Does Bucky NOT have a Basketball NIL?

[Not A Serious Person]

https://x.com/Karley_Marotta/status/1783262813458215103

Greg Gard talks about NIL and the transfer portal as well as Chucky and AJ leaving.

“If anybody in your right mind told any of you guys that you could go triple your income by doing a different job, you would do it in a heartbeat.”

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

This topic is currently being discussed in the 2024 Transfer Portal thread.

[Uncle Rico]

Classic

[wadesworld]

Superbar.

And triple a budget if 0 is 0. Good clickbait title though, you win!

[94Warrior]

They have plenty of $$$ for NIL.  It's a variation of the age-old excuse when they can't understand why a kid would leave, or not want to come to, their esteemed University of Wisconsin @ Madison.

1.  Bo/Gard cooled on the kid.
2.  He didn't have the grades to get in.
3.  He wanted to go to a school where he didn't have to go to class.
4.  And now, we don't have the NIL money to compete with other schools in the transfer portal.

Whatever makes them feel better!

Just think of the endless chatter you'd hear if they ever had 2 academic All-Americans on their team.  But, since it just happed at MU there is nary a whisper. 

[Stretchdeltsig]

Hard has always blamed others, the players or things for his lack of success. Now he's blaming the portal and nil. The guy has never blamed himself for his poor recruiting and lousy coaching. Sad.

[Not A Serious Person]

Greg Gard Opens Up on NIL, How the Badgers Can Be More Competitive in Transfer Portal

Wisconsin has lost a total of seven players to the transfer portal and has currently yet to make an addition.

https://247sports.com/college/wisconsin/article/greg-gard-wisconsin-badgers-basketball-opens-up-on-nil-how-uw-can-be-more-active-in-transfer-portal-230927052/

However, the issue isn't necessarily losing players. It's being unable to win recruiting battles in the open market and replace those bodies. NIL and pay-for-play have essentially become one and the same. Gone are the days of selling your program's winning culture, play style, academics, campus life, etc. Most top players are going to the highest bidder and UW has currently struck out with every serious target they've pursued.

[Uncle Rico]

Classic

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

College basketball is as doomed as Apple stock and ESPN.

[Its DJOver]

I hate uw-madison as much as the next guy, but when they comment that we have little brother syndrome, this is what they're talking about.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I hate uw-madison as much as the next guy, but when they comment that we have little brother syndrome, this is what they're talking about.

Why should we care?

[Its DJOver]

Why should we care?

We shouldn't, but people will get upset nonetheless, just ask Viper.

I'm all for pointing and laughing when they have an unexpected transfer or lose out on a recruit that was supposedly a lock, but starting a new thread with articles about their NIL strategy and GG quotes screams inferiority complex.

[Uncle Rico]

We shouldn't, but people will get upset nonetheless, just ask Viper.

I'm all for pointing and laughing when they have an unexpected transfer or lose out on a recruit that was supposedly a lock, but starting a new thread with articles about their NIL strategy and GG quotes screams inferiority complex.

Look at who started the thread and ignored the conversation taking place in another thread.

You are right about the little brother syndrome, though.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

We shouldn't, but people will get upset nonetheless, just ask Viper.

I'm all for pointing and laughing when they have an unexpected transfer or lose out on a recruit that was supposedly a lock, but starting a new thread with articles about their NIL strategy and GG quotes screams inferiority complex.

Why do I care if they think we have an inferiority complex?

[Its DJOver]

Why do I care if they think we have an inferiority complex?

YOU clearly don't.  Many member of the MU community do.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

I hate uw-madison as much as the next guy, but when they comment that we have little brother syndrome, this is what they're talking about.

With a picture of viper next to the comment

[PJDunn]

Threads like this make me glad that my tenure in Wisconsin was only 4 years.

[tower912]

Why do I care if they think we have an inferiority complex?

You have a superiority complex.

[lawdog77]

You have a superiority complex.

Not just on this topic 

[tower912]

I never said just on this topic.   

[Viper]

We shouldn't, but people will get upset nonetheless, just ask Viper.

I'm all for pointing and laughing when they have an unexpected transfer or lose out on a recruit that was supposedly a lock, but starting a new thread with articles about their NIL strategy and GG quotes screams inferiority complex.

…haha!…my RED hate goes back to ‘82 or thereabouts…reenforced by way of a healthy in-family Hatfield McCoy that I 100% enjoy. We are the big dog but Walmart Badger is insufferable. And, U of Dane Cty has had more hoops success than we have had the past two decades. So, we keep our enemy close, and celebrate their misery. Let’s face it, UW was once current day DePaul. No longer. Haven’t been since Stu Jackson got em going. And, with ND avoiding us, the RED rivalry is all the more in focus. Zero inferiority complex, but 100% healthy hate. After all, when it comes to the Red Menace, a little hate is…good.

[withoutbias]

For anyone who thinks this is proof of MU having an inferiority complex, you should probably check out Buckyville.

[WarriorDoc]

For anyone who thinks this is proof of MU having an inferiority complex, you should probably check out Buckyville.

They are throwing every bit of cope at the wall. Copes I’ve read, paraphrased:

“I’m ok with having real standards for NIL if it means sacrificing a few wins, but if it ends up being more than a few wins I’ll object”

“There is superior value of the UW alumni network, academics, etc beyond just basketball” (my favorite response to this was yes, they’ll do a great job selling insurance in Madison)

“These guys have no in-state pride anymore”

Hope it makes them sleep better at night. I wish them well - although considering Wisconsin’s play style, lacking NIL, and Gard’s track record - I do think they will be a middling Big Ten team for the next 3-5 years until they make a coaching change.

[PointWarrior]

“There is superior value of the UW alumni network, academics, etc beyond just basketball” (my favorite response to this was yes, they’ll do a great job selling insurance in Madison)


Or a crapty radio gig on ESPN Wisconsin. 

[MU82]

Madison's the only school with an active "alumni network."

Tonight, my wife and I went to an outdoor concert. I was wearing my gold Marquette hat. A guy with a Marquette polo shirt comes up and we have small talk. Turns out he was an engineering grad who has a job with a suburban Charlotte engineering firm - along with 4 other Marquette alums. Seems the owner of the company also was a Marquette grad.

[cheebs09]

Gard's on a warm seat and playing up to his base why he's losing players. Easy to just blame the craziness that is NIL.

[MUfan12]

Best part of MU becoming a very good program is that I don't have to give a crap about UW. The basketball fan base in state is such a front running one that they tend to be pretty quiet outside of our matchup in December.

[CountryRoads]

Gard's on a warm seat and playing up to his base why he's losing players. Easy to just blame the craziness that is NIL.

I’d be surprised if he’s their coach this time next year. Seems clueless on how to navigate this new landscape and just points fingers at everyone but himself. Despite losing 3 in a row to them, it’s good for MU as long as Gard is the coach. They’re pretty much irrelevant now.

[PointWarrior]

Madison's the only school with an active "alumni network."

Tonight, my wife and I went to an outdoor concert. I was wearing my gold Marquette hat. A guy with a Marquette polo shirt comes up and we have small talk. Turns out he was an engineering grad who has a job with a suburban Charlotte engineering firm - along with 4 other Marquette alums. Seems the owner of the company also was a Marquette grad.

Between the "Harvard of the Midwest" and the "active Alumni network" - the delusions are grand at UW-Madison

[Hards Alumni]

I’d be surprised if he’s their coach this time next year. Seems clueless on how to navigate this new landscape and just points fingers at everyone but himself. Despite losing 3 in a row to them, it’s good for MU as long as Gard is the coach. They’re pretty much irrelevant now.

I'll disagree.  Gard isn't a fool.  This isn't some impossible to understand concept.

UW doesn't have the resources or collectives built is what is really at play.

Plus football > basketball for their fans.

[Viper]

I’d be surprised if he’s their coach this time next year. Seems clueless on how to navigate this new landscape and just points fingers at everyone but himself. Despite losing 3 in a row to them, it’s good for MU as long as Gard is the coach. They’re pretty much irrelevant now.

doubtful they play .500 ball next season with their current roster. The AD, McIntosh, is a football guy (former UW player) but he’ll probably move on from Gard at that point, though not sure of the financials of that.

[Viper]

Between the "Harvard of the Midwest" and the "active Alumni network" - the delusions are grand at UW-Madison

I’ll use the Brett Favre analogy. Favre could toss 3picks and still fire heaters through double coverage. No conscience.
Badger basketball had a 50 yr run w/o a ncaa tourney bid. No matter. Badger guy still talked trash like they were ucla. Football? Mention the late ‘80’s and the veer offense that produced a winless BIG season. Badger guy starts to mumble incoherently before beating his chest about that ‘92 Rose Bowl.
Red football and basketball have been solid since the early ‘90’s, sure. But to Badger guy UW is Alabama football Duke basketball in a blender. I think you have to live in-state and NOT be a Badger fan to fully grasp this cult of delusion. academics? Don’t get me started.

[Uncle Rico]

I’ll use the Brett Favre analogy. Favre could toss 3picks and still fire heaters through double coverage. No conscience.
Badger basketball had a 50 yr run w/o a ncaa tourney bid. No matter. Badger guy still talked trash like there were ucla. Football? Mention the late ‘80’s and the veer offense that produced a winless BIG season. Badger guy starts to mumble incoherently before beating his chest about that ‘92 Rose Bowl.
Red football and basketball have been solid since the early ‘90’s, sure. But to Badger guy UW is Alabama football Duke basketball in a blender. I think you have to live in-state and NOT be a Badger fan to fully grasp this cult of delusion. academics? Don’t get me started.

🙄

[brewcity77]

I actually wonder if this is a move by UW to move on from Gard. Barry's hand was forced by Bo's retirement timing and Gard was never McIntosh's guy. So say the NIL coffers are dry, leave him with a gutted roster, and if (when) he fails put all the blame on Gard and bring in a new coach, new style, and suddenly announced the NIL coffers are full to bursting for the new guy. I'd be very curious to know what happened to his buyout with his latest rolling extension.

[cheebs09]

I actually wonder if this is a move by UW to move on from Gard. Barry's hand was forced by Bo's retirement timing and Gard was never McIntosh's guy. So say the NIL coffers are dry, leave him with a gutted roster, and if (when) he fails put all the blame on Gard and bring in a new coach, new style, and suddenly announced the NIL coffers are full to bursting for the new guy. I'd be very curious to know what happened to his buyout with his latest rolling extension.

After the firing of Chryst, I'm not sure I'd see McIntosh prolonging anything. It almost feels a crummy season could be more expensive than just pulling the plug now.

[Hards Alumni]

I actually wonder if this is a move by UW to move on from Gard. Barry's hand was forced by Bo's retirement timing and Gard was never McIntosh's guy. So say the NIL coffers are dry, leave him with a gutted roster, and if (when) he fails put all the blame on Gard and bring in a new coach, new style, and suddenly announced the NIL coffers are full to bursting for the new guy. I'd be very curious to know what happened to his buyout with his latest rolling extension.

YEP

[Uncle Rico]

I actually wonder if this is a move by UW to move on from Gard. Barry's hand was forced by Bo's retirement timing and Gard was never McIntosh's guy. So say the NIL coffers are dry, leave him with a gutted roster, and if (when) he fails put all the blame on Gard and bring in a new coach, new style, and suddenly announced the NIL coffers are full to bursting for the new guy. I'd be very curious to know what happened to his buyout with his latest rolling extension.

If it is, it sure is a ham-fisted way to do it.

I know there are guys out there with Wisconsin ties currently experiencing success as coaches but I’m not sure Nate Oats or TJ Otz are pining for that gig.

I know enough folks in Otz’s circles that Wisconsin is not a destination gig for him, not that he wouldn’t take it if offered since money talks and his ties with the important people of Wisconsin AAU programs and the such.  I could see him staying at Iowa State as long as the money is comparable.  Plus, his system isn’t all that different from what they run at Wisconsin now.

Won’t matter.  They’ll probably finish in the top-4 of the Big 18 anyway. 

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

After the firing of Chryst, I'm not sure I'd see McIntosh prolonging anything. It almost feels a crummy season could be more expensive than just pulling the plug now.

Coaches who make the NCAAT don't get fired.  They sometimes "mutually part ways" but if Gards unwilling then they are stuck waiting for a bad season

[Dickthedribbler]

I think Greg Gard is a decent guy, and if he had a different job, I'd probably root for him to succeed.

But in the brave new world of navigating NIL in college basketball, I also think Gard is a nickel-dime poker player in a room full of sharks. When he got into coaching 25 years ago, it was pretty much x's and o's; chasing 16 year old kids around the AAU circuit every summer; and speaking at the local Catholic Church pancake breakfast every month or so. That's a far cry from bringing in an A J Storr and then watching him go into the transfer portal 9 months later. Or trying to decide whether or not to give Chuck Hepburn a million dollars a year, when 10 years ago you couldn't even give the kid a ride to class without getting in trouble.

I just don't think Gard will adapt very well to the current college basketball climate, and that will be the undoing. Reminds me of that old gambling saying-----if you sit down at a table to play with a bunch of strangers, pay close attention to how the first few hands are played, in an attempt to identify the biggest stiff, or "mark" at the table. And after a few hands if you can't identify anyone, then it's probably you.

[wadesworld]

I think Gard is just an average basketball coach, and always has been.  He went to two Sweet 16s with Bo's rosters (and system) his first 2 years.  He's had 2 Tournament wins in 7 years since and missed 3 NCAA Tournaments.  They had made 19 straight NCAA Tournaments prior to that, and prior to Gard taking over they were lower (as in a worse seed) than a 5 seed once in the previous 9 years.

This isn't a transfer portal or NIL thing.  It's not something that just came about.  He's just an average college basketball coach, who took over for a Hall of Famer.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I think Gard is just an average basketball coach, and always has been.  He went to two Sweet 16s with Bo's rosters (and system) his first 2 years.  He's had 2 Tournament wins in 7 years since and missed 3 NCAA Tournaments.  They had made 19 straight NCAA Tournaments prior to that, and prior to Gard taking over they were lower than a 5 seed once in the previous 9 years.

This isn't a transfer portal or NIL thing.  It's not something that just came about.  He's just an average college basketball coach, who took over for a Hall of Famer.

Who’s done just good enough to keep his gig.

[wadesworld]

Who’s done just good enough to keep his gig.

Yup.

[cheebs09]

I think Gard is just an average basketball coach, and always has been.  He went to two Sweet 16s with Bo's rosters (and system) his first 2 years.  He's had 2 Tournament wins in 7 years since and missed 3 NCAA Tournaments.  They had made 19 straight NCAA Tournaments prior to that, and prior to Gard taking over they were lower than a 5 seed once in the previous 9 years.

This isn't a transfer portal or NIL thing.  It's not something that just came about.  He's just an average college basketball coach, who took over for a Hall of Famer.

It kind of reminds me of Buzz coming in after Crean. Both walked into really experienced teams the first year. Buzz was able to retool and build strong teams. Gard hasn't been able to after those that experienced tourney success left.

[BrewCity83]

doubtful they play .500 ball next season with their current roster. The AD, McIntosh, is a football guy (former UW player) but he’ll probably move on from Gard at that point, though not sure of the financials of that.

Well, they obviously won't be playing with the current roster.  They've got what, 5 immediate open scholarships?  But the way their portal recruits are rejecting Gard, it's hard to see them building a winning roster for next season.

[MU82]

I think Gard is just an average basketball coach, and always has been.  He went to two Sweet 16s with Bo's rosters (and system) his first 2 years.  He's had 2 Tournament wins in 7 years since and missed 3 NCAA Tournaments.  They had made 19 straight NCAA Tournaments prior to that, and prior to Gard taking over they were lower (as in a worse seed) than a 5 seed once in the previous 9 years.

This isn't a transfer portal or NIL thing.  It's not something that just came about.  He's just an average college basketball coach, who took over for a Hall of Famer.

Yep, I made a similar point a few days ago. His record has been just OK. That he is behind the times in today's college basketball landscape is just extra frosting on the Gard turd.

[Hards Alumni]

Kirk Penney added to Gard's staff as a special assistant to the coach.

Gard's replacement on deck.

[cheebs09]

Kirk Penney added to Gard's staff as a special assistant to the coach.

Gard's replacement on deck.

"I love that kiwi" -Badger Hate Week video

[Viper]

Kirk Penney added to Gard's staff as a special assistant to the coach.

Gard's replacement on deck.

…Kirk Penny…I was at that game in ‘01 when he dropped 33 on us. UW won the game by way of mystery fouls (3) called on Wade in that first half, in Madison. They were up 20,  DWade led a huge comeback with 21 in the second half that fell just short. Penny!

[WhiteTrash]

Between the "Harvard of the Midwest" and the "active Alumni network" - the delusions are grand at UW-Madison

Excuse Me?!?!  Harvard is the "UW-Madison of the Northeast"

You MU people don't learn real good.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Kirk Penney added to Gard's staff as a special assistant to the coach.

Gard's replacement on deck.

He was already on the staff.

[Hards Alumni]

He was already on the staff.

Yeah, but now he is special!

[Scoop Snoop]

Excuse Me?!?!  Harvard is the "UW-Madison of the Northeast"

You MU people don't learn real good.

When we first met, my wife told me she was impressed that I was a Marquette alumnus, because she thought of Marquette as "the Harvard of the Midwest". Get it straight WhiteTrash! Otherwise, I'll sic my wife and her entire family on you. You'll wish you were never born.

[WhiteTrash]

When we first met, my wife told me she was impressed that I was a Marquette alumnus, because she thought of Marquette as "the Harvard of the Midwest". Get it straight WhiteTrash! Otherwise, I'll sic my wife and her entire family on you. You'll wish you were never born.

I'll stand down. Being an MU grad, I'm smart enough to know when to quit.

I like your wife's thoughts on MU. I had a coworker who was genuinely shocked to learn MU wasn't a top 20 school in the USNWR nonsense.

[tower912]

Is Amos an upgrade over Yalden?

[MUfan12]

Is Amos an upgrade over Yalden?

Depends on which family you talk to.

[MU82]

Is Amos an upgrade over Yalden?

Obvi. Nobody ever heard of Yalden Alonzo Stagg.

[Nutty]

Is Amos an upgrade over Yalden?

A toasted bagel is an upgrade over what Yalden did last season.  Gus probably ate all of the team's bagels when he had the munchies

[JWags85]

Kirk Penney added to Gard's staff as a special assistant to the coach.

Gard's replacement on deck.

That would be hilarious.  To go from assuming they could easily poach Tony Bennett or Shaka to hiring a guy who has 1 year of being a college assistant after spending basically 20 years away from American basketball.

I’m frankly shocked he’s going the college assistant grind route when he could probably sleepwalk into a HC gig in the NBL and then try to leap.