Explosions in Kiev

[JWags85]

The repeated civilian attacks are absolutely sickening.

But lets not forget who the real villains are here, NATO.  Russia just protecting their borders you know #tankiepride

[jesmu84]

The repeated civilian attacks are absolutely sickening.

But lets not forget who the real villains are here, NATO.  Russia just protecting their borders you know #tankiepride

Tankies are so dumb

Putin is just killing Nazis!

[Skatastrophy]

The Russians are being shaketioned.

I'm lovin' it

[rocket surgeon]

I assume anyone pushing for increased production would support nationalization then? Or perhaps government intervention into private markets?

  nope

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

There's a Guardian story this afternoon that the UK Defense Ministry has possible evidence Russia is preparing chemical weapons for use in Ukraine. 
If true, this might be the "That's it" moment.

[Galway Eagle]

There's a Guardian story this afternoon that the UK Defense Ministry has possible evidence Russia is preparing chemical weapons for use in Ukraine. 
If true, this might be the "That's it" moment.

You mean NATO saying "that's it" or Ukraine saying "that's it" or Russian military saying "that's it"

[jesmu84]

  nope

Oh.

Then how do you propose we increase domestic production?

[JWags85]

You mean NATO saying "that's it" or Ukraine saying "that's it" or Russian military saying "that's it"

NATO I would assume.  Gassing civilians is probably getting to "bridge too far" territory

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Oh.

Then how do you propose we increase domestic production?

Invermectin?

[Uncle Rico]

Invermectin?

Natural immunity

[TSmith34, Inc.]

There's a Guardian story this afternoon that the UK Defense Ministry has possible evidence Russia is preparing chemical weapons for use in Ukraine. 
If true, this might be the "That's it" moment.

Which aligns with Russian propaganda that they "found a U.S. bioweapons lab" in Ukraine. Because that would be a good place for us to put a secret lab.

[JWags85]

Oh.

Then how do you propose we increase domestic production?

I'd like to believe you realize there are a wide variety of legislative changes, subsidy altering, etc... in between the current situation and outright nationalization.  I don't know if you can look at the list of countries with nationalized oil production and say "i want to be like them"

[ZiggysFryBoy]

I'd like to believe you realize there are a wide variety of legislative changes, subsidy altering, etc... in between the current situation and outright nationalization.  I don't know if you can look at the list of countries with nationalized oil production and say "i want to be like them"

Nationalization of all industries is Comrade  Jesmu's wet dream.

[Pakuni]

I'd like to believe you realize there are a wide variety of legislative changes, subsidy altering, etc... in between the current situation and outright nationalization.  I don't know if you can look at the list of countries with nationalized oil production and say "i want to be like them"

Canada and Norway seem nice, but I wouldn't love the winters.

[JWags85]

Canada and Norway seem nice, but I wouldn't love the winters.

I don't believe Canada is.  Petro-Canada didn't last even 20 years and stopped being state owned in the early 90s.

I forgot about Norway, but there was never a domestic oil industry in Norway to nationalize.  They took control from the start to keep foreign companies from dominating if I recall.

[Pakuni]

I don't believe Canada is.  Petro-Canada didn't last even 20 years and stopped being state owned in the early 90s.

I forgot about Norway, but there was never a domestic oil industry in Norway to nationalize.  They took control from the start to keep foreign companies from dominating if I recall.

Fair.
That said, would you say the less attractive countries with nationalized oil industries - Libya or Iran, for example - are less attractive because they have nationalized oil industries?

[jesmu84]

I'd like to believe you realize there are a wide variety of legislative changes, subsidy altering, etc... in between the current situation and outright nationalization.  I don't know if you can look at the list of countries with nationalized oil production and say "i want to be like them"

Genuine: Do you have a link to anything I can read with these options?

Afaik, we aren't producing to capacity because "big oil" doesn't want to. They'd rather have their stock price high related to supply being low/controlled.

Related - in hindsight, how f*cking stupid was it for Biden to tell folks to stop working from home and get back to the office? If gas prices are gonna spin outta control due to supply, we should be attempting to mitigate demand for those who NEED the fuel.

[JWags85]

Fair.
That said, would you say the less attractive countries with nationalized oil industries - Libya or Iran, for example - are less attractive because they have nationalized oil industries?

Its don't think its a direct correlation but I don't necessarily seeing government oversight/control over huge revenue generating energy industry doing direct good for their populations.

I mean Argentina re-nationalized their oil not long ago and that country is an unmitigated economic disaster.  I guess I just don't see the positive outcome cases in action that would give credence to such a move, it just seems a result of people being annoyed with prices and thinking the oil/gas industry is too profitable/greedy

[jesmu84]

Its don't think its a direct correlation but I don't necessarily seeing government oversight/control over huge revenue generating energy industry doing direct good for their populations.

I mean Argentina re-nationalized their oil not long ago and that country is an unmitigated economic disaster.  I guess I just don't see the positive outcome cases in action that would give credence to such a move, it just seems a result of people being annoyed with prices and thinking the oil/gas industry is too profitable/greedy

There is a LOT of history that goes into that situation.

[Pakuni]

Its don't think its a direct correlation but I don't necessarily seeing government oversight/control over huge revenue generating energy industry doing direct good for their populations.

I mean Argentina re-nationalized their oil not long ago and that country is an unmitigated economic disaster.  I guess I just don't see the positive outcome cases in action that would give credence to such a move, it just seems a result of people being annoyed with prices and thinking the oil/gas industry is too profitable/greedy

I'm not in favor of nationalizing the oil industry, but I don't think nationalization of the oil industry is what makes places like Libya, Iran and Nigeria lousy places to live.

[JWags85]

I'm not in favor of nationalizing the oil industry, but I don't think nationalization of the oil industry is what makes places like Libya, Iran and Nigeria lousy places to live.

Again, I don’t disagree, I just don’t see it happening in countries we aspire to be like.  If a country with a thriving oil industry did it in the last 20-25 years and had good outcomes, then it’s a more interesting discussion.  Otherwise it just seems to be a tool of dictatorships or other government corruption/cronyism (which is the main reasons those countries are lousy IMO)

[Jockey]

We have and are completely failing marine mammals.  And countless other species.
 But many of them.are big guys.   

One of the few issues I agree with you on.

[Jockey]

Oil production has been down for the past five years despite calls to increase it, in favor of soaring profits and quarterly earnings.

Exxon, BP, Chevron, Shell, etc…all said nope to increasing production.

$174 Billion in profit this past year.

Perhaps some could make a little less profit.

There also hold about 9,000 approved oil drilling leases. But complain it costs them too much to actually drill. I guess they don't have the money to drill.

[forgetful]

The repeated civilian attacks are absolutely sickening.

But lets not forget who the real villains are here, NATO.  Russia just protecting their borders you know #tankiepride

Seriously question Wags, as you don't usually resort to such type statements. What does the bolded add to the discussion?

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Seriously question Wags, as you don't usually resort to such type statements. What does the bolded add to the discussion?

The teal went whoosh.