Oso planning to go pro
Could be not just retroactively apply for a medical redshirt and have this entire point be moot?
I don't disagree, but sometimes people make mistakes when they are 17-18 years old without realizing what the consequences will be. If he ends up wanting to play 4 years and that "straight to the NBA" plan doesn't work out, I think he should be able to. I could be in the minority on that, and that's fine.
So what is your point? Joey/Sam will be forever linked to Wojo, who blew the whole fiasco, because of his inability to handle the situation.....and now wait for it....here come the Wojo worshippers...to his defense...in 3..2..1
You can't apply for a "medical redshirt" until you complete your initial eligibility. And the issue is that he would rather play this season than play an extra season down the line anyway. But if this isn't successful, undoubtedly he will apply for a medical redshirt unless he turns pro.
Maybe his argument is that he didn't play the second half of this season, so he should be aqble to only have to sit out a semester
I'd caution anyone against judging Joey's motives or character. He hasn't said anything publicly about his or Sam's reasons for transferring. Neither has anybody else who's involved.Here's all Wojo had to offer:"If you would have asked me the day after our season ended if they wouldn't be here next year, I would tell you I would be very, very surprised...But being in this business long enough, I guess nothing should surprise you. I wish them nothing but the best. I hope they find what they are looking for."https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2019/05/09/marquette-coach-steve-wojciechowski-talks-hausers-transfers/1150669001/Here are a few excerpts from more extensive comments by Scott Anderson, Joey's former coach at Stevens Point Area Senior High:"I was surprised. Knowing the boys as long as I have, things have gone very well for them in Marquette and they've enjoyed their time there. But in talking with them recently, I think that they are just looking forward and feel like what they have left in their college career that they want to do it at a different place.""They never said that there was any dissatisfaction in style of play...They have their reasons and I think people have to be respectful of that.""This wasn't a spur of the moment kind of thing or an emotional decision. They waited until after the season, and they feel that they're doing the right thing that's best for them."https://www.postcrescent.com/story/sports/2019/04/16/marquette-shocker-hausers-seek-better-fit-former-spash-coach-says/3481168002/I don't see any need to disparage Joey's talent, either. He clearly needs to work on his defense and decision-making (22.3% TORate per KenPom). But he's a good passer (15.2% Assist Rate) with a pretty good handle for his size and shows an array of advanced moves inside. What really sets him apart is his outside shooting.Only 3 players in all of Division I who are 6-9 or taller shot better from three-point range than Joey did in 2018-19:Rapolas Ivanauskas Colgate 6-10/225 So 43.3%Bennie Boatwright USC 6-10/235 Sr 42.9%Aric Holman Mississippi State 6-10/225 Sr 42.9%Joey Hauser Marquette 6-9/230 Fr 42.5%That is what makes Joey special. He has truly elite shooting ability for his size -- something Henry Ellenson lacked. Joey has the potential to stretch the court in ways other players can't. Wojo knows it, which is why Joey almost immediately stepped into the starting lineup. Izzo knows it, which is why he recruited Joey so heavily. It's also the main reason Joey will get looks from NBA scouts: He's a big with dangerous range.As for Wojo's role, I agree that it's his program. And it's hard to understate the impact of losing two starters. But the fact is that every program loses players. Good and bad. There were more than 700 transfers in 2019 -- about 1 in every 6 players across all of Division I men's basketball. Does that mean Jay Wright mishandled the situation when former 5-star recruit Jahvon Quinerly left Villanova?For whatever reason, Joey wasn't the right fit at Marquette. I'm over it. I'm willing to wish him the best. It's past time to move on; a new season has begun. MU basketball will be just fine without him.
Meh. I thought it was a mistake when it happened, and I don't feel any differently now. He may get a waiver when that time comes, and I think he'd have a decent case to make to the NCAA. He was never going to play in what ended up being his "freshman" year. But Joey went into it with his eyes wide open. To insinuate that he didn't know what the consequences of that would be if/when his game didn't translate to high major basketball as well as he hoped, is well....ridiculous. I am not directing that comment at you, specifically, Brew. IMO, if he doesn't get the waiver, that is fully on him and his family for making a dumb decision.
Some of this is true in ordinary circumstances, but Joey's circumstances were not ordinary. This particular 17/18-year-old has two parents who were college athletes and two older siblings were were college athletes at the time he made his decision. He can't present a valid argument that he wasn't fully informed of the consequences, was naive to the long-term ramifications or taken advantage of by an unscrupulous Marquette coaching staff.
I don't necessarily disagree with any of this. I just think this is a case where a kid made a decision that didn't work out, the benefit he received for his "redshirt" year was likely marginal compared to most students, and there's no harm in him getting a sixth year. I think it would be harsh to refuse that if he ends up trying to play out his eligibility.That said...no reason whatsoever he should be allowed to play next year based on everything we know.
that's an extension of eligibility waiver. You have to have had two years of denied participation due circumstances outside of your control. That means two season-ending injuries, personal hardship or, during your freshman year, having sat out due to the coach's decision. Right now Joey does not qualify. This is Michigan State just throwing something against the wall and seeing if it sticks.
The other thing that doesn't quite sit right with me is the idea that Joey "quit" his team. Does that mean everyone who decides to transfer -- which would include Marquette players such as Robert Jackson, Jamil Wilson, Andrew Rowsey, Koby McEwen, et al -- "quit" on their former teammates?
The other thing that doesn't quite sit right with me is the idea that Joey "quit" his team. Does that mean everyone who decides to transfer -- which would include Marquette players such as Robert Jackson, Jamil Wilson, Andrew Rowsey, Koby McEwen, et al -- "quit" on their former teammates?As stated before, more than 700 players in Division I transferred this year. They exercised their right to decide what's best for them and seek out better opportunities. I may not like it when talented players leave the MU program. But it's not my choice. It's a personal decision.Using the word "quit" seems like an unfair and loaded connotation -- especially when none of Joey's coaches or teammates have said anything of the sort.
Odartey Blankson's transfer following the 2001-02 season is the only one I can think of that's even close to the Hauser's decision.
Can he argue that he was "denied participation" in that first year because of an injury? Does it matter that he was already injured when he came? If he had come to Marquette without the injury and was participating in practices that spring (if that's even allowed...I have no idea), would it change anything if he was injured after arriving on campus?
Yes, but that wouldn't get him immediate eligibility. It would only help him get a 6th year if he misses another year due to injury.
Odartey Blankson's transfer following the 2001-02 season is the only one I can think of that's even close to the Hauser's decision.Odartey was part of a strong recruiting class of 2000 -- which also included Dwyane Wade, Scott Merritt and Terry Sanders. Marquette struggled to a 15-14 (9-7) record that year in Tom Crean's second season as head coach. Blankson was one of the highlights. He started 28 games as a freshman, averaging 6.1 ppg and 5.5 rpg and earning a reputation as a tough, versatile defender.The next year, Wade emerged as a star and the team vaulted to 26-7 (13-3). Blankson started 27 games and averaged 8.4 ppg (third best on the team) and 6.2 rpg. While the team would lose senior starters Cordell Henry and Oluoma Nnamaka, the returning core of Wade, Blankson, Merritt, Sanders, Travis Diener and Todd Townsend looked ready to take the next step.Then Blankson announced his decision to transfer. Crean's press release stated that "he is looking for a more prominent role." Blankson added, "I've enjoyed my time at Marquette and feel good about the contributions that I've made."Marquette advanced to the Final Four the next season. After sitting out that year, Blankson became the leading scorer and rebounder for the UNLV Rebels -- which didn't even make the postseason in either of his seasons there. He went on to a successful pro career in Europe.As a fan, I still wonder how much better that Final Four team might have been with Blankson on the roster. I can't imagine what Odartey was thinking. But whether or not I understand or agree with it is completely beside the point; it was his decision to make, and he believed it was the right thing to do.