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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: brewcity77 on October 24, 2012, 03:21:54 PM
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Per multiple sources on Twitter, Joel Embiid will visit Marquette Nov 2-3, and it sounds like it will be his final visit with a decision coming in November. Among the events that weekend include Marquette's home scrimmage with George Mason and the Bucks home opener, though I'm not sure if Embiid's mentor, Luc Richard Mbah a Moute, will be healthy enough to play.
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Hmmm, this is good right? Sounds like it could be good.
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Seeing that he supposedly was here in the summer, gotta think Buzz has it all goin' on.
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I heard he spent quite a bit of time here over the summer and liked it. Know we are against some big guns but would be disappointed if we did not land him.
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For him to add Marquette at this late date is great news and shows that Buzz is working the recruitment VERY hard. Jujuan Johnson is announcing on November 2. It could turn out to be a HUGE weekend for the future of Marquette basketball.
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For him to add Marquette at this late date is great news and shows that Buzz is working the recruitment VERY hard. Jujuan Johnson is announcing on November 2. It could turn out to be a HUGE weekend for the future of Marquette basketball.
Small point, but he is not ADDING Marquette. MU has been on his list for just about as long as anyone else and made it to his final 5 list when he cut it down earlier this fall.
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Good news! Hope for the best! How do we handle a 17 person roster?
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"He's not coming here"
--Kenosha Warrior
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Lets worry about the roster problems later.
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Having the visit added at this late date shortly before his announcement -- getting positive vibes.
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This has probably been discussed but if we add Embiid and Johnson how many have to not make it to campus that are currently scheduled to come?
Let me also add I dont care who doesn't show up or why they don't show up, i'm just interested.
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Good news! Hope for the best! How do we handle a 17 person roster?
As of right now, MU has 12 scholies committed for the 2013-14 season, leaving one open for Embiid (or Johnson).
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Is that assuming Otule stays?
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"He's not coming here"
--Kenosha Warrior
In regards to DeJuan Johnson not Emblid
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Is that assuming Otule stays?
Nope.
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Is that assuming Otule stays?
No. But now the story is he may not stay for his senior season, or go to Europe, or....oh forget it just figure it out later. Seems to be the theme. MU would be 2 over if they both signed.
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2013-14 Scholarships
Seniors (3): J. Wilson, Gardner, Blue
Juniors (4): Mayo, De. Wilson, McKay, Anderson
Sophomores (2): Ferguson, Taylor
Freshmen (3): Burton, Du. Wilson, Dawson
So that's 12. Adding Johnson and Embiid would put us one over. If Otule returned on scholarship, that would put us 2 over. That said, I think you take both if you can. Worry about the details later.
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Getting Embiid would be much bigger than finally grabbing an elite big man. If he has success it paves the way for future elite big men and puts us into the ranks of perennial final four contenders based on our usual guard play.
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Getting Embiid would be much bigger than finally grabbing an elite big man. If he has success it paves the way for future elite big men and puts us into the ranks of perennial final four contenders based on our usual guard play.
I think it would help our recruitment of Stone tremendously
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What's the significance, if any, of Embiid visiting the same day Johnson is set to announce?
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Agreed, jeffrey. I've never thought Gardner was NBA quality, but if he could trim down to 265 with his offensive skillset, who knows? If there's room in the league for decidedly under-the-rim players like Glen Davis and Dejuan Blair, maybe Big Smoove could make it for a few years. If he and Embiid could get to the league, especially if Jojo was as good as advertised and could be an early-entry lottery player, it would likely do wonders to Buzz's ability to recruit top-50 big men.
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Lets worry about the roster problems later.
Hilarious. If Pitino was doing this, this board would be tearing him apart.
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Hilarious. If Pitino was doing this, this board would be tearing him apart.
Except in this case, there is no roster problem. MU has an open scholarship to give Embiid.
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Agreed, jeffrey. I've never thought Gardner was NBA quality,
TallTitan disagrees.
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No. But now the story is he may not stay for his senior season, or go to Europe, or....oh forget it just figure it out later. Seems to be the theme. MU would be 2 over if they both signed.
Can anyone explain what Otule's actual eligibility situation is right now. I'm confused with his redshirts and injuries and everything I just want to clarify what he has done and what he still can do.
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Can anyone explain what Otule's actual eligibility situation is right now. I'm confused with his redshirts and injuries and everything I just want to clarify what he has done and what he still can do.
He can play this season (his fifth) and next season (his sixth).
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Can anyone explain what Otule's actual eligibility situation is right now. I'm confused with his redshirts and injuries and everything I just want to clarify what he has done and what he still can do.
Otule is eligible for a 6th year, but it has not yet been decided by him whether he wants a 6th year of college (at least as a basketball player), or by Marquette whether they want him back for a 6th year of college (at least as a scholarship athlete).
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Hilarious. If Pitino was doing this, this board would be tearing him apart.
If?
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Alright thanks Pakuni and Bocephys
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Who's reporting this?
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What's the significance, if any, of Embiid visiting the same day Johnson is set to announce?
Bingo
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If anything it makes more feel like johnson isn't coming here and buzz knows that
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Can anyone explain what Otule's actual eligibility situation is right now. I'm confused with his redshirts and injuries and everything I just want to clarify what he has done and what he still can do.
Otule is a fifth year senior that will be graduating in December, then beginning grad school at Marquette in January. He reportedly has already been granted his sixth year waiver because of injuries and how far he's come in coursework.
Senior this year and eligible to continue playing as a senior next year.
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As said, Otule may or may not want to play his 6th year. MU will have given him 5 years and a degree. I don't think MU owes him a 6th year so he can complete grad school. If he wants to come back and MU wants him back, great. You don't hold a scholarship for someone who has graduated and MAY want to come back DEPENDING upon a number of things.
If he wants to come back, and we are full, he can always pay his way for a year... and he would probably only have to take 2 courses each semester, not real expensive.
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If he wants to come back, and we are full, he can always pay his way for a year... and he would probably only have to take 2 courses each semester, not real expensive.
I've thought about this as well. Does anyone know the cost for six credits of graduate classes? What about lodging?
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As said, Otule may or may not want to play his 6th year. MU will have given him 5 years and a degree. I don't think MU owes him a 6th year so he can complete grad school. If he wants to come back and MU wants him back, great. You don't hold a scholarship for someone who has graduated and MAY want to come back DEPENDING upon a number of things.
If he wants to come back, and we are full, he can always pay his way for a year... and he would probably only have to take 2 courses each semester, not real expensive.
Seriously? Drink much MU Kool Aid? You don't think MU owes him a 6th year? He's done nothing but work hard, improve and suffer through 2 painful season ending injuries. It's comical how ridiculous most people on this board are when it comes to cutting scholarships and sending kids packing. A few months ago everyone was excited at the fact O'Tule may be granted a sixth year, now there is a top prospect considering the school and you can't wait til he leaves. You're a bunch of frauds. Let's be honest, if both kids committ Dawson won't be here and either otule or someone else will be run off, and so on and so forth. That's fine if this is the way High major CBB is, but let's not act like we're much different then other schools doing similar things.
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This is incredible, incredible, incredible news. Weather his visit to Florida this weekend, continue to hope that Self/KU don't make a push, and knock it outta the park with his visit in early November.
Holy crap this would be huge.
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Any chance Luc Richard becomes this kid's legal guardian and pays his way?
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If anything it makes more feel like johnson isn't coming here and buzz knows that
Embiid fills a much bigger need (pun intended) so if works out that way I am absolutely fine with that.
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Seriously? Drink much MU Kool Aid? You don't think MU owes him a 6th year? He's done nothing but work hard, improve and suffer through 2 painful season ending injuries. It's comical how ridiculous most people on this board are when it comes to cutting scholarships and sending kids packing. A few months ago everyone was excited at the fact O'Tule may be granted a sixth year, now there is a top prospect considering the school and you can't wait til he leaves. You're a bunch of frauds. Let's be honest, if both kids committ Dawson won't be here and either otule or someone else will be run off, and so on and so forth. That's fine if this is the way High major CBB is, but let's not act like we're much different then other schools doing similar things.
A lot of "ifs" and I'm not sure Marquette gets one of these recruits, let alone both.
One thing I will say is that I think John Dawson was the steal of this class and will end to be a very good player at Marquette.
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Why do we care about a stud recruit if Buzz already has a arrangement to leave after this season?
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MU can legally oversign one, not two. JJJ said he will verbal now but not sign till the Spring. That solves the issue for now. VB, Mayo or Otule can decide to turn pro. Chris can decide not to play and become a graduate assistant to continue his free tuition. A current recruit can sign a Grant in Aid. All sorts of wiggle room, but I am sure Buzz has a heads up for it all. Huge chess master play for the Buzzman.
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MU can legally oversign one, not two. JJJ said he will verbal now but not sign till the Spring. That solves the issue for now. VB, Mayo or Otule can decide to turn pro. Chris can decide not to play and become a graduate assistant to continue his free tuition. A current recruit can sign a Grant in Aid. All sorts of wiggle room, but I am sure Buzz has a heads up for it all. Huge chess master play for the Buzzman.
These are good problems to have.
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Seriously? Drink much MU Kool Aid? You don't think MU owes him a 6th year? He's done nothing but work hard, improve and suffer through 2 painful season ending injuries. It's comical how ridiculous most people on this board are when it comes to cutting scholarships and sending kids packing. A few months ago everyone was excited at the fact O'Tule may be granted a sixth year, now there is a top prospect considering the school and you can't wait til he leaves. You're a bunch of frauds. Let's be honest, if both kids committ Dawson won't be here and either otule or someone else will be run off, and so on and so forth. That's fine if this is the way High major CBB is, but let's not act like we're much different then other schools doing similar things.
Wrong. I would agree with you if he didn't have his degree and we were talking a 5th year. Expecting a school to hold a position for a 6th year that you MAY decide to play as a grad school student goes way behind what any player should expect. My guess is that we will all hope he comes back and Buzz hopes he comes back. To consider it MU's duty is just wrong in so many ways. I guess I still think it is about the degree first and foremost.
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Hilarious. If Pitino was doing this, this board would be tearing him apart.
Actually, the reality is that I started a thread on that topic about three weeks ago that resulted in a collective yawn from the board.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=33726.0 (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=33726.0)
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I'm givin' Murray an "atta boy" award.
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Does Marquette owe its players 4 years? Absolutely. 5 years? Maybe. 6 years? At this point I'm sure his parents would kick him out of the house and push him towards better things.
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2 courses in the Grad school is probably around 6,000 per semester. MU (as we all know) is very pricey. So this aint just a drop in the bucket.
I'm currently in the sports leadership masters program which is what i'm sure he would be enrolled in and it's about 2,900 per 3 credit class.
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I'm currently in the sports leadership masters program.
Is that taught by LW?
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2 courses in the Grad school is probably around 6,000 per semester. MU (as we all know) is very pricey. So this aint just a drop in the bucket.
I'm currently in the sports leadership masters program which is what i'm sure he would be enrolled in and it's about 2,900 per 3 credit class.
Thanks. Not at all cheap, but not astronomical if he goes the student loan route. One year on loans, then finish the program gratis as a grad assistant, or play overseas to pay it off. $12-15K would be a lot cheaper than most of us walked out of Marquette with.
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Seriously people? You want to kick Otule to the curb? If he wants to come back you welcome him with open arms. A sixth year senior anchoring the post would be huge. Plus he is a wonderful teammate. Don't be so callous.
There are a number of scenarios. Someone leaves for academic or playing time reasons. Someone doesn't qualify. Someone doesn't sign their NLI. Buzz hasn't over signed before but now he might. By two. I'm sure there is a solid reason behind that decision.
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Can someone post a link to where it says Embiid is visiting? I haven't been able to find anything.
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Bieberhole- you can't find anything about it because it's another one of paint touches' bogus reports. Just like how Jajuan Johnson was REALLY CLOSE to committing to #MUBB back on October 12th.
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Bieberhole- you can't find anything about it because it's another one of paint touches' bogus reports. Just like how Jajuan Johnson was REALLY CLOSE to committing to #MUBB back on October 12th.
5993 makes a good point.
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Bieberhole is still my favorite handle ever
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Bieberhole is still my favorite handle ever
And your avatar is still my favorite of all.
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There are a number of scenarios. Someone leaves for academic or playing time reasons. Someone doesn't qualify. Someone doesn't sign their NLI. Buzz hasn't over signed before but now he might. By two. I'm sure there is a solid reason behind that decision.
Agree completely. One way or another, there will be room.
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Bieberhole- you can't find anything about it because it's another one of paint touches' bogus reports. Just like how Jajuan Johnson was REALLY CLOSE to committing to #MUBB back on October 12th.
It was brought up elsewhere before I ever started reading it from Marquette sites.
It's real enough that Florida fans are very irritated that they're not getting the last official visit from this kid.
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Bieberhole- you can't find anything about it because it's another one of paint touches' bogus reports. Just like how Jajuan Johnson was REALLY CLOSE to committing to #MUBB back on October 12th.
I wouldn't call rivals a bogus report...
"No," he said simply when asked if UF had an advantage. "I don't have any leaders. They say that because I'm so close (to Florida) but if I think Kansas, or Texas, or Virginia, or Florida, are best for me, that is the school I am going to choose."
Embiid heads to check out the Gators this weekend for his fourth official visit. Regardless of how that trip goes, it won't be his last.
With all but one of his trips under his belt after this weekend, Embiid said he plans to take one more.
"Marquette," he said. "I want to see them, too," adding that the visit to see the Golden Eagles is scheduled as of now for November 2-3.
The only way he'll make a decision then is if Marquette blows him away. If not, he'll take some time. But not too much.
"I want to sign early," Embiid added.
As he continues his way through his official visits and delves deeper into the recruiting process, Embiid says he can't really believe some of what he's been able to see so far.
"I'm ready to make my dream come true," he added. "It's kind of crazy."
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Bieberhole- you can't find anything about it because it's another one of paint touches' bogus reports. Just like how Jajuan Johnson was REALLY CLOSE to committing to #MUBB back on October 12th.
Gee, Strotty did find a link and post in another thread.
http://virginia.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1426555
Embiid heads to check out the Gators this weekend for his fourth official visit. Regardless of how that trip goes, it won't be his last.
With all but one of his trips under his belt after this weekend, Embiid said he plans to take one more.
"Marquette," he said. "I want to see them, too," adding that the visit to see the Golden Eagles is scheduled as of now for November 2-3.
The only way he'll make a decision then is if Marquette blows him away. If not, he'll take some time. But not too much.
"I want to sign early," Embiid added.
So, I guess that this is just a false post from you.
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Well done. Very glad he's coming for a visit.
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Well done. Very glad he's coming for a visit.
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Marquette doesn't "owe" any athlete any number of seasons. As we have seen over and over, scholarships are annual.
That being said, if Otule stays healthy and is as productive as I think he can be this season, why the heck wouldn't Marquette want a mature, 6-foot-11, shotblocking team leader for one more season?
What? We've had too many quality big men in recent years?
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Marquette doesn't "owe" any athlete any number of seasons. As we have seen over and over, scholarships are annual.
I think that's pretty horses**t way to look at Marquette Basketball scholarships. Now if a player comes to Milwaukee and has bad grades, doesn't work hard, gets into legal trouble I agree with you. But by all accounts Otule has been a great member of the program and is "owed" to be treated with integrity. It reminds me of the Mboa situation, kid moves across the world to come to college and Marquette decides they don't have a spot for him and send him packing. For a school who's tagline is "be the difference" I think it's extremely hypocritical. Buzz says when he's recruiting he talks about faith, family, and academics before basketball. Seems fraudulent
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I think that's pretty horses**t way to look at Marquette Basketball scholarships. Now if a player comes to Milwaukee and has bad grades, doesn't work hard, gets into legal trouble I agree with you. But by all accounts Otule has been a great member of the program and is "owed" to be treated with integrity. It reminds me of the Mboa situation, kid moves across the world to come to college and Marquette decides they don't have a spot for him and send him packing. For a school who's tagline is "be the difference" I think it's extremely hypocritical. Buzz says when he's recruiting he talks about faith, family, and academics before basketball. Seems fraudulent
There was a little more to the Mbao story than you portray. Note that "doesn't work hard" is one of the circumstances by which you would agree to view a scholarship as annual in nature.
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I think that's pretty horses**t way to look at Marquette Basketball scholarships. Now if a player comes to Milwaukee and has bad grades, doesn't work hard, gets into legal trouble I agree with you. But by all accounts Otule has been a great member of the program and is "owed" to be treated with integrity. It reminds me of the Mboa situation, kid moves across the world to come to college and Marquette decides they don't have a spot for him and send him packing. For a school who's tagline is "be the difference" I think it's extremely hypocritical. Buzz says when he's recruiting he talks about faith, family, and academics before basketball. Seems fraudulent
Basketball at this level is a business. If the kids really want to stay in school at Marquette I'm sure they aren't kicked out of school. Their scholarship to play basketball is the only thing removed. They had the opportunity to play basketball well, and they didn't. Just like I'd lose my scholarship if I didn't perform well in my studies.
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I think that's pretty horses**t way to look at Marquette Basketball scholarships. Now if a player comes to Milwaukee and has bad grades, doesn't work hard, gets into legal trouble I agree with you. But by all accounts Otule has been a great member of the program and is "owed" to be treated with integrity. It reminds me of the Mboa situation, kid moves across the world to come to college and Marquette decides they don't have a spot for him and send him packing. For a school who's tagline is "be the difference" I think it's extremely hypocritical. Buzz says when he's recruiting he talks about faith, family, and academics before basketball. Seems fraudulent
yup...so you have to decide if you're going to give buzz the benefit of the doubt because like 99.9% of the world...we have no clue what truly played out in that situation.
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There was a little more to the Mbao story than you portray. Note that "doesn't work hard" is one of the circumstances by which you would agree to view a scholarship as annual in nature.
Ok, maybe I don't know the whole story. There are other examples but I don't want to steer this off course.
@Hards_Alumni: That's fine, then be up front about it. How many articles have I read that Buzz rarely talks basketball with parents. It's all about family, faith, and becoming a man. If you then pull a scholarship, or remove a scholarship then I believe that's fraudulent.
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Ok, maybe I don't know the whole story. There are other examples but I don't want to steer this off course.
@Hards_Alumni: That's fine, then be up front about it. How many articles have I read that Buzz rarely talks basketball with parents. It's all about family, faith, and becoming a man. If you then pull a scholarship, or remove a scholarship then I believe that's fraudulent.
It's a two-way street. Buzz will work hard for the player, if the player works hard for him.
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I think that's pretty horses**t way to look at Marquette Basketball scholarships. Now if a player comes to Milwaukee and has bad grades, doesn't work hard, gets into legal trouble I agree with you. But by all accounts Otule has been a great member of the program and is "owed" to be treated with integrity. It reminds me of the Mboa situation, kid moves across the world to come to college and Marquette decides they don't have a spot for him and send him packing. For a school who's tagline is "be the difference" I think it's extremely hypocritical. Buzz says when he's recruiting he talks about faith, family, and academics before basketball. Seems fraudulent
When someone transfers I bet that Buzz does everything he can to help the kid land on his feet and end up at a school that is both a good situation for the kid and school. He most likely helped Mboa with his transfer to Marshall where he still will play basketball and graduate with a college degree.
Its not like Buzz just goes up to the kid and says: "hey you didn't perform the way we thought you would, see ya later and good luck" and thats that. I remeber reading something that says he still keeps in touch with Pat Hazel, so that says something about Buzz helping them out as people not just ballers.
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If you then pull a scholarship, or remove a scholarship then I believe that's fraudulent.
I have very little doubt that recruits are made aware that they won't just be handed a scholarship for 4 years, but that they have to earn it and put in hard work for 4 years to continue earning it. Being handed a scholarship isn't the end of the requirement to work hard, it's the beginning of the requirement to work hard.
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Ok, maybe I don't know the whole story. There are other examples but I don't want to steer this off course.
@Hards_Alumni: That's fine, then be up front about it. How many articles have I read that Buzz rarely talks basketball with parents. It's all about family, faith, and becoming a man. If you then pull a scholarship, or remove a scholarship then I believe that's fraudulent.
So, if I read this correctly, you are calling Buzz a fraud, saying that he misrepresents what he true priorities are regarding the players in his program. Correct?
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Ok, maybe I don't know the whole story. There are other examples but I don't want to steer this off course.
@Hards_Alumni: That's fine, then be up front about it. How many articles have I read that Buzz rarely talks basketball with parents. It's all about family, faith, and becoming a man. If you then pull a scholarship, or remove a scholarship then I believe that's fraudulent.
Unfortunately, I'm with you on this one.
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Okay...question for esoteric and LAZER: If my kid is admitted to Marquette on a full academic scholarship, then struggles to adapt, carries a 1.8 GPA, and is spending more time drinking and partying than studying, and Marquette pulls the scholarship that has a requirement written in that he maintain a 3.5 GPA, would you blame Marquette and say that they owe it to him and that the university was being fraudulent?
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Okay...question for esoteric and LAZER: If my kid is admitted to Marquette on a full academic scholarship, then struggles to adapt, carries a 1.8 GPA, and is spending more time drinking and partying than studying, and Marquette pulls the scholarship that has a requirement written in that he maintain a 3.5 GPA, would you blame Marquette and say that they owe it to him and that the university was being fraudulent?
No, but that's far from an apples-to-apples comparison.
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Okay...question for esoteric and LAZER: If my kid is admitted to Marquette on a full academic scholarship, then struggles to adapt, carries a 1.8 GPA, and is spending more time drinking and partying than studying, and Marquette pulls the scholarship that has a requirement written in that he maintain a 3.5 GPA, would you blame Marquette and say that they owe it to him and that the university was being fraudulent?
I don't think that's a fair analogy. What if Marquette offers your kid that scholarship, but says to him: "We have academic requirements, of course, but we're more interested in you becoming a well-rounded person than being a kid who holes himself up studying 22 hours a day. So we want you to join a handful of student organizations and do some community service and so on and et cetera," and your kid does those all those things, but then only pulls a 3.2 GPA, and he gets called in and is told: "Well, we told you there were strict academic requirements. We'll do our best to help you transfer to another school."
Would that raise your eyebrows?
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I'm so glad everyone here is such an expert on what Buzz actually tells recruits and their parents. How can I get a chance to listen into such conversations?
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I'm so glad everyone here is such an expert on what Buzz actually tells recruits and their parents. How can I get a chance to listen into such conversations?
Well, it's what he said at the press conference where he was introduced as head coach:
What I want you to know is you have my commitment, that as the steward of this program, the face of this program is always, always, forever, going to be about the players in the program. And the players in the program will not be judged always in accordance with their skill set or their talent. They will always be judged as people, as young men first, as students second, and as players third. And the priorities in our program, the responsibilities within our program, will always be reflective of those things.
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Rubie, I think if a scholarship has qualifications and they aren't met, it's perfectly reasonable for the school to pull it.
Here's the issue people seem to have. When it comes to academic scholarships, it's okay to pull them because it's the professors grading the student's work and effort. When it comes to athletic scholarships, it's not okay to pull them because you are then allowing the coach to be the sole arbiter of the player's work and effort. It's the same thing, but for some inane reason, people want to hold the athletic department to a different standard.
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Rubie, I think if a scholarship has qualifications and they aren't met, it's perfectly reasonable for the school to pull it.
Here's the issue people seem to have. When it comes to academic scholarships, it's okay to pull them because it's the professors grading the student's work and effort. When it comes to athletic scholarships, it's not okay to pull them because you are then allowing the coach to be the sole arbiter of the player's work and effort. It's the same thing, but for some inane reason, people want to hold the athletic department to a different standard.
My only issue is: when Buzz says that the priorities of the program are the players, judged first as young men, second as students, and third as players, what am I supposed to make of it when somebody like Mbao leaves the program?
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Well, it's what he said at the press conference where he was introduced as head coach:
What I want you to know is you have my commitment, that as the steward of this program, the face of this program is always, always, forever, going to be about the players in the program. And the players in the program will not be judged always in accordance with their skill set or their talent. They will always be judged as people, as young men first, as students second, and as players third. And the priorities in our program, the responsibilities within our program, will always be reflective of those things.
Again, this reflects nothing what is said to players or parents during recruiting.
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Again, this reflects nothing what is said to players or parents during recruiting.
OK. How about this?
Wilson selected Marquette over other finalists Memphis and Missouri, and explained the reason why. "Coach Buzz Williams. Coach is a kind of guy that, when he was recruiting me, didn't talk about basketball, he talked about school, and what I wanted to do with my life after basketball. I really believe he will help me become a man."
http://www.brewcityball.com/forums/content.php?280-Dominican-s-Duane-Wilson-commits-to-Marquette-*Video*
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My only issue is: when Buzz says that the priorities of the program are the players, judged first as young men, second as students, and third as players, what am I supposed to make of it when somebody like Mbao leaves the program?
First as young men. Young men that need to show commitment and dedication. Young men that need to accept the responsibility and the work that comes with being awarded a Marquette scholarship. Young men that need to continue working hard every day if they want to keep earning that scholarship.
If Mbao wasn't dedicating himself fully to the program and giving it 100%, I'd say that you're judging him first as a young man based on effort and commitment. If the young man doesn't have what it takes to cut it here (Roseboro, Mbao) then you do what you can to help him find a home that might be more his speed. It's easy to say "Buzz ran them off because he didn't produce", but is that really the case? Juan averaged fewer minutes than Mbao but he's still here, and I suspect it's because of his tireless effort.
And honestly, how many situations have we had like Mbao? Smith and Maymon left early on despite getting PT. Jones and Williams seemed to be mutual decisions for guys that wanted bigger roles. Are we going to include guys that never got here, like Durley (didn't do what was necessary as a senior to earn the scholarship) or Newbill (more valid case than Mbao, IMHO, though the staff's side could never come out)?
Regardless...shouldn't this thread be a positive rather than a negative? We are getting Embiid for the visit we so badly wanted. There's no reason to think Buzz is going to run off a guy like CO who he's been loyal to in the past, as he didn't do it with Cubillan or Fulce, both of whom were arguably more disappointing coming into their final seasons at Marquette. This is more a case of everyone trying to surmise what will happen in 6 months than trusting the people that likely already know who will and won't be here.
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I'm so glad everyone here is such an expert on what Buzz actually tells recruits and their parents. How can I get a chance to listen into such conversations?
Knock up an athletic chick, wait 16 years, profit?
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I'm so glad everyone here is such an expert on what Buzz actually tells recruits and their parents. How can I get a chance to listen into such conversations?
I'm so glad you're such an expert on what happens at closed door practices, meetings, classes, etc. Aren't you assuming as much as the rest of us?
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My only issue is: when Buzz says that the priorities of the program are the players, judged first as young men, second as students, and third as players, what am I supposed to make of it when somebody like Mbao leaves the program?
when i heard he was leaving i figured he sat down with buzz at the end of the year and buzz told him he didn't think there was a chance in hell he'd ever get minutes at mu. is buzz helping mbao to be a better man by keeping him at mu, not getting him any playing time, and hindering his development? hell, i care a great deal about my employees, and they know it...and when one of them works hard but can't hack it i do all i can to help them find a new position that fits their talents.
buzz does no good keeping mbao around to sit on the bench...instead find him a program where he'll get more minutes/development, and hopefully he'll cash paycheck playing overseas a few years from now. also gets him an extra year of college. i hope buzz is real...i have my moments of doubt as well...but i'd certainly want proof before calling him a fraud or acting like i know he's being dishonest with players.
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Lol at all you guys who say that Buzz is a "fraud". Who gives a crap! It's all about winning..see Kentucky, see Duke, see UNC.
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I think Buzz's speech last night was very telling. He talked about how when he arrived he didn't think Cooby or Acker could play and that sub-6-foot guards would never make it on his team. He pointed out how he froze Cooby out after his ole defense against Tennessee.
Buzz emphasized how he was trying to run Cooby off, trying to get him to quit, and never wanted to give him a chance, while at the same time scanning the lists of unsigned recruits he could replace him with. Bear in mind as Buzz told this story, David Cubillan was sitting right in front of him.
As determined as Buzz was to prove to Cooby that he couldn't play, Cooby was intent to prove he was. With a depleted roster the next year, Buzz had no choice but to play him. And as the next season went on, against Xavier and Michigan and FSU in Orlando, Cooby proved he could play an proved to Buzz that height and recruiting rankings weren't the only factors by which a player is measured.
Buzz talked about how much he learned from Cooby, and I think that addresses much of what we're talking about here. If you put in the work, if you never give up, Buzz won't give up on you. A few years ago he would've. With Cooby, he tried to. But he's learned that there's more than just rankings, and Buzz conveyed that he now thrives on finding the guys others missed.
He's still growing as a coach and a person, but I feel good about the guy we have, and I really think he'll do what's best for his players, even if sometimes that means making a tough decision.
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I think Buzz's speech last night was very telling.
Buzz emphasized how he was trying to run Cooby off, trying to get him to quit, and never wanted to give him a chance, while at the same time scanning the lists of unsigned recruits he could replace him with. Bear in mind as Buzz told this story, David Cubillan was sitting right in front of him.
Buzz talked about how much he learned from Cooby, and I think that addresses much of what we're talking about here. If you put in the work, if you never give up, Buzz won't give up on you. A few years ago he would've. With Cooby, he tried to. But he's learned that there's more than just rankings, and Buzz conveyed that he now thrives on finding the guys others missed.
so you mean buzz didn't want cobby on the team, but yet cooby kept his scholarship...kind of puts a hole in the argument that buzz runs players off anytime he thinks he can do better.
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Thought Jajuan Johnson was suppose to announce on Friday, or was it another dream.
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Thought Jajuan Johnson was suppose to announce on Friday, or was it another dream.
November 2 IIRC
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Yep
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KW has already heard from him.
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I wonder if KW works for a satellite tv company?
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Considering the fact that when a recruit leaves a campus following an official visit without verbally committing to that school he will never be back on that school's campus (unless he is playing against them during his college career), then I guess we can just go ahead and celebrate Embiid's commitment to Marquette as a result of Marquette being his last official visit! I love people's reasoning on this board sometimes!
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So Embiid is visiting on Friday according to Dodds, Maybe Johnson can help out that visit if he announces Marquette that day and tries to get Joel to join him?
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So Embiid is visiting on Friday according to Dodds, Maybe Johnson can help out that visit if he announces Marquette that day and tries to get Joel to join him?
Like a number of posters on this site have come to conclude, if a recruit does not commit while on his official visit, he will never commit to that school. With Embiid having completed all of his official visits besides for Marquette without committing anywhere, he is ours. He can't possibly commit anywhere else. Look for the announcement on Monday.
Having said that, Johnson took his official to Marquette and he did not commit, so there is no chance that he is committing to Marquette. Seeing that he has taken all of his official visits and has yet to commit, let's take a look at the departing flights out of Memphis to see what European country Johnson will be traveling to to announce, on his official visit there, that he will be playing a year in (Greece/Rome/wherever he's flying to right now) before going to the NBA. He can't possibly be going to college...all of his officials have been completed and he did not commit anywhere while on campus.