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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: MarquetteMike1977 on April 29, 2020, 06:04:33 PM
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Per Joe Lunardi
April 28, 2020
1 Seed Villanova
3 Seed Creighton
10 Seed Marquette
11 Seed UConn
11 Seed Seton Hall
11 Seed Providence
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Creighton overrated. UConn underrated. St John's really underrated.
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Per Joe Lunardi
April 28, 2020
1 Seed Villanova
3 Seed Creighton
10 Seed Marquette
11 Seed UConn
11 Seed Seton Hall
11 Seed Providence
If Carton is eligible, MU will be a little higher than a 10. Creighton at 3 definitely a stretch. Gtown might be better than anticipated too.
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If Cooley manages a ncaa appearance this season, I will be very impressed
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If none of those Creighton guys return they aren't making the tournament
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Per Joe Lunardi
April 28, 2020
1 Seed Villanova
3 Seed Creighton
10 Seed Marquette
11 Seed UConn
11 Seed Seton Hall
11 Seed Providence
And yet the BE listed as only getting 5 in.
UCONN to the Big East is a well kept secret from ESPN.... in Connecticut. Very professional.
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If none of those Creighton guys return they aren't making the tournament
And if they do come back, I could see them in the Final Four.
Rich people problems I wish MU had.
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And yet the BE listed as only getting 5 in.
UCONN to the Big East is a well kept secret from ESPN.... in Connecticut. Very professional.
UCONN isn't a member of the Beast yet, when they are, it will be reflected accordingly.
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And if they do come back, I could see them in the Final Four.
Rich people problems I wish MU had.
Alexander is already gone. Needed him for Final Four run imo.
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UCONN isn't a member of the Beast yet, when they are, it will be reflected accordingly.
I thought it was a projection of next years Tournament. So is UCONN's move to the BE less predictable than the teams in the tourney?
I really don't care what ESPN does, it's a promotional network for their own content. I don't blame them but it is what it is.
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I thought it was a projection of next years Tournament. So is UCONN's move to the BE less predictable than the teams in the tourney?
I really don't care what ESPN does, it's a promotional network for their own content. I don't blame them but it is what it is.
I'm merely pointing out facts. Your post made it seem like some egregious error that Lunardi was still including UCONN as part of the AAC, when that is in fact the conference that they belong to. If his first post July 1st bracket still has them in the AAC, your "very professional" sarcastic line would have some more merit.
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Alexander is already gone. Needed him for Final Four run imo.
This. Alexander was the best all-around player in the Big East last season. If they lose one more of their key guys, they probably will have trouble making the tourney at all.
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This. Alexander was the best all-around player in the Big East last season. If they lose one more of their key guys, they probably will have trouble making the tourney at all.
Alexander was a mammoth, Vander Blue sized loss, but I think Davion Mintz was a bigger loss than people realize. Put up 9.7/3.0 the last time he played and was the guy who could insure there wasn't much dropoff at three positions when Zegarowski, Alexander, or Ballock go to the bench. Kind of like losing the contributions you'd expect from...2014 Jameel McKay.
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Alexander was a mammoth, Vander Blue sized loss, but I think Davion Mintz was a bigger loss than people realize. Put up 9.7/3.0 the last time he played and was the guy who could insure there wasn't much dropoff at three positions when Zegarowski, Alexander, or Ballock go to the bench. Kind of like losing the contributions you'd expect from...2014 Jameel McKay.
Agreed. Excellent point on Mintz.
I want our league to be great, but I can't deny that I'm happy to see Alexander gone!
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Alexander was a mammoth, Vander Blue sized loss, but I think Davion Mintz was a bigger loss than people realize. Put up 9.7/3.0 the last time he played and was the guy who could insure there wasn't much dropoff at three positions when Zegarowski, Alexander, or Ballock go to the bench. Kind of like losing the contributions you'd expect from...2014 Jameel McKay.
I'm interested to see how Mintz will play at kentucky
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I thought it was a projection of next years Tournament. So is UCONN's move to the BE less predictable than the teams in the tourney?
I really don't care what ESPN does, it's a promotional network for their own content. I don't blame them but it is what it is.
This notion espn is knowlingly not including uconn in this one list for god knows why seems like a real stretch to me. I dont think they care about the big east taking whatver away from them
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If Carton is eligible, MU will be a little higher than a 10. Creighton at 3 definitely a stretch. Gtown might be better than anticipated too.
What do you see in gtown. No one of note coming in. Yurt7 gone. Jagan gone. I think theyll be pretty damn bad unfortunately
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What do you see in gtown. No one of note coming in. Yurt7 gone. Jagan gone. I think theyll be pretty damn bad unfortunately
Have to agree with you. GT has the look of a last-place team.
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What do you see in gtown. No one of note coming in. Yurt7 gone. Jagan gone. I think theyll be pretty damn bad unfortunately
According to their version of Scoop (Casual Hoya), they are pretty high on their recruiting class, especially Jamari Sibley in addition to the 2 grad transfers Harris and Clark, I believe. .500 conf record was predicted by some. If so, that’s tourney potential. (A good Georgetown does more for the BE than say, a good Creighton. I hope Gtown is good, not at Marquette’s expense, but is good. I’ll bet even NickelDimer agrees.)
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According to their version of Scoop (Casual Hoya), they are pretty high on their recruiting class, especially Jamari Sibley in addition to the 2 grad transfers Harris and Clark, I believe. .500 conf record was predicted by some. If so, that’s tourney potential. (A good Georgetown does more for the BE than say, a good Creighton. I hope Gtown is good, not at Marquette’s expense, but is good. I’ll bet even NickelDimer agrees.)
I think that is vastly optimistic on their part. Taking a quick glance at the league, I felt there were four tiers. Villanova is alone at the top. UConn, St. John's, and Providence at a glance look like the next level and likely tourney teams. Then I think Marquette, Xavier, Creighton, and Seton Hall are in a logjam fighting for bids. Butler, Georgetown, and DePaul look like the bottom tier for me, though I'll admit the Bulldogs seem to have a knack for overachieving their on-paper talent (just like Providence in that second tier sometimes tends to underachieve).
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I think that is vastly optimistic on their part. Taking a quick glance at the league, I felt there were four tiers. Villanova is alone at the top. UConn, St. John's, and Providence at a glance look like the next level and likely tourney teams. Then I think Marquette, Xavier, Creighton, and Seton Hall are in a logjam fighting for bids. Butler, Georgetown, and DePaul look like the bottom tier for me, though I'll admit the Bulldogs seem to have a knack for overachieving their on-paper talent (just like Providence in that second tier sometimes tends to underachieve).
Anderson is a good coach. St Johns definitely will be in the mix at the top as you point out.
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This notion espn is knowlingly not including uconn in this one list for god knows why seems like a real stretch to me. I dont think they care about the big east taking whatver away from them
ESPN is not a BE fan. As for "God knows why" one wonders if it has anything to do with the FS1 deal.
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Pretty such they just overlooked it.
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Pretty such they just overlooked it.
Yup
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If Carton is eligible, MU will be a little higher than a 10. Creighton at 3 definitely a stretch. Gtown might be better than anticipated too.
Even if Carton is eligible, I will be surprised if MU makes the tourney. Wojo performs in-line with his pre-season projected computer numbers, and those have us solidly outside a bid with Carton factored in. He'll need another horse to get a 10 seed. Mane or a late grad transfer would do it.
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Even if Carton is eligible, I will be surprised if MU makes the tourney. Wojo performs in-line with his pre-season projected computer numbers, and those have us solidly outside a bid with Carton factored in. He'll need another horse to get a 10 seed. Mane or a late grad transfer would do it.
EFR ... I'm sure it's been posted somewhere, but which numbers project us in pergatory with Carton?
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Even if Carton is eligible, I will be surprised if MU makes the tourney. Wojo performs in-line with his pre-season projected computer numbers, and those have us solidly outside a bid with Carton factored in. He'll need another horse to get a 10 seed. Mane or a late grad transfer would do it.
Specific to Lunardi, doesn’t he factor in all metrics when making his forecast? Hence, his 10-seed for MU would be based on something measurable I would think.
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Even if Carton is eligible, I will be surprised if MU makes the tourney. Wojo performs in-line with his pre-season projected computer numbers, and those have us solidly outside a bid with Carton factored in. He'll need another horse to get a 10 seed. Mane or a late grad transfer would do it.
Hard to figure out projected numbers right now as there are like 200 kids in the draft and only 60 places drafted, so names will be coming off that list including Bailey
shortly, plus it seems there are new transfers everyday so rosters are still very fluid. I expect Mane to go to college as well, the longer the pandemic the better it is
for Mane to come to MU. I am sure Wojo will keep 1 scholarship open if he gets 1 more recruit, of course, that recruit might take Mane out of the picture.
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EFR ... I'm sure it's been posted somewhere, but which numbers project us in pergatory with Carton?
I suspect he is referring to Bart Torvik's T-Rank. There's a tool that lets you add a transfer to any roster and it calculates their ranking for the next season. IIRC, that tool puts us in the low 50s which is likely an NIT caliber team.
Personally, I think the tool is fun to play with, but less than accurate. It was pointed out that according to the tool, adding a player like Jose Perez makes the team worse. Unless the player is going to cause chemistry issues, there is no way adding a player over an empty scholarship should make a team worse.
Also, if you look at his rankings for all incoming transfers (so sit out transfers who sat out last season and grad transfers this season) he has some very odd rankings. Maybe he's right, but you'll never convince me that guys like Rich Kelly (#8) and Ian DuBose (#12) are better than guys like David Jenkins Jr (#13), Cartier Diarra (#25), Seth Towns (#33), Matt Haarms (#39), and DJ Carton (#41). Maybe he's moneyballing and seeing something that no one else sees, but I don't think he does a good enough job accounting for the level of competition that players faced when putting up big numbers.
http://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?link=y&year=trans&minmin=0&start=-11101&end=trans0501
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I suspect he is referring to Bart Torvik's T-Rank. There's a tool that lets you add a transfer to any roster and it calculates their ranking for the next season. IIRC, that tool puts us in the low 50s which is likely an NIT caliber team.
Personally, I think the tool is fun to play with, but less than accurate. It was pointed out that according to the tool, adding a player like Jose Perez makes the team worse. Unless the player is going to cause chemistry issues, there is no way adding a player over an empty scholarship should make a team worse.
I'm not sure about that. If the player is going to get minutes over more efficient players and the coach keeps running that player out regardless of what they are doing on the court, I certainly think it can make the team worse.
I get the on paper argument of "the coach will play the best players" but on more than one occasion, there's certainly reason to question whether that is truly the case.
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I'm not sure about that. If the player is going to get minutes over more efficient players and the coach keeps running that player out regardless of what they are doing on the court, I certainly think it can make the team worse.
I get the on paper argument of "the coach will play the best players" but on more than one occasion, there's certainly reason to question whether that is truly the case.
That isn't a case of the player making the team worse. That is a case of the coach making the team worse.
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I suspect he is referring to Bart Torvik's T-Rank. There's a tool that lets you add a transfer to any roster and it calculates their ranking for the next season. IIRC, that tool puts us in the low 50s which is likely an NIT caliber team.
Personally, I think the tool is fun to play with, but less than accurate. It was pointed out that according to the tool, adding a player like Jose Perez makes the team worse. Unless the player is going to cause chemistry issues, there is no way adding a player over an empty scholarship should make a team worse.
Also, if you look at his rankings for all incoming transfers (so sit out transfers who sat out last season and grad transfers this season) he has some very odd rankings. Maybe he's right, but you'll never convince me that guys like Rich Kelly (#8) and Ian DuBose (#12) are better than guys like David Jenkins Jr (#13), Cartier Diarra (#25), Seth Towns (#33), Matt Haarms (#39), and DJ Carton (#41). Maybe he's moneyballing and seeing something that no one else sees, but I don't think he does a good enough job accounting for the level of competition that players faced when putting up big numbers.
http://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?link=y&year=trans&minmin=0&start=-11101&end=trans0501
Thanks for the explanation.
I'll worry about what we're "supposed to do" once we get to October and we know both who is on our team and who is on all the other teams.
And even then, I don't worry about that stuff too much ... because unless there are still coronavirus issues, we do still get to actually play games, right? NCAA bids aren't decided by Torvik, last I heard.
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Specific to Lunardi, doesn’t he factor in all metrics when making his forecast? Hence, his 10-seed for MU would be based on something measurable I would think.
Not to my knowledge, Lunardi is simply a dart thrower.
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I suspect he is referring to Bart Torvik's T-Rank. There's a tool that lets you add a transfer to any roster and it calculates their ranking for the next season. IIRC, that tool puts us in the low 50s which is likely an NIT caliber team.
Personally, I think the tool is fun to play with, but less than accurate. It was pointed out that according to the tool, adding a player like Jose Perez makes the team worse. Unless the player is going to cause chemistry issues, there is no way adding a player over an empty scholarship should make a team worse.
Also, if you look at his rankings for all incoming transfers (so sit out transfers who sat out last season and grad transfers this season) he has some very odd rankings. Maybe he's right, but you'll never convince me that guys like Rich Kelly (#8) and Ian DuBose (#12) are better than guys like David Jenkins Jr (#13), Cartier Diarra (#25), Seth Towns (#33), Matt Haarms (#39), and DJ Carton (#41). Maybe he's moneyballing and seeing something that no one else sees, but I don't think he does a good enough job accounting for the level of competition that players faced when putting up big numbers.
http://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?link=y&year=trans&minmin=0&start=-11101&end=trans0501
Yes this is what I'm referring to. I'll wait to see final roster construction & pre-season KenPom rankings, but those are usually fairly closely aligned. And Wojo usually performs almost exactly in-line with pre-season KenPom.
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I think that is vastly optimistic on their part. Taking a quick glance at the league, I felt there were four tiers. Villanova is alone at the top. UConn, St. John's, and Providence at a glance look like the next level and likely tourney teams. Then I think Marquette, Xavier, Creighton, and Seton Hall are in a logjam fighting for bids. Butler, Georgetown, and DePaul look like the bottom tier for me, though I'll admit the Bulldogs seem to have a knack for overachieving their on-paper talent (just like Providence in that second tier sometimes tends to underachieve).
Creighton has their whole starting lineup other than Ty Shon Returning , and Denzel Mahoney Big East Sixth man of the year, plus Epperson coming back from Injury, and finally Antwan Jones the Memphis Transfer coming on line after sitting out a year. They are going to be very strong again.
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Creighton has their whole starting lineup other than Ty Shon Returning , and Denzel Mahoney Big East Sixth man of the year, plus Epperson coming back from Injury, and finally Antwan Jones the Memphis Transfer coming on line after sitting out a year. They are going to be very strong again.
Other than a potential First Team All-American and the surefire preseason Big East Player of the Year? Yeah, that's not a loss at all.
Mahoney and Jefferson both declared for the draft as well, I don't expect them to stay in, but it's not unthinkable one or both could. But the loss of Alexander (not to mention Mintz) is enough. He was the best returning two-way player in the country and it wasn't close.
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Other than a potential First Team All-American and the surefire preseason Big East Player of the Year? Yeah, that's not a loss at all.
I don't think he ever said it was not a loss.
Anyways, Creighton will be better than MU, and it won't be close.
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I don't think he ever said it was not a loss.
Anyways, Creighton will be better than MU, and it won't be close.
The cool thing is that, coronavirus willing, we'll actually get to see instead of firing off opinions.
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The cool thing is that, coronavirus willing, we'll actually get to see instead of firing off opinions.
Come on.. this is a fan board, this is where we fire off opinions.
I agree, who thought Creighton would have been on track for a 1 or 2 seed this year?
I hope MU makes the Tournament but I think it's unfair to Wojo and the players to expect it.
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Per Joe Lunardi
May 12, 2020
1 Seed Villanova
3 Seed Creighton
10 Seed UConn Last 4 Byes
11 Seed Marquette Last 4 Byes
11 Seed Seton Hall Last 4 In
Providence First Four Out
Butler Next Four Out
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Per Joe Lunardi
April 28, 2020
1 Seed Villanova
3 Seed Creighton
10 Seed Marquette
11 Seed UConn
11 Seed Seton Hall
11 Seed Providence
Per Joe Lunardi
May 12, 2020
1 Seed Villanova
3 Seed Creighton
10 Seed UConn Last 4 Byes
11 Seed Marquette Last 4 Byes
11 Seed Seton Hall Last 4 In
Providence First Four Out
Butler Next Four Out
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Per Joe Lunardi
May 12, 2020
1 Seed Villanova
3 Seed Creighton
10 Seed UConn Last 4 Byes
11 Seed Marquette Last 4 Byes
11 Seed Seton Hall Last 4 In
Providence First Four Out
Butler Next Four Out
That would be Wojo's best coaching job yet. Although I wouldn't bet on it, I'd gladly take it.
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We're in!
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We're in!
No doubt!
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Now we can say that Wojo has gotten us to the NCAA tourney 4 times in 5 years, right?
And given that we would have gotten to the Elite 8 this year, and we obviously will get to at least the Sweet 16 next season ... wow! ... what a coach!
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Now we can say that Wojo has gotten us to the NCAA tourney 4 times in 5 years, right?
And given that we would have gotten to the Elite 8 this year, and we obviously will get to at least the Sweet 16 next season ... wow! ... what a coach!
Arent u pro jo mike
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Arent u pro jo mike
I am a ShoMeMoJo.
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Per Joe Lunardi
May 12, 2020
1 Seed Villanova
3 Seed Creighton
10 Seed UConn Last 4 Byes
11 Seed Marquette Last 4 Byes
11 Seed Seton Hall Last 4 In
Providence First Four Out
Butler Next Four Out
Per Joe Lunardi
June 3, 2020
1 Seed Villanova
3 Seed Creighton
10 Seed UConn
11 Seed Marquette Last Four In
11 Seed Seton Hall Last Four In
Providence Next Four Out
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Per Joe Lunardi
June 3, 2020
1 Seed Villanova
3 Seed Creighton
10 Seed UConn
11 Seed Marquette Last Four In
11 Seed Seton Hall Last Four In
Providence Next Four Out
Per Joe Lunardi
June 24, 2020
1 Seed Villanova
3 Seed Creighton
10 Seed UConn Last Four Byes
11 Seed Marquette Last Four In
11 Seed Seton Hall Last Four In
Providence First Four Out
Butler Next Four Out
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Per Joe Lunardi
June 24, 2020
1 Seed Villanova
3 Seed Creighton
10 Seed UConn Last Four Byes
11 Seed Marquette Last Four In
11 Seed Seton Hall Last Four In
Providence First Four Out
Butler Next Four Out
Yeesh not a great year for preseason hype
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Yeesh not a great year for preseason hype
Good news if there isn’t a season
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Good news if there isn’t a season
Team redshirt
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Good news if there isn’t a season
That was my thought seeing the Badgers as a 2 seed.
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Creighton overrated. UConn underrated. St John's really underrated.
MU overrated.
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MU overrated.
You literally said you agreed with where MU is rated a couple minutes ago in a different thread. Be consistent at least.
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You literally said you agreed with where MU is rated a couple minutes ago in a different thread. Be consistent at least.
Agreeing with a guy who picks them 7th in the Big East conference and disagreeing with a different guy who has them a 10 seed in the NCAA tournament is not being inconsistent.
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Creighton overrated. UConn underrated. St John's really underrated.
MU is really a big time overreach here.
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MU is really a big time overreach here.
I totally agree with this.
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That was my thought seeing the Badgers as a 2 seed.
How can this be? BLM insisted that Gard was only effective because he had Bo Ryan's players. Last year Gard's team finished the season on an 8-0 run. And projected for a 2 seed next year? And we project 7th in an 11 team league in Year 7 of the mediocrity experiment of Wojo having "all his guys?" Say it aint so.
Clarification, BLM is not Black Lives Matter, literally, it is the poser formerly known as Wadesworld. Then again BLM is a more appropriate username for the guy who always gets the premise wrong.
Greg Gard has accomplished a lot with his own players. ::)
Here's another great thread with BLM once again so far off the mark:
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=56985.0
In that topic, this post really triggered BLM.
I also think Wojo is being judged "harshly" THIS SEASON so early into it, because of the lack of success of past seasons. Patience is wearing out.
You know what else is true? Greg F'in Gard is kicking Wojo's ass as a coach.
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How can this be? BLM insisted that Gard was only effective because he had Bo Ryan's players. Last year Gard's team finished the season on an 8-0 run. And projected for a 2 seed next year? And we project 7th in an 11 team league in Year 7 of the mediocrity experiment of Wojo having "all his guys?" Say it aint so.
Clarification, BLM is not Black Lives Matter, literally, it is the poser formerly known as Wadesworld. Then again BLM is a more appropriate username for the guy who always gets the premise wrong.
Here's another great thread with BLM once again so far off the mark:
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=56985.0
In that topic, this post really triggered BLM.
Beyond a 2 seed in a June Bracketology (congrats Greg!) and a couple Tourney wins with all of Bo Ryan’s players, what had Greg Gard accomplished? Pretty similar results to Wojo.
Let’s make a bet. UW over/under at a 2.5 for their NCAA Tournament seed. I take the over. You want the under? Charity of the winners choice benefits.
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Beyond a 2 seed in a June Bracketology (congrats Greg!) and a couple Tourney wins with all of Bo Ryan’s players, what had Greg Gard accomplished? Pretty similar results to Wojo.
Let’s make a bet. UW over/under at a 2.5 for their NCAA Tournament seed. I take the over. You want the under? Charity of the winners choice benefits.
Regular season Big Ten title this year.
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Regular season Big Ten title this year.
So he finished in a 3 way tie for first the year after Wojo finished alone in 2nd in the BE.
Again, pretty similar results to Wojo.
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A conference regular season championship, even if it is shared, is better than finishing second. Just what Marquette did in 2012-13.
You asked. I answered.
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A conference regular season championship, even if it is shared, is better than finishing second. Just what Marquette did in 2012-13.
You asked. I answered.
Yes. It’s better, but it’s not exactly “kicking Wojo’s ass” in coaching. It’s slightly better.
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Gard may have changed my mind after last year's finish. I thought with Kobe King transferring they would spiral but they pulled it together in a big way. I'm not as high on them this season as the national pundits are but we will see.
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Per Joe Lunardi
June 24, 2020
1 Seed Villanova
3 Seed Creighton
10 Seed UConn Last Four Byes
11 Seed Marquette Last Four In
11 Seed Seton Hall Last Four In
Providence First Four Out
Butler Next Four Out
Per Joe Lunardi
July 15, 2020
Pretty Much the same as June 24, 2020 except Creighton falls to a 4 Seed
1 Seed Villanova
4 Seed Creighton
10 Seed UConn Last Four Byes
11 Seed Marquette Last Four In
11 Seed Seton Hall Last Four In
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Wisco also had the easiest schedule in the B10 last year. It’s an accomplishment, but needs to be put in some context when you have an unbalanced schedule format.
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Not much has changed per Joe Lunardi Bracketology July 15, 2020
1 Seed Villanova
4 Seed Creighton
10 Seed UConn Last Four Byes
11 Seed Marquette Last Four In
11 Seed Seton Hall Last Four In
Providence First Four Out
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Not much has changed per Joe Lunardi Bracketology July 15, 2020
1 Seed Villanova
4 Seed Creighton
10 Seed UConn Last Four Byes
11 Seed Marquette Last Four In
11 Seed Seton Hall Last Four In
Providence First Four Out
10 U Conn
Lunardi failed to update them to the Big East
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Not much has changed per Joe Lunardi Bracketology July 15, 2020
1 Seed Villanova
4 Seed Creighton
10 Seed UConn Last Four Byes
11 Seed Marquette Last Four In
11 Seed Seton Hall Last Four In
Providence First Four Out
Clearly he has not been watching the Dex videos.
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Not much has changed per Joe Lunardi Bracketology July 15, 2020
1 Seed Villanova
4 Seed Creighton
10 Seed UConn Last Four Byes
11 Seed Marquette Last Four In
11 Seed Seton Hall Last Four In
Providence First Four Out
Minor Changes Per Joe Lunardi Bracketology July 29, 2020
1 Seed Villanova
3 Seed Creighton
10 Seed UConn Last Four Byes
11 Seed Seton Hall Last Four In
11 Seed Marquette Last Four In
Providence First Four Out
Creighton moves back to a 3 Seed. Marquette and Seton Hall “Trading Places” like the movie we watched in our Mr Krause MU Finance Class haha
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Minor Changes Per Joe Lunardi Bracketology July 29, 2020
1 Seed Villanova
3 Seed Creighton
10 Seed UConn Last Four Byes
11 Seed Seton Hall Last Four In
11 Seed Marquette Last Four In
Providence First Four Out
Creighton moves back to a 3 Seed. Marquette and Seton Hall “Trading Places” like the movie we watched in our Mr Krause MU Finance Class haha
Some more minor changes per Joe Lunardi August 10, 2020
1 Seed Villanova
3 Seed Creighton
9 Seed UConn
11 Seed Seton Hall Last of Last Four Byes
11 Seed Marquette First of Last Four In
11 Seed Providence Last of Last Four In
Some movement but not much
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Some more minor changes per Joe Lunardi August 10, 2020
1 Seed Villanova
3 Seed Creighton
9 Seed UConn
11 Seed Seton Hall Last of Last Four Byes
11 Seed Marquette First of Last Four In
11 Seed Providence Last of Last Four In
Some movement but not much
If the whole league comes out of the box strong in non con again, there could be a few more on the list.
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If the whole league comes out of the box strong in non con again, there could be a few more on the list.
the hell are the odds of a non con even happenin
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Some more minor changes per Joe Lunardi August 10, 2020
1 Seed Villanova
3 Seed Creighton
9 Seed UConn
11 Seed Seton Hall Last of Last Four Byes
11 Seed Marquette First of Last Four In
11 Seed Providence Last of Last Four In
Some movement but not much
Latest ESPN Bracketology
Marquette 12 Seed Last Four In playing USC in Dayton
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How can this be? BLM insisted that Gard was only effective because he had Bo Ryan's players. Last year Gard's team finished the season on an 8-0 run. And projected for a 2 seed next year? And we project 7th in an 11 team league in Year 7 of the mediocrity experiment of Wojo having "all his guys?" Say it aint so.
Clarification, BLM is not Black Lives Matter, literally, it is the poser formerly known as Wadesworld. Then again BLM is a more appropriate username for the guy who always gets the premise wrong.
Here's another great thread with BLM once again so far off the mark:
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=56985.0
In that topic, this post really triggered BLM.
excellent post. Well stated.
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You hoopalooped a post from June?
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Marquette is a #9 seed in Joe Lunardi’s ESPN Bracketology on December 8, 2020
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12 seed, 2nd to last team in. I have a strong feeling this doesn't include last night's win, though. He's usually a day or two late on seeding updates.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
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12 seed, 2nd to last team in. I have a strong feeling this doesn't include last night's win, though. He's usually a day or two late on seeding updates.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
We went from a 9 to a 12 for losing to UCLA. THis thing is gonna fluctuate a lot
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We went from a 9 to a 12 for losing to UCLA. THis thing is gonna fluctuate a lot
Yeah I don't get it. We went from receiving votes to no votes at all after losing a road game to a top 25 team. We lost a game we were supposed to lose. Makes no sense.
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This season is just going to further point out the flaws with this bracketology methodology. It can be fun, but it's just for clicks and shouldn't be taken seriously. When you make one preseason and then just slide teams up or down you can have the current situation of a 1 win UK team and a two top ten win MU team both on the bubble. This is why the actual committee doesn't start making their bracket until much further into the season.
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12 seed, 2nd to last team in. I have a strong feeling this doesn't include last night's win, though. He's usually a day or two late on seeding updates.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
POSTED/UPDATED on today, Dec 15th..... After MU over CU ! ! !
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It's December 15. "Bracketology" is worthless right now.
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It's December 15. "Bracketology" is worthless right now.
I do agree with your point it's worthless. I think it's the idea that we are one of two teams with two top 10 wins and yet we're last four in while the other is a 1 seed. Not saying we deserve a 1 but there's definitely something to be a little indignant over in the last 4 placement
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I do agree with your point it's worthless. I think it's the idea that we are one of two teams with two top 10 wins and yet we're last four in while the other is a 1 seed. Not saying we deserve a 1 but there's definitely something to be a little indignant over in the last 4 placement
It has to be an error. Lunardi probably turned it in before the game concluded. Only explanation. Marquette is at worst like 6-7 seed with those 2 wins. Probably higher.
That said - its completely meaningless info.
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I do agree with your point it's worthless. I think it's the idea that we are one of two teams with two top 10 wins and yet we're last four in while the other is a 1 seed. Not saying we deserve a 1 but there's definitely something to be a little indignant over in the last 4 placement
Don't be indignant over something that is worthless. Bad way to go through life.
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This season is just going to further point out the flaws with this bracketology methodology. It can be fun, but it's just for clicks and shouldn't be taken seriously. When you make one preseason and then just slide teams up or down you can have the current situation of a 1 win UK team and a two top ten win MU team both on the bubble. This is why the actual committee doesn't start making their bracket until much further into the season.
Agreed.
T-ranketology now which factors in resume, NET, ELO, and Wins Above Bubble has MU with the top 8 seed. The system also has us MU with the second best resume in the country, trailing only Missouri.
https://barttorvik.com/tranketology-now.php
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Don't be indignant over something that is worthless. Bad way to go through life.
I'm indignant over this remark.
But more seriously, there's a different between me being indignant over disrespect from an average bracketologist and indignant over getting passed up for a promotion. I can be indignant over both for the relative effect they have on my life just saying.
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POSTED/UPDATED on today, Dec 15th..... After MU over CU ! ! !
I don't think Lunardi is staying up late or waking up early to edit his brackets with the results from the night before. He likely writes them the day before they are posted and schedules them to be posted in the morning.
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I don't think Lunardi is staying up late or waking up early to edit his brackets with the results from the night before. He likely writes them the day before they are posted and schedules them to be posted in the morning.
This time of year, Lunardi is working up his brackets after doing the same thing Johnny B was doing the other night before posting on Scoop.
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Also I think some of his bracket has to do more so right now with where he thinks teams will end up.
THats about the only thing that can explain having 1-4 UK anywhere near the field....and even that still looks bad.
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Also I think some of his bracket has to do more so right now with where he thinks teams will end up.
THats about the only thing that can explain having 1-4 UK anywhere near the field....and even that still looks bad.
He's driving clicks. Bold opinions get them.
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Marquette next four out in today’s Bracketology
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Marquette next four out in today’s Bracketology
Respect the process.
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Lunardi moved us into his "Next Four Out" after last night's win. Seems to reinforce the idea that we'll likely be in if we can finish a few games above .500
https://twitter.com/ESPNLunardi/status/1349384631813083138
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Lunardi moved us into his "Next Four Out" after last night's win. Seems to reinforce the idea that we'll likely be in if we can finish a few games above .500
https://twitter.com/ESPNLunardi/status/1349384631813083138
Thank You for the Lunardi Update appreciate it. Jerry Palm has Marquette Listed in his First 4 Out in his January 15th Bracket Predictions on CBSSPORTS.COM
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https://bracketville.wordpress.com/bracketology/
Bracketville has MU in as the 2nd last bid before yesterday's win.
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BRACKETOLOGY WITH MIKE DECOURCY HAS MARQUETTE AS A 10 SEED IN TODAY’S FOX COLLEGE HOOPS
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BRACKETOLOGY WITH MIKE DECOURCY HAS MARQUETTE AS A 10 SEED IN TODAY’S FOX COLLEGE HOOPS
That's interesting because I'm pretty sure in his last update he didn't have Marquette in the field or even the first 8 out. All that's changed since then is winning at St. John's.
Just goes to show that some bracketologists are more scientific than others
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Optimism will not be tolerated.
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Jerry Palm has us in.
First four out in Lunardi's update today.
https://twitter.com/ESPNLunardi/status/1351244512111325187/photo/1
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Was it 13 wins or 13 games to qualify?
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Jerry Palm has us in.
First four out in Lunardi's update today.
https://twitter.com/ESPNLunardi/status/1351244512111325187/photo/1
Wonder if it was Dukes huge 10 point win over 4-8 Notre Dame, their thrilling nail biting one point win over 3-10 Boston College, or their convincing 11 point win over 3-5 Wake Forest that warrants them inclusion in Lunardis bracket.
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Was it 13 wins or 13 games to qualify?
13 games to qualify.
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https://twitter.com/ESPNLunardi/status/1351587468366196738?s=19
First Four out.