Georgetown is pitiful

[tower912]

End their misery.

[4everwarriors]

Ewe just gave da Hoyas bulletin board material. Prepare fore an ass kickin', aina?

[tower912]

Yes, I am sure this post will cause MU to lose and civilization to collapse.

[4everwarriors]

Butt, mite end covid on March 1, doe, hey?

[tower912]

 

[bilsu]

End their misery.

So you want us to lose to them to end their misery.

[#UnleashSean]

Yes, I am sure this post will cause MU to lose and civilization to collapse.

This is almost as bad as talking about an opponent a week ahead!

[tower912]

So you want us to lose to them to end their misery.

Fair.   Destroy them.   Get them one step closer to ending their misery.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

And should be destroyed.

[lawdog77]

That's some bad juju in the title Tower. If we lose tonight, the blame squarely falls on you.

[NCMUFan]

Treat them with respect like any other opponent.
Quiet perseverance, will and determination to victory!

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

Ask TAMU how his Butler analysis went. GTown going to win a game sometime this season.

[brewcity77]

Ask TAMU how his Butler analysis went. GTown going to win a game sometime this season.

Maybe this calendar year, I'm not sure about this season. DePaul at home is the only game they are predicted to lose by less than 8 points. Further, they have only had one game in conference play (at Butler) that was decided by fewer than 8 points. They aren't even really being competitive for 40 minutes with anyone.

If they don't get that DePaul game, it seems highly probable they finish 6-25 with a 21-game losing streak and entering the 2022-23 season 0-for-the-year.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Ask TAMU how his Butler analysis went. GTown going to win a game sometime this season.

Yeah, I pissed into the wind on that one

[MU82]

This is almost as bad as talking about an opponent a week ahead!

The last time I talked about the Georgetown game a week ahead, we only beat 'em by 106 points ... so my bad!

[jfp61]

Georgetown is going to need to shoot 53% from three in order to shoot how Butler did.

I feel decent about this game.

Underlying SQ stats like marquette's Uconn and Butler performances more than earlier big east games that have happened.

[Billy Hoyle]

Maybe this calendar year, I'm not sure about this season. DePaul at home is the only game they are predicted to lose by less than 8 points. Further, they have only had one game in conference play (at Butler) that was decided by fewer than 8 points. They aren't even really being competitive for 40 minutes with anyone.

If they don't get that DePaul game, it seems highly probable they finish 6-25 with a 21-game losing streak and entering the 2022-23 season 0-for-the-year.

who cares what KemPom and other computer predictions say. Did they predict us being Nova either time? Did they predict us losing to Butler? Hell, did they predict Gtown losing to Dartmouth?

Georgetown sucks, we don't need computer predictions to know that. They're also playing their third game in five days and their third road game in seven.

[Uncle Rico]

who cares what KemPom and other computer predictions say. Did they predict us being Nova either time? Did they predict us losing to Butler? Hell, did they predict Gtown losing to Dartmouth?

Georgetown sucks, we don't need computer predictions to know that. They're also playing their third game in five days and their third road game in seven.

Do you know how KenPom works?

[brewcity77]

who cares what KemPom and other computer predictions say. Did they predict us being Nova either time? Did they predict us losing to Butler? Hell, did they predict Gtown losing to Dartmouth?

Georgetown sucks, we don't need computer predictions to know that. They're also playing their third game in five days and their third road game in seven.

So are you predicting Georgetown to win one or multiple games before the end of the season?

[Billy Hoyle]

So are you predicting Georgetown to win one or multiple games before the end of the season?

no. I'm just saying I don't put any stock in these predictions.

[brewcity77]

no. I'm just saying I don't put any stock in these predictions.

Guessing you also think Vegas lines are worthless?

[CountryRoads]

This game is essentially a cupcake. Doesn’t mean it won’t be a struggle like some of our other buy games, but that’s just the reality. Georgetown is about as bad as can be when it comes to a P6 team.

I’ll still firmly hold this opinion whether MU wins or loses tonight. Georgetown is terrible. Nothing like playing a bad Q4 game in February. They aren’t even remotely close to Q3. Nothing to gain here for MU.

[NCMUFan]

Purely for our entertainment tonight.
Hope Marquette wins.
Would be nice to add another win.

[1SE]

You've gotta feel for big Pat.

But.make.him cry tonight.

[DFW HOYA]

By the way, this happens EVERY GAME.

[rocky_warrior]

By the way, this happens EVERY GAME.

Losing?  Yes.  We Know.

[1SE]

By the way, this happens EVERY GAME.

We hope you guys are back soon - its not good for anyone to have this.

[tower912]

DFW, you have never been anything but class.   I feel for you and your fanbase.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Georgetown is the worst team I have seen since MU joined the BE. And yeah that includes Purnell-era De Paul.

[CountryRoads]

We hope you guys are back soon - its not good for anyone to have this.

Agreed. It’s better for the big east if Georgetown is a marquee game on the schedule.

[DoctorV]

How did Georgetown win the BET again?!?

Unreal season for them coming off of that

[DFW HOYA]

Last seven games, opponent threes vs. Georgetown:

12
9
12
9
12
12
12, tonight

[DFW HOYA]

Post-script: it's hard for Georgetown to win a game shooting 25%.

Not from the field...but from two point range (9-36).

[tower912]

Finding one thing while looking for another.   While looking for Coach Smart's post-Georgetown press conference, I came across articles from 2017 discussing how Georgetown had reached out to Shaka (and Mike Brey) and had been turned down.   

  So, DFW, in your opinion, what are some of the internal issues at Georgetown that will add challenges to the next hiring. process?

[DFW HOYA]

Finding one thing while looking for another.   While looking for Coach Smart's post-Georgetown press conference, I came across articles from 2017 discussing how Georgetown had reached out to Shaka (and Mike Brey) and had been turned down.   

So, DFW, in your opinion, what are some of the internal issues at Georgetown that will add challenges to the next hiring. process?

Those articles conflict with a narrative that these coaches never really approached Georgetown due to the perceived presence of John Thompson in the search. Other (e.g. Chris Mack) floated interest but it was to get their name in the mix elsewhere. Ewing was approached by Thompson when no candidates actually interviewed in a four week period, leading some/many to believe Thompson had cleared the track fo Ewing to be the only candidate.

As for internal issues, three come to mind.

1. Financial. Ewing has at least one and perhaps 3-4 years left on a contract if it was silently renewed last season as some have speculated. Barring a Chris Mullin-style resignation which relieves GU of those commitments, that's a lot of money that isn't in the budget to pay given the awful home attendance (5,519 a game) and a lack of revenue in other sports to cover losses.

2. Organizational. The big shoe to drop isn't the 0-fer record. It's the transfer portal, and it could be severe.

3. Institutional. Georgetown basketball doesn't report through the athletic director due to decisions made after the 1971-72 season. However, there are no leaves left on the John Thompson coaching tree, save for two older Division II coaches well below .500) and thus a change in coaching likely ends the House of Thompson within the basketball office. There will be pushback from some quarters on this.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

3. Institutional. Georgetown basketball doesn't report through the athletic director due to decisions made after the 1971-72 season.

Hold on.  What?

[StillAWarrior]

As for internal issues, three come to mind.

1. Financial. Ewing has at least one and perhaps 3-4 years left on a contract if it was silently renewed last season as some have speculated. Barring a Chris Mullin-style resignation which relieves GU of those commitments, that's a lot of money that isn't in the budget to pay given the awful home attendance (5,519 a game) and a lack of revenue in other sports to cover losses.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but the phrase "penny-wise and pound-foolish" comes to mind.

[DFW HOYA]

Hold on.  What?

"By the summer of 1972, Thompson got what he needed to succeed -- latitude in recruiting, support in admissions, complete control over scheduling, and a direct line of authority to the President's office. The Athletic Advisory Board was out of the basketball business, and eventually faded out of view over the next decade."

https://www.hoyabasketball.com/features/1972.htm

[Scoop Snoop]

Those articles conflict with a narrative that these coaches never really approached Georgetown due to the perceived presence of John Thompson in the search. Other (e.g. Chris Mack) floated interest but it was to get their name in the mix elsewhere. Ewing was approached by Thompson when no candidates actually interviewed in a four week period, leading some/many to believe Thompson had cleared the track fo Ewing to be the only candidate.

As for internal issues, three come to mind.

1. Financial. Ewing has at least one and perhaps 3-4 years left on a contract if it was silently renewed last season as some have speculated. Barring a Chris Mullin-style resignation which relieves GU of those commitments, that's a lot of money that isn't in the budget to pay given the awful home attendance (5,519 a game) and a lack of revenue in other sports to cover losses.

2. Organizational. The big shoe to drop isn't the 0-fer record. It's the transfer portal, and it could be severe.

3. Institutional. Georgetown basketball doesn't report through the athletic director due to decisions made after the 1971-72 season. However, there are no leaves left on the John Thompson coaching tree, save for two older Division II coaches well below .500) and thus a change in coaching likely ends the House of Thompson within the basketball office. There will be pushback from some quarters on this.

Your thoughts on one scooper's comment (I think it was Rocky) that creating a position for Ewing (maybe something like VP of bball) might be a way for Ewing to exit as coach? I think it would still be a bad idea- GT needs to make a clean break.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

"By the summer of 1972, Thompson got what he needed to succeed -- latitude in recruiting, support in admissions, complete control over scheduling, and a direct line of authority to the President's office. The Athletic Advisory Board was out of the basketball business, and eventually faded out of view over the next decade."

https://www.hoyabasketball.com/features/1972.htm

And that's still the case?  If so, I don't think that makes a lot of sense.  I can't think of another school where the basketball coach doesn't report to the athletic director.  Holding onto a model that developed 50 years ago isn't a good idea.

[WellsstreetWanderer]

 I sincerely hope Gtown turns this around soon. This should be a proud program and a Big East powerhouse

[The Lens]

If I was John DeGioia (FTR, I am not) these would be my first 3 calls, in this order:

1) Ed Cooley
2) Kevin Willard
3) Rick Pitino

IF I have to make a 4th call, it’s Kelvin Sampson.  IF I still have to make a phone call, it’s to a Boston College Alum, the Jesuit educated, Bruce Pearl.

[Lennys Tap]

If I was John DeGioia (FTR, I am not) these would be my first 3 calls, in this order:

1) Ed Cooley
2) Kevin Willard
3) Rick Pitino

IF I have to make a 4th call, it’s Kelvin Sampson.  IF I still have to make a phone call, it’s to a Boston College Alum, the Jesuit educated, Bruce Pearl.

By the time it’s Wojo’s turn DeGiola won’t have a dime left.

[The Equalizer]

If I was John DeGioia (FTR, I am not) these would be my first 3 calls, in this order:

1) Ed Cooley
2) Kevin Willard
3) Rick Pitino

IF I have to make a 4th call, it’s Kelvin Sampson.  IF I still have to make a phone call, it’s to a Boston College Alum, the Jesuit educated, Bruce Pearl.

If you're going to steal a Big East coach, why not go after Hurley--east coast ties, more career success, younger, and it removes UConn as an impediment to success.

I don't think Cooley or Willard will sell more tickets in DC.

[MDMU04]

Wouldn't poaching head coaches from other programs in the Big East be rather frowned upon?  It seems like it would be.

[MU82]

By the time it’s Wojo’s turn DeGiola won’t have a dime left.

Nicely played.

[CountryRoads]

I sincerely hope Gtown turns this around soon. This should be a proud program and a Big East powerhouse

I don’t really mind seeing them suffer. They seemed to want no part of the “new” big east when it first formed whereas Villanova embraced the conference and has since dominated almost every year.

[Scoop Snoop]

I don’t really mind seeing them suffer. They seemed to want no part of the “new” big east when it first formed whereas Villanova embraced the conference and has since dominated almost every year.

True, but time to move on. It's better for the conference if we have solid teams top to bottom, ala Big 12.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

They can get good again right after Mohammed transfers to MU. Man, if that guy learns to finish at the rim, look out.

[Scoop Snoop]

They can get good again right after Mohammed transfers to MU. Man, if that guy learns to finish at the rim, look out.

Oh yeah! He'd be really scary if he does that.

[Dr. Blackheart]

By the time it’s Wojo’s turn DeGiola won’t have a dime left.

Wojo can lend him some.

[The Lens]

Wouldn't poaching head coaches from other programs in the Big East be rather frowned upon?  It seems like it would be.

I have no idea but Cooley & Willard are both uniquely qualified to win in the Big East and Georgetown would be a step up for each.

As for Danny Hurley, he has either the best or the second best job in the conference, he's not stepping down to Georgetown.

[MDMU04]

I don’t really mind seeing them suffer. They seemed to want no part of the “new” big east when it first formed whereas Villanova embraced the conference and has since dominated almost every year.

The bold part above is just not true.  Their results on the court have not followed, but Georgetown was instrumental in the formation of the new Big East.  They pretty much led everyone out the door of the old league, and DeGioia was basically in charge of putting the new league together.

https://web.archive.org/web/20121217143046/http://ajerseyguy.com/?p=4380#more-4380

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/catholic-7-schools-including-georgetown-charting-a-new-yet-familiar-path/2013/02/16/f1eaa870-7876-11e2-aa12-e6cf1d31106b_story.html

The VU Hoops blog has a good chronicle about the formation of the new league.

[BrewCity83]

Wojo can lend him some.

Crean can pledge 1,000,000 dimes to Wojo's cause.

[LAZER]

I have no idea but Cooley & Willard are both uniquely qualified to win in the Big East and Georgetown would be a step up for each.

As for Danny Hurley, he has either the best or the second best job in the conference, he's not stepping down to Georgetown.

I'm not sure Georgetown is a step up for either right now, unless they throw an absurd amount of money at those guys and it doesn't appear Georgetown is willing to do that. Not sure why either of them would take a massive rebuild job like that given the other job openings they've been linked to.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Yeah maybe with the exception of DePaul, I don't see any program being THAT much a step up that it would be worth the hassle of moving, etc.

Chris Beard went from Texas Tech to Texas last off season.  When was the last time a high major, intra-conference coaching move was made before that?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

The bold part above is just not true.  Their results on the court have not followed, but Georgetown was instrumental in the formation of the new Big East.  They pretty much led everyone out the door of the old league, and DeGioia was basically in charge of putting the new league together.

https://web.archive.org/web/20121217143046/http://ajerseyguy.com/?p=4380#more-4380

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/catholic-7-schools-including-georgetown-charting-a-new-yet-familiar-path/2013/02/16/f1eaa870-7876-11e2-aa12-e6cf1d31106b_story.html

The VU Hoops blog has a good chronicle about the formation of the new league.

Umm...no. Georgetown was too busy shaking their metaphorical cans in the faces of every ACC school hoping to get invited to round out the basketball half of their conference to 16 with Notre Dame. Nova and Marquette's ADs were the ones who took the lead. Georgetown eventually fell in line when the ACC didn't bite.

I say that rudely, but I really don't blame Georgetown. Every single Big East school at the time would have accepted an ACC invite if it had been floated their way.

[Scoop Snoop]

Umm...no. Georgetown was too busy shaking their metaphorical cans in the faces of every ACC school hoping to get invited to round out the basketball half of their conference to 16 with Notre Dame. Nova and Marquette's ADs were the ones who took the lead. Georgetown eventually fell in line when the ACC didn't bite.

I say that rudely, but I really don't blame Georgetown. Every single Big East school at the time would have accepted an ACC invite if it had been floated their way.

This is the narrative I remember as well. And that Marquette was instrumental in suggesting Creighton for the new version of the BE. I was a little miffed about GT looking to get into the ACC but like you, I could not blame them for trying. It was a scary time.

[DFW HOYA]

Umm...no. Georgetown was too busy shaking their metaphorical cans in the faces of every ACC school hoping to get invited to round out the basketball half of their conference to 16 with Notre Dame. Nova and Marquette's ADs were the ones who took the lead. Georgetown eventually fell in line when the ACC didn't bite.

This is false. Georgetown never pursued an ACC invite against those within the alumni community who had kicked the can on a Georgetown basketball/Navy tandem for ACC football, or for Georgetown to make a binding commitment to upgrade its I-AA football team and move games to FedEx Field. It never had the support of Georgetown's president.

[The Lens]

This is false. Georgetown never pursued an ACC invite against those within the alumni community who had kicked the can on a Georgetown basketball/Navy tandem for ACC football, or for Georgetown to make a binding commitment to upgrade its I-AA football team and move games to FedEx Field. It never had the support of Georgetown's president.

What's your coaching search Top 5?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

This is false. Georgetown never pursued an ACC invite against those within the alumni community who had kicked the can on a Georgetown basketball/Navy tandem for ACC football, or for Georgetown to make a binding commitment to upgrade its I-AA football team and move games to FedEx Field. It never had the support of Georgetown's president.

Lots of guys tell their friends that they weren't really interested when the hot girl at the bar turns them down.  Their friends usually believe them

[Dr. Blackheart]

Lots of guys tell their friends that they weren't really interested when the hot girl at the bar turns then down.  Their friends usually believe them

Sounds like a Badger recruiting thread.

[GooooMarquette]

Sounds like a Badger recruiting thread.

😂

[We R Final Four]

Sounds like a Badger recruiting thread.

Lol.

[Billy Hoyle]

This is the narrative I remember as well. And that Marquette was instrumental in suggesting Creighton for the new version of the BE. I was a little miffed about GT looking to get into the ACC but like you, I could not blame them for trying. It was a scary time.

Marquette is the reason Creighton is in the BE over SLU. Creighton's President is a MU grad and had been the Associate VP and then Associate Provost at MU and Creighton still held a grudge against SLU for their weaseling out of an agreement to join the MVC with them when CUSA fell apart. Not only did they not join, but the then SLU President went in and insulted every MVC school academically and athletically.

[Scoop Snoop]

Marquette is the reason Creighton is in the BE over SLU. Creighton's President is a MU grad and had been the Associate VP and then Associate Provost at MU and Creighton still held a grudge against SLU for their weaseling out of an agreement to join the MVC with them when CUSA fell apart. Not only did they not join, but the then SLU President went in and insulted every MVC school academically and athletically.

I did not know about SLU's president burning bridges. University presidents are expected to be smarter than the average person.

Getting back to GT- I'm having a difficult time believing that Ewing can actually survive after this nuclear bomb of a season. If GT was in any other conference I would not care, but they are an embarrassment to the BE as well as a drag on NET ratings for the other teams. We do not need another spectacle like the Mullin "resignation" and I am still hopeful such a scenario would not be repeated.

[DFW HOYA]

We do not need another spectacle like the Mullin "resignation" and I am still hopeful such a scenario would not be repeated.

Chris Mullin resigned after the death of his older brother.

[Scoop Snoop]

Chris Mullin resigned after the death of his older brother.

I had forgotten about that (and now recall he took that very hard), but do you really think that's the reason he resigned?