Wisconsin to lower drinking age to 19?

[warriorchick]

That will help recruiting.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2017/11/08/republican-lawmakers-bill-would-lower-drinking-age-19-wisconsin/845245001/

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

They've been talking about doing since I was student. 
A for effort!

[tower912]

I am in favor of it.    You can vote, get married, have a job, move out of the house, go to war, buy cigarettes, go to a casino when you are 19-20, but you can't have a legal drink.   21 has always struck me as a bad law.   

[muwarrior69]

OK, but make sure they can't get their driver license until 21.

[Galway Eagle]

This’ll also help tourism!

OK, but make sure they can't get their driver license until 21.

Why?

[jesmu84]

Now that's one way to increase voter turnout

[Babybluejeans]

I am in favor of it.    You can vote, get married, have a job, move out of the house, go to war, buy cigarettes, go to a casino when you are 19-20, but you can't have a legal drink.   21 has always struck me as a bad law.

100%

[GGGG]

"(T)he drinking age would only drop to 19 if Wisconsin would not lose its federal highway money. Current federal law, passed in 1984, says any state with a drinking age lower than 21 can lose 8 percent of federal highway funding."

Not happening.

[Galway Eagle]

"(T)he drinking age would only drop to 19 if Wisconsin would not lose its federal highway money. Current federal law, passed in 1984, says any state with a drinking age lower than 21 can lose 8 percent of federal highway funding."

Not happening.

Is it just me or is it strange states are able to legalize drugs easier than lowering the drinking age? Thanks a lot Reagan

[WI inferiority Complexes]

NM.

[GB Warrior]

I'm only in support of this if they attach a rider to make it mandatory that all toddlers must be NRA members and own hunting rifles.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I am very pro-lowering the drinking age. Get em started younger and learning how to drink more responsibly. Also take some of the "forbidden fruit" angle out of college drinking.

[warriorchick]

I am very pro-lowering the drinking age. Get em started younger and learning how to drink more responsibly. Also take some of the "forbidden fruit" angle out of college drinking.

I take it, then, that you full support the Amethyst Initiative:

http://www.theamethystinitiative.org/

[Hards Alumni]

I'm in support of entirely removing the drinking age.  Keeping the age for purchasing at 21.  This would allow people to be eased into alcohol... families could better introduce it as something to enjoy responsibly, rather than getting to college and going bananas and drinking to die.  The reasoning for keeping the purchasing age at 21 would be to limit sales (to some degree), but not remove the ability to have a party. 

Also in support of marijuana legalization.

The introduction of this law, and the one last year regarding breweries makes me really wonder who is in severe political debt to the Tavern League of Wisconsin.

[🏀]

I'm in support of entirely removing the drinking age.  Keeping the age for purchasing at 21.  This would allow people to be eased into alcohol... families could better introduce it as something to enjoy responsibly, rather than getting to college and going bananas and drinking to die.  The reasoning for keeping the purchasing age at 21 would be to limit sales (to some degree), but not remove the ability to have a party. 

Also in support of marijuana legalization.

The introduction of this law, and the one last year regarding breweries makes me really wonder who is in severe political debt to the Tavern League of Wisconsin.

I fully support all of this.

[muwarrior69]

This’ll also help tourism!

Why?

I lost my son in a car accident.

[Galway Eagle]

I lost my son in a car accident.

I’m sorry to hear that. Makes sense why your take is that then.

[Herman Cain]

I lost a cousin in a car accident to young punks driving drunk. I think lowering the drinking age would be a mistake.

[jesmu84]

I lost a cousin in a car accident to young punks driving drunk. I think lowering the drinking age would be a mistake.

If bad people are going to commit an illegal act, they'll do so regardless of the law.

So I've been told

[Chili]

I'm in support of entirely removing the drinking age.  Keeping the age for purchasing at 21.  This would allow people to be eased into alcohol... families could better introduce it as something to enjoy responsibly, rather than getting to college and going bananas and drinking to die.  The reasoning for keeping the purchasing age at 21 would be to limit sales (to some degree), but not remove the ability to have a party. 

Also in support of marijuana legalization.

The introduction of this law, and the one last year regarding breweries makes me really wonder who is in severe political debt to the Tavern League of Wisconsin.

This is already the law in WI in that parents can give their children alcohol until they turn 18. Also, if you're spouse is under 21 but you're over, they can consume alcohol you purchase and can be on a Class A premises.

And what is the law about breweries? IMO, anything that helps create local jobs (like what a brewery is) is a net positive. Why inhibit a noble profession especially one with very deep roots in the state?

[jsglow]

I personally think it is a mistake as well.  Now before we go too far, there's no evidence that the Governor supports it.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I take it, then, that you full support the Amethyst Initiative:

http://www.theamethystinitiative.org/

I never fully support something I don't fully understand, but from the mission statement, it seems like something I could get behind.

[mu03eng]

I'm in support of entirely removing the drinking age.  Keeping the age for purchasing at 21.  This would allow people to be eased into alcohol... families could better introduce it as something to enjoy responsibly, rather than getting to college and going bananas and drinking to die.  The reasoning for keeping the purchasing age at 21 would be to limit sales (to some degree), but not remove the ability to have a party. 

Also in support of marijuana legalization.

The introduction of this law, and the one last year regarding breweries makes me really wonder who is in severe political debt to the Tavern League of Wisconsin.

Can not endorse this post enough

[Hards Alumni]

This is already the law in WI in that parents can give their children alcohol until they turn 18. Also, if you're spouse is under 21 but you're over, they can consume alcohol you purchase and can be on a Class A premises.

And what is the law about breweries? IMO, anything that helps create local jobs (like what a brewery is) is a net positive. Why inhibit a noble profession especially one with very deep roots in the state?

Close.  Have to be in arms reach of the child.  Meaning you can't buy your kid a bunch of booze and then let him throw a party.  If you're in a bar and want to getbyour kid a drink, they have to be in arms length.  Caveat here is that I got my bartending license nearly 20 years ago, and haven't renewed it in 15.

The brewery law was going to prohibit sales at the brewery.  Luckily it got shot down quickly enough.

[Spotcheck Billy]

If bad people are going to commit an illegal act, they'll do so regardless of the law.

So I've been told

1 aspect to remember, if the drinking age stays 21 in IL we're back to the bloody borders we had before. I remember seeing bands at clubs when there were 50-100 sailors from Great Lakes auditioning for drunk-of-the-day.

[barfolomew]

I personally think it is a mistake as well.  Now before we go too far, there's no evidence that the Governor supports it.

Come now, Glow.
Per MUScoop bylaws we are required to go too far no later than the sixth post of any thread.

[brewcity77]

I lost my son in a car accident.

I don't think raising the driving age would fix that. I've been to fatal car accidents with drivers as young as 13. I can't tell you how many I've seen where one or both drivers didn't have a license. The problem isn't the age, it's the education.

[GGGG]

It's really hard to tell if lifting the drinking age helped curb OWI.  The lifting of the age occurred at the same time as increased education and increased penalties.  OTOH, there is little doubt that binge drinking has increased with the lifting of the drinking age.

[jsglow]

Come now, Glow.
Per MUScoop bylaws we are required to go too far no later than the sixth post of any thread.

[SaveOD238]

If we can do this while also getting all of the repeat DUI offenders off the roads, I'd be all for it.

Though 19 makes a lot more sense than 18, to keep it out of the hands (mostly) of high school seniors.

[#UnleashSean]

I'm in support of entirely removing the drinking age.  Keeping the age for purchasing at 21.  This would allow people to be eased into alcohol... families could better introduce it as something to enjoy responsibly, rather than getting to college and going bananas and drinking to die.  The reasoning for keeping the purchasing age at 21 would be to limit sales (to some degree), but not remove the ability to have a party. 

Also in support of marijuana legalization.

The introduction of this law, and the one last year regarding breweries makes me really wonder who is in severe political debt to the Tavern League of Wisconsin.

So then we would just have 21 year olds post up outside charging a 5 dollar fee

[Hards Alumni]

So then we would just have 21 year olds post up outside charging a 5 dollar fee

I don't see your point.

[#UnleashSean]

I don't see your point.

19 year old can posess beer but can't buy it. 21 year old can sit outside store wait for a 19 year old to come. Tell him he will buy the beer but it will cost the 19 year old an extra 5 dollar fee on top of the cost.

The law would be circumvented in seconds.

[Galway Eagle]

19 year old can posess beer but can't buy it. 21 year old can sit outside store wait for a 19 year old to come. Tell him he will buy the beer but it will cost the 19 year old an extra 5 dollar fee on top of the cost.

The law would be circumvented in seconds.

Pretty much what happens now only you can’t possess it.

I’m pro lowering the drinking beer, cider, and wine (wine coolers, mead that crap) but not pro spirits

[#UnleashSean]

Pretty much what happens now only you can’t possess it.

I’m pro lowering the drinking beer, cider, and wine (wine coolers, mead that crap) but not pro spirits

I definitely believe under 7% should be legal at 19.

[radome]

If we can do this while also getting all of the repeat DUI offenders off the roads, I'd be all for it.

Though 19 makes a lot more sense than 18, to keep it out of the hands (mostly) of high school seniors.

Make all the cars driverless now. It would solve more problems than this ...

[rocket surgeon]

If bad people are going to commit an illegal act, they'll do so regardless of the law.

So I've been told

that's what we've been tryin to say here all along about...you know what and we all know where that goes every time.  but you are 100% correct-bad people are always going to do bad things regardless of rules and laws.     

[Hards Alumni]

19 year old can posess beer but can't buy it. 21 year old can sit outside store wait for a 19 year old to come. Tell him he will buy the beer but it will cost the 19 year old an extra 5 dollar fee on top of the cost.

The law would be circumvented in seconds.

Right, that is fine.  The way I described it was to only limit sales, not ban them.

[muwarrior69]

I don't think raising the driving age would fix that. I've been to fatal car accidents with drivers as young as 13. I can't tell you how many I've seen where one or both drivers didn't have a license. The problem isn't the age, it's the education.

Well there you go. Maybe we should eliminate age requirements for alcohol, marijuana, driving, gun purchases etc. as long as they are educated.

[muwarrior69]

I'm in support of entirely removing the drinking age.  Keeping the age for purchasing at 21.  This would allow people to be eased into alcohol... families could better introduce it as something to enjoy responsibly, rather than getting to college and going bananas and drinking to die.  The reasoning for keeping the purchasing age at 21 would be to limit sales (to some degree), but not remove the ability to have a party. 

Also in support of marijuana legalization.

The introduction of this law, and the one last year regarding breweries makes me really wonder who is in severe political debt to the Tavern League of Wisconsin.

A good article about this very subject.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/11/10/563051543/in-the-age-of-legalization-talking-to-kids-about-marijuana-gets-tougher

[Hards Alumni]

A good article about this very subject.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/11/10/563051543/in-the-age-of-legalization-talking-to-kids-about-marijuana-gets-tougher

Marijuana is safer than cigarettes and alcohol.  This doesn't mean I advocate allowing children to obtain it legally.

Having a conversation about how it is an adult choice is important, and despite legalization in 8 or 9 states (plus DC) there hasn't been a significant uptick in usage among teens.

[B. McBannerson]

I lost my son in a car accident.

This pains me greatly.  Truly sorry for your loss.  Heartbreaking.   

[Golden Avalanche]

Well there you go. Maybe we should eliminate age requirements for alcohol, marijuana, driving, gun purchases etc. as long as they are educated.

You believe an educated alcoholic consumer is the same as an uneducated alcoholic consumer? You believe an educated marijuana smoker is the same as an uneducated marijuana smoker? You believe an educated operator of a vehicle is the same as an uneducated operator of a vehicle? You believe an educated gun owner is the same as an uneducated gun owner?

[brewcity77]

Well there you go. Maybe we should eliminate age requirements for alcohol, marijuana, driving, gun purchases etc. as long as they are educated.

Not a bad idea. Teaching people how to responsibly handle these things is better than the naive assumption that some mystical wisdom is gained simply by the turn of a calendar.

[PBRme]

Not a bad idea. Teaching people how to responsibly handle these things is better than the naive assumption that some mystical wisdom is gained simply by the turn of a calendar.

Half my '85 class would not be allowed to drink today by that requirement, and everyone that was in my house.  Except me of course.

But would they take attendance?