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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: GoldenWarrior11 on June 01, 2016, 02:06:01 PM
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http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/marq-m-baskbl-mtt.html (http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/marq-m-baskbl-mtt.html)
Additions:
Sam Hauser #10
Markus Howard #0
Katin Reinhardt #22
Anim (G/F) and Cohen (F) are only forwards listed, and Fisher and Heldt are only centers. Every other player is listed as a guard.
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http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/marq-m-baskbl-mtt.html (http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/marq-m-baskbl-mtt.html)
Additions:
Sam Hauser #10
Markus Howard #0
Katin Reinhardt #22
Anim (G/F) and Cohen (F) are only forwards listed, and Fisher and Heldt are only centers. Every other player is listed as a guard.
2 centers, 1 forward (a freshman), 1 guard/forward (an almost never used sophomore) and 8 guards. I know some insist it's a "guard's game" but this seems to be overdoing it a smidge.
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Who was the last person to wear #10 for MU? It's had to have been awhile, I don't remember there being a 10 through my years there (2011-2015)
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Who was the last person to wear #10 for MU? It's had to have been awhile, I don't remember there being a 10 through my years there (2011-2015)
Juan Anderson
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Who was the last person to wear #10 for MU? It's had to have been awhile, I don't remember there being a 10 through my years there (2011-2015)
Juan Anderson, like a year ago.
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Juan Anderson, like a year ago.
Jesus, that's embarrassing.
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Who was the last person to wear #10 for MU? It's had to have been awhile, I don't remember there being a 10 through my years there (2011-2015)
Lotta partying in college for you, a''ina?
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Lotta partying in college for you, a''ina?
The worst part is, I graduated with Juan. It's not like we only overlapped by a year.
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David Cubillan wore it right before Juan.
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So do we get to refer to Markus as H0ward?
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I seem to remember Cordell Henry sported the number for at least part of his career
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Robert Hall back in the day wore #10
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The muscoop wiki says Diener wore 10 for a season. I don't remember this.
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The wiki is your friend. (Side note: Somebody needs to pay some attention to this friendship if it still lists Juan as present.)
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Richard Collentine 1941 - 1943
Carl Weisner 1944 - 1945
Barry Brennan 1973 - 1976
Tony Davis 1977 - 1981
Robert Hall 1983 - 1985
Kevin Johnson 1985 - 1987
Keith Stewart 1990 - 1991
Tony Miller 1992 - 1995
Marcus West 1996 - 1998
Cordell Henry 1999 - 2000
Travis Diener 2001 - 2002
Karon Bradley 2002 - 2004
John Willkom 2004 - 2005
David Cubillan 2006 - 2010
Juan Anderson 2011 - Present
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Robert Hall back in the day wore #10
Isn't that where America goes to shop for shoes?
:o
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So do we get to refer to Markus as H0ward?
I'd rather refer to him as H20ward after several games!
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The muscoop wiki says Diener wore 10 for a season. I don't remember this.
Freshman year he was #10 as senior Jon Harris wore #34.
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So do we get to refer to Markus as H0ward?
No.
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Wish the heights were listed on the roster.
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Wish the heights were listed on the roster.
C = Tall
F = Kinda tall
G/F = Kinda short
G = Short
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Only 5 guys over 200lbs seems ridiculous
2016-17 Roster
Coaches
No. Name Ht./Wt. Pos. Year Hometown (High School)
2 Sacar AnimClick here to hear it 6-5/205 G/F SO Minneapolis, Minn. (DeLaSalle HS)
21 Traci Carter 6-0/175 G SO Philadelphia, Pa. (Life Center Academy)
25 Haanif CheathamClick here to hear it 6-5/190 G SO Fort Lauderdale, Fla. (Pembroke Pines HS)
5 Sandy Cohen, III 6-6/200 F JR Seymour, Wis. (Seymour HS)
40 Luke Fischer 6-11/245 C SR Germantown, Wis. (Germantown HS)
10 Sam Hauser 6-6/210 G FR Stevens Point, Wis. (Stevens Point Area HS)
12 Matt Heldt 6-10/250 C SO Neenah, Wis. (Neenah HS)
0 Markus Howard 5-11/185 G FR Chandler, Ariz. (Findlay Prep)
23 Jajuan JohnsonClick here to hear it 6-5/195 G SR Memphis, Tenn. (Southwind HS)
52 Cam Marotta 5-10/165 G SO Mequon, Wis. (Homestead HS)
22 Katin Reinhardt 6-6/220 G GS Dana Point, Calif. (Mater Dei HS)
30 Andrew Rowsey 5-10/180 G RS JR Lexington, Va. (Rockbridge HS)
1 Duane Wilson 6-2/185 G RS JR Milwaukee, Wis. (Dominican HS)
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I have become increasingly bullish on Hauser. I think by the end of the year he is going to be helping the cause out.
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You have said this several times.
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The muscoop wiki says Diener wore 10 for a season. I don't remember this.
Wasn't it something like .. Diener's cousin died, and so he switched to 34 to honor him or something ..?
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Wasn't it something like .. Diener's cousin died, and so he switched to 34 to honor him or something ..?
Yep.
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The wiki is your friend. (Side note: Somebody needs to pay some attention to this friendship if it still lists Juan as present.)
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Richard Collentine 1941 - 1943
Carl Weisner 1944 - 1945
Barry Brennan 1973 - 1976
Tony Davis 1977 - 1981
Robert Hall 1983 - 1985
Kevin Johnson 1985 - 1987
Keith Stewart 1990 - 1991
Tony Miller 1992 - 1995
Marcus West 1996 - 1998
Cordell Henry 1999 - 2000
Travis Diener 2001 - 2002
Karon Bradley 2002 - 2004
John Willkom 2004 - 2005
David Cubillan 2006 - 2010
Juan Anderson 2011 - Present
Who the F is John Willkom? Did I pass out during the entire 2004-2005 season that I've never heard of this person?
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The wiki is your friend. (Side note: Somebody needs to pay some attention to this friendship if it still lists Juan as present.)
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Richard Collentine 1941 - 1943
Carl Weisner 1944 - 1945
Barry Brennan 1973 - 1976
Tony Davis 1977 - 1981
Robert Hall 1983 - 1985
Kevin Johnson 1985 - 1987
Keith Stewart 1990 - 1991
Tony Miller 1992 - 1995
Marcus West 1996 - 1998
Cordell Henry 1999 - 2000
Travis Diener 2001 - 2002
Karon Bradley 2002 - 2004
John Willkom 2004 - 2005
David Cubillan 2006 - 2010
Juan Anderson 2011 - Present
A few studs with that number 10. Tony miller, cordell, and travis.
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Who the F is John Willkom? Did I pass out during the entire 2004-2005 season that I've never heard of this person?
A walk on...
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Who the F is John Willkom? Did I pass out during the entire 2004-2005 season that I've never heard of this person?
That was my junior year so entirely possible as I had never heard of him either.
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I have a Michael Wilson jersey from 1981-82 that's #10. He was a stud guard too. I think Wilson wore #23 his first coupla years until Tony Davis left and then he took #10.
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John Willkom was listed as a PG in 2005. From my city of Marshfield, Wis. Never played.
Believe he went to Crookston and ended up at Marquette.
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I'd rather refer to him as H20ward after several games!
What a jerk, you think Howard's going to be the water boy?! Just because he's young doesn't mean the kid has to fill everyone's water cup for them!
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Reinhardt would only transfer to MU if he got #22. That's why Wally got cut. Wake up sheeple
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Missing out on a forward is going to smart.
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Small ball, here we come.
BTW, the Blue and Gold Auction shows an Otule jersey is ending in about 35 minutes.
Currently: $35 + $20 s/h
Very decent for a player worn jersey.
You may have to hem it or use it like a Snuggie.
http://gomarquette.cstvauctions.com/auctiondisplay.cfm?auctionnbr=101164
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BUT WHERE IS SACAR!?
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I have a Michael Wilson jersey from 1981-82 that's #10. He was a stud guard too. I think Wilson wore #23 his first coupla years until Tony Davis left and then he took #10.
That's the first #10 I thought of after Juan, since JA just wore it. Who could forget him wearing #10?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FcuEIuTagg0
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I have a Michael Wilson jersey from 1981-82 that's #10. He was a stud guard too. I think Wilson wore #23 his first coupla years until Tony Davis left and then he took #10.
Definitely a stud.
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fjm--he is listed at the top of the roster is NO. 2. Found out Sacar is a touchy subject.
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What a jerk, you think Howard's going to be the water boy?! Just because he's young doesn't mean the kid has to fill everyone's water cup for them!
The more I think of it, when he's averaging 20 as a sophomore, H20 would be a great nickname for him!
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This video is worth watching. Sort of a condensed game tape.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_OlGTKDqis
Hauser is 10, His brother 24
Theo John is number 3
Hauser has a diverse set of skills and very good IQ. Add in some quality time in the strength and conditioning program and he is going to be a contributor.
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The more I think of it, when he's averaging 20 as a sophomore, H20 would be a great nickname for him!
Splash.
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I seem to remember Cordell Henry sported the number for at least part of his career
The legend
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John Willkom was listed as a PG in 2005. From my city of Marshfield, Wis. Never played.
Believe he went to Crookston and ended up at Marquette.
And older brother of a Spanish O'Donnell.
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Isn't that where America goes to shop for shoes?
:o
(http://blog.chron.com/bayoucityhistory/files/2012/07/RobertHall3.jpg)
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And older brother of a Spanish O'Donnell.
He'd freely admit that?
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This video is worth watching. Sort of a condensed game tape.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_OlGTKDqis
Hauser is 10, His brother 24
Theo John is number 3
Hauser has a diverse set of skills and very good IQ. Add in some quality time in the strength and conditioning program and he is going to be a contributor.
Admittedly it may be the way he looks, but Sam reminds me quite a bit of Kellen Dunham.
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This video is worth watching. Sort of a condensed game tape.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_OlGTKDqis
Hauser is 10, His brother 24
Theo John is number 3
Hauser has a diverse set of skills and very good IQ. Add in some quality time in the strength and conditioning program and he is going to be a contributor.
Thanks for this.
Me likey!
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(http://blog.chron.com/bayoucityhistory/files/2012/07/RobertHall3.jpg)
The values go up, up, up and the prices go down, down, down, ai na?
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This video is worth watching. Sort of a condensed game tape.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_OlGTKDqis
Hauser is 10, His brother 24
Theo John is number 3
Hauser has a diverse set of skills and very good IQ. Add in some quality time in the strength and conditioning program and he is going to be a contributor.
In addition, #25 for Champlain Park is McKinley Wright, another MU target.
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The game has changed so much, it is a guards game on steroids now....or at least a game where if you have very good shooters (G's and F's) where the math has fundamentally altered the game. No need for quality centers any longer with the 3 point line, if you can shoot the ball well.
Unless the NCAA is going to move the 3 point line back another few feet, this is the way to go.
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The game has changed so much, it is a guards game on steroids now....or at least a game where if you have very good shooters (G's and F's) where the math has fundamentally altered the game. No need for quality centers any longer with the 3 point line, if you can shoot the ball well.
Unless the NCAA is going to move the 3 point line back another few feet, this is the way to go.
6-9 and up players who can rebound and defend will always be in favor no matter what era. I guarantee if another Maurice Lucas showed up on our doorstep we would take him.
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6-9 and up players who can rebound and defend will always be in favor no matter what era. I guarantee if another Maurice Lucas showed up on our doorstep we would take him.
Would we take him, sure....but the math has changed.
If you take 20 three pointers and make 8 of them....40%....you score 24 points.
You would have to make 12 of 20 on two point shots to do the same....60% FG %.
The three pointer has so radically changed the game of basketball that you don't need the bigs you used to need to win. No way am I saying you can't win traditionally, of course you can. However, the ways to win with good shooting have changed the dynamic in a revolutionary way. All comes down to how well you can shoot the 3, of course. If you can't, then the success rate goes out the door.
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One of the most enjoyable teams of recent era had Lazar starting at center. Won a lot of games. Made the tournament. Now you aren't going to win a championship like that, but you CAN win games being small. And we still have Luke and Matt so we aren't exactly dinky.
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http://espn.go.com/ncb/feature/video/_/id/7173790/25th-anniversary-3-point-line
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One of the most enjoyable teams of recent era had Lazar starting at center. Won a lot of games. Made the tournament. Now you aren't going to win a championship like that, but you CAN win games being small. And we still have Luke and Matt so we aren't exactly dinky.
I guess it depends on what your goal is. If you are satisfied with Sweet 16's and the occasional elite 8, you can be successful playing small ball. However, if your goal is to be a final four team you need a high level bigman.
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I guess it deoends on what your goal is. If you are satisifed with Sweet 16's and the ocassional elite 8, you can be successful playing small ball. However, if your goal is to be a final four team you need a high level bigman.
I'm satisfied with Sweet 16s and the occasional Elite 8. I'm fairly certain that Marquette will never win a national championship in my lifetime and another Final Four would make me as thrilled as I was in 2003.
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I'm satisfied with Sweet 16s and the occasional Elite 8. I'm fairly certain that Marquette will never win a national championship in my lifetime and another Final Four would make me as thrilled as I was in 2003.
Don't be a settler and satisfied with less.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iunxIzxpWjs
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Eh. If you are only happy with sports when your team wins a championship, you are going to be unhappy a lot. Sports isn't life. It's a fun diversion.
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I guess it deoends on what your goal is. If you are satisifed with Sweet 16's and the ocassional elite 8, you can be successful playing small ball. However, if your goal is to be a final four team you need a high level bigman.
There aren't that many that are out there. They just don't exist for a school like MU to get them. Henry was a "big" by size, but he doesn't play like a big. The basketball world has changed, and even bigs are playing on the perimeter more and more the last decade plus because they have grown up in a world where the 3 point line has always existed. For the old timers, that's a big change that not everyone has gotten their heads around yet, or willing to accept. The game has fundamentally changed, plus there just isn't that type of talent available like it used to be because the talent is different....the back to basket big men are in very short supply because of the fundamental changes the game has brought.
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One of the most enjoyable teams of recent era had Lazar starting at center. Won a lot of games. Made the tournament. Now you aren't going to win a championship like that, but you CAN win games being small. And we still have Luke and Matt so we aren't exactly dinky.
Worked out well that season, though the lack of size was still a limiting factor.
That team, though, was not that small going into the season with the following:
Yous Mbao 7'2"
Chris Otule 6'11"
Jeronne Maymon 6'7" ( and 250 lb )
Jimmy Butler 6'7"
Joe Fulce 6'7"
Erik Williams 6'7"
Lazar Hayward 6'6"
But, Otule was hurt and Mbao was not ready and Maymon transferred and Fulce was hurting. So this was not that small a team as originally constructed and intended. Things worked decently in the end however.
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Villanova doing it last year gives me actual hope. I am truly hoping for one Marquette title in my lifetime, especially as the last one came when I was barely a month old. Those memories are a bit fuzzy.
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Any y'all know watt your lifetime is? Lets start a poll, hey?
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Any y'all know watt your lifetime is? Lets start a poll, hey?
Ok, Henry. What's yours.
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Only 5 guys over 200lbs seems ridiculous
2016-17 Roster
Coaches
No. Name Ht./Wt. Pos. Year Hometown (High School)
2 Sacar AnimClick here to hear it 6-5/205 G/F SO Minneapolis, Minn. (DeLaSalle HS)
21 Traci Carter 6-0/175 G SO Philadelphia, Pa. (Life Center Academy)
25 Haanif CheathamClick here to hear it 6-5/190 G SO Fort Lauderdale, Fla. (Pembroke Pines HS)
5 Sandy Cohen, III 6-6/200 F JR Seymour, Wis. (Seymour HS)
40 Luke Fischer 6-11/245 C SR Germantown, Wis. (Germantown HS)
10 Sam Hauser 6-6/210 G FR Stevens Point, Wis. (Stevens Point Area HS)
12 Matt Heldt 6-10/250 C SO Neenah, Wis. (Neenah HS)
0 Markus Howard 5-11/185 G FR Chandler, Ariz. (Findlay Prep)
23 Jajuan JohnsonClick here to hear it 6-5/195 G SR Memphis, Tenn. (Southwind HS)
52 Cam Marotta 5-10/165 G SO Mequon, Wis. (Homestead HS)
22 Katin Reinhardt 6-6/220 G GS Dana Point, Calif. (Mater Dei HS)
30 Andrew Rowsey 5-10/180 G RS JR Lexington, Va. (Rockbridge HS)
1 Duane Wilson 6-2/185 G RS JR Milwaukee, Wis. (Dominican HS)
i hope these heights are without their slippers heyn'er? where's the beef? put a couple of these guys together and they might approach the size of one of davante's thighs heyn'er #2 'ey?
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Would we take him, sure....but the math has changed.
If you take 20 three pointers and make 8 of them....40%....you score 24 points.
You would have to make 12 of 20 on two point shots to do the same....60% FG %.
The three pointer has so radically changed the game of basketball that you don't need the bigs you used to need to win. No way am I saying you can't win traditionally, of course you can. However, the ways to win with good shooting have changed the dynamic in a revolutionary way. All comes down to how well you can shoot the 3, of course. If you can't, then the success rate goes out the door.
and...where do many of the missed shots go? boing!! out to about the free throw line or better. also, they teach them to tap the ball back out as opposed to trying to grab and haul it in. which player is typically situated outside?
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I guess it depends on what your goal is. If you are satisfied with Sweet 16's and the occasional elite 8, you can be successful playing small ball. However, if your goal is to be a final four team you need a high level bigman.
villanova has done very well without a good center over the years. as a matter of fact, their 2015-16 roster doesn't even list a center and their tallest guy was 6'11'' forward. then check this out...we are monstrous compared to the team that just won it all!! all you need is chances man
http://www.villanova.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/nova-m-baskbl-mtt.html
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I really don't think our weights are ridiculous. Look at the "grown men" that play for the best team in the world. (At any level!) When looking at their top players, their heights and weights are not eye-popping when comparing them to guys on our roster.
Stephen Curry 6-3 190 ( Duane Wilson 6-2/185)
Draymond Green 6-7 230 (Katin Reinhardt 6-6/220)
Andre Iguodala 6-6 215 (Sacar Anim 6-5/205)
Shaun Livingston 6-7 192 (Sam Hauser 6-6/210)
Marreese Speights 6-10 255 (Matt Heldt 6-10/250)
Klay Thompson 6-7 215 (Jajuan Johnson 6-5/195)
Leandro Barbosa 6-3 194 (Haanif Cheatham 6-5/190)
Harrison Barnes 6-8 225 (Sandy Cohen, III 6-6/200)
Andrew Bogut 7-0 260 (Luke Fischer 6-11/245)
Granted, Howard, Carter, and Rowsey are much smaller in size than anyone of the Warriors team, but the others matchup closely.
Just wanted to provide a different perspective. Now, if we could only shoot it like Golden State. :)
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hoops I'm glad you brought this up. GSW is a great example of how a team can win by being undersized. Of course the way you do that is shooting well, which Marquette hasn't been great at recently, but Wojo seems to be emphasizing this more than Buzz did.
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hoops I'm glad you brought this up. GSW is a great example of how a team can win by being undersized. Of course the way you do that is shooting well, which Marquette hasn't been great at recently, but Wojo seems to be emphasizing this more than Buzz did.
I like that Wojo brought in Hauser and Howard. Those kids have smooth strokes.
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hoops I'm glad you brought this up. GSW is a great example of how a team can win by being undersized. Of course the way you do that is shooting well, which Marquette hasn't been great at recently, but Wojo seems to be emphasizing this more than Buzz did.
love their offense! lots of ball movement, screens, cutters down the middle, outside opens the inside and vice versa. maybe wojo did some film watching over the off season? even if we weren't a total success this year, it will raise some eyebrows. kids love to play this style and people love to watch it. you want to see season ticket sales go up? this style of play was the talk of the country. remember loyola marymount?
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2015/03/05/loyola-marymount-hank-gathers-death-25-years-bo-kimble-paul-westhead/24447175/
check out how tiny grinnell college and what is known as the grinnell system changed their program. because they are a div III program and can't offer scholarships, not much is heard of it. it was popularized by guess who? paul westhead
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grinnell_System
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hoops I'm glad you brought this up. GSW is a great example of how a team can win by being undersized. Of course the way you do that is shooting well, which Marquette hasn't been great at recently, but Wojo seems to be emphasizing this more than Buzz did.
+50
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The 3-pointer is an equalizer for weaker teams. It can enable you to win games where you're the lesser team.
Still, many good teams do not rely heavily on the trey. (Think of 1-seeds UNC and Virginia as examples this past March.)
On AVERAGE, the 3-point shot is far more effective than the 2-point shot in terms of eFG%. That's true every year in college bball.
However, the 3-point shot is far more volatile. If you DEPEND too heavily on it, you will lose games you shouldn't.. and win some you shouldn't.
It's stylistic.
I don't believe it's defining of the game overall.
Many truly great team would prefer not to rely heavily on 3-pointers. Too much volatility.
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The 3-pointer is an equalizer for weaker teams. It can enable you to win games where you're the lesser team.
Still, many good teams do not rely heavily on the trey. (Think of 1-seeds UNC and Virginia as examples this past March.)
On AVERAGE, the 3-point shot is far more effective than the 2-point shot in terms of eFG%. That's true every year in college bball.
However, the 3-point shot is far more volatile. If you DEPEND too heavily on it, you will lose games you shouldn't.. and win some you shouldn't.
It's stylistic.
I don't believe it's defining of the game overall.
Many truly great team would prefer not to rely heavily on 3-pointers. Too much volatility.
Case in point when Villanova played Oklahoma last season early they shot something like 4 for 32 from 3 and lost big. When they played in the tournament, they shot much better and got the win.
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hoops I'm glad you brought this up. GSW is a great example of how a team can win by being undersized. Of course the way you do that is shooting well, which Marquette hasn't been great at recently, but Wojo seems to be emphasizing this more than Buzz did.
How undersized is GSW.
7'0" Bogut
6'8" Barnes
6'7" Green
6'7" Thompson
6'3" Curry
For reference; Cleveland
6'10" Love
6'9" Tristan Thompson
6'8" James
6'6" JR Smith
6'3" Kyrie Irving
Spurs (Big team)
6'11" Duncan
6'11" Aldridge
6'7" Leonard
6'6" Green/Ginobli
6'2" Parker
The GSW power forward (Green) is small height wise for the position, but plays far far bigger than his size. Overall though GSW is pretty average size in the NBA (as long as Bogut is on the floor).
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How undersized is GSW.
7'0" Bogut
6'8" Barnes
6'7" Green
6'7" Thompson
6'3" Curry
For reference; Cleveland
6'10" Love
6'9" Tristan Thompson
6'8" James
6'6" JR Smith
6'3" Kyrie Irving
The GSW power forward (Green) is small height wise for the position, but plays far far bigger than his size. Overall though GSW is pretty average size in the NBA (as long as Bogut is on the floor).
Aren't you skewing that a bit?
The guys that play the most...Bogut starts, but he gets the fewest minutes of a starter to the point that he is 7th in overall minutes on the team
Curry 6'3 G
Thompson 6'7 G
Barnes 6'8 F
Iguodola 6'6 F
Green 6'7 F
Livingston is 6'7 G 6th in minutes
Barborosa 6'3" G 8th in minutes
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The 3-pointer is an equalizer for weaker teams. It can enable you to win games where you're the lesser team.
Still, many good teams do not rely heavily on the trey. (Think of 1-seeds UNC and Virginia as examples this past March.)
On AVERAGE, the 3-point shot is far more effective than the 2-point shot in terms of eFG%. That's true every year in college bball.
However, the 3-point shot is far more volatile. If you DEPEND too heavily on it, you will lose games you shouldn't.. and win some you shouldn't.
It's stylistic.
I don't believe it's defining of the game overall.
Many truly great team would prefer not to rely heavily on 3-pointers. Too much volatility.
you are correct jay bee-traditionally speaking. but as we are seeing more and more of a faster, quicker game, the 3 pointer becomes the weapon that the 7 foot "aircraft carrier" did starting back in al's day. note the evolution toward the bigs and playing outside-dirk n. et.al. if the kids start realizing the 3 point shot is money, they will become more proficient-note klay and steph. now, bring in the grinnell/westhead system and make it work, it will be a win-win. the fans will love it and the players will knock down grandma to play it. also note that the grinnel/westhead system uses more players because of the fast pace, it's like changing hockey lines without losing a beat. that means you need at least 10-12 GOOD fast shooters. if a kid is good and knows he's going to get minutes, where's he gonna go? in the article i posted re:lsu-loyola marymount overtime 140's game, one of the lsu guards purposely threw the ball out of bounds so he could catch his breath a little.
if wojo is thinking about bringing in some aspect of this, hold on to your ya-ya's gentlemen/women
obviously, in order for this to work, the team HAS to shoot 40% or better from the 3 point line. otherwise, yes, it will be a real stink bomb. how many times have you seen an upset where the underdog shot lights out from the 3? what did you hear? well if so and so hadn't been unconscious from the 3....well you might start seeing more and more of that
next, i'm sure we will hear more about moving the 3 point line out further-well, start practicing. note where klay and steph are unloading from even now? they can't move it back to the half court mark, can they? i don't think they want to ruin want the fans want. it used to be thunder dunks. today-the 3 point bomb and lots of scoring
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I guess it depends on what your goal is. If you are satisfied with Sweet 16's and the occasional elite 8, you can be successful playing small ball. However, if your goal is to be a final four team you need a high level bigman.
I don't think Wojo set out to build a small team. But he does understand that you MUST have good guard play and you MUST be able to shoot outside shots. So he was going to hedge his bets in that area and have extra players there so that IF someone didn't work out or got hurt there would be another player who could deliver the same skill set. Then when he missed on Young and others "well at least it is still possible to be competitive". And right now the goal is to get back in the tourney consistently. Once we've re-established that for a few years then we can plan to build a team that can win the BE and make noise in the tourney.
I've seen what happens when a team has skilled bigs but the guards aren't up to the high major level. I'm ready to go with it the other way around and see what happens
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you are correct jay bee-traditionally speaking. but as we are seeing more and more of a faster, quicker game, the 3 pointer becomes the weapon that the 7 foot "aircraft carrier" did starting back in al's day.
obviously, in order for this to work, the team HAS to shoot 40% or better from the 3 point line. otherwise, yes, it will be a real stink bomb.
Well sure... back in Al's day the 3-pointer wasn't a weapon because it didn't exist.
There were 10 teams (including 15-17 Wofford) who shot 40% or better on their 3FGA's last season. Less than 3% of DI schools. And that was the first time there were double-digit 40% teams since 2009-10, but it's generally been in that 6 to 9 team range for several years.
Can it move up a bit if the line stays at 20'9"? Unlike free throws, I think so.. but to implement a strategy where you MUST shoot 3-pointers better than 97% of college bball? Tough...
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Perhaps there is a big downside to relying on three point shots that nobody is considering. That is that a three point shooting team may not draw a lot of fouls. That is important for two reasons. The obvious one is that you shoot less free throws. However, maybe the more important factor is that you are not putting the opposing team in foul trouble.
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Perhaps there is a big downside to relying on three point shots that nobody is considering. That is that a three point shooting team may not draw a lot of fouls. That is important for two reasons. The obvious one is that you shoot less free throws. However, maybe the more important factor is that you are not putting the opposing team in foul trouble.
free throws no matta
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Aren't you skewing that a bit?
The guys that play the most...Bogut starts, but he gets the fewest minutes of a starter to the point that he is 7th in overall minutes on the team
Curry 6'3 G
Thompson 6'7 G
Barnes 6'8 F
Iguodola 6'6 F
Green 6'7 F
Livingston is 6'7 G 6th in minutes
Barborosa 6'3" G 8th in minutes
No, I'm not. They have the size and can use it if necessary. The thing is, when they take Bogut out and put Iguodola in, the other team can either try to exploit the mismatch (with their big) or concede defeat and match the small ball.
If Iguodola is a better overall player and GSW can compensate for the lack of size, by rotating on defense; they win. If not, they put Bogut back in and they win.
They have plenty of size.
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free throws no matta
However, fouls on the other teams players do.
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However, fouls on the other teams players do.
the 3 is contested more and more, especially if you are making them. they teach the players to exaggerate any contact, like floppin after a 3. fouls will be called, but ya gotta be hitting otherwise they will sag(the defense, that is :D)
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No, I'm not. They have the size and can use it if necessary. The thing is, when they take Bogut out and put Iguodola in, the other team can either try to exploit the mismatch (with their big) or concede defeat and match the small ball.
If Iguodola is a better overall player and GSW can compensate for the lack of size, by rotating on defense; they win. If not, they put Bogut back in and they win.
They have plenty of size.
Who is playing the minutes? What are the sizes of those playing the minutes? Just because you have size on a roster, if they are playing less minutes says a lot.
An interesting calculation metric would be size per minutes played. What is the average size per avg minute played by GSW vs other teams?
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Who is playing the minutes? What are the sizes of those playing the minutes? Just because you have size on a roster, if they are playing less minutes says a lot.
An interesting calculation metric would be size per minutes played. What is the average size per avg minute played by GSW vs other teams?
You are being ignorant and arguing for the sake of arguing. At Center:
Bogut, Speights, and Ezeli played 48 minutes a game combined during the season. They are:
7'0" 260 lbs; 6'10" 255 lbs; 6'11" 265 lbs
And it is the GSW bigs that are dominating the Cavaliers.
Plenty of size. With this I'm done.
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You are being ignorant and arguing for the sake of arguing. At Center:
Bogut, Speights, and Ezeli played 48 minutes a game combined during the season. They are:
7'0" 260 lbs; 6'10" 255 lbs; 6'11" 265 lbs
And it is the GSW bigs that are dominating the Cavaliers.
Plenty of size. With this I'm done.
But what denominators are you using?
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However, fouls on the other teams players do.
Nope. If you believe "we will try to draw fouls on their good players" is a great strategy, you're simply wrong.
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Nope. If you believe "we will try to draw fouls on their good players" is a great strategy, you're simply wrong.
Both Wojo and Buzz believed it was important to take the ball inside and get to the line. They both believe a key metric is to make more free throws than the other team shoots. Under Wojo Wilson set the record for free throws made in a season by a freshmen. One year later Wilson is now third in free throws made by a freshmen as both Henry and Haanif made more free throws than Wilson did before. We have all seen MU effected by Fischer's foul problems. The same problem limited Carter's playing time last year. Trying to draw fouls in general is not the same as trying to draw fouls on good players. However, if a player like Fischer picks up three dumb fouls the other team is going to take the ball to him. Maybe not so much to draw fouls as it is that he cannot play as tough of defense as when he is not in foul trouble.
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Both Wojo and Buzz believed it was important to take the ball inside and get to the line. They both believe a key metric is to make more free throws than the other team shoots. Under Wojo Wilson set the record for free throws made in a season by a freshmen. One year later Wilson is now third in free throws made by a freshmen as both Henry and Haanif made more free throws than Wilson did before.
Wow! The team must have done incredibly well then!
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Wow! The team must have done incredibly well then!
I did expect someone to point that out. However, it does reflect two things. How, Wojo wants to play the game and the fact Wojo is recruiting players that can actually make free throws. Rowsey is a 90% free throw shooter and I believe Reinhardt is also a very good free throw shooter. I do not think we should expect Wojo to greatly change his m.o. and have a team that relies on chucking up threes. It will be interesting to see what he does with this team.
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I did expect someone to point that out. However, it does reflect two things. How, Wojo wants to play the game and the fact Wojo is recruiting players that can actually make free throws. Rowsey is a 90% free throw shooter and I believe Reinhardt is also a very good free throw shooter. I do not think we should expect Wojo to greatly change his m.o. and have a team that relies on chucking up threes. It will be interesting to see what he does with this team.
83.5% for his collegiate career.
However, he has four more made FTs in college than Henry Ellenson does.
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Perhaps there is a big downside to relying on three point shots that nobody is considering. That is that a three point shooting team may not draw a lot of fouls. That is important for two reasons. The obvious one is that you shoot less free throws. However, maybe the more important factor is that you are not putting the opposing team in foul trouble.
Playing with 4 guards doesn't mean you are shooting 3s all the time. The 3 point threat spreads the floor opening up driving lanes. If your guards are players like Haanif, DW, JJJ etc (which is the type of players Wojo is bringing in) and not like Jake Thomas the spread floor with one less big 4 on the base line is ideal for driving and hence drawing fouls. What you're giving up is the inside high, low passing and low post game which of course also creates foul opportunities But I'd venture that if you have guards that can drive and finish you'll draw your share of fouls. These are the type of teams Buzz relied on until he got Gardner and we did just fine.
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I did expect someone to point that out. However, it does reflect two things. How, Wojo wants to play the game and the fact Wojo is recruiting players that can actually make free throws. Rowsey is a 90% free throw shooter and I believe Reinhardt is also a very good free throw shooter. I do not think we should expect Wojo to greatly change his m.o. and have a team that relies on chucking up threes. It will be interesting to see what he does with this team.
I think Wojo is recruiting players that shoot better in general. I don't think he is specifically targeting good free throw shooters.
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I think Wojo is recruiting players that shoot better in general. I don't think he is specifically targeting good free throw shooters.
Gone are the days where we are sitting in the stands worried that the other team is going to foul a player that cannot make more than 50% of his free throws.
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I did expect someone to point that out. However, it does reflect two things. How, Wojo wants to play the game and the fact Wojo is recruiting players that can actually make free throws. Rowsey is a 90% free throw shooter and I believe Reinhardt is also a very good free throw shooter. I do not think we should expect Wojo to greatly change his m.o. and have a team that relies on chucking up threes. It will be interesting to see what he does with this team.
Wat? You really think Wojo is focused on how well guys shoot free throws?
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Wat? You really think Wojo is focused on how well guys shoot free throws?
I do not know, but he seems to be more focus on skills vs. Buzz being more focus on athleticism.
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Gone are the days where we are sitting in the stands worried that the other team is going to foul a player 35 mpg point guard that cannot make more than 50% of his free throws.
FIFY
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You are being ignorant and arguing for the sake of arguing. At Center:
Bogut, Speights, and Ezeli played 48 minutes a game combined during the season. They are:
7'0" 260 lbs; 6'10" 255 lbs; 6'11" 265 lbs
And it is the GSW bigs that are dominating the Cavaliers.
Plenty of size. With this I'm done.
You're skewing your numbers as well, however. All three missed a moderately significant number of games.
Bogut: 1,449 minutes in 70 games
Speights: 835 minutes in 72 games
Ezeli: 768 minutes in 46 games
So over the course of the season, they averaged 37.2 minutes per game, not 48. They have bigs and play them, but there are significant stretches of games where they have no true big men out there. In the playoffs it's even less time.
Bogut: 336 minutes in 19 games
Speights: 175 minutes in 19 games
Ezeli: 164 minutes in 18 games
Not a huge difference, but averaging 35.5 minutes per game in 19 games, so since the playoffs started Golden State has relied even less on their bigs. You are correct in saying they do play big men, but your assertion that they have a big on the floor 48 minutes per game is a significantly inaccurate overstatement.