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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: mug644 on October 19, 2021, 08:06:33 PM
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/32422753/big-east-2021-22-predictions-villanova-remains-hunted-look-uconn (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/32422753/big-east-2021-22-predictions-villanova-remains-hunted-look-uconn)
Well, third topic of discussion, not third place.
It's a good set of observations about Shaka and MU.
For those who don't read it, MU picked to finish 10th. I don't believe it.
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/32422753/big-east-2021-22-predictions-villanova-remains-hunted-look-uconn (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/32422753/big-east-2021-22-predictions-villanova-remains-hunted-look-uconn)
Well, third topic of discussion, not third place.
It's a good set of observations about Shaka and MU.
For those who don't read it, MU picked to finish 10th. I don't believe it.
But really positive comments about Smart and Marquette.
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Going ESPN's bottom up?
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But really positive comments about Smart and Marquette.
Agreed, aside from this years prediction, all the analysts were very positive about the hire and the past and future of our program. I like Lunardi saying the college basketball is better when Marquette is back on the national radar.
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But this isn't some "we're lucky to have you" situation. Marquette wants to win. And they want to win soon.
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Are we really that difficult of a fan base to please? I think for the most part our expectations are reasonable.
I think we had patience for Wojo, but seeing the same movie multiple times made it seem best for both to move on.
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Are we really that difficult of a fan base to please?
Yes. That's not a bad thing
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Are we really that difficult of a fan base to please? I think for the most part our expectations are reasonable.
I think we had patience for Wojo, but seeing the same movie multiple times made it seem best for both to move on.
Between multiple podcasts and now this article referencing it, I'd say we're a difficult fanbase to please.
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Are we really that difficult of a fan base to please?
I think we were. Now we're just apathetic.
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Lunardi nails it:
The Golden Eagles were long overdue for a fresh start. Smart brings a real buzz back to the program. If he wins like the actual Buzz (Williams), and I think he'll at least come close, college basketball will be better for having Marquette back on the stage.
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"I think he'll at least come close"
;D
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Are we really that difficult of a fan base to please? I think for the most part our expectations are reasonable.
Have you read scoop?
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Are we really that difficult of a fan base to please? I think for the most part our expectations are reasonable.
I think we had patience for Wojo, but seeing the same movie multiple times made it seem best for both to move on.
Will we have patience for Shaka or will he be on a shorter leash as far as the fanbase is concerned? Goose, I know you have high hopes for Shaka, but is 3 years enough to turn the program around and trending in the right direction?
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Will he graduate players? Will they stay out of the police blotters? Will they be active the community? As meh as Wojo was on the court, the AD called him ideal off the court.
So, unless there is a succession of scandals, I am sure that he will get 5-7 years.
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Warrior69
Difficult question to answer. First, I am beyond high on Shaka and what he brings to MU. The question is tough to answer because IMO, if Shaka ends up not winning big here I am not sure it will ever happen again. So, I am going to critical, if needed, starting with the opening tip this season, but I think he should be given a long leash if needed.
The Shaka hire was a big time hire and gets high praise pretty much across the board. IMO, he better get the job done and get done from his first game. I said after the hire was announced that Shaka has no wiggle room in my book. He has the resume to win and to turn things around quickly.
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Will we have patience for Shaka or will he be on a shorter leash as far as the fanbase is concerned? Goose, I know you have high hopes for Shaka, but is 3 years enough to turn the program around and trending in the right direction?
I think it depends on what you mean by turned around. He better have started the turn around months ago when he got here. If you mean high NCAAT seeds and deep postseason runs, I think that's a 3-5 year expectation. In the mean time, we should see improved coaching, improved player development, and improved identity.
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Goose, TAMU,
Thanks. I'm in my mid 70s and in reasonably good health. If I'm impatient its because if I'm lucky I may see another 10-12 years of MU ball. So from my perspective he better get it done. This Warrior does not want to fade away, but go out with a bang!
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Goose, TAMU,
Thanks. I'm in my mid 70s and in reasonably good health. If I'm impatient its because if I'm lucky I may see another 10-12 years of MU ball. So from my perspective he better get it done. This Warrior does not want to fade away, but go out with a bang!
May I suggest the villages and some blue pills?
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These commentators have not taken the time to look at the construction of our team. I like the players we have and our coaches philosophy .
MU going to surprise a lot of the pundits this year .
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Got to give the new coach a chance.
He has shown he can win, which is what many of us demand.
If he can't well, we know that road.
If he is successful he will probably leave, if past coaches are any indication.
In any case, Go Marquette!
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Got to give the new coach a.
He has shown chance he can win, which is what many of us demand.
If he can't well, we know that road.
If he is successful he will probably leave, if past coaches are any indication.
In any case, Go Marquette!
You got to give the young players a chance. I do not think we will be good this year, but I think the players we have will become very good players.
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We might not get to 20 wins, but you can bet your sweet a$$ we’ve got 26 pages of culture!!!
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We might not get to 20 wins, but you can bet your sweet a$$ we’ve got 26 pages of culture!!!
I saw that in the Matt Foley.....errrr....John Fanta interview. I liked his reason for not making it public.
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We might not get to 20 wins, but you can bet your sweet a$$ we’ve got 26 pages of culture!!!
Culture wars, hey!!
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Culture wars, hey!!
Petri dishes matta, hey?
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This year will ge tough as everyone says. If it is less than tough we will all be happy. But long term Shaka and MU are a good fit and I can see a Shaka successful here and….. staying!
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Are we really that difficult of a fan base to please? I think for the most part our expectations are reasonable.
I think we had patience for Wojo, but seeing the same movie multiple times made it seem best for both to move on.
In the past, I have broken our fan base down into three components, which I still think is true today:
1) The Al Era -- Anyone who followed our program or was on campus before 1978 falls into this category. We were a blue blood, one of the best programs in the country. We recruited the best and we played hard and won. We had a long home winning streak at one point and were occasionally ranked first. We played in two Nattys and of course brought home one. People in this group expect the most -- annual NCAAs, competition for Nattys and consistently good performance. A declining segment of our fan base.
2) The Moments of Genius -- These are folks who came of age when Buzz was here or when Kevin O'Neill and Tom Crean were coaching. We showed signs of life, met various degrees of success but weerte regular NCAA participants. This group has higher expectations but has been tainted by, Wojo, Deane and Dukiet.
3) The Apathetics -- These are the folks who came of age when Marquette was coached by Deane, Dukiet or Wojo. They've seen underachieving or poorly recruited/coached teams. These people assume we are going to lose, either a game or a good coach. They see little value in our program. They're a growing part of our fan base and unless things are turned around, the support we have in our community will wane.
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In the past, I have broken our fan base down into three components, which I still think is true today:
1) The Al Era -- Anyone who followed our program or was on campus before 1978 falls into this category. We were a blue blood, one of the best programs in the country. We recruited the best and we played hard and won. We had a long home winning streak at one point and were occasionally ranked first. We played in two Nattys and of course brought home one. People in this group expect the most -- annual NCAAs, competition for Nattys and consistently good performance. A declining segment of our fan base.
2) The Moments of Genius -- These are folks who came of age when Buzz was here or when Kevin O'Neill and Tom Crean were coaching. We showed signs of life, met various degrees of success but weerte regular NCAA participants. This group has higher expectations but has been tainted by, Wojo, Deane and Dukiet.
3) The Apathetics -- These are the folks who came of age when Marquette was coached by Deane, Dukiet or Wojo. They've seen underachieving or poorly recruited/coached teams. These people assume we are going to lose, either a game or a good coach. They see little value in our program. They're a growing part of our fan base and unless things are turned around, the support we have in our community will wane.
This is a reasonable characterization of our fan base. I agree that Shaka needs to reinvigorate the 3rd level of fans for the program to thrive going forward. Too many first level fans will die off in the next 20 years. I am in the second level (but went to MU because of the Al era and the era immediately following before dukiet) but our enthusiasm will wane if Shaka doesn’t get the job done as well.
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In the past, I have broken our fan base down into three components, which I still think is true today:
1) The Al Era -- Anyone who followed our program or was on campus before 1978 falls into this category. We were a blue blood, one of the best programs in the country. We recruited the best and we played hard and won. We had a long home winning streak at one point and were occasionally ranked first. We played in two Nattys and of course brought home one. People in this group expect the most -- annual NCAAs, competition for Nattys and consistently good performance. A declining segment of our fan base.
2) The Moments of Genius -- These are folks who came of age when Buzz was here or when Kevin O'Neill and Tom Crean were coaching. We showed signs of life, met various degrees of success but weerte regular NCAA participants. This group has higher expectations but has been tainted by, Wojo, Deane and Dukiet.
3) The Apathetics -- These are the folks who came of age when Marquette was coached by Deane, Dukiet or Wojo. They've seen underachieving or poorly recruited/coached teams. These people assume we are going to lose, either a game or a good coach. They see little value in our program. They're a growing part of our fan base and unless things are turned around, the support we have in our community will wane.
I am in Group One. Still believe we can get back to the top of the mountain.
Wojo stalled our momentum , for sure , that had built during the Crean/Buzz era, however He didn’t totally collapse the program to the point of no repair . Shaka has a very deep pool of quality young guys to work with now.
We are going to surprise some people this year.
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May I suggest the villages and some blue pills?
ha ha ha..., classic.
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May I suggest the villages and some blue pills?
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May I suggest the villages and some blue pills?
If there is a more boring place on Planet Earth than The Villages, FL, I haven't found it yet. Maybe western Kansas or Nebraska qualifies, but I'll leave it to others to argue with me. The place is in about the most inhospitable climate possible in Florida this side of Hurricane Alley (aka, the Gulf Coast).
I drive through the Villages on the way to the Dgies Estate on Florida's East Coast. The most common form of transportation in The Villages is the golf cart and the most common male recreational activity is waiting to urinate. Those blue pills of which you speak likely would cause more social havoc in The Villages than a half-off Sunset Dining Special (aka Early Bird Special) at Applebees.
Giving a resident of The Villages his sex drive back would be like giving a blind person their driver's license back!
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In the past, I have broken our fan base down into three components, which I still think is true today:
3) The Apathetics -- These are the folks who came of age when Marquette was coached by Deane, Dukiet or Wojo. They've seen underachieving or poorly recruited/coached teams. These people assume we are going to lose, either a game or a good coach. They see little value in our program. They're a growing part of our fan base and unless things are turned around, the support we have in our community will wane.
I was a student during the Deane years with no history with MU before applying. Deane's years weren't great but they weren't awful either. 1995: NIT finals (should have won it), 1996: CUSA tourney finals (lost in 2OT) with 3 seed and NCAA second round, 1997: CUSA tourney title and NCAA tourney appearance, 1998: NIT quarterfinals. The final season wasn't any fun but I don't think people who came of age as a MU fan under Deane were "apathetic."
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I was a student during the Deane years with no history with MU before applying. Deane's years weren't great but they weren't awful either. 1995: NIT finals (should have won it), 1996: CUSA tourney finals (lost in 2OT) with 3 seed and NCAA second round, 1997: CUSA tourney title and NCAA tourney appearance, 1998: NIT quarterfinals. The final season wasn't any fun but I don't think people who came of age as a MU fan under Deane were "apathetic."
Of course, he did that primarily with KO’s recruits. After that…Krunti…
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Of course, he did that primarily with KO’s recruits. After that…Krunti…
Of course, but even with those KO recruits we had some very good years. The Deane years should not be grouped with Duiket as there was legit excitement around the program.
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Of course, but even with those KO recruits we had some very good years. The Deane years should not be grouped with Duiket as there was legit excitement around the program.
Sure, but it really ended up to be more of an extension of the KO era.
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Sure, but it really ended up to be more of an extension of the KO era.
No disagreement there. However, at least he did that. As for Wojo…