Could we be Shaka's forever home?

[Billy Hoyle]

the one thing that could affect Shaka's long term commitment is the changing landscape of the NCAA and the college game. The new constitution is going to heavily favor the Power Five, and as much as the Big East wants to coin the term "Power Six" that isn't a thing. Just ask the AAC who tried to do that with football. The Power Five (official designation in the NCAA bylaws: Autonomy Conferences) will never let that happen.

Secondly, the shifting of power to student-athletes and greater influence out outside individuals. Having to re-recruit ones team every year before being able to recruit new players is already wearing on coaches. Players leave more often due to outside influences, not wanting to earn their playing time, etc. Poaching it out of control now that kids are eligible immediately. Coaches are feeling burnout sooner and with the money they're making it makes it easier for them to get out instead of dealing with the BS and still live a charmed life.

[Silkk the Shaka]

NLW registered last January and started posting blasting Theo John and Marquette for being social justice warriors.  Remarkably, he then defended the mulax dudes who dropped the n-bomb on social media.

He’s not guru, though.  Guru will support Shaka as long as he’s winning and whatever players are here as long as they’re winning

Hmmmm... what's a chicos?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

It's been one year. How do we know coaches are "feeling burnout sooner" and "getting out"?

[Uncle Rico]

It's been one year. How do we know coaches are "feeling burnout sooner" and "getting out"?

We don’t but the chicken littles keep chicken littling

[MU82]

the one thing that could affect Shaka's long term commitment is the changing landscape of the NCAA and the college game. The new constitution is going to heavily favor the Power Five, and as much as the Big East wants to coin the term "Power Six" that isn't a thing. Just ask the AAC who tried to do that with football. The Power Five (official designation in the NCAA bylaws: Autonomy Conferences) will never let that happen.

Secondly, the shifting of power to student-athletes and greater influence out outside individuals. Having to re-recruit ones team every year before being able to recruit new players is already wearing on coaches. Players leave more often due to outside influences, not wanting to earn their playing time, etc. Poaching it out of control now that kids are eligible immediately. Coaches are feeling burnout sooner and with the money they're making it makes it easier for them to get out instead of dealing with the BS and still live a charmed life.

Not sure I agree with the Power Five/Power Six part of that -- a conference doesn't "declare" it, it just happens, and the fact is that the Big East has been among the top conferences ever since it became basketball only. Plus, basketball is just different than football. If you're saying that the powers-that-be will go out of their way to neuter Big East basketball in the future, I guess we'll see. If that happens to us, it will have been a heck of a run.

Otherwise, I agree with what you're saying about coaching now. If I had the choice between an NBA job where I didn't have to recruit at all, and a college job where I had to recruit and re-recruit constantly, had to deal with overprotective mommies, had to make sure kids were going to classes, etc ... I'd sure as heck choose the NBA.

But some coaches just love the college game and have no interest in coaching pros. And right now, we have no idea where Shaka stands on that. So it's one of those things that's not worth talking about much, let alone worrying about.

[Billy Hoyle]

Not sure I agree with the Power Five/Power Six part of that -- a conference doesn't "declare" it, it just happens, and the fact is that the Big East has been among the top conferences ever since it became basketball only. Plus, basketball is just different than football. If you're saying that the powers-that-be will go out of their way to neuter Big East basketball in the future, I guess we'll see. If that happens to us, it will have been a heck of a run.

Otherwise, I agree with what you're saying about coaching now. If I had the choice between an NBA job where I didn't have to recruit at all, and a college job where I had to recruit and re-recruit constantly, had to deal with overprotective mommies, had to make sure kids were going to classes, etc ... I'd sure as heck choose the NBA.

But some coaches just love the college game and have no interest in coaching pros. And right now, we have no idea where Shaka stands on that. So it's one of those things that's not worth talking about much, let alone worrying about.

The NCAA has different bylaws for the "Autonomy Conferences" which are the Power Five. Even though the Big East has proven their chops the Power Five/Autonomy Conferences don't want to share the spotlight or revenue. Money will be a huge factor for not just NIL but also Alston.

It's been one year. How do we know coaches are "feeling burnout sooner" and "getting out"?

Coaches for the past few years have been talking about the changing game, outside influences, burnout, the fact that immediate eligibility waivers were being handed out like candy on Halloween (before everyone got a free transfer and handshake lines became a recruiting opportunity). I can't say if any of this will affect Shaka at all, but it is something that is changing the game and the trajectory of the coaching profession.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Coaches for the past few years have been talking about the changing game, outside influences, burnout, the fact that immediate eligibility waivers were being handed out like candy on Halloween (before everyone got a free transfer and handshake lines became a recruiting opportunity). I can't say if any of this will affect Shaka at all, but it is something that is changing the game and the trajectory of the coaching profession.

Oh well.  They are well compensated, and there are plenty behind them to take their place if they want to move on elsewhere. 

I don't think many are going to lament the poor coach.

[Pakuni]

Coaches for the past few years have been talking about the changing game, outside influences, burnout, the fact that immediate eligibility waivers were being handed out like candy on Halloween (before everyone got a free transfer and handshake lines became a recruiting opportunity). I can't say if any of this will affect Shaka at all, but it is something that is changing the game and the trajectory of the coaching profession.

It's obviously changing the game, but the trajectory of the coaching profession? That assumes facts not in evidence, counselor.
Given the salaries handed out to football coaches the past couple of months, it seems the trajectory is only going way up.
Has there been a surge in non-retirement age coaches abandoning the profession?
And when have coaches not whined about outside influences?

[Uncle Rico]

It's obviously changing the game, but the trajectory of the coaching profession? That assumes facts not in evidence, counselor.
Given the salaries handed out to football coaches the past couple of months, it seems the trajectory is only going way up.
Has there been a surge in non-retirement age coaches abandoning the profession?
And when have coaches not whined about outside influences?

Never

[MUDPT]

This article shines some light on the Shaka stuff: https://madison.com/wsj/sports/college/basketball/men/racism-pervaded-shaka-smart-s-wisconsin-high-school-now-his-story-is-being-used-to/article_a384cce0-979e-562b-93cd-0a5cec00c0c9.html

[Jockey]

the one thing that could affect Shaka's long term commitment is the changing landscape of the NCAA and the college game. The new constitution is going to heavily favor the Power Five, and as much as the Big East wants to coin the term "Power Six" that isn't a thing. Just ask the AAC who tried to do that with football. The Power Five (official designation in the NCAA bylaws: Autonomy Conferences) will never let that happen.

Secondly, the shifting of power to student-athletes and greater influence out outside individuals. Having to re-recruit ones team every year before being able to recruit new players is already wearing on coaches. Players leave more often due to outside influences, not wanting to earn their playing time, etc. Poaching it out of control now that kids are eligible immediately. Coaches are feeling burnout sooner and with the money they're making it makes it easier for them to get out instead of dealing with the BS and still live a charmed life.

Things change ALL of the time. Some people cannot accept that - are even scared of change.

Those who are nimble and embrace/adjust to change quickly are the ones who are successful - whether you are talking sports or business or life.

[Uncle Rico]

Things change ALL of the time. Some people cannot accept that - are even scared of change.

Those who are nimble and embrace/adjust to change quickly are the ones who are successful - whether you are talking sports or business or life.

Embrace change, huh

[MU82]

The NCAA has different bylaws for the "Autonomy Conferences" which are the Power Five. Even though the Big East has proven their chops the Power Five/Autonomy Conferences don't want to share the spotlight or revenue. Money will be a huge factor for not just NIL but also Alston.

Coaches for the past few years have been talking about the changing game, outside influences, burnout, the fact that immediate eligibility waivers were being handed out like candy on Halloween (before everyone got a free transfer and handshake lines became a recruiting opportunity). I can't say if any of this will affect Shaka at all, but it is something that is changing the game and the trajectory of the coaching profession.

Re the first part, I guess we'll see soon enough.

Re the second ... coaches always think they're the only ones who should have total freedom of movement and influence. They think nothing of "quitting" on their teams to improve their lots in life, but as soon as a player wants to do similar, it's "These kids today ... "

[Herman Cain]

Shaka must be the odds on favorite at this point for BECOY and if we can keep this level of success he'll have to be in the convo for National COY.

If the success builds game on game and year on year does he make MU his forever home? I think that prospect excites me as much or more as the hope for some NCAA success over the next few seasons.

MU was not a forever home for Al.

I am bullish on Shaka and hope he and his family enjoy MU and Milwaukee and stay as long as possible .

[warriorchick]

MU was not a forever home for Al.

It was as far as coaching was concerned.

[MU82]

It was as far as coaching was concerned.

Only because Marquette wouldn't let him take the Bucks job.

[warriorchick]

Only because Marquette wouldn't let him take the Bucks job.

Pretty sure that was more about how the University was treating him re: compensation than an actual desire to do something different.

[MU82]

Pretty sure that was more about how the University was treating him re: compensation than an actual desire to do something different.

OK thanks.

[dgies9156]

Pretty sure that was more about how the University was treating him re: compensation than an actual desire to do something different.

Not sure I agree with this.

I suspect the Bucks job was a chance to build a program from the ground up. For Al, he could repeat what he did in college. Second, look who came in the second year — Kareem. That was going to happen with or without Al McGuire. A chance to coach Kareem — wow!

[4everwarriors]

Nah Ma, if you studied Al, it was about reaching the mountain top of the profession, hey?

[Goose]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that Al was really interested in the Buck's job. It was not a ploy for more money, regardless of how much loved money.

[GOO]

Yeah, if Shaka continues to be successful, $$ won't be the reason he gets away.  When you look at the money it took to move on from Wojo and bring Shaka in, there's enough money there to make sure that MU can match pretty much any offer that would come in.

Who were/are the big dollar supporters of MU ball and MU now. I used to know, but haven’t really heard as of late.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Nah Ma, if you studied Al, it was about reaching the mountain top of the profession, hey?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that Al was really interested in the Buck's job. It was not a ploy for more money, regardless of how much loved money.

I mean, his quote afterwards was “The priests at Marquette take a vow of poverty and they expect you to abide by it.”  So I kinda think it was at least in part about money.

Anyway, it worked out for both the Bucks and Marquette.

[Scoop Snoop]

I mean, his quote afterwards was “The priests at Marquette take a vow of poverty and they expect you to abide by it.”  So I kinda think it was at least in part about money.

Anyway, it worked out for both the Bucks and Marquette.

Another quote from Gasaway's book was Al's "Jesuit reply" when he was being coaxed to rescind his decision to choose the NIT over the NCAA bid: "I don't hear confessions, and you don't run this team."

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Another quote from Gasaway's book was Al's "Jesuit reply" when he was being coaxed to rescind his decision to choose the NIT over the NCAA bid: "I don't hear confessions, and you don't run this team."

Yeah, that would never work today.  And it was a bad decision even then.