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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: T.V. Diener 34 on March 02, 2011, 10:49:11 AM
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Via twitter....
GottliebShow Doug Gottlieb
If ark fires PELL-IF then MA of Mizzou 1st call Buzz Williams would love 2b involved, there will b speculation about JD as AD was at Pitt
Anybody know if there is any truth to this or if Gottlieb is just talking out of his arse?
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I asked him if Ark was really a better job... this was his reply
@bobforner WAY better. MU is a good job Ark is Gr8 1 BT school n state sick facilities,memphis,LR&La recruit-tradition fans Wal-mart planes
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Via twitter....
GottliebShow Doug Gottlieb
If ark fires PELL-IF then MA of Mizzou 1st call Buzz Williams would love 2b involved, there will b speculation about JD as AD was at Pitt
Anybody know if there is any truth to this or if Gottlieb is just talking out of his arse?
It's Arkansas! It's Arkansas!
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Arkansas is a very good job. I could see why he would be interested given connections to Texas, etc. However, my sense with Gottlieb is that he oftentimes jumps to conclusions and has to backtrack later on. I mean, is he basing Buzz's supposed interest on conversations he has had with him or people close to him? Or is it speculation based on his background?
Who knows at this point.
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I thought Buzz said he was going to stay at MU as long as MU wanted him to stay. :)
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Arkansas is a very good job. I could see why he would be interested given connections to Texas, etc. However, my sense with Gottlieb is that he oftentimes jumps to conclusions and has to backtrack later on. I mean, is he basing Buzz's supposed interest on conversations he has had with him or people close to him? Or is it speculation based on his background?
Who knows at this point.
Agreed.
Buzz may or may not be interested in that job. I have no clue.
But I would be surprised if Buzz was sharing his thoughts on that with Doug Gottlieb. My guess is that this is speculation on Gottlieb's part, which is fine because that's part of his job.
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If Buzz plans on leaving, it is largely due to the pressure by some MU fans for over achieving this season and last year. One must know that cold Milwaukee, is not a highly touted destination for coaches and prime time athletes. We are absolutely lucky to have a coach like Buzz. The only reason why top 100 recruits are coming to MU is because of BUZZ and his coaching staff!
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I like Buzz Williams, and therefore, I think Gottlieb is jumping the gun a little bit.
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I dislike Buzz Williams, and therefore, I think he is leaking his name to various media members in an attempt to get a new job/raise.
That's how this is going to go down, right? If we "like" our coach, we will shrug this kind of stuff off. If we dislike him, tweets will be the smoking gun we are looking for to prove it.
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HMMMMMM.....In Buzz we trust.
Fayetteville has nothing over Milwaukee.
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I hope schools come after Buzz yearly. That would mean he's doin' a great job at MU.
And I also hope he bends over and blows each other school a big, long, loud kiss. That would mean Marquette is taking good care of him and he's content here.
Unlike the other creanpuff that cashed a paycheck here, I doubt that Buzz will be hot on the pursuit of other gigs on a yearly basis.
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If Buzz plans on leaving, it is largely due to the pressure by some MU fans for over achieving this season and last year.
Says who?
It will be like that every job that is 'better' than ours.
He'll be expected to be in a elite 8 within 4 years at AR.
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If Buzz plans on leaving, it is largely due to the pressure by some MU fans for over achieving this season and last year.
Oh please. Give me a break. You really think MU is a high pressure job??? It's nothing compared to Arkansas.
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I hope schools come after Buzz yearly. That would mean he's doin' a great job at MU.
And I also hope he bends over and blows each other school a big, long, loud kiss. That would mean Marquette is taking good care of him and he's content here.
Unlike the other creanpuff that cashed a paycheck here, I doubt that Buzz will be hot on the pursuit of other gigs ona yearly basis.
Pay the man already! Barring an epic unforseen sh*tstorm, we're tourney bound yet again in the first year with all of his own players. And he's got the pipeline stocked - don't give him a single reason to leave.
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Oh please. Give me a break. You really think MU is a high pressure job??? It's nothing compared to Arkansas.
Seriously. Yeah things got testy here in the middle of conference play, but it pales in comparison to the state schools, especially in the SEC.
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I really don't think salary would be the reason he stays or leaves. MU can match pretty much anything Arkansas can do...unless they go Hog wild. (I'm so funny...) He'd leave for other reasons...closer to home...his recruiting "grounds"...more conference stability.
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Seriously. Yeah things got testy here in the middle of conference play, but it pales in comparison to the state schools, especially in the SEC.
The flip side of that is that at all SEC schools not named Kentucky, hoops plays a distant second fiddle to football when it comes to pressure and expectations. At Marquette, hoops is the only fiddle.
Still, generally I agree ... the pressure and expectations at Arkansas certainly won't be any lower than at MU.
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He isn't leaving. One guy is saying this. Marquette for basketball is better than Arkansas
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The flip side of that is that at all SEC schools not named Kentucky, hoops plays a distant second fiddle to football when it comes to pressure and expectations. At Marquette, hoops is the only fiddle.
Still, generally I agree ... the pressure and expectations at Arkansas certainly won't be any lower than at MU.
And Vanderbilt :)
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Maybe Kansas, but not ArKansas
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IF Pelphrey goes Dixon and/or Buzz would be interested? Shenanigans. Crean tossed his name out there like a business card at a convention and even HE said no to Arkansas. Not a step up. Unfortunately for the razorbacks, if they run Pelphrey, there isn't any hot young mid-major coaches really making a name for themselves this year.
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I hope Buzz is here a long, long time. The only job I would actually encourage him to take when it becomes available is the one in Bloomington. I can't think of anything I'd enjoy more, in fact.
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Cottingham needs to be a little more pro-active this time, make sure his coach isn't ducking out as soon as he gets on a plane to go somewhere (that still pisses me off, what a jackazz move by Crean).
If we're being real Ark is more "Buzz's people" down there and is closer to his recruiting ties. We need to make sure the Williams family is happy when these other good jobs come calling so we can show them MU is done being a stepping stone.
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IF Pelphrey goes Dixon and/or Buzz would be interested? Shenanigans. Crean tossed his name out there like a business card at a convention and even HE said no to Arkansas. Not a step up. Unfortunately for the razorbacks, if they run Pelphrey, there isn't any hot young mid-major coaches really making a name for themselves this year.
Jeter is coach of the year in the Horizon league. He got UW-M playing well the 2nd half of the conference season.
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There is no way that Gottlieb knows anything about Buzz. Don't forget, ESPN is the network that thought Lebron might sign with the New Jersey Nets.
I pay attention to the rumors, but know that ESPN has basically become People magazine. It's just a gossip column. Buzz Williams is interested in AK, like Andrew Bynum might get traded for Howard, Anthony, etc., and Brad Pitt is winked at some celebrity at Starbucks so maybe they are dating.
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If ark fires PELL-IF then MA of Mizzou 1st call Buzz Williams would love 2b involved, there will b speculation about JD as AD was at Pitt
The ridiculousness of trying to translate this sentence is why twitter sucks
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Mike Anderson would probably be the first call from Arkansas is what he is saying....which does make it seem more like his tweets are just the local speculation down in Arky.
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Ark is 18-10, 7-7 in conference and just beat Kentucky last week. They also beat Vandy this year. Are they that upset with Pelphrey?
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The ridiculousness of trying to translate this sentence is why twitter sucks
+1 or whatever the maximum number of pluses one can give.
Twitter also sucks because it creates unnecessary, unwarranted, and almost always unsubstantiated stories
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Twitter is good for breaking news. And it isn't that hard to translate what he said:
What he said:
If ark fires PELL-IF then MA of Mizzou 1st call Buzz Williams would love 2b involved, there will b speculation about JD as AD was at Pitt
What it means:
If Arkansas fires Pelphrey, and that's a big if, then Mike Anderson of Missouri would be their first call. Buzz Williams would love to be involved. There would be speculation about Jaimie Dixon since the current Athletic Director used to be at Pitt.
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I thought Buzz said he was going to stay at MU as long as MU wanted him to stay. :)
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It would seem very uncharacteristic of Buzz to leave. As it stands today, I still 100% take him for his word.
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Isn't this the same Doug Gottlieb that said MU wouldn't make the tourney just prior to last year's Senior Day loss?
Would have loved to see his face when that #6 popped up on SS (although, a fat lot of good that did for us).
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http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/88881442.html
This is what he said 345 days ago. Rohrshach test blot. Either you believe him or you don't.
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I wouldn't hang my hat on that
I can cite a boatload of times coaches have said they are staying at their current job and then turn around the next day or week and head off.
We just won't know until his character is revealed by his actions.
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I wouldn't hang my hat on that
I can cite a boatload of times coaches have said they are staying at their current job and then turn around the next day or week and head off.
We just won't know until his character is revealed by his actions.
Absolutely.
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I hope Buzz is here a long, long time. The only job I would actually encourage him to take when it becomes available is the one in Bloomington. I can't think of anything I'd enjoy more, in fact.
When this happens, I'm in for contributing toward a new banner.
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Hog fans on Buzz:
http://www.hogville.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=392251.0
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This is a biased remark, but I just don't think you leave this conference right now to go coach in the SEC unless you are going to Kentucky. The Big East is just that strong right now.
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Hog fans on Buzz:
http://www.hogville.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=392251.0
I'm now dumber, for having read that. Ughhh...SEC fans give me a headache.
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Maybe they did, but I do not remember MU extending Buzz's contract. You also have Father Wild leaving. Buzz said he would stay as long as MU wanted him, but if they are not extending his contract what does that say about MU wanting him?
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Am I missing something on Arkansas? They are completely irrelevant to me when I think about college hoops. They are one of the last teams I think of if I had to name all the SEC teams. They were good 15-20 years ago, but I never hear of them doing anything.
They would be very, very lucky to have Buzz. However, no way would Buzz do that.
My prediction, Buzz will be here as long as we will have him as long as we are in the Big East, unless Texas comes calling.
There are very few schools where Buzz would legitimately go.
Big Ten- Maybe MSU, but I would guess they would be a within the family type of school if Izzo left. Indiana will not be coming back to MU after they get tired of Crean's act. No other school is that much better than MU. Remember when Iowa thought he would go there?
B12- I think it is only Texas. I don't think he goes to Baylor/TAMU/Texas Tech. We're lucky Bill Self is young, but who knows if they would come to Buzz anyway. There is no decision if Kansas called Buzz and no one would blame him.
SEC- Maybe FL. He has to take the KY job, but Calipari is there for the longrun IMO. I can't really see Arkansas happening.
ACC- Duke/UNC will likely only hire within their family.
I can't imagine Buzz going to another BE school. MU would ask for a huge number on the buyout.
People are always going to speculate. Remember, we speculated on people like Bruce Weber or Bob Knight to come here when Crean did us a favor in April 2008.
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Chicos and Ners post on the Arkansas boards too? Is that where they met up during their "vacation?"
I really want to believe Buzz when he says he's here as long as we will have him, but situations may change. I hope he's here for the long haul.
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This is a biased remark, but I just don't think you leave this conference right now to go coach in the SEC unless you are going to Kentucky. The Big East is just that strong right now.
This can work both ways though. A coach might see the SEC as a wide open conference where it's easier to succeed.
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Don't forget, Buzz would have to be a whole different person if we were to become a state actor. Tax payers cannot pay for a coach to spread God's Word at a public school. MU fits Buzz like a glove in that respect.
Arkansas makes less and less sense the more I think about it. These last three years have been tough without having two recruiting classes. Why would Buzz want to make a parallel move and build up a program again? He finally has his program developed, and why start back at the bottom. Crean was in the same spot where he had just built up a program and it was ready to just roll along. However, rightfully so, "it's Indiana." You just have to take that job. Arkansas is not even close in my opinion.
Buzz may leave some day, but why not wait for the absolute perfect job? There is no reason to bounce around all the time, especially if he is getting paid well.
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Am I missing something on Arkansas? They are completely irrelevant to me when I think about college hoops. They are one of the last teams I think of if I had to name all the SEC teams. They were good 15-20 years ago, but I never hear of them doing anything.
They would be very, very lucky to have Buzz. However, no way would Buzz do that.
My prediction, Buzz will be here as long as we will have him as long as we are in the Big East, unless Texas comes calling.
There are very few schools where Buzz would legitimately go.
Big Ten- Maybe MSU, but I would guess they would be a within the family type of school if Izzo left. Indiana will not be coming back to MU after they get tired of Crean's act. No other school is that much better than MU. Remember when Iowa thought he would go there?
B12- I think it is only Texas. I don't think he goes to Baylor/TAMU/Texas Tech. We're lucky Bill Self is young, but who knows if they would come to Buzz anyway. There is no decision if Kansas called Buzz and no one would blame him.
SEC- Maybe FL. He has to take the KY job, but Calipari is there for the longrun IMO. I can't really see Arkansas happening.
ACC- Duke/UNC will likely only hire within their family.
I can't imagine Buzz going to another BE school. MU would ask for a huge number on the buyout.
People are always going to speculate. Remember, we speculated on people like Bruce Weber or Bob Knight to come here when Crean did us a favor in April 2008.
Since you mentioned Bruce Weber... what about Buzz to Illinois? A lot of people in Champaign aren't real happy with Bruce right now. He supposedly recruited a super class for next year, so it's not like Buzz (or any other coach) is starting there with nothing.
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How about Buzz to nowhere?? Whether true or not - the reality is, that from Gottleib's perspective - leaving MU for Arkansas would be an upgrade. Unfortunately, this seems to be the perception many have with regard to the MU job - that it is a good job, but not a great job. It is for that reason why I've always been so harsh on those who are critical of Buzz - and seem to think MU could land an established, accomplished, high major type of coach.
Illinois - not a chance Buzz would go there...its either Texas (Texas school) or MU - unless of course Buzz gets annoyed with some of the idiotic fans at MU. As we all know, Buzz and staff read these boards...
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Maybe they did, but I do not remember MU extending Buzz's contract. You also have Father Wild leaving. Buzz said he would stay as long as MU wanted him, but if they are not extending his contract what does that say about MU wanting him?
Wasn't Buzz's contract around 6 years or so? If so, is it really appropriate to extend a contract after only 1/3 of it has been fulfilled?
I could see you making your point at this time next year, but we're still early into Buzz's tenure, not to mention this is the first year Buzz has had outside of TC's shadow (i.e. all his own recruits).
I'm sure extension has been pondered/discussed, but my guess is that Buzz still has a little work to do.
Don't forget, Buzz would have to be a whole different person if we were to become a state actor. Tax payers cannot pay for a coach to spread God's Word at a public school. MU fits Buzz like a glove in that respect.
Actually, I believe that in Arkansas preaching God's Word is a requirement, even at public schools... so long as you do so underneath a big tent, cry half the time, and pass 5-gallon "collection plates" every half hour.
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If Buzz goes elsewhere because of what us morons write on MUScoop, then I probably don't want him here anyway. I think he's a little tougher than that...
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Since you mentioned Bruce Weber... what about Buzz to Illinois? A lot of people in Champaign aren't real happy with Bruce right now. He supposedly recruited a super class for next year, so it's not like Buzz (or any other coach) is starting there with nothing.
Why would they want Buzz and why would Buzz want them? Illinois just needs to get all the recruits in Middle/Southern IL and pull kids out of Chicago every once in a while. You don't get the 5-star studs automatically thinking that they should go there. That program runs itself, and it has a ceiling without a Bill Self. I don't see the match.
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Buzz should be happy to have a passionate fanbase here. He wouldn't get blind support at any high major school.
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theIWB wrote: This rumor has been floating around for a while. When I first heard it a few weeks ago I dug in and found what I could. I can say, with certainty, that this is completely untrue.
Sounds like Buzz is/was closing in on a recruit and someone wanted some crap out there to derail the train.
Put to rest...for now
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Buzz should be happy to have a passionate fanbase here. He wouldn't get blind support at any high major school.
I'd say that from an administration perspective, under Father Wild, Crean and Buzz have had GREAT support. With regard to fan support - good from an attendance perspective - yet like anywhere, I guess - we certainly have our fair share of idiots. I was surprised to talk with 20 of my close MU friends at a reunion I put together centered around the Syracuse game - about 10-13 were luke warm on Buzz. It surprised me to say the least.
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Put to rest...for now
Make sure you link it next time. TheIWB will NOT be happy.
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So it started out of negative recruiting....like accusing a coach of cheating or something.
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If Buzz plans on leaving, it is largely due to the pressure by some MU fans for over achieving this season and last year. One must know that cold Milwaukee, is not a highly touted destination for coaches and prime time athletes. We are absolutely lucky to have a coach like Buzz. The only reason why top 100 recruits are coming to MU is because of BUZZ and his coaching staff!
I see your point and I like Buzz too. I know nothing about it, but I can't imagine Fayetteville, Arkansas is a paradise compared to Milwaukee. I would like to think a good program and quality coach would be why a player chooses a school, not just the climate. Ohio State does pretty well (currently #1) and their weather sucks as bad as ours. For the record, I hate OSU.
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Ohio State does pretty well (currently #1) and their weather sucks as bad as ours.
Not even close. I have no love at all for OSU, but it's not really even close.
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A few years ago there were a thread where we counted 7 schools that were SIGNIFICANTLY better jobs than MU. I stick to my conclusion that he stays until one of those schools have an opening and he has enough success to be picked as their guy.
This is a mostly lateral move and even if the program is a little bit better off... Do they have the kind of recruiting classes we have here? Religion, doesn't it seem pretty important to Buzz? Uprooting his family? Yeah it's closer to Texas, but does he have friends there?
why would he leave a school that's going on making the NCAA 7 straight times? When buzz leaves, it will be to a top-top school.
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why would he leave a school that's going on making the NCAA 7 straight times? When buzz leaves, it will be to a top-top school.
That would be 6, not 7 straight times.
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Maybe Kansas, but not ArKansas
Maybe Indiana but not Arkansas.
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If Buzz plans on leaving, it is largely due to the pressure by some MU fans for over achieving this season and last year. One must know that cold Milwaukee, is not a highly touted destination for coaches and prime time athletes. We are absolutely lucky to have a coach like Buzz. The only reason why top 100 recruits are coming to MU is because of BUZZ and his coaching staff!
Please stop with your insanity. If you think pressure at MU is high, you're kidding yourself compared to other places.
We had a ton of top 100 recruits come to MU before Buzz
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It would seem very uncharacteristic of Buzz to leave. As it stands today, I still 100% take him for his word.
Really? New Orleans fans might not agree with you
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I like Buzz Williams, and therefore, I think Gottlieb is jumping the gun a little bit.
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I dislike Buzz Williams, and therefore, I think he is leaking his name to various media members in an attempt to get a new job/raise.
That's how this is going to go down, right? If we "like" our coach, we will shrug this kind of stuff off. If we dislike him, tweets will be the smoking gun we are looking for to prove it.
Saw this earlier, and I think this is probably the most accurate depiction of this topic.
And for the record, I like Buzz and think Gottlieb is jumping the gun. ;)
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I think when coaches choose to leave, it is for another new challenge. It doesn't necessarily imply a negative to the current job, although it could. Buzz has demonstrated an ability to recruit nationally, so I don't imagine leve MU for Arkasas would be so he could be closer to his texas recruiting areas.
Coaches come and go, with only a handful staying at the same place for their entire career. Hopefully we will have Buzz for awhile longer, but I don't think he will leave because he isn't paid enough at MU, or the fans don't appreciate him. I think the Marquette job does have a lot of benefits. First, basketball is the only show, and you do not have to compete or play second fiddle to football. Second, they pay their coaches very well. I don't think anyone could say that Crean was underpaid at MU. While it is true that state schools have a competitive advantages at recruiting in-state kids, I do believe that a coach can overcome that in time by building a successful program. I do believe that Buzz has the program pointed in the right direction, and I can only hope that he sticks around long enough to take us to where we want to be.
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Really? New Orleans fans might not agree with you
New Orleans fans disagree with much of conventional wisdom... like that time-tested rule about not building something below sea level next to the sea.
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My friend texted Buzz. Buzz said he isn't going anywhere.
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My friend texted Buzz. Buzz said he isn't going anywhere.
I read on a message board that someone's friend texted Buzz and Buzz said he's not going anywhere.
Glad we resolved that, now this thread can end.
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Unless the guy is a bum texting students back saying im not going anywhere is a good sign for me.
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That would be 6, not 7 straight times.
I'm callign it now and saying we are on our way to 7.
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Really? New Orleans fans might not agree with you
New Orleans has fans?
Regardless, why would they still be upset about losing a coach who's not even among the 300 best in the country?
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Please stop with your insanity.
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5139/5437236415_60d43bf04c_m.jpg)
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My friend texted Buzz. Buzz said he isn't going anywhere.
Buzz has time today (on the eve of the biggest game of the season) to reply to such a trivial message?
Either your friend is full of BS, or Buzz has some very misplaced priorities.
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I like Buzz Williams, and therefore, I think Gottlieb is jumping the gun a little bit.
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I dislike Buzz Williams, and therefore, I think he is leaking his name to various media members in an attempt to get a new job/raise.
That's how this is going to go down, right? If we "like" our coach, we will shrug this kind of stuff off. If we dislike him, tweets will be the smoking gun we are looking for to prove it.
As an amendment to my previous post, now that MU has lost, I will dislike Buzz again, and now I will complain about the Arkansas thing.
Too bad they didn't win.
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New Orleans fans disagree with much of conventional wisdom... like that time-tested rule about not building something below sea level next to the sea.
Lol. Very true.
The idea that it's uncharacteristic for him to leave still remains. It's very much in his character so far. That will only change with time when he sticks at a place for a long period.
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Don't forget, Buzz would have to be a whole different person if we were to become a state actor. Tax payers cannot pay for a coach to spread God's Word at a public school. MU fits Buzz like a glove in that respect.
Arkansas makes less and less sense the more I think about it. These last three years have been tough without having two recruiting classes. Why would Buzz want to make a parallel move and build up a program again? He finally has his program developed, and why start back at the bottom. Crean was in the same spot where he had just built up a program and it was ready to just roll along. However, rightfully so, "it's Indiana." You just have to take that job. Arkansas is not even close in my opinion.
Buzz may leave some day, but why not wait for the absolute perfect job? There is no reason to bounce around all the time, especially if he is getting paid well.
Yeah, I was shocked that Crean was willing to leave that big man pipeline he had developed at MU, even for Indiana.
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The idea that it's uncharacteristic for him to leave still remains. It's very much in his character so far. That will only change with time when he sticks at a place for a long period.
Or, he's 0-1 at the line. Hard to tell if he's a good free throw shooter, but you certainly seem to like to insinuate that he might not be.
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Lol. Very true.
The idea that it's uncharacteristic for him to leave still remains. It's very much in his character so far. That will only change with time when he sticks at a place for a long period.
Come on, Chicos. I know that you know the circumstances under which Buzz left New Orleans. NO dropping out of Division I shows that he was right about the lack of institutional commitment there.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6201967
Well it looks like Pelphrey has more issues than just the fanbase. Not good for him.
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Maybe they are looking for a way to fire him for cause.
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Come on, Chicos. I know that you know the circumstances under which Buzz left New Orleans. NO dropping out of Division I shows that he was right about the lack of institutional commitment there.
That happened 2 years after he left, not while he was there. If the students voted for the fee increase, they would still be in DI.
The students voted down the fee increase (which, by the way, was widely expected to pass) May 1st, 2009.
Buzz left UNO July 6, 2007
Almost 2 years separated the two actions. Furthermore, it was only after the students voted it down that they even went down the road of thinking about not staying in DI.
This DI UNO myth is something that really ought to be killed because the dates simply don't match up with the departure.
Now, do I blame him for leaving and doing what he thinks is right for his family? I do not. My point was simply that if you were a UNO fan, you don't feel the way that was described by some here.
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Maybe they are looking for a way to fire him for cause.
Or maybe some fans, like those that took out the ad to get rid of Pelphrey, are using this to help push their case.
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That happened 2 years after he left, not while he was there. If the students voted for the fee increase, they would still be in DI.
The students voted down the fee increase (which, by the way, was widely expected to pass) May 1st, 2009.
Buzz left UNO July 6, 2007
Almost 2 years separated the two actions. Furthermore, it was only after the students voted it down that they even went down the road of thinking about not staying in DI.
This DI UNO myth is something that really ought to be killed because the dates simply don't match up with the departure.
Now, do I blame him for leaving and doing what he thinks is right for his family? I do not. My point was simply that if you were a UNO fan, you don't feel the way that was described by some here.
I can't buy your argument Chicos. Less than two years after Buzz found a lack of institutional support, they drop out of Division I because they can't get more financial support from the students and you can't see a correlation?
How many years do you think Marquette is away from seriously considering a drop from Division I, if the university can't get an increase in student fees?
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Nitpick here. MU doesn't need the students to self-impose student fees. UWM would be a better analogy.
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I can't buy your argument Chicos. Less than two years after Buzz found a lack of institutional support, they drop out of Division I because they can't get more financial support from the students and you can't see a correlation?
How many years do you think Marquette is away from seriously considering a drop from Division I, if the university can't get an increase in student fees?
Actually, that is not correct either. Less than 2 years after he left is when the students voted on increasing fees to support the financially strapped department. The first inkling of moving out of Division I came in the Fall of 2009 with the decision in 2010. They didn't drop out of DI until July of 2010...3 years later.
Your timing is way off. July 2007 they were not going DIII. They had a lot of issues, but they were not going DIII...that decision came AFTER the vote in May of 2009....months after that vote.
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Nitpick here. MU doesn't need the students to self-impose student fees. UWM would be a better analogy.
Correct. And, to carry the analogy further, if that were to happen at UW-milwaukee, they would seek other avenues before going to D3, just as UNO did. George Shinn was the avenue UNO went down. The former owner of the New Orleans Hornets was considered their bailout daddy, but that fell through months after the student vote. When Shinn's lifeline didn't come through, that is when the DIII situation became reality...years after the departure.
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I love that Buzz is our coach, i hope he stays a long time, and i believe he likes it at Marquette, but i never truly believe coaches when they say that they are thrilled with their current job and only will leave if fired.
Way to much history through all of sports to believe it.
That said, i don't generally blame coaches for leaving jobs for a variety of different reasons given how often they are quickly ripped to shreds by fans for not winning and/or also getting fired after short time frames on the job.
Big money sports are a cutthroat business and any sense of real loyalty from either side doesn't exist much.
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Actually, that is not correct either. Less than 2 years after he left is when the students voted on increasing fees to support the financially strapped department. The first inkling of moving out of Division I came in the Fall of 2009 with the decision in 2010. They didn't drop out of DI until July of 2010...3 years later.
Your timing is way off. July 2007 they were not going DIII. They had a lot of issues, but they were not going DIII...that decision came AFTER the vote in May of 2009....months after that vote.
I don't see what you are trying to argue. So it wasn't that they were planning on going D3 or that was even an option but these things don't just happen overnight. That doesn't change the underlying problems, it just meant that it didn't surface until later. He left in 2007...agreed. He said he left because UNO weren't meeting their agreed upon institutional support. That is most likely a term for they weren't willing to spend the money to let me hire people or recruit (as agreed upon). Most likely because they didn't have the money to do it. Fast forward 2 years and they try to get the dollars from the students who say that they aren't interested. So now trapped with no alternative the school goes D3. All these are symptoms of a much larger problem which Buzz called out in 2007.
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My point was simply that if you were a UNO fan, you don't feel the way that was described by some here.
Ah yes, like this UNO fan...
ljburton July 10, 2007 at 11:38PM
I don't think many of you know Buzz Williams very well. I have never met a more hard working, honest and driven individual than Buzz. He has never shied away from working hard. He didn't resign, because he wasn't up to the task. Buzz outworks everybody. That's how he got to where he is today. He sucks every inch out of every day. He is the hardest working guy I have every met. If anybody could handle the rigors of UNO basketball post-K New Orleans, it is Buzz Williams.
And, he is certainly anything but an opportunist. He would never bail out for greener pastures. I don't pretend to know the whole story, but what I gather from all of this is that Buzz did not believe that the university was as committed to their basketball program as he was. With Buzz it is all or nothing. There is no middle ground and no margin for error. You are either in, or your out. Buzz did not believe that the university was fully supporting the program or the kids. Period, end of sentence. Once he became convinced that the university was not 100% committed to the success of the basketball program, he became convinced that he had to leave.
UNO Basketball made a huge step forward this past year. The GPA is the highest in the history of the program. The recruiting class was Top 50 Nationally, and 4 starters return. Coach Pasternack is inheriting a hell of a lot more than Buzz did. When Buzz took the job, the cupboard wasn't just bare, it was empty. The entire team was academically ineligible and the staff was recruiting kids that no one else wanted. In six weeks, he and Coach Monarch scratched together enough talent to be respectable. If he didn't want to do the work, he never would have taken the job. You should be thanking Buzz. What a difference a year makes. This year's team will compete for the conference title, provided Coach Pasternack is able to keep everybody together.
As always chicos, there are two views. You've chosen to believe that Buzz had no idea UNO "was not 100% committed to the success of the basketball program". Some UNO fans saw the same thing others here describe.
Anyhow, I don't think he's interested in Arky...
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I don't see what you are trying to argue. So it wasn't that they were planning on going D3 or that was even an option but these things don't just happen overnight. That doesn't change the underlying problems, it just meant that it didn't surface until later. He left in 2007...agreed. He said he left because UNO weren't meeting their agreed upon institutional support. That is most likely a term for they weren't willing to spend the money to let me hire people or recruit (as agreed upon). Most likely because they didn't have the money to do it. Fast forward 2 years and they try to get the dollars from the students who say that they aren't interested. So now trapped with no alternative the school goes D3. All these are symptoms of a much larger problem which Buzz called out in 2007.
Do the exact details really matter much as to why Buzz left a small time program like NO?
I just don't see what happened there having any impact as to whether Buzz will stay at Marquette over a reasonably long length of time assuming that he wins enough to avoid getting canned. That situation and the one he has at Marquette aren't even close on multiple levels.
If Buzz continues to keep getting Marquette into the NCAA Tournament every year or nearly every year and especially if he gets some wins while in the big dance, it's a near lock that other schools will try to lure him away, particularly schools in the south where he has roots.
That's just going to be the facts of life for a quality job like Marquette is, but not an elite one. Other schools will purse our coaches that consistently win.
Then it's just up to that coach to decide for financial, basketball, and family reasons as to whether they'd prefer to stay at Marquette. I don't believe these are easy decisions for most coaches and likely won't be easy for Buzz if different schools do end up trying to lure him away.
My gut feeling is that he'll stay here for awhile, but given how often coaches leave one job for another, i certainly wouldn't place a lot of money on Buzz staying.
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Now, do I blame him for leaving and doing what he thinks is right for his family? I do not. My point was simply that if you were a UNO fan, you don't feel the way that was described by some here.
I'm an MU fan, and I don't blame TC for leaving. Actually I thought it was a smart move for him as I saw his success declining at MU, it was simply the way he left that was so pathetic.
Anyhow, has anyone ever seen quotes from Buzz about being a "lifer" at UNO? I thought I had read he had a "list of demands" for the program that they refused to meet, so he took off.