Go Big Blue

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

You're like.. IN sparkling wine?

Phone auto corrected but I may as well have been last night.

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

Freshman ineligible, baseball model, whatever. Allow these one-and-done's the option of playing basketball for a living in America rather than force feed them on the college game for one year. College basketball is being played by the NBA and it's damaging the product. I have no issue if any of these kids WANT to go to college and then leave for the NBA, but it's clear (to me at least) that many are at Kentucky (or Duke in Okafor's case) because they're prohibited from playing in the NBA and the D-League is not a financially feasible option for them.

I agree it's not Kentucky's fault and give Calipari credit for coming up with his system.

[wadesworld]

Not comparing him at all.  I'm saying any coach can get drilled, regardless of how accomplished they are.  Bob Knight got drilled continuously at the end of his career.  It happens.  Just as someone as accomplished as Coach K can lose to a Mercer or Lehigh in their first games.  It happens.  Boeheim, Self, Coach K, Knight and everyone below them.....EVERYONE below them.

Bo Ryan I would say is one of the best coaches in college basketball, until last year he had NEVER been to the Final Four.   Many good coaches never get there. 

I noticed you are backing down off the Wade couldn't be recruited by any other high major program....good call on your part, because he most certainly could have from all power conferences sans the ACC.

Somebody said that Wisconsin was going to lose by 30 like Marquette did to Kansas in the FF.  I said Tom Crean isn't on the sideline for UW.  You then said neither is Coach K.  That is a direct comparison of the 2 coaches.  Direct.  My point was we had a coach who was making his first ever Final Four appearance and he took the worst loss in the history of the Final Four to a team that didn't even go on to win the Title.  You are the one who brought up Coach K, who has 4 NCAA Championships, 7 NCAA championship appearances (maybe 8 in about 3 hours) and 12 Final Four appearances, in comparison to the coach who has 1 Final Four appearance resulting in the worst loss in Final Four history, who has never been back to even the Elite Eight.  Keep trying to twist what you said or what you meant by it, the fact remains you directly compared Tom Crean to Coach K.  If that doesn't say it all I don't know what does.

And nope, Big 10 schools could not recruit Dwyane Wade.  Very, very few high major teams could.  We were lucky to be one of the very few who could.  He thankfully fell into Thomas's lap, as did the best big man I've ever seen in Marquette's program.  Those 2, plus arguably the best shooter in the history of basketball and an NBA point guard got embarrassed in the Final Four thanks to a complete lack of preparation.  It looked like our team was prepared to play the Wisconsin team of 4 years ago that wanted to play games in the 40s.  We were down by 29 freaking points with Dwyane Wade (thankfully fell into Crean's lap), Robert Jackson (thankfully fell into Crean's lap), Travis Diener (thankfully Crean was able to land him over some tough competition, good job Coach Crean), and Steve Novak (same as Diener) at halftime.  I was in 8th grade and in the Super Dome and I was entirely embarrassed.  It was as if we had no idea Kansas was going to get out in transition and push tempo even off of made baskets.  Like we were living in the 1920s and you couldn't get video of other teams.  Had no idea who we were playing.  What a joke.

But yeah, who would want Coach K on the sidelines in a Final Four  









Compared to:



Good comparison.  Keep em coming.

[GGGG]

Not to interrupt your owning of Chicos and his constant fellating of Crean...

But MU's loss to Kansas was not the worst in Final Four history.  MSU beat Penn in 1979 by a wider margin.

[GGGG]

Hey that Vitto Brown guy may not be the greatest basketball player in the world, but he can sure sing.

[wadesworld]

Freshman ineligible, baseball model, whatever. Allow these one-and-done's the option of playing basketball for a living in America rather than force feed them on the college game for one year. College basketball is being played by the NBA and it's damaging the product. I have no issue if any of these kids WANT to go to college and then leave for the NBA, but it's clear (to me at least) that many are at Kentucky (or Duke in Okafor's case) because they're prohibited from playing in the NBA and the D-League is not a financially feasible option for them.

I agree it's not Kentucky's fault and give Calipari credit for coming up with his system.

Most of Kentucky's team chose to come back this year despite having had the option to leave after last season.  On top of that, Karl-Anthony Towns was a straight A student through high school and is an incredibly humble and well spoken kid (great ESPN article that started off this thread).

[wadesworld]

Not to interrupt your owning of Chicos and his constant fellating of Crean...

But MU's loss to Kansas was not the worst in Final Four history.  MSU beat Penn in 1979 by a wider margin.

Ahh you are right.  Not sure where I thought I saw it was the worst in the history of the FF.  Must've just been the 29 point halftime deficit we faced that was the biggest halftime lead in Final Four history.  I stand corrected.  Penn outdid us by 1.

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

Most of Kentucky's team chose to come back this year despite having had the option to leave after last season.  On top of that, Karl-Anthony Towns was a straight A student through high school and is an incredibly humble and well spoken kid (great ESPN article that started off this thread).

Agreed, but as you note they had the option to leave after last season. Because of the NBA rule, they HAD to play last season. They didn't have the option to skip last season and go straight to the NBA.

Towns seems an impressive young man. Any of Kentucky players that WANT to play college basketball for 1, 2, 3, or 4 years are welcome to our sport. But I stand by my belief that the NBA is playing us (college basketball) because they benefit from the current model, and Calipari has leveraged that in a manner that does not benefit our sport as a whole.

[GGGG]

Most of Kentucky's team chose to come back this year despite having had the option to leave after last season.  On top of that, Karl-Anthony Towns was a straight A student through high school and is an incredibly humble and well spoken kid (great ESPN article that started off this thread).

Alex Poythress is also close to a straight-A student.

Wonder why Duke doesn't get the same sh*t for one and dones?  They start three of them.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Somebody said that Wisconsin was going to lose by 30 like Marquette did to Kansas in the FF.  I said Tom Crean isn't on the sideline for UW.  You then said neither is Coach K.  That is a direct comparison of the 2 coaches.  Direct.  My point was we had a coach who was making his first ever Final Four appearance and he took the worst loss in the history of the Final Four to a team that didn't even go on to win the Title.  You are the one who brought up Coach K, who has 4 NCAA Championships, 7 NCAA championship appearances (maybe 8 in about 3 hours) and 12 Final Four appearances, in comparison to the coach who has 1 Final Four appearance resulting in the worst loss in Final Four history, who has never been back to even the Elite Eight.  Keep trying to twist what you said or what you meant by it, the fact remains you directly compared Tom Crean to Coach K.  If that doesn't say it all I don't know what does.

And nope, Big 10 schools could not recruit Dwyane Wade.  Very, very few high major teams could.  We were lucky to be one of the very few who could.  He thankfully fell into Thomas's lap, as did the best big man I've ever seen in Marquette's program.  Those 2, plus arguably the best shooter in the history of basketball and an NBA point guard got embarrassed in the Final Four thanks to a complete lack of preparation.  It looked like our team was prepared to play the Wisconsin team of 4 years ago that wanted to play games in the 40s.  We were down by 29 freaking points with Dwyane Wade (thankfully fell into Crean's lap), Robert Jackson (thankfully fell into Crean's lap), Travis Diener (thankfully Crean was able to land him over some tough competition, good job Coach Crean), and Steve Novak (same as Diener) at halftime.  I was in 8th grade and in the Super Dome and I was entirely embarrassed.  It was as if we had no idea Kansas was going to get out in transition and push tempo even off of made baskets.  Like we were living in the 1920s and you couldn't get video of other teams.  Had no idea who we were playing.  What a joke.

But yeah, who would want Coach K on the sidelines in a Final Four  









Compared to:



Good comparison.  Keep em coming.

No, it's an example that no matter WHO is at the helm it can happen. You are right, it happened under Crean.  You are correct.  I said neither is Coach K, who also got crushed in a Final Four...I am also right....regardless of who the coach is, it can happen.  I'm sorry this continues to trouble you with FACTS.  I brought him to show it can happen to anyone, which it has...and will continue to.  One of the greatest coaches ever, getting crushed in the Final Four, or losing as a 2 seed to a 15 seed, or losing as a 3 seed to a 14 seed....all facts...all to show you it can happen to any coach.   Or Bob Knight, or Jim Boeheim, etc, etc, etc.  We can play this all day if you wish, but it can happen to any coach. 

[wadesworld]

No, it's an example that no matter WHO is at the helm it can happen. You are right, it happened under Crean.  You are correct.  I said neither is Coach K, who also got crushed in a Final Four...I am also right....regardless of who the coach is, it can happen.  I'm sorry this continues to trouble you with FACTS.  I brought him to show it can happen to anyone, which it has...and will continue to.  One of the greatest coaches ever, getting crushed in the Final Four, or losing as a 2 seed to a 15 seed, or losing as a 3 seed to a 14 seed....all facts...all to show you it can happen to any coach.   Or Bob Knight, or Jim Boeheim, etc, etc, etc.  We can play this all day if you wish, but it can happen to any coach. 

Alright Chicos, you continue to think Duke is at a disadvantage having Coach K working the sidelines in a Final Four. You're entitled to your opinion. Doesn't make you look very intelligent, but you have every right to have that opinion.

Please take the last word. The pictures above say it all for me.

[ChicosBailBonds]

And nope, Big 10 schools could not recruit Dwyane Wade.  Very, very few high major teams could.  We were lucky to be one of the very few who could.  He thankfully fell into Thomas's lap, as did the best big man I've ever seen in Marquette's program.  Those 2, plus arguably the best shooter in the history of basketball and an NBA point guard got embarrassed in the Final Four thanks to a complete lack of preparation.  It looked like our team was prepared to play the Wisconsin team of 4 years ago that wanted to play games in the 40s.  We were down by 29 freaking points with Dwyane Wade (thankfully fell into Crean's lap), Robert Jackson (thankfully fell into Crean's lap), Travis Diener (thankfully Crean was able to land him over some tough competition, good job Coach Crean), and Steve Novak (same as Diener) at halftime.  I was in 8th grade and in the Super Dome and I was entirely embarrassed.  It was as if we had no idea Kansas was going to get out in transition and push tempo even off of made baskets.  Like we were living in the 1920s and you couldn't get video of other teams.  Had no idea who we were playing.  What a joke.

You couldn't be more wrong and several were taken to the woodshed last year on this.


Assuming the "big 6" are the Big 12, Big Ten, ACC, SEC, Pac 12 and Big East.

In those conferences from 1996 to 2004, these were the following policies by conference on partial qualifiers.  Since Wade was a partial qualifier, the conferences below and their policies to recruit partial qualifiers.   Man up, you were wrong...dead wrong.

Tell me again what conference Purdue is in?  Tell me again how Glenn Big Dog Robinson wasn't a partial qualifer Prop 48.  LOL.   Other examples if you wish...some little school in Indiana called Notre Dame.  Tell me again how Tony Rice wasn't a partial qualifier and a Prop 48 player...please, tell me.  Would you like other examples?

Note that many of the Big 6 do have policies around partial qualifiers, but none of them exclude the university from taking PQ's.  Some do limit the number to only 2 per year for a men's sport, but nevertheless they can be taken.  The Big Ten and Big East have no such restrictions at all in place and can take as many players as they wish.

ACC Partial Qualifier Policy:

Effective 8/1/96:
Entering freshmen

– (First FT enrollment is ACC institution)
Maximum limit of 4 partial qualifiers per year per institution as determined by the institution may practice and receive aid (no more than 2 in men’s sports, and no more than 2 in women’s sports, with no more than one in any sport). PQ must receive athletic aid.

4-yr transfer
must transfer at least 48S/72Q units with 2.00 GPA and attended 4-yr inst. 3S/4Q as full-time student to be eligible for aid, comp, practice. Any waivers require 6 affirmative votes (excluding involved institution).


Big East Partial Qualifier Policy:

No policy limitations on Partial Qualifiers.  No limitations of any kind.




Big Ten Partial Qualifier Policy:

No policy limitations on Partial Qualifiers.  No limitations of any kind.


Big 12 Partial Qualifier Policy:

Effective 6/96:

Entering freshmen
- No more than 4 partial qualifiers per year as determined by the institution may practice and receive aid (no more than 2 in men's sports, and no more
than 2 in women’s sports, with no more than one in any sport). PQ status must be determined by 8/1 each year.

4-yr transfer
must transfer at least 48S/72Q units with 2.00 GPA , attended 4-yr inst. 3S/4Q as full-time student, and complete 1 yr in residence at Big 12 school for aid, practice, comp. NCAA 4-yr transfer waivers are not applicable.

2-yr transfer:
AA w/48S /2.00 & 3S at JC. 4(non-conf)-2-4 transfer : AA w/48S & 2.00


Pac 10 Partial Qualifier Policy:

Effective 8/1/97:
Entering freshmen fall 97 and thereafter:

No more than 4 partial qualifiers per year as determined by institution may practice and receive aid or compete upon fulfillment of residence requirement. No more than 2 in men’s sports and no more than 2 in women’s sports, with no more than one in any one sport. Counts in academic year of original enrollment or when first reports for practice. All other PQs permanently ineligible for aid, practice, comp. Non-recruited, no athletic aid, no athletic admission, no practice
until 2nd year/no aid until 3rd year.

4-yr transfer (non conference) must meet all NCAA transfer requirements; transfer 48S/72Q degree credits with 2.00;
and attended 4-yr inst. 3S/4Q as full-time student to be eligible for practice, comp, aid. Exceptions available for non-recruited transfers and some
foreign students. No waivers.


SEC Partial Qualifier Policy:

FT Enrollment as Freshman or 4-4 Transfer
– Maximum limit of 4 SA’s classified as PQ or NQ in men’s sports (limit 2 in FB and not more than 1 annually in any other sport). Maximum limit of 4 SA’s classified as PQ or NQ in women’s sports (limit 1 per sport annually). PQ must receive athletic aid. Limits do not apply to LD SA who is otherwise eligible for enrollment.

4-yr transfer
: Transfer at least 48S/72Q units with 2.00 GPA, attended 4-yr inst. 3S/4Q as full-time student; and have at least 2 seasons of competition remaining. 2-year and 4-2-4: Must have AA and 48S/72Q with 2.00 & attend 3S at JC; earn 6 credits of transferable English with 2.00; earn 6 credits of transferable Math with 2.00.


You were wrong.  PERIOD.   

[ChicosBailBonds]

Alright Chicos, you continue to think Duke is at a disadvantage having Coach K working the sidelines in a Final Four. You're entitled to your opinion. Doesn't make you look very intelligent, but you have every right to have that opinion.

Please take the last word. The pictures above say it all for me.

You have lost your mind.  Where on earth did I say Coach K puts Duke at a disadvantage...he is one of the greatest coaches the sport has ever seen.  Show me where I said it?  Don't confuse the fact I said that even the greatest coaches can get blown out in a Final Four game, or get beat by a 15 or 14 seed, or that Bobby Knight can get pounded by 20+ points in a number of his last 6 NCAA tournament games at IU as somehow saying they aren't great coaches.  THEY ARE GREAT COACHES, and that's the entire point. 

EVEN GREAT COACHES GET BEAT AND BEAT BADLY IN THE NCAA TOURNAMENT AT TIMES.

GOT IT?   I dare say you don't.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Not to interrupt your owning of Chicos and his constant fellating of Crean...

But MU's loss to Kansas was not the worst in Final Four history.  MSU beat Penn in 1979 by a wider margin.

He's been devoid of facts throughout this thread, don't throw him a lifeline

[ChicosBailBonds]

Ahh you are right.  Not sure where I thought I saw it was the worst in the history of the FF.  Must've just been the 29 point halftime deficit we faced that was the biggest halftime lead in Final Four history.  I stand corrected.  Penn outdid us by 1.

Probably more like your biases continue to cloud your brain....but hey, Sultan is DEFENDING CREAN HERE by giving you facts.  Isn't that the memo?

SMDH

[wadesworld]

You have lost your mind.  Where on earth did I say Coach K puts Duke at a disadvantage...he is one of the greatest coaches the sport has ever seen.  Show me where I said it?  Don't confuse the fact I said that even the greatest coaches can get blown out in a Final Four game, or get beat by a 15 or 14 seed, or that Bobby Knight can get pounded by 20+ points in a number of his last 6 NCAA tournament games at IU as somehow saying they aren't great coaches.  THEY ARE GREAT COACHES, and that's the entire point. 

EVEN GREAT COACHES GET BEAT AND BEAT BADLY IN THE NCAA TOURNAMENT AT TIMES.

GOT IT?   I dare say you don't.

Your fault for misinterpreting my original response about Crean not being on Wisconsin's sideline. I thought it was pretty clear but your reading comprehension must not be a strength.

[wadesworld]

Probably more like your biases continue to cloud your brain....but hey, Sultan is DEFENDING CREAN HERE by giving you facts.  Isn't that the memo?

SMDH

Haha. Thank god we only lost by 33 and not 34 like Penn Chicos. I feel so much better about that loss now.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Your fault for misinterpreting my original response about Crean not being on Wisconsin's sideline. I thought it was pretty clear but your reading comprehension must not be a strength.

I read it just fine....your implication was because you don't think Crean is a good coach, the chances of them losing by 30 won't happen because Ryan is > than Crean.

Did I get it right?  Do I get a cookie?

So, since I did get it right, and then provided you with FACTUAL information how other coaches, some considered to be at the TOP OF THE MOUNTAIN have also got crushed in the Final Four, you have then gone into spin mode and saying things like Coach K wasn't very accomplished at that time(FALSE), and MU only had Wade which no one else of any power schools could recruit (FALSE), that we only got there because of Wade (FALSE), etc, etc.

You have spun so hard on this one you don't know what to do.  

[wadesworld]

I read it just fine....your implication was because you don't think Crean is a good coach, the chances of them losing by 30 won't happen because Ryan is > than Crean.

Did I get it right?  Do I get a cookie?

So, since I did get it right, and then provided you with FACTUAL information how other coaches, some considered to be at the TOP OF THE MOUNTAIN have also got crushed in the Final Four, you have then gone into spin mode and saying things like Coach K wasn't very accomplished (FALSE), and MU had Wade which no one else of any power schools could recruit (FALSE), etc, etc.

You have spun so hard on this one you don't know what to do.   

It's not very hard. Seems like everyone else got it. Crean has been to 1 FF and took the 2nd worse loss in FF history. If he was on Wisconsin's sideline tonight they might lose by 30. But he's not. You brought Coach K into this one. Wasn't very smart. Please see the pictures above.

[wadesworld]

You couldn't be more wrong and several were taken to the woodshed last year on this.


Assuming the "big 6" are the Big 12, Big Ten, ACC, SEC, Pac 12 and Big East.

In those conferences from 1996 to 2004, these were the following policies by conference on partial qualifiers.  Since Wade was a partial qualifier, the conferences below and their policies to recruit partial qualifiers.   Man up, you were wrong...dead wrong.

Tell me again what conference Purdue is in?  Tell me again how Glenn Big Dog Robinson wasn't a partial qualifer Prop 48.  LOL.   Other examples if you wish...some little school in Indiana called Notre Dame.  Tell me again how Tony Rice wasn't a partial qualifier and a Prop 48 player...please, tell me.  Would you like other examples?

Note that many of the Big 6 do have policies around partial qualifiers, but none of them exclude the university from taking PQ's.  Some do limit the number to only 2 per year for a men's sport, but nevertheless they can be taken.  The Big Ten and Big East have no such restrictions at all in place and can take as many players as they wish.

ACC Partial Qualifier Policy:

Effective 8/1/96:
Entering freshmen

– (First FT enrollment is ACC institution)
Maximum limit of 4 partial qualifiers per year per institution as determined by the institution may practice and receive aid (no more than 2 in men’s sports, and no more than 2 in women’s sports, with no more than one in any sport). PQ must receive athletic aid.

4-yr transfer
must transfer at least 48S/72Q units with 2.00 GPA and attended 4-yr inst. 3S/4Q as full-time student to be eligible for aid, comp, practice. Any waivers require 6 affirmative votes (excluding involved institution).


Big East Partial Qualifier Policy:

No policy limitations on Partial Qualifiers.  No limitations of any kind.




Big Ten Partial Qualifier Policy:

No policy limitations on Partial Qualifiers.  No limitations of any kind.


Big 12 Partial Qualifier Policy:

Effective 6/96:

Entering freshmen
- No more than 4 partial qualifiers per year as determined by the institution may practice and receive aid (no more than 2 in men's sports, and no more
than 2 in women’s sports, with no more than one in any sport). PQ status must be determined by 8/1 each year.

4-yr transfer
must transfer at least 48S/72Q units with 2.00 GPA , attended 4-yr inst. 3S/4Q as full-time student, and complete 1 yr in residence at Big 12 school for aid, practice, comp. NCAA 4-yr transfer waivers are not applicable.

2-yr transfer:
AA w/48S /2.00 & 3S at JC. 4(non-conf)-2-4 transfer : AA w/48S & 2.00


Pac 10 Partial Qualifier Policy:

Effective 8/1/97:
Entering freshmen fall 97 and thereafter:

No more than 4 partial qualifiers per year as determined by institution may practice and receive aid or compete upon fulfillment of residence requirement. No more than 2 in men’s sports and no more than 2 in women’s sports, with no more than one in any one sport. Counts in academic year of original enrollment or when first reports for practice. All other PQs permanently ineligible for aid, practice, comp. Non-recruited, no athletic aid, no athletic admission, no practice
until 2nd year/no aid until 3rd year.

4-yr transfer (non conference) must meet all NCAA transfer requirements; transfer 48S/72Q degree credits with 2.00;
and attended 4-yr inst. 3S/4Q as full-time student to be eligible for practice, comp, aid. Exceptions available for non-recruited transfers and some
foreign students. No waivers.


SEC Partial Qualifier Policy:

FT Enrollment as Freshman or 4-4 Transfer
– Maximum limit of 4 SA’s classified as PQ or NQ in men’s sports (limit 2 in FB and not more than 1 annually in any other sport). Maximum limit of 4 SA’s classified as PQ or NQ in women’s sports (limit 1 per sport annually). PQ must receive athletic aid. Limits do not apply to LD SA who is otherwise eligible for enrollment.

4-yr transfer
: Transfer at least 48S/72Q units with 2.00 GPA, attended 4-yr inst. 3S/4Q as full-time student; and have at least 2 seasons of competition remaining. 2-year and 4-2-4: Must have AA and 48S/72Q with 2.00 & attend 3S at JC; earn 6 credits of transferable English with 2.00; earn 6 credits of transferable Math with 2.00.


You were wrong.  PERIOD.   

So what you're saying is that 2 players in an 8 year period went to high majors as partial qualifiers? Okay. So the point remains Wade fell into Crean's hands.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Haha. Thank god we only lost by 33 and not 34 like Penn Chicos. I feel so much better about that loss now.

Some people live in a world that they can't enjoy anything.  I enjoyed our first Final Four in 25 years that year, and defeating #1 Kentucky, #7 Pittsburgh....we haven't been to a Final Four since.  We came close in an Elite 8 game a few years ago, but only managed to score 39 points....tied for the 2nd lowest in NCAA tournament history in the shot clock era for a Sweet 16 or later game....since you like stats so much.  So there's that....oh, and that was against a team we already beat that season and played twice per year, knew them inside and out and were in our conference. 

[wadesworld]

Some people live in a world that they can't enjoy anything.  I enjoyed our first Final Four in 25 years that year, and defeating #1 Kentucky, #7 Pittsburgh....we haven't been to a Final Four since.  We came close in an Elite 8 game a few years ago, but only managed to score 39 points....tied for the 2nd lowest in NCAA tournament history in the shot clock era for a Sweet 16 or later game....since you like stats so much.  So there's that....oh, and that was against a team we already beat that season and played twice per year, knew them inside and out and were in our conference.  

And they knew us inside and out.

Bert sucks.  Not arguing that.

I brought up Coach Crean's Final Four game.  How hard is it?  I don't know why you're bringing anything else up.  I brought up his 1 game coaching in the Final Four.  His coaching performance in the Final Four.  It really isn't that hard Chicos.  There is nothing more to it, nothing less.  I brought up the 1 time Coach Crean coached in the Final Four.  It was a great run to get there.  I would take going to the Final Four and losing by 33 every year.  Or once every 5 years.  Or once every 10 years even.  But all of that is besides the point.  I brought up his one game coaching in the Final Four.  Not.  Hard.  To.  Understand.  And nothing.  More.  To.  It.

[ChicosBailBonds]

It's not very hard. Seems like everyone else got it. Crean has been to 1 FF and took the 2nd worse loss in FF history. If he was on Wisconsin's sideline tonight they might lose by 30. But he's not. You brought Coach K into this one. Wasn't very smart. Please see the pictures above.

Yes, because even Coach K can lose by 30...exactly the point...which is why he was brought into it, to show you how in your shallow thinking you don't have the mindset to understand how other teams have been blown out even if coached by very accomplished coaches.   They are pretty pictures, how come you didn't post the ones of Coach losing to Mercer, or Lehigh, or getting drubbed by 30 in the Final Four...those all happened too.  Or Bob Knight losing by 20+ to worse seeded teams in his final 6 years....was Knight not an accomplished coach?  LOL

It can happen to anyone....which I'm sure most posters also got here...if not, here are some reminders.

I guess Crean was coaching in that game at age 22 in 1990, and the last few years.

The irony of you keep saying to own Sharma and you can't own this is hilarious.  

[ChicosBailBonds]

So what you're saying is that 2 players in an 8 year period went to high majors as partial qualifiers? Okay. So the point remains Wade fell into Crean's hands.

No, I'm saying you were flat wrong....you still can't admit it.  Big Ten and other conferences could take partial qualifiers.....just man up, own it.

I gave you two examples, and offered others....I did not say 2 players in an 8 year period.  I GAVE YOU two examples, big difference.

And you accuse me of reading comprehension problems...Jeezbus H Christmas.

[MUEng92]

So, watching the Duke Team Stream, it occurred to me that I hadn't seen a closeup of Tom Izzo or a single MSU crowd shot. Yeah, no matter how bad the announcers are, I'm watching the Kentucky Team Stream for the next game