Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets

[wisblue]

It’s really too early to give the NET anything more than a cursory look.

A lot of things will change significantly once the conference seasons get going and the schedule strengths of teams in the major conferences stabilizes. And some of the teams that currently have high NET ratings (like Princeton) will be seeing their NET fall even if they keep winning in their conferences.

The best thing is that MU has put itself in good position because of the Maui tournament and other OOC games against strong teams. I’m confident that UCLA and Texas will move up as the season progresses and some of the other conference teams will too.The teams that are downgraded now are ones that have lost their only games against good opponents and have beaten a number of really bad ones.

[Uncle Rico]

It’s really too early to give the NET anything more than a cursory look.

A lot of things will change significantly once the conference seasons get going and the schedule strengths of teams in the major conferences stabilizes. And some of the teams that currently have high NET ratings (like Princeton) will be seeing their NET fall even if they keep winning in their conferences.

The best thing is that MU has put itself in good position because of the Maui tournament and other OOC games against strong teams. I’m confident that UCLA and Texas will move up as the season progresses and some of the other conference teams will too.The teams that are downgraded now are ones that have lost their only games against good opponents and have beaten a number of really bad ones.

Plus, the St. Thomas game will be huge by the end of the year

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET rankings as of games of December 8, 2023
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5   5   Creighton   
8   9   Marquette   
9   7   UConn   
55   55   Villanova   
59   56   Butler   
60   59   St. John's
65   64   Providence   
82   85   Seton Hall   
87   91   Xavier   
222   221   Georgetown   
267   269   DePaul

December 9 Team Sheets. MU is 10
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/net-teamsheets-plus

[Ardmore Mug]

MU SOS: 5   

[wadesworld]

MU SOS: 5   

Unfortunately playing Notre Dame will not be helping that.

[PointWarrior]

But they are more fragile. What other schools have COLE?

And as fans of any team with high aspirations would.

I’m always amused at the suggestions that MU fans as a group are somehow more fragile or volatile than fans of any other team.

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET rankings as of games of December 9, 2023

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5   5   Creighton   Big East   
7   9   UConn   
8   8   Marquette   
51   55   Villanova   
52   60   St. John's
54   65   Providence   
59   59   Butler   
70   87   Xavier   
98   82   Seton Hall   
234   222   Georgetown   
264   267   DePaul   

December 10 Team Sheets.MU is 8
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/net-teamsheets-plus

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET rankings as of games of December 11,2023
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5   5   Creighton   Big East   
7   7   UConn
9   8   Marquette   
48   51   Villanova   
56   54   Providence   
60   59   Butler   
67   70   Xavier   
70   52   St. John's
116   98   Seton Hall   
231   234   Georgetown
257   264   DePaul

December 11 Team Sheets . MU is 9
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/net-teamsheets-plus

[mugrad_89]

Big East NET rankings as of games of December 19, 2023
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5   5   Creighton   Big East   
7   7   UConn
9   8   Marquette   
48   51   Villanova   
56   54   Providence   
60   59   Butler   
67   70   Xavier   
70   52   St. John's
116   98   Seton Hall   
231   234   Georgetown
257   264   DePaul

December 11 Team Sheets . MU is 9
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/net-teamsheets-plus

The NET really needs to make an adjustment for blowing out horrible teams.  From what I can tell, that’s the only reason Creighton and Iowa St are in the top 10.

[Scoop Snoop]

Big East NET rankings as of games of December 19, 2023
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5   5   Creighton   Big East   
7   7   UConn
9   8   Marquette   
48   51   Villanova   
56   54   Providence   
60   59   Butler   
67   70   Xavier   
70   52   St. John's
116   98   Seton Hall   
231   234   Georgetown
257   264   DePaul

December 11 Team Sheets . MU is 9
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/net-teamsheets-plus

I'm very impressed that you know the NETS for 12/19. 

[Pepe Sylvia]

You just simply do not have to worry about net too much this early in the season. Everyone's schedules are crazy unbalanced, and even at decision time the selection committee looks a lot more at impressive wins over top competition than margin of victory over bad teams, and seeds accordingly. The numbers will make more sense the more games that get played, any outlier preformances weigh heavy right now. I don't think Texas is only 1 point better than Louisville, for instance. But that is one of only 9 data points you can look at for Texas, so its gonna look real bad til there is more data available.

[Herman Cain]

I'm very impressed that you know the NETS for 12/19. 

Correction Noted

[Herman Cain]

Big East Poll Rankings December 11, 2023
AP
5. U Conn
7.  MU
8 .  Creighton
Others Receiving Votes
Providence

Coaches
5. U Conn
7. MU
8 . Creighton

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET rankings as of games of December 11, 2023
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 5   5   Creighton   
7   7   UConn
9   9   Marquette   
47   48   Villanova   
56   56   Providence   
60   60   Butler   
69   70   St. John's
70   67   Xavier   
118   116   Seton Hall   
230   231   Georgetown   
258   257   DePaul   

December 12 Team Sheets. MU is 9
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/net-teamsheets-plus

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET rankings as of games of December 12, 2023
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5   5   Creighton   
7   7   UConn   
9   9   Marquette   
47   47   Villanova   
57   56   Providence   
59   60   Butler   
68   69   St. John's
69   70   Xavier   
110   118   Seton Hall   
242   230   Georgetown   
259   258   DePaul   

December 13 Team Sheets . MU is 9
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/net-teamsheets-plus

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET rankings as of games of December 13, 2023

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6   7   UConn   
8   9   Marquette   
9   5   Creighton   
46   47   Villanova   
57   59   Butler   
58   57   Providence   
67   68   St. John's
68   69   Xavier   
111   110   Seton Hall   
240   242   Georgetown   
265   259   DePaul

December 14 Team Sheets. MU is 8

https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/net-teamsheets-plus

[1SE]

How big a drop?

[PointWarrior]

Huge..

How big a drop?

[Newsdreams]

How big a drop?

Almost as big as a loss

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET rankings as of games of December 14, 2023
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6   6   UConn   
8   8   Marquette   
9   9   Creighton   
46   46   Villanova   
56   57   Butler   
59   58   Providence   
67   67   St. John's
68   68   Xavier   
113   111   Seton Hall   
240   240   Georgetown   
265   265   DePaul   

December 15 Team Sheets. MU is 8
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/net-teamsheets-plus

[zcg2013]

OMG WE PLAYED SO HORRIBLY IT WILL DROP US SO MUCH

Big East NET rankings as of games of December 14, 2023
New Old
6   6   UConn   
8   8   Marquette   
9   9   Creighton   
46   46   Villanova   
56   57   Butler   
59   58   Providence   
67   67   St. John's
68   68   Xavier   
113   111   Seton Hall   
240   240   Georgetown   
265   265   DePaul   

December 15 Team Sheets. MU is 8
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/net-teamsheets-plus

[FairWeatherEagle]

So Providence is either outright good or overachieve. At their place is such an important game. If we are really good, really tough, really top 5, we win it.

[wadesworld]

So Providence is either outright good or overachieve. At their place is such an important game. If we are really good, really tough, really top 5, we win it.

And if UCONN was really good, really tough, really top 5 last year, they beat St. John’s at home.

It’s college basketball. Good teams lose games against teams they’re better than. First conference road game is always tough. Weird things always happen at Providence. If we lose it doesn’t mean we aren’t really good or really rough or really top 5.

[MU82]

Wait ... is this true?

We were favored to beat a team at home by 20+, only beat them by 5 ... and we didn't drop even a single spot in NET?

I didn't really think we'd go from 8 to 40 or something crazy like that, but I admit I thought we'd drop some. I guess I just don't understand how it works.

[Pepe Sylvia]

Wait ... is this true?

We were favored to beat a team at home by 20+, only beat them by 5 ... and we didn't drop even a single spot in NET?

I didn't really think we'd go from 8 to 40 or something crazy like that, but I admit I thought we'd drop some. I guess I just don't understand how it works.

They don't publish raw NET scores, just your rank. So you have no idea how far behind or in front of another teams metrics you are before the game. There might be a big drop off right after us that closed the gap due to the non-ideal result.