Wichita State to the AAC

[brewcity77]

This is a straight up gross statement.

Also straight up ignorant. There's a reason Marquette students get MCTS bus passes. Not everyone lives on campus, and having bus access helps some students get to campus in the first place.

[GooooMarquette]

1.  Facts are beautiful things.  I did a little research on my lunch hour, and discovered that there were 6 Universities in the top 150 of USNR that opened up medical schools in the last decade.  I made a little table of how their rankings changed.

University          Med School Established   Ranking before Med School     Ranking in 2017        Spots Risen (Dropped)

UC Riverside               2008                                          96                       118                                 (22)
Virginia Tech            2008                                          71                        74                                    3
U of South Carolina    2012                                        115                       107                                    8
Arizona                    2012                                         124                       124                                    -
Texas                    2013                                          46                         56                                 (10)
Washington State    2015                                         138                       143                                   (5)

Yeah I am not seeing the 25-35 spot jump.

Establishing a new medical school is way different than continuing to maintain an existing one.  I think the better comparison would be the average ratings of the 20 (or 50 or whatever number you choose) top rated universities with medical schools vs the 20 top rated universities without medical schools.

[warriorchick]

Establishing a new medical school is way different than continuing to maintain an existing one.  I think the better comparison would be the average ratings of the 20 (or 50 or whatever number you choose) top rated universities with medical schools vs the 20 top rated universities without medical schools.

Correlation is not causation.

[GooooMarquette]

Correlation is not causation.

I never said it was.

I was just showing that your numbers related to establishing new medical schools are totally irrelevant to the discussion about the impact of MU cutting the med school loose.

[Herman Cain]

I never said it was.

I was just showing that your numbers related to establishing new medical schools are totally irrelevant to the discussion about the impact of MU cutting the med school loose.

I agree with this analysis.

[warriorchick]

I never said it was.

I was just showing that your numbers related to establishing new medical schools are totally irrelevant to the discussion about the impact of MU cutting the med school loose.

It was not economically feasible.  And seeing that more than half of the medical schools located at traditional universities are ranked lower than us, MUFINY is hard pressed to successfully argue that spinning off our medical school costs us 35 spots in the ranking.

Perhaps the both of you should actually read the criteria they use for the rankings.  I must be overlooking it, so please point out to me the factors that are even tangentially related to having a medical school.

[GooooMarquette]

It was not economically feasible.  And seeing that more than half of the medical schools located at traditional universities are ranked lower than us, MUFINY is hard pressed to successfully argue that spinning off our medical school costs us 35 spots in the ranking.

Perhaps the both of you should actually read the criteria they use for the rankings.  I must be overlooking it, so please point out to me the factors that are even tangentially related to having a medical school.

Perhaps you should reread my post...the purpose of which was simply to show that the ranking comparisons you used were totally worthless to make your point.

[warriorchick]

Perhaps you should reread my post...the purpose of which was simply to show that the ranking comparisons you used were totally worthless to make your point.

Whatever, dude. At least I supported my position with actual facts.

[Silkk the Shaka]

Also straight up ignorant. There's a reason Marquette students get MCTS bus passes. Not everyone lives on campus, and having bus access helps some students get to campus in the first place.

Agreed, ignorant putting it mildly

[GooooMarquette]

Whatever, dude. At least I supported my position with actual facts.

Actual irrelevant facts.  Congratulations.

[GGGG]

Establishing a new medical school is way different than continuing to maintain an existing one.  I think the better comparison would be the average ratings of the 20 (or 50 or whatever number you choose) top rated universities with medical schools vs the 20 top rated universities without medical schools.

Actually MUFINY said this:  "Our US News ranking , endowment and overall prestige of the University would have been much higher. I still think we should try and do all three."

So I think the supposition that warriorchick was working with was "restablishing" or "reacquiring" MCW would help Marquette's rankings. 

[GooooMarquette]

Actually MUFINY said this:  "Our US News ranking , endowment and overall prestige of the University would have been much higher. I still think we should try and do all three."

So I think the supposition that warriorchick was working with was "restablishing" or "reacquiring" MCW would help Marquette's rankings.

Reacquiring MCW still wouldn't be the same as starting a med school from scratch.  There are tons of lead-up costs - establishing NIH funding, building research programs and teaching faculty, etc.  MCW got established programs when it took over MU Med School, and MU would have a fully functioning med school if it reacquired MCW.  Not saying it's a good idea at this point, but it's a very different proposition than sticking a shovel in the ground and starting from nothing.

[GGGG]

Reacquiring MCW still wouldn't be the same as starting a med school from scratch.  There are tons of lead-up costs - establishing NIH funding, building research programs and teaching faculty, etc.  MCW got established programs when it took over MU Med School, and MU would have a fully functioning med school if it reacquired MCW.  Not saying it's a good idea at this point, but it's a very different proposition than sticking a shovel in the ground and starting from nothing.

Dude, you are kinda overthinking this.  All she was saying is that a medical school doesn't necessarily mean increased ratings. 

[warriorchick]

Dude, you are kinda overthinking this.  All she was saying is that a medical school doesn't necessarily mean increased ratings.

[Dawson Rental]

Reacquiring MCW still wouldn't be the same as starting a med school from scratch.  There are tons of lead-up costs - establishing NIH funding, building research programs and teaching faculty, etc.  MCW got established programs when it took over MU Med School, and MU would have a fully functioning med school if it reacquired MCW.  Not saying it's a good idea at this point, but it's a very different proposition than sticking a shovel in the ground and starting from nothing.

I do not believe that MCW is up for sale.  That being the case, starting a med school from scratch is pretty much the only option.

[GooooMarquette]

Dude, you are kinda overthinking this.  All she was saying is that a medical school doesn't necessarily mean increased ratings.

Actually, chick was the one overthinking it by throwing out facts that are irrelevant to MU's situation.   Why overthink it by throwing out facts that don't address the issue?

[GooooMarquette]

I do not believe that MCW is up for sale.  That being the case, starting a med school from scratch is pretty much the only option.

I'm sure that's true about MCW…but throwing an unsolicited offer at them would still make far more sense than trying to start from the ground up.  The latter option is so stupid it doesn't even warrant a discussion.

[willie warrior]

The guy in the gif looks like Pitino demonstrating how long his tryst lasted at Porcinis.

[4everwarriors]

3 secs. in da lane, hey?

[willie warrior]

3 secs. in da lane, hey?

Yup. That is when pitino earned wide notoriety as one that could drive it to the rim and finish quickly (but with no authority)

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

I'm sure that's true about MCW…but throwing an unsolicited offer at them would still make far more sense than trying to start from the ground up.  The latter option is so stupid it doesn't even warrant a discussion.

Locally, Quinnipiac University started a Med School 5-6 years ago. 

[Spotcheck Billy]

Locally, Quinnipiac University started a Med School 5-6 years ago. 

and how did that affect their USN&WR ranking?

[Newsdreams]

Locally, Quinnipiac University started a Med School 5-6 years ago.

And still have not been asked to join the BE

[Marcus92]

And still have not been asked to join the BE

I think the Big 10 is preparing an opening bid for entry as we speak.

[B. McBannerson]

1.  Facts are beautiful things.  I did a little research on my lunch hour, and discovered that there were 6 Universities in the top 150 of USNR that opened up medical schools in the last decade.  I made a little table of how their rankings changed.

University          Med School Established   Ranking before Med School     Ranking in 2017        Spots Risen (Dropped)

UC Riverside               2008                                          96                       118                                 (22)
Virginia Tech            2008                                          71                        74                                    3
U of South Carolina    2012                                        115                       107                                    8
Arizona                    2012                                         124                       124                                    -
Texas                    2013                                          46                         56                                 (10)
Washington State    2015                                         138                       143                                   (5)

Yeah I am not seeing the 25-35 spot jump.

2.  I have never seen or heard an opinion by anyone remotely connected to Marquette campus security that believes closing Wisconsin Avenue would improve security.  If they did that, there are places on campus where the closet patrol car would always be several blocks away and well out of the line of sight of anyone in a patrol car.  Who are these "campus security" types of whom you speak? 

3.  Having a money-sucking sport like football would take resources away from academic programs, and likely slow the growth of the endowment, and that is definitely something that would negatively impact our ranking.

Agree with you on football.

Medical school can add prestige, but no guarantees.  What it can also do is cycle through future high earners who give back to the school, endowments increase.

Security, are you saying crime will increase, or it may increase?  Feels like a mixed bag.  Safer as a result due to no traffic (car \ pedestrian issues).  May take longer for security to arrive, but a campus our size not much longer.