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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #950 on: January 22, 2024, 08:02:43 AM »
Big East NET rankings as of games of January 21, 2024
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9   8   UConn   
12   11   Creighton   
17   17   Marquette   
38   38   Villanova   
41   41   St. John's
43   43   Xavier   
58   57   Providence   
60   60   Seton Hall   
66   66   Butler
176   175   Georgetown   
310   309   DePaul
January 22 Team Sheets :
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/net-teamsheets-plus
MU is 17:
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/team-net-sheet?team=Marquette
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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #951 on: January 22, 2024, 09:10:27 AM »
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 22, 2024, 06:36:33 AM
I usually keep these to their own thread, but I went deep on why the NET rankings aren't what most fans think they are and why their flaws don't actually matter because the rankings aren't used the way people think they are:

Forget About NET

Very good explanation. Marquette is blessed to have one of the top analytics minds around. Your MU-centric work stands on its own national merits, but I’m grateful that your examples always include Marquette. It keeps MU always at the forefront of discussions on NCAA metrics.
   Also, many of your team examples have subtle Marquette lore references, like your using Wardle-coached Bradley to illustrate how a 3 point efficiency metric jump further down the NET corresponds to a much higher placeholder move in the overall NET.
   Have you ever been approached by a college for an analytics-related team staff position? What about a teaching position either in business statistics or mathematics? Just curious.

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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #952 on: January 22, 2024, 09:28:28 AM »
I know my limitations and while I'm decent with advanced stats and understanding it, people like Andrei Greska (Paint Touches) and Rob Lowe (Cracked Sidewalks) would be better suited for that. I'm more of a statistician hobbyist, those guys are the professionals.  8-)
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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #953 on: January 22, 2024, 09:53:52 AM »
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 21, 2024, 10:03:30 PM
I will still have us on the 3-line in the morning (spoiler) but I remember last year getting some grief over keeping Marquette as a 3 when we ended up with a 2-seed on Selection Sunday. In a group chat with other bracketologists today, I saw some others bumping Marquette back up to the 2-line and asked them why they had to make me look bad to my people.

"Who leads the nation in wins against at-large teams?

Marquette (6)

Purdue, UConn and Arizona each have 5"

https://twitter.com/Brad_Wachtel/status/1749433099799200090?t=92-UAV-p4xkV0Ucc4OfOcQ&s=19
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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #954 on: January 22, 2024, 10:04:04 AM »
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 22, 2024, 09:53:52 AM
"Who leads the nation in wins against at-large teams?

Marquette (6)

Purdue, UConn and Arizona each have 5"

https://twitter.com/Brad_Wachtel/status/1749433099799200090?t=92-UAV-p4xkV0Ucc4OfOcQ&s=19

I guess this was assumed but that’s just the non-con only.
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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #955 on: January 22, 2024, 10:35:38 AM »
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 22, 2024, 06:36:33 AM
I usually keep these to their own thread, but I went deep on why the NET rankings aren't what most fans think they are and why their flaws don't actually matter because the rankings aren't used the way people think they are:

Forget About NET

Thanks Brew!  Good stuff.
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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #956 on: January 22, 2024, 11:10:44 AM »
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 22, 2024, 06:36:33 AM
Forget About NET

With that title, I think most people would assume the article is about MU's recent 3pt shots  :P
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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #957 on: January 22, 2024, 12:25:20 PM »
Big East Poll Rankings January 22, 2024
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17. Creighton
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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #958 on: January 23, 2024, 06:42:21 AM »
Big East NET rankings as of Games if January 22, 2024
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8   9   UConn   
12   12   Creighton   
17   17   Marquette   
37   38   Villanova   
41   41   St. John's
43   43   Xavier   
57   58   Providence
60   60   Seton Hall   
66   66   Butler   
176   176   Georgetown   
309   310   DePaul   
January 23 Team Sheets:
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/net-teamsheets-plus
MU is 17:
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/team-net-sheet?team=Marquette


« Last Edit: January 25, 2024, 06:39:18 AM by Herman Cain »
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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #959 on: January 23, 2024, 10:10:10 PM »
To really move the needle I think we have to sweep thru up to UCONN. I think we can do it!
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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #960 on: January 24, 2024, 08:39:33 AM »
Big East NET rankings as of games of January 23, 2024
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8   8   UConn   
12   12   Creighton   
17   17   Marquette   
36   37   Villanova   
41   41   St. John's
42   43   Xavier   
60   57   Providence   
61   66   Butler
62   60   Seton Hall   
190   176   Georgetown   
309   309   DePaul
January 24 Team Sheets:
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/net-teamsheets-plus
MU is 17:
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/team-net-sheet?team=Marquette
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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #961 on: January 24, 2024, 08:50:26 AM »
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on January 23, 2024, 10:10:10 PM
To really move the needle I think we have to sweep thru up to UCONN. I think we can do it!

And the Creighton road game, too.  2-1 in those 3 games would move the needle a bit.

3-0 would move the needle a ton!
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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #962 on: January 24, 2024, 09:36:13 AM »
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 24, 2024, 08:50:26 AM
And the Creighton road game, too.  2-1 in those 3 games would move the needle a bit.

3-0 would move the needle a ton!

3-0 and we're in contention for the top line, depending on the other results.
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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #963 on: January 24, 2024, 09:55:51 AM »
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 24, 2024, 09:36:13 AM
3-0 and we're in contention for the top line, depending on the other results.

3-0 isn't happening.  I am not sure 2-1 will happen.
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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #964 on: January 24, 2024, 10:01:42 AM »
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on January 24, 2024, 09:55:51 AM
3-0 isn't happening.  I am not sure 2-1 will happen.

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« Reply #965 on: January 24, 2024, 10:28:44 AM »
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on January 24, 2024, 09:55:51 AM
3-0 isn't happening.  I am not sure 2-1 will happen.
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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #966 on: January 24, 2024, 02:22:06 PM »
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 24, 2024, 08:50:26 AM
And the Creighton road game, too.  2-1 in those 3 games would move the needle a bit.

3-0 would move the needle a ton!

Maybe I'm missing something....when I said " win thru up to UCONN" I was thinking winning 6 games from now up to UCONN.....with at Villanova the real tough one.
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When you say "3" games you mean the 2 UConns and 1 @Creighton?  if so I would hope 2-1
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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #967 on: January 24, 2024, 02:37:56 PM »
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on January 24, 2024, 02:22:06 PM
Maybe I'm missing something....when I said " win thru up to UCONN" I was thinking winning 6 games from now up to UCONN.....with at Villanova the real tough one.
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When you say "3" games you mean the 2 UConns and 1 @Creighton?  if so I would hope 2-1

Yes, that's what I meant.

I misread.  I thought you said "sweep UConn."
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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #968 on: January 25, 2024, 06:43:35 AM »
Big East NET ranking as of games of January 24, 2024
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9   8   UConn   
12   12   Creighton   
17   17   Marquette   
36   41   St. John's
40   36   Villanova   
41   42   Xavier   
49   60   Providence   
60   61   Butler   
68   62   Seton Hall   
194   190   Georgetown   
303   309   DePaul
January 25 Team Sheets:
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/net-teamsheets-plus
MU is 17:
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/team-net-sheet?team=Marquette

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« Reply #969 on: January 26, 2024, 07:39:54 AM »
Big East NET rankings as of games of January 25, 2024
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9   9   UConn   
11   12   Creighton   
17   17   Marquette   
36   36   St. John's
40   40   Villanova   
41   41   Xavier   
53   49   Providence   
60   60   Butler   
70   68   Seton Hall   
193   194   Georgetown   
304   303   Depaul
January 26 Team Sheets:
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/net-teamsheets-plus
MU is 17:
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/team-net-sheet?team=Marquette

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« Reply #970 on: January 27, 2024, 08:03:17 AM »
Big East Net rankings as of games of January 26,2024
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9   9   UConn   
12   11   Creighton   
17   17   Marquette   
36   36   St. John's
40   40   Villanova   
41   41   Xavier   
53   53   Providence   
60   60   Butler
70   70   Seton Hall   
194   193   Georgetown   
304   304   DePaul
January 27 Team Sheets:
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/net-teamsheets-plus
MU is 17:
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/team-net-sheet?team=Marquette

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« Reply #971 on: January 28, 2024, 06:54:16 AM »
 Big East NET rankings as of games of January 27, 2024
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8   9   UConn
12   12   Creighton   
15   17   Marquette   
36   36   St. John's
40   41   Xavier   
43   40   Villanova   
53   53   Providence   
54   60   Butler   
75   70   Seton Hall   
182   194   Georgetown   
301   304   DePaul
January 28 Team Sheets:
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/net-teamsheets-plus
MU is 15
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/team-net-sheet?team=Marquette

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« Reply #972 on: January 29, 2024, 07:34:29 AM »
Big East NET rankings as of games of January 28, 2024
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5   8   UConn   
13   12   Creighton   
16   15   Marquette   
35   36   St. John's
43   43   Villanova   
51   53   Providence   
52   54   Butler   
53   40   Xavier   
74   75   Seton Hall   
183   182   Georgetown
301   301   DePaul   
January 29 Team Sheets:
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/net-teamsheets-plus
MU is 16:
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/team-net-sheet?team=Marquette
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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #973 on: January 29, 2024, 07:37:01 AM »
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 29, 2024, 07:34:29 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of January 28, 2024
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5   8   UConn   
13   12   Creighton   
16   15   Marquette   
35   36   St. John's
43   43   Villanova   
51   53   Providence   
52   54   Butler   
53   40   Xavier   
74   75   Seton Hall   
183   182   Georgetown
301   301   DePaul   
January 29 Team Sheets:
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/net-teamsheets-plus
MU is 16:
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/team-net-sheet?team=Marquette

Moved up one spot in a week despite all the loses of teams ahead of MU.
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« Reply #974 on: January 29, 2024, 10:18:20 AM »
Failing to cover against a sub 300 NET team will do that.  I would also imagine that the gaps between teams around us is shrinking despite us only moving up one.  Last week we were 17 and Kansas was 16. They're up to 12 despite a 1-1 week.  Makes me think that 2-0 with 2 covers could see us jump multiple spots.  Teams ahead of us failing to cover would certainly help too.
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