Oso planning to go pro
From what I've read the man will not face any charges because he hired (un)professional guides and it is actually legal to bait a lion off a preserve and kill it.
I hunt deer and turkey because both are delicious.
Anyone who has spent time in Germany knows how good venison is. I was stationed at Spangdahlem and the restaurants in that area all featured wild venison from the many nearby forests on their menu. One of the finest cuts of meat anywhere.
Good cut of meat when of quality and prepared correctly.Very hard to cook properly, small window or perfection.
Agreed on all accounts. Hell.... I actually agree with PETA on this one: "hunting is a coward's pastime."If you're hunting for food, then I have no beef with you; just remember your old friend Benny the next time you can't fit those last few venison steaks into your freezer. If your purpose in hunting is to help "cull the herd," then I also take no exception to your leisure. Heck, I'll even recognize the camaraderie and family bonding experience of deer camp as a legitimate reason to hunt if that's your excuse for picking up a rifle (so long as the group itself observes one of the two aforementioned purposes).But if you hunt strictly for the "thrill" of killing an animal and hanging its head on your wall, then there's something seriously wrong with you.
Hopefully he doesn't have lots of savings, because his career is over
I doubt its over. This will go away within a few weeks. USA is the land of 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 9th chances.
I doubt many patients want to give money to a doctor so he can turn it over to African poachers for the opportunity to "do what he enjoys". But we'll see
What about not hunting for food, but to thin the herds? Otherwise they can reak havoc on crops, starve themselves, etc?Just curious. I don't find hunting cowardice at all, especially when using a bow. That being said, I can see the argument.
From what I understand, he has also given a ton of money to animal conservation, etc. A lot of that not reported, which of course should surprise no one in this soundbyte, 128 character world. It will be interesting to read the entire story.At any rate, he'll keep plenty of patients and rebuild over the years. I sincerely doubt it will kill his career, though it could certainly harm it for the next few years.
Pretty soon the peta and vegan buffoons will get tired, or be distracted by a tofu Bogo at Whole Foods.That's who's outiside his practice right now. These are the people who want us to feel bad for eating a cheeseburger. Bacon cheeseburger....oh no! Not condoning his actions.The Maassai tribe in Africa kill lions as a rite of passage. Same result. Dead lion. At the end of the day....
And Hitler was a patron of the opera. So what?What this guy did was unconscionable. He takes joy in killing for killing sake. I don't get the thrill in destroying life. I have taken life in the service of my country but it was never pleasurable. You do it because it is war. And if you do start to enjoy it you need to get out immediately. There is a reason AFSOC made us sit down with shrinks. Like every TACP I know, I take Prazosin every night to tame the nightmares stemming from the awful things we experienced and witnessed, Normal, rational, compassionate human beings do not enjoy killing. What I don't understand about this guy is he pays for the privilege of killing animals who are worth his attention only for the fact of being exotic. He kills animals because they are unusual. Here is the only circumstance under which I would be impressed by that dentist killing a lion, bear, cougar, or any of the other animals he shot dead: if he fought them bare handed. But a coward like that would sh1t his pants without a mechanical weapon in his hands. At least in warfare the other side can legitimately fight back.
The Maassai tribe in Africa kill lions as a rite of passage. Same result. Dead lion. At the end of the day....
From what I understand, he has also given a ton of money to animal conservation, etc. A lot of that not reported, which of course should surprise no one in this soundbyte, 128 character world. It will be interesting to read the entire story.
then what are the zimbabwe guides being charged with if it is not illegal?
Wow, I'm very concerned for Benny. Being able to mimic Myron Medcalf's writing so closely implies an oncoming case of dementia.
Since you brought up military...is it cowardice to drop a nuclear bomb from 20K feet on defenseless people? What about bombing in general? Look, I get your argument. It's reasonable, rationale, etc. Hunting isn't for everyone. I find the what he paid for the experience to be totally irrelevent. That was the price to pay to hunt in that area. I find it more appalling that we are freaked out as a nation over this when we have millions of babies killed each year...defenseless babies.....and it doesn't even cost $50k.
Baiting is perfectly legal but the there seems to be some misinformation as to whether baiting/luring a lion out of a protected habitat is illegal. Nevertheless, it is illegal to kill a collared lion, not to mention, the lion was shot on private property that was not licensed or permitted for a lion hunt. Either way, the hunt itself is deemed illegal (poaching).The guide (Bronkhorst) is facing a $20,000 fine and (possibly) 10 years for "failing to supervise, control and take reasonable steps to prevent an unlawful hunt". The landowner (Ndlovu) is expected to testify for the state first in Bronkhorst's hearing, after which, he's expected to be charged as well. There is speculation that Ndlovu may have falsely represented the permit status of his land; otherwise, Bronkhorst could be charged with poaching as well if he knew the land was not licensed.Palmer could be charged with poaching, though there are differing interpretations of Zimbabwean law as to whether a client can be charged with poaching if he/she was relying upon hired guides. That said, who gets convicted of anything comes down to the question of what did Bronkhost, Ndlovu and Palmer each know and when did they know it.The worst case scenario for Palmer is if he knew (or had reason to believe) that the land was not permitted for a lion hunt or if anyone identified the collar prior to the initial arrow shot. In which case, all three would probably be charged (and most likely convicted) of poaching. That said, if it's likely to turn into a "he said"-"he said" between Ndlovu and Bronkhorst, it's possible that Palmer will be charged and extradited simply to get him to testify as to what he knew... not so much to determine his own guilt but to ascertain the guilt of Bronkhorst or Ndlovu; however, Zimbabwe may be reluctant to petition for extradition unless they know that they can convict Palmer because big game hunting is a big part of the economy there and they don't want to scare off would-be hunters who drop tens of thousands of dollars for just a few days in country.
Are you a licensed lawyer in Zimbabwe or something?