Viking v Packer game thread

[Blackhat]

I guess you're allowed to jam receivers 10 yards downfield again.

[forgetful]

AP, Ruptured achilles????  Looked weird, not so much ankle as ankle and running into calf.  Hope not.

[DegenerateDish]

Vikes offense will be better without AP. No, I'm not joking.

[forgetful]

GB's best play is to throw into coverage and take a PI.

[DegenerateDish]

Same problem as second half of last year, Pack receivers getting no separation at all. In a way, you can draw more DPI calls as an unintended consequence, but long term, it's not a winning formula.

[forgetful]

Vikes offense will be better without AP. No, I'm not joking.

Well its a knee injury and with them needing to carry him off, that's not a good sign.  I guess better than an achilles injury, but not good. 

The only good possible side.  They said they were looking at the outside lower part of the knee.  If that is indeed where the injury is, it would be an MCL injury, which has a shorter recovery timeline.

[DegenerateDish]

Rodgers is so good, he's kept the Pack in this game.

[wadesworld]

Maybe the Packers can leave Randall 1 on 1 with Diggs some more.

You don't want to give up 15 yards, but good for Tretter. That was bush.

[GGGG]

Hey old guy on the park bench. Peyton did work as long as he could...

[real chili 83]

Oops

[wadesworld]

Could really use that field goal we chose to run Starks (not Lacy) into the middle of the line on 4th and 1.

[real chili 83]

Ugly game.

[forgetful]

Ugly game.

Games in general have been uglier this year.  I think people resting starters during pre-season is showing.

[real chili 83]

Oops

[naginiF]

Skol!

[Jay Bee]

Skol Vikings!! The Consensus is ready-2-repeat. What a gr8 Bradford trade!! Super Bowl, homeboy!!

[MU82]

Bradford outplayed Rodgers, and by quite a bit.

On the game-clinching interception by Waynes, Rodgers threw the ball to the inside instead of to the outside, where Adams could have caught it. Plus multiple fumbles, including a very costly one late. Plus several other poorly thrown passes.

I'm not saying Bradford is better than Rodgers, or that Rodgers is bad. I'm just saying that Rodgers wasn't great in this game, and when the Packers really needed him to come through as he so often has done, he instead did his best Cutler imitation.

Meanwhile, I was quite impressed with Bradford's composure and his ability to throw accurately even as he was about to take some pretty big hits.

My Panthers get the Vikings next. It will be interesting to see how my lads attack him.

[mu_hilltopper]

As a Minnesotan, I'm always pleased with a win over GB.  The team will likely make the playoffs, but let's not fool ourselves. 

This year will be the 29th post-season appearance for the Vikings that ends in a big, fat L.

Same movie, different year. 

[GGGG]

Rodgers wasn't good.  But the lack of development of any receivers since Cobb was drafted, and I would call him "above average" at best, is most concerning.  Adams is blah.  Montgomery is nowhere.  And who else?

[wadesworld]

Rodgers was bad.  The WRs are bad.  But how are we still trying to run the same offense we ran with a healthy Jordy and a healthy Jermichael like 5 years ago?  Does anyone really think Julian Edelman, Danny Amendola, and Aaron Dobson are some world beating wide receivers?  And Jimmy Garoppolo some Tom Brady 2.0?  Heck no.  But they still go on the road and beat AZ and then win a close one with their 3rd string QB in there.  Why?  Because Bellichick realizes, hey, if a defense is going to just sit 10 yards off the line cool.  I'll let Brady take the snap and hit one of the two tiny receivers we have and if they make a guy miss then we get some extra yards, but if not I'll just chip away 7 yards at a time all the way down the field.  And then when the defense moves up I'll take my shot down the seam with Gronk.

Meanwhile the Pack will continue to run stretch plays that take 8 seconds to develop in the backfield for -1 on 1st and 1st down, a play action bomb on 2nd down to a 75% healthy Jordy or a no-hands Davante, and then a little out route on 3rd down to the chains that the DB just sits on.  Every single drive of every game.

[GGGG]

I don't think there is a problem with the scheme and design of the offense.  I mean this offense was setting records just a couple seasons ago.  I think the problem is with the personnel, especially at the receiver and running back positions. 

I'm sorry but James Starks is 30 years old.  You can't find a better back up running back? 

[GGGG]

I'll put this another way.  Randall Cobb was drafted in 2011.

In the five drafts since, the Packers have drafted ONE impact player on offense.  Eddie Lacy.  (And even he unexpectedly fell to them.)  No one else has made a significant impact. 

Here is a list of the receivers and backs drafted from 2011 onward:

2011:
1. Cobb (Good)
3. Alex Green - RB (Bust)
5. DJ Williams - TE (Bust)
7. Ryan Taylor - TE (Serviceable)

2012:
No one. 

2013:
2. Eddie Lacy (Good)
4. Johnathan Franklin (Bust)
7. Charles Johnson (Bad)
7. Keven Dorsey (Bad)

2014:
2. Davante Adams (Average)
3. Richard Rodgers (Average)
5. Jared Abbredaris (Hurt, but can't get on the field)
7. Jeff Janies (Healthy but only special teams)

2015:
3. Ty Montgomery (hurt last year, showed flashes)
6. Kennard Backman (Who?)

Just a woeful job putting weapons around Rogers. 

[MerrittsMustache]

I'll put this another way.  Randall Cobb was drafted in 2011.

In the five drafts since, the Packers have drafted ONE impact player on offense.  Eddie Lacy.  (And even he unexpectedly fell to them.)  No one else has made a significant impact. 

Here is a list of the receivers and backs drafted from 2011 onward:

2011:
1. Cobb (Good)
3. Alex Green - RB (Bust)
5. DJ Williams - TE (Bust)
7. Ryan Taylor - TE (Serviceable)

2012:
No one. 

2013:
2. Eddie Lacy (Good)
4. Johnathan Franklin (Bust)
7. Charles Johnson (Bad)
7. Keven Dorsey (Bad)

2014:
2. Davante Adams (Average)
3. Richard Rodgers (Average)
5. Jared Abbredaris (Hurt, but can't get on the field)
7. Jeff Janies (Healthy but only special teams)

2015:
3. Ty Montgomery (hurt last year, showed flashes)
6. Kennard Backman (Who?)

Just a woeful job putting weapons around Rogers.

Can 4th and 5th Rounders really be considered busts? Perhaps the Packers thought Rodgers was good enough to make those around him better.


Obviously that last comment was tongue in cheek. I just enjoy seeing GB fans go down the same road (no weapons, bad play-calling, etc) that they dismissed for so long in regards to the Bears. Not necessarily you, Sultan, but others on this board and elsewhere.

[naginiF]

Can 4th and 5th Rounders really be considered busts? Perhaps the Packers thought Rodgers was good enough to make those around him better.


Obviously that last comment was tongue in cheek. I just enjoy seeing GB fans go down the same road (no weapons, bad play-calling, etc) that they dismissed for so long in regards to the Bears. Not necessarily you, Sultan, but others on this board and elsewhere.

Anyone who follows the Packers knows that Ted would NEVER allow that to happen. 

[GGGG]

To be honest I think Thompson felt that he had to do a bunch to shore up the defensive side of the ball.  Also he has done well in drafting linemen.

But to answer your question, I do think that between the coaching staff and Rodgers, that they they could "coach people up" and develop them into weapons.  But it just hasn't happened.  And to be fair, I think Rodgers has slipped too.  He's obviously still very good, but this isn't the same guy as he was four or five years ago.