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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Big Daddy 84 on August 17, 2015, 12:18:21 PM
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Here are my thoughts from watching the 3 days in Italy. Unfortunately I will not be at the game in Switzerland. My standard caveat comes with these comments, that is the reminder that I thought JFB was a wasted scholarship when I saw him first play:
1) Duane Wilson is ready for a breakout season and more importantly has already stepped up as the vocal leader of the team. Despite him playing point on this trip the plan is to use him exclusive as a wing.
2) JJJ has really responded to coaching and has made a significant change in his shot. His turnovers are still an issue, but he has bought in to concept of use his athletic ability to become a much better defender. Also he is much more committed to attacking the hoop.
3) Sandy Cohen- biggest improvement in body over the off season. He is the designated 3-pt shooter and has the green light. His confidence has grown on this trip.
4) Luke Fischer- It is clear his shoulder is 100% and he will have a great year.
5) Traci Carter- Love this kid, tough and determined. Best comparison I can come up with is Mandy Johnson. His turnovers are way to high right now, but fortunately for him he has a few coaches to help him that know what they are doing. He has some of the quickest hands and feet I have seen.
6) Wally Ellenson- Uber jumper, we all know that. Shot looks good, but not a lot of success. He will be a good role player and will make 1-2 highlight plays each game. His favorite play, including in practice, is trailing the ball on a fast break and blocking form behind. A much better off the ball defender that on the ball defender.
7) Malt Heldt: He is a great kid, and needs to let Todd Smith to work on him for a year. You can tell that he still has not grown accustomed to his body yet. Will be a 4 year player and has the ability to get better with proper training and coaching. A redshirt this year for him would have been nice if they had the option. He may not be a great athlete but he has skills. 4-6 min a game this year. But by Jr-Sr years he could be a very reliable player.
8) Sacar Amin- He may be the best athlete on the team. You can tell that he did not have a distinctive role in HS, he is good at a lot of things, but not great (yet) on any one thing, but I still think he is the sleeper on this team. High BB IQ and he will do anything he is asked, he will be a valuable sub this year, but once his roll is established and he can work on that I expect a big jump between year 1 and year 2. I know he is smaller the OD, but best comparison I came up with was Odarety Blankson.
9) Haanif Cheatam: A real bummer that he cannot play, but there are no concerns that he will not be cleared. NCAA is still working on Football and other fall sports. Nice kid.
Well I think that is everyone that has made any significant contribution it was great to see MM son get in the last game. I am sure he was smiling. Couple other quick updates:
1) Stan Johnson a great add, not just for recruiting, but a good coach too.
2) Recruiting. Still feel good about second schollie for next year. Have their priority and continue to work it.
3) Bailley will be a Warrior-my prediction, no commitment yet, but I know we are in his final cut.
I feel like I missed someone…well can’t be anything to big?
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Great synopsis. Thanks as always for the lowdown BD.
Yeah...who's missing from this summary though...?
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I think you missed one of the freshman newcomers. We have so many though, I can see how he got lost in the shuffle.
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Here are my thoughts from watching the 3 days in Italy. Unfortunately I will not be at the game in Switzerland. My standard caveat comes with these comments, that is the reminder that I thought JFB was a wasted scholarship when I saw him first play:
1) Duane Wilson is ready for a breakout season and more importantly has already stepped up as the vocal leader of the team. Despite him playing point on this trip the plan is to use him exclusive as a wing.
2) JJJ has really responded to coaching and has made a significant change in his shot. His turnovers are still an issue, but he has bought in to concept of use his athletic ability to become a much better defender. Also he is much more committed to attacking the hoop.
3) Sandy Cohen- biggest improvement in body over the off season. He is the designated 3-pt shooter and has the green light. His confidence has grown on this trip.
4) Luke Fischer- It is clear his shoulder is 100% and he will have a great year.
5) Traci Carter- Love this kid, tough and determined. Best comparison I can come up with is Mandy Johnson. His turnovers are way to high right now, but fortunately for him he has a few coaches to help him that know what they are doing. He has some of the quickest hands and feet I have seen.
6) Wally Ellenson- Uber jumper, we all know that. Shot looks good, but not a lot of success. He will be a good role player and will make 1-2 highlight plays each game. His favorite play, including in practice, is trailing the ball on a fast break and blocking form behind. A much better off the ball defender that on the ball defender.
7) Malt Heldt: He is a great kid, and needs to let Todd Smith to work on him for a year. You can tell that he still has not grown accustomed to his body yet. Will be a 4 year player and has the ability to get better with proper training and coaching. A redshirt this year for him would have been nice if they had the option. He may not be a great athlete but he has skills. 4-6 min a game this year. But by Jr-Sr years he could be a very reliable player.
8) Sacar Amin- He may be the best athlete on the team. You can tell that he did not have a distinctive role in HS, he is good at a lot of things, but not great (yet) on any one thing, but I still think he is the sleeper on this team. High BB IQ and he will do anything he is asked, he will be a valuable sub this year, but once his roll is established and he can work on that I expect a big jump between year 1 and year 2. I know he is smaller the OD, but best comparison I came up with was Odarety Blankson.
9) Haanif Cheatam: A real bummer that he cannot play, but there are no concerns that he will not be cleared. NCAA is still working on Football and other fall sports. Nice kid.
Well I think that is everyone that has made any significant contribution it was great to see MM son get in the last game. I am sure he was smiling. Couple other quick updates:
1) Stan Johnson a great add, not just for recruiting, but a good coach too.
2) Recruiting. Still feel good about second schollie for next year. Have their priority and continue to work it.
3) Bailley will be a Warrior-my prediction, no commitment yet, but I know we are in his final cut.
I feel like I missed someone…well can’t be anything to big?
Does the second scholly priority involve a morning drink that isn't tea?
Great to hear about Bailey as well. Seems like the perfect combo of high character kid with great ability.
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Much appreciated BD! Two questions: Is Wojo a closer? Will he get his Coffey?
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Big Daddy
You know I appreciate your insights but I speak for every Scooper in saying your scouting report is incomplete and therefore wanting. The glaring omission is your assessment of Thomas. Tell us something about the 'Man behind the mike' and your prediction of his role with Marquette basketball going forward.
I will hang up and listen to your answer.
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Big Daddy
You know I appreciate your insights but I speak for every Scooper in saying your scouting report is incomplete and therefore wanting. The glaring omission is your assessment of Thomas. Tell us something about the 'Man behind the mike' and your prediction of his role with Marquette basketball going forward.
I will hang up and listen to your answer.
Awesome.
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Careful on that Bailey prediction Heisenberg still hasn't gotten over the Lee/Miller one.
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Big Daddy
You know I appreciate your insights but I speak for every Scooper in saying your scouting report is incomplete and therefore wanting. The glaring omission is your assessment of Thomas. Tell us something about the 'Man behind the mike' and your prediction of his role with Marquette basketball going forward.
I will hang up and listen to your answer.
The man is funny and can put them down with the best of us. But I think Homer is safe for now. MB admits he is not quitting his day job.
Question back..have the streams been watched by many?
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The man is funny and can put them down with the best of us. But I think Homer is safe for now. MB admits he is not quitting his day job.
Question back..have the streams been watched by many?
The live feed said around 1,200 were watching on Saturday. I watched the archive last night, so I didn't say the viewership.
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The man is funny and can put them down with the best of us. But I think Homer is safe for now. MB admits he is not quitting his day job.
Question back..have the streams been watched by many?
For the first game against Haukar, I believe they said 2,000 watched live and 8,000 watched the archived version and that was just one day after the game. I imagine the other games had similar numbers?
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The man is funny and can put them down with the best of us. But I think Homer is safe for now. MB admits he is not quitting his day job.
Question back..have the streams been watched by many?
Not sure what the FS GO audience may have been, but YouTube views (live + archived) show as:
Haukar 12,581
LSU-Atletas 6,462
Vicenza 3,928
Surprisingly good production given the format. Only a few fairly minor hiccups, biggest being an interruption of the LSU stream due to weather. Scoop opinion has been very positive of MU Athletics and Basketball Travelers for providing it to us, but Thomas has been the biggest highlight; hoping to get him to Milwaukee for a game or two next year.
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Not sure what the FS GO audience may have been, but YouTube views (live + archived) show as:
Haukar 12,581
LSU-Atletas 6,462
Vicenza 3,928
Surprisingly good production given the format. Only a few fairly minor hiccups, biggest being an interruption of the LSU stream due to weather. Scoop opinion has been very positive of MU Athletics and Basketball Travelers for providing it to us, but Thomas has been the biggest highlight; hoping to get him to Milwaukee for a game or two next year.
The only thing they seem to be missing in the live broadcast is the ability to show replays immediately afterwards. I do not recall seeing any.
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Not sure what the FS GO audience may have been, but YouTube views (live + archived) show as:
Haukar 12,581
LSU-Atletas 6,462
Vicenza 3,928
Surprisingly good production given the format. Only a few fairly minor hiccups, biggest being an interruption of the LSU stream due to weather. Scoop opinion has been very positive of MU Athletics and Basketball Travelers for providing it to us, but Thomas has been the biggest highlight; hoping to get him to Milwaukee for a game or two next year.
As to the declining viewership -- I suspect that like others, I was able to sneak-watch the one during the week at work and then was enjoying the summer on the weekend and couldn't get to those streams.
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Careful on that Bailey prediction Heisenberg still hasn't gottenhas concerns about WOJO over the Lee/Miller one.
FIFY - also, hilarious tie back by you
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So, who's mindin' the store, Jon, hey?
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I know we all have watched and seen what HE has done, but I'll be direct about it.
Big Daddy, what's your assessment of how HE has done on the Italy trip?
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The man is funny and can put them down with the best of us. But I think Homer is safe for now. MB admits he is not quitting his day job.
Question back..have the streams been watched by many?
Thanks for the summary, Big a Daddy. Great stuff.
I was on vacation in Maui and watched the games from there. Was awesome to be able to.
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So, who's mindin' the store, Jon, hey?
If you're talking about who BigDaddy is, I think you've got the wrong guy.
Just one man's opinion, doe.
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If you're talking about who BigDaddy is, I think you've got the wrong guy.
Just one man's opinion, doe.
Opinions are like buttholes... sniff around long enough and eventually you can tell who's who.
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Opinions are like buttholes... sniff around long enough and eventually you can tell who's who.
I thought it was everyone has one and they all stink...
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Opinions are like buttholes... sniff around long enough and eventually you can tell who's who.
If you're a dog...are you a dog Benny, please tell me you're a dog. Speak boy, come on boy speak. That's a good boy.
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Thanks for the summary, Big a Daddy. Great stuff.
I was on vacation in Maui and watched the games from there. Was awesome to be able to.
I see what you did there...Big a Daddy, that's Italian for Big Daddy.
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As to the declining viewership -- I suspect that like others, I was able to sneak-watch the one during the week at work and then was enjoying the summer on the weekend and couldn't get to those streams.
The margins of victory can't be helping the total number of views, either.
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Good stuff, Big Daddy. Only thing I question is D Wilson not playing PG.
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Good stuff, Big Daddy. Only thing I question is D Wilson not playing PG.
Depends on your point of view....from a Marquette perspective, he absolutely should be a 2 and not a 1. From Duane's perspective and an NBA future, he should probably be playing the 1.
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I believe DWilson to score from PG is essential in today's game. My money is still on him playing PG much of the year.
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I believe DWilson to score from PG is essential in today's game. My money is still on him playing PG much of the year.
I don't know...I think Duane will get some time at the point, but I doubt much. Traci seems locked in to start and likely play 20+ mpg. I have to imagine Cheatham will get 15-20 mpg as well once he is eligible. Will Duane get some PG time? Sure, but how much, maybe 5-10 mpg at most?
I get wanting a scoring PG, but Traci has shown he can score a bit. Right now he looks more advanced scoring the ball than anyone we've had at the point since Dwight Buycks. The thing is, we don't have a lot of guys that can fill it up like Duane can. I'd rather have him working for position and shots in a hybrid of how he and Carlino played last year. I acknowledge what mu03eng said about Duane's career being better off if he can play the point, but for this team, we're better off with him at the 2.
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I see what you did there...Big a Daddy, that's Italian for Big Daddy.
This has got to be Mike Deane's Glasses...
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How is Michael Mache meshing with all the new teammates? We could really use his senior leadership.
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How is Michael Mache meshing with all the new teammates? We could really use his senior leadership.
Huh? Hes a walk on that joined in the middle of last year when Dawson and Burton transferred. In regards to leadership, this is Duanes team. This is already his 3rd year in the program. Kid is a stud and seems like much more of a leader already than Derrick, Juan and Jamil were.
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In regards to leadership, this is Duanes team.
fact
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Huh? Hes a walk on that joined in the middle of last year when Dawson and Burton transferred. In regards to leadership, this is Duanes team. This is already his 3rd year in the program. Kid is a stud and seems like much more of a leader already than Derrick, Juan and Jamil were.
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Yea, knew it as soon as I hit post but on this site you never know anymore.
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Depends on your point of view....from a Marquette perspective, he absolutely should be a 2 and not a 1. From Duane's perspective and an NBA future, he should probably be playing the 1.
Duane starts at #2 for the next 3 years at MU. His conversion to #1 will begin in the NBADL tracking the DJO route. Wojo's back court is set for 3 years, barring injury.
Hmmm. I wonder if Coffey is watching YouTube? Coincidence about the new Gopher predictions? Just thinking out loud. That said, most top players think they can beat other kids out for the spot.
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Hmmm. I wonder if Coffey is watching YouTube? Coincidence about the new Gopher predictions? Just thinking out loud. That said, most top players think they can beat other kids out for the spot.
You make a good point. That's the thing that is maybe a it concerning, unless you're a 5*, you've got to be maybe seeing that MU is set in 3 of the 5 sports for maybe the next 3 years.
I get that big schools constantly get big recruits, but for a 4* who is looking to start a D1 level, seeing this freshman group has got to lead to some "I would maybe get minutes off the bench" type thinking.
Not a bad problem to have though as I think the engine and the other fresh look pretty solid so far!
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Duane starts at #2 for the next 3 years at MU. His conversion to #1 will begin in the NBADL tracking the DJO route. Wojo's back court is set for 3 years, barring injury.
Hmmm. I wonder if Coffey is watching YouTube? Coincidence about the new Gopher predictions? Just thinking out loud. That said, most top players think they can beat other kids out for the spot.
Marquette has played three glorified scrimmages in nearly the most casual atmosphere and the net result is a backcourt found for the next 85-100 games in addition to one of our top recruiting targets now suddenly looking elsewhere because of these events in Italy.
The circle jerk regarding this foreign tour the last week has been popcorn popping hysterical.
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Marquette has played three glorified scrimmages in nearly the most casual atmosphere and the net result is a backcourt found for the next 85-100 games in addition to one of our top recruiting targets now suddenly looking elsewhere because of these events in Italy.
The circle jerk regarding this foreign tour the last week has been popcorn popping hysterical.
Say what you want, but I've been saying it for a long time now. We're back, baby.
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I believe DWilson to score from PG is essential in today's game. My money is still on him playing PG much of the year.
Even though this goes against everything that happened last year, everything that Wojo's said since the end of last season, and what was happening in the practices leading up to the European trip?
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Marquette has played three glorified scrimmages in nearly the most casual atmosphere and the net result is a backcourt found for the next 85-100 games in addition to one of our top recruiting targets now suddenly looking elsewhere because of these events in Italy.
The circle jerk regarding this foreign tour the last week has been popcorn popping hysterical.
Whatever dude... I already set aside money for this years Final Four tickets!
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Huh? Hes a walk on that joined in the middle of last year when Dawson and Burton transferred. In regards to leadership, this is Duanes team. This is already his 3rd year in the program. Kid is a stud and seems like much more of a leader already than Derrick, Juan and Jamil were.
Then what is his point on the team then?
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Marquette has played three glorified scrimmages in nearly the most casual atmosphere and the net result is a backcourt found for the next 85-100 games in addition to one of our top recruiting targets now suddenly looking elsewhere because of these events in Italy.
The circle jerk regarding this foreign tour the last week has been popcorn popping hysterical.
Yes.....and no. MU is playing competition a notch slightly above what they would have seen at IWB's tourney. Agreed. Unless somebody gets hurt, these mean nothing. But it is summer and it is a MU message board, so it might as well be discussed. But there are things of note. MU hasn't gone over and sucked. THAT would have been a catastrophe. 10 summer practices and travel and games and the team is showing enough that MU nation can choose to be optimistic. It means nothing. But it could have been a helluva lot worse.
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Then what is his point on the team then?
I'm totally torn right now. Either Rainier Wolfcastle is a liar and you were not joking in your original post, you can't find teal in the color selection, or you are an idiot.
Help me see the light because i don't think i can live in a world where Rainier lies.
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MU is playing competition a notch slightly above what they would have seen at IWB's tourney.
I have to disagree with this. The Pro Am is playground ball. Nothing more.
Marquette is playing pro teams in Europe. Their next opponent signed at least three former Marquette guys over the recent past. To compare organized professional European teams with the frenetic mayhem of the Pro Am is grossly understating the skill and talent we have faced on this tour. (Vicenza Select is the outlier as it was formed just for the summer American college circuit.)
I am hoping Wojo pulls a Duke, which banned its players from playing in the NC Pro Am. Wojo runs a very structured program. Players learn nothing in an open gym while running the risk of injury. There is only downside with the Pro Am.
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There are actually better players at the ProAm, it is just unstructured. Comparing the value of ProAm to trip to Italy is apples and oranges. Value of ProAm is that it is better than open gym--especially for bigs. For example, Alec Brown played a few years back. There was no one in Green Bay that could provide him any competition. ProAm had guys more near his size, like Mitchell Carter and Drew Windler. It would be good for Carter, Rousey and Duane Wilson to play against Jerry Smith rather than each other. There is value to ProAm, just not as much as the trip to Italy. They would otherwise be playing street ball at The Al.
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There are actually better players at the ProAm, it is just unstructured. Comparing the value of ProAm to trip to Italy is apples and oranges. Value of ProAm is that it is better than open gym--especially for bigs. For example, Alec Brown played a few years back. There was no one in Green Bay that could provide him any competition. ProAm had guys more near his size, like Mitchell Carter and Drew Windler. It would be good for Carter, Rousey and Duane Wilson to play against Jerry Smith rather than each other. There is value to ProAm, just not as much as the trip to Italy. They would otherwise be playing street ball at The Al.
You clearly have not been to the Pro Am.
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I have been there. I have seen Rob Jeter and Buzz Williams there too. I have talked to Brian Wardle about it. It is foolish to think there is no value to ProAm in a period when coaches cannot conduct practices. At least three state D1 coaches think it is a good idea.
You clearly have not been to the Pro Am.
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I have been there. I have seen Rob Jeter and Buzz Williams there too. I have talked to Brian Wardle about it. It is foolish to think there is no value to ProAm in a period when coaches cannot conduct practices. At least three state D1 coaches think it is a good idea.
Based on your description I would've guessed you were never close to it. If you think they're playing more competitive games at the Pro Am, where teams routinely scored 120+ points with a running clock, than they would playing pickup at the Al then I think you are mistaken. Put these guys in an uncontrolled gym with a crowd and they all understand it's all about making a highlight real. Put them in a 1 court gym with no crowd, winner holds the court, and you get only Marquette players and basketball alum, and I guarantee you the pickup at the Al is 100x more competitive and useful than the Milwaukee Pro Am was. Pride at the pro am equals a sweet dunk that your opponent let you get. Pride at the Al equals not getting beat by equal Or better competition.
Not to mention, at the Pro Am you have 1 Alec Brown and 4 Rob Frozenas (no offense to him, just making s point). At the Al you have the MU team with guys like DJO, Junior, Buycks, Jerel, Acker, Novak, Jae, Butler, Rob Jackson, etc.
It's not even close which is better, despite neither being ideal.
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To me, the main value of a trip like this one to Italy is the team-building.
The basketball is almost a bonus.
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Based on your description I would've guessed you were never close to it. If you think they're playing more competitive games at the Pro Am, where teams routinely scored 120+ points with a running clock, than they would playing pickup at the Al then I think you are mistaken. Put these guys in an uncontrolled gym with a crowd and they all understand it's all about making a highlight real. Put them in a 1 court gym with no crowd, winner holds the court, and you get only Marquette players and basketball alum, and I guarantee you the pickup at the Al is 100x more competitive and useful than the Milwaukee Pro Am was. Pride at the pro am equals a sweet dunk that your opponent let you get. Pride at the Al equals not getting beat by equal Or better competition.
Not to mention, at the Pro Am you have 1 Alec Brown and 4 Rob Frozenas (no offense to him, just making s point). At the Al you have the MU team with guys like DJO, Junior, Buycks, Jerel, Acker, Novak, Jae, Butler, Rob Jackson, etc.
It's not even close which is better, despite neither being ideal.
Do you realize who you're replyin' to, hey?
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Do you realize who you're replyin' to, hey?
Mike Deane's Dark Glasses?
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I have been there. I have seen Rob Jeter and Buzz Williams there too. I have talked to Brian Wardle about it. It is foolish to think there is no value to ProAm in a period when coaches cannot conduct practices. At least three state D1 coaches think it is a good idea.
D-I coaches are not allowed to attend certified summer leagues. Doing so is a clear secondary violation that must be reported to the NCAA.
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http://www.ncaa.org/enforcement/basketball-certification/league-operators
This seems to indicate college coaches can attend as long as there isn't prospective recruits, so they can watch their own players.
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Marquette has played three glorified scrimmages in nearly the most casual atmosphere and the net result is a backcourt found for the next 85-100 games in addition to one of our top recruiting targets now suddenly looking elsewhere because of these events in Italy.
The circle jerk regarding this foreign tour the last week has been popcorn popping hysterical.
And during those scrimmages Duane has played plenty of #1 because Haanif isn't available. But if you think for a second that Wojo isn't spending every minute possible preparing for the future you are naive. He doesn't waste time and this isn't a vacation. And it's clear to me even at this early stage that the starting guard line will be Carter/Wilson, just like it was postulated way back in March when word went out that Traci would be given 'every opportunity'. Well, he's passed the first 30 day test with flying colors. Will Carter struggle at times? Sure. But every rep he gets will make him better. So Wojo will be maximizing his reps between now and January 1. The kid is going to play until his tongue drags on the floor during non-con. And he'll understand and appreciate every trip down the floor.
As to the Coffey connection I admitted that was just a thought and might mean absolutely nothing. Heck, Coffey might commit to us next week for all I know. But don't think for a moment kids don't consider the current roster when making a decision.
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I have to disagree with this. The Pro Am is playground ball. Nothing more.
Marquette is playing pro teams in Europe. Their next opponent signed at least three former Marquette guys over the recent past. To compare organized professional European teams with the frenetic mayhem of the Pro Am is grossly understating the skill and talent we have faced on this tour. (Vicenza Select is the outlier as it was formed just for the summer American college circuit.)
I am hoping Wojo pulls a Duke, which banned its players from playing in the NC Pro Am. Wojo runs a very structured program. Players learn nothing in an open gym while running the risk of injury. There is only downside with the Pro Am.
I'm not going to go quite as far as keefe on this but the Pro-Am is glorified playground ball compared to the preparation and execution demanded by Wojo on this trip. I'm not too sure our guys got much out of Pro-Am historically. But this trip is more like early season non-con. And yes, if you're asking, I've been at the Sunday Pro-Am finals several years in a row. It's fun but not much more.
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I'm not going to go quite as far as keefe on this but the Pro-Am is glorified playground ball compared to the preparation and execution demanded by Wojo on this trip. I'm not too sure our guys got much out of Pro-Am historically. But this trip is more like early season non-con. And yes, if you're asking, I've been at the Sunday Pro-Am finals several years in a row. It's fun but not much more.
Exactly. In fact, it's quite simple, really...
(from the players' perspective)
Pro-Am = Fun
Italy = Work
A good coach of a good program, i.e. one that needs not pander to its players, doesn't need to allow his players play in a Pro-Am
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I believe DWilson to score from PG is essential in today's game. My money is still on him playing PG much of the year.
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OK, lots of season left.
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Legit games against established teams, with our team playing together and traveling together for 10 days. Not even comparable to the Pro Am. Players don't even show up to the Pro Am if they get distracted or can't get a ride. The coach can just encourage the players to have an NBA2K game night or bring them a puppy if he doesn't want to flat-out ban them from attending. And when's the last time we pulled in Thomas to announce the Pro Am?
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http://www.ncaa.org/enforcement/basketball-certification/league-operators
This seems to indicate college coaches can attend as long as there isn't prospective recruits, so they can watch their own players.
False. There is a difference between a certified league and a certified EVENT.
"In order for Division I coaches to attend, you would also have to be granted event certified and then they could only attend on permissible dates in July. There are significant differences in the requirements for event certification and it is a much more time-consuming process."
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Anim reminds me of sophomore year Jimmy Butler.
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Abin reminds me of sophomore year Jimmy Butler.
You love yourself some Anim. Wasn't too hot on him at first but I admit I've started coming around and seeing the potential. Still think JJJ gets the 6th man role but should be interesting with Cheatham and Sacar in the mix.
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You love yourself some Anim. Wasn't too hot on him at first but I admit I've started coming around and seeing the potential. Still think JJJ gets the 6th man role but should be interesting with Cheatham and Sacar in the mix.
Butler's sophomore year he was just the guy who would get 8 and 8 and you wouldn't notice him at all. All his points came on the offensive glass. Just being in the right place at the right time and doing all the little dirty work.
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False. There is a difference between a certified league and a certified EVENT.
"In order for Division I coaches to attend, you would also have to be granted event certified and then they could only attend on permissible dates in July. There are significant differences in the requirements for event certification and it is a much more time-consuming process."
Yes, but it also says D1 coaches can attend and watch their own players if prospective high school and junior college prospects aren't playing and to my knowledge, none have played in Jim Ganzer's Pro-Am and that's probably why, like others, I'm seen Buzz and other state D1 coaches attend in past years. I guess it all depends how it was certified.
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Yes.....and no. MU is playing competition a notch slightly above what they would have seen at IWB's tourney. Agreed. Unless somebody gets hurt, these mean nothing. But it is summer and it is a MU message board, so it might as well be discussed. But there are things of note. MU hasn't gone over and sucked. THAT would have been a catastrophe. 10 summer practices and travel and games and the team is showing enough that MU nation can choose to be optimistic. It means nothing. But it could have been a helluva lot worse.
This team is a far cry from the disaster we saw last year at "midnight madness". I think most of us are entitled to some cautious optimism.
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Yes, but it also says D1 coaches can attend and watch their own players if prospective high school and junior college prospects aren't playing and to my knowledge, none have played in Jim Ganzer's Pro-Am and that's probably why, like others, I'm seen Buzz and other state D1 coaches attend in past years. I guess it all depends how it was certified.
Ganzer spends a ton of time on sanctioning. He has jumped through the NCAA hoops every year and in that regard knows the ins and outs very, very well. I have talked to Buzz and other MU assistants at Pro Ams before. So unless they didn't know about or didn't care about the violations, it's something a lot of people (other coaches as well, as mentioned) were doing. My guess is the MPA was sanctioned properly to allow coaches to be there.
As far as the benefit of the MPA, I do think this trip is likely better for the team, but anyone that thinks the Pro Am is valueless isn't paying attention. I watched Chris Otule develop his left pivot move in the post during the MPA and use it the subsequent season. Davante and Junior used the Pro Am to develop a solid passing repertoire so Junior knew how to find the freshman center in the post. Sure, there's plenty of crazy (Dwight Buycks routine stat insanity, Davante's coast-to-coast, Jamail Jones looking like he was going to be really good) but that doesn't mean there isn't worthwhile basketball going on out there. Marquette has benefited from the MPA in the past. I'm not sure the staff will choose that route in the future.
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As far as the benefit of the MPA, I do think this trip is likely better for the team, but anyone that thinks the Pro Am is valueless isn't paying attention. I watched Chris Otule develop his left pivot move in the post during the MPA and use it the subsequent season. Davante and Junior used the Pro Am to develop a solid passing repertoire so Junior knew how to find the freshman center in the post. Sure, there's plenty of crazy (Dwight Buycks routine stat insanity, Davante's coast-to-coast, Jamail Jones looking like he was going to be really good) but that doesn't mean there isn't worthwhile basketball going on out there. Marquette has benefited from the MPA in the past. I'm not sure the staff will choose that route in the future.
Oh please... Maybe you should demand that Wojo see the value...Hell, I can't believe you're not on the bench between Wojo and Carrawell...
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The opinionated military guy has spoken. Like there isn't an non-opinionated military guy.
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As far as the benefit of the MPA, I do think this trip is likely better for the team, but anyone that thinks the Pro Am is valueless isn't paying attention. I watched Chris Otule develop his left pivot move in the post during the MPA and use it the subsequent season. Davante and Junior used the Pro Am to develop a solid passing repertoire so Junior knew how to find the freshman center in the post.
Those things were worked on in Kasten, and used in those games.
They didn't play in the league for the skill development. C'mon.
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Those things were worked on in Kasten, and used in those games.
They didn't play in the league for the skill development. C'mon.
There was skill development in the MPA. It wasn't the same style as Kasten, but guys got to experiment with what they learned in practice against unfamiliar opponents to see what worked. Some of that translated to actual games. Absolutely no doubt in my mind of that.
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Oh please... Maybe you should demand that Wojo see the value...Hell, I can't believe you're not on the bench between Wojo and Carrawell...
WTF is wrong with you?
Look, I have absolutely no problem if Wojo doesn't judge that the ProAm is valuable compared to other manners of skill development and doesn't want his players participating. But that doesn't mean that people WHO HAVE ACTUALLY ATTENDED IT can't see how it has helped some players.
And you have never attended right??
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Let's not forget, Bert is a slimy cheater. It's the only reason that SMU had interest in him and the only reason VT hired him. So using him being at the Pro Am to prove that it wasn't against NCAA rules may be counterproductive to your argument. Just ask Chicos. Can't wait for his inside information to make it's way to the outside.
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WTF is wrong with you?
Look, I have absolutely no problem if Wojo doesn't judge that the ProAm is valuable compared to other manners of skill development and doesn't want his players participating. But that doesn't mean that people WHO HAVE ACTUALLY ATTENDED IT can't see how it has helped some players.
And you have never attended right??
There is a certain section of this board that has a permanent "grudge" against Jim Ganzer. It's just how it is and how it always will be. Anything related to "done deal" or the pro am must be mocked forever. No need to waste your time or breath.
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There is a certain section of this board that has a permanent "grudge" against Jim Ganzer. It's just how it is and how it always will be. Anything related to "done deal" or the pro am must be mocked forever. No need to waste your time or breath.
I have no grudge against Ganzer. I don't know him. But I do know that the Pro Am won't be seeing any MU players in it. Doesn't matter why. It just is.
No need to waste your time or breath speculating because there is nothing you can do about it. And frankly, the person making that call doesn't give a sh1t what anyone on Scoop says about that decision.
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WTF is wrong with you?
Look, I have absolutely no problem if Wojo doesn't judge that the ProAm is valuable compared to other manners of skill development and doesn't want his players participating. But that doesn't mean that people WHO HAVE ACTUALLY ATTENDED IT can't see how it has helped some players.
And you have never attended right??
WTF is wrong with YOU?
It doesn't matter how any of us assess the value of that tournament. Our opinion is inconsequential. And, more to the point, of exceedingly limited value.
Fact is, the current leadership of Marquette basketball is prohibiting current Marquette players from participating. That is the only opinion that matters.
To quote you - you can opine here til the cows come home or not - nobody gives a sh1t...least of all the decision makers in the Al.
If it's between the guy sitting in the fieldhouse who has the credentials, experience, legitimate insight and, most importantly, the responsibility for running the team or the guy sitting in the firehouse with neither the experience nor the insight and, most importantly, doesn't have responsibility for running the team i know who i am going to listen to.
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I have no grudge against Ganzer. I don't know him. But I do know that the Pro Am won't be seeing any MU players in it. Doesn't matter why. It just is.
No need to waste your time or breath speculating because there is nothing you can do about it. And frankly, the person making that call doesn't give a sh1t what anyone on Scoop says about that decision.
Donald Trump?
Robby Mook?
Wayne LaPierre?
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Donald Trump?
Robby Mook?
Wayne LaPierre?
Well, those people heed the advice generated here and with reason.
Scoopers shine when offering political advice, business insight, culinary recommendations, and tale of sexual conquest, fishing prowess, or drinking binges.
But basketball expertise? You gotta be craptin' me...
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WTF is wrong with YOU?
It doesn't matter how any of us assess the value of that tournament. Our opinion is inconsequential. And, more to the point, of exceedingly limited value.
Fact is, the current leadership of Marquette basketball is prohibiting current Marquette players from participating. That is the only opinion that matters.
Right. Which I acknowledged.
My point is that you jump on brew, like you always do, for saying that the MPA has value. If Wojo doesn't think it has *enough* value, that is fine and good by me. If he doesn't want MU players involved, it's no skin off my back.
But you said this "I have to disagree with this. The Pro Am is playground ball. Nothing more."
You have never been there have you? So what exactly are you basing this opinion on? People who have actually been there said it serves a purpose. People who know a hell of a lot more about basketball than either you or I think it serves a purpose.
So you really know nothing about which you are spouting off - per usual.
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Right. Which I acknowledged.
My point is that you jump on brew, like you always do, for saying that the MPA has value. If Wojo doesn't think it has *enough* value, that is fine and good by me. If he doesn't want MU players involved, it's no skin off my back.
But you said this "I have to disagree with this. The Pro Am is playground ball. Nothing more."
You have never been there have you? So what exactly are you basing this opinion on? People who have actually been there said it serves a purpose. People who know a hell of a lot more about basketball than either you or I think it serves a purpose.
So you really know nothing about which you are spouting off - per usual.
I haven't been there. Never had any interest. But I have spoken to Scoopers who have any they say it is fun to watch but of no value from an instructional point of view.
More importantly, the current Marquette coach does not see any value in it and has acted accordingly. That is all that matters.
I have never claimed any basketball expertise. Others here have.
Let me ask: You took issue with Ners' supposed expertise and cited coaching decisions to support your objections. So why do you accept the opinion of Brew who also claims great insight and expertise and argues against a coaching decision?
You need to be more consistent in your objections. And for what its worth Ners at least played the game at some level.
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The idea that people who watched the pro am are in any way qualified to judge its value is completely moronic. What qualifies them? The $5 admission fee? The fact that Buzz was sweating through his shirt in the next section of the bleachers?
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The idea that people who watched the pro am are in any way qualified to judge its value is completely moronic. What qualifies them? The $5 admission fee? The fact that Buzz was sweating through his shirt in the next section of the bleachers?
Those who spend the $5 are more qualified than those who don't.
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Thought it was free, hey?
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Those who spend the $5 are more qualified than those who don't.
That is absurd. Buying a ticket vests authority and knowledge?
You have mentioned you fly on commercial aircraft. How many credits is that towards your BS in Aeronautical Engineering?
I place my faith in the judgment of the man running the program. If the Head Coach of the Men's Basketball team has prohibited his players from participating in something it is with reason.
I have little faith in poseurs who possess at best a superficial understanding of the sport and can therefore offer little more than uninformed opinion. Buying a $5 ticket does not increase one's ability to gauge the technical merits of what transpires on the court.
I would not expect Wojo to offer me insight on heat transfer or chemical reforming. I am confident he would not expect me to offer advice on how to develop his players.
We get that you must be friends with our self-proclaimed insider. Don't let that cloud your judgment on actual expertise.
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Thought it was free, hey?
Well, Doc, you gets what you pays for, hey??
How much you charging these days for a quick yank??
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That is absurd. Buying a ticket vests authority and knowledge?
Really I didn't think I actually had to explain it to you. But I will...
I trust the opinions of those who are in attendance more than those who are not.
Got it?
We get that you must be friends with our self-proclaimed insider. Don't let that cloud your judgment on actual expertise.
That has nothing to do with it. Some coaches think it has more value than others. Those who I know who have attended says it has *some* value.
You are the first person I know who is so knowledgeable about something that you have actually never witnessed.
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Really I didn't think I actually had to explain it to you. But I will...
I trust the opinions of those who are in attendance more than those who are not.
Got it?
Fine. I got it. You believe your buddy's opinion on how much Gardner and Otule improved by playing in that tournament. Because, well, because he was in the stands watching them grow and progress before his discerning eye. You value the perspective of a self-proclaimed basketball expert and self-anointed Marquette Hoops insider. I got it.
I place my belief in the judgment of the man with actual expertise on this matter and, perhaps most important, responsibility for the training and development of his players. Wojo has prohibited his players from participating this year and every year from now on for a reason.
You listen to your sources and I will listen to mine.
Got it?
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The idea that people who watched the pro am are in any way qualified to judge its value is completely moronic. What qualifies them? The $5 admission fee? The fact that Buzz was sweating through his shirt in the next section of the bleachers?
There's no admission fee.
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Nevermind. Just gonna let it go.
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Well, Doc, you gets what you pays for, hey??
How much you charging these days for a quick yank??
Not enough, ai na?
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Not enough, ai na?
who does the yankin' in your office - you or the assistant?
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who does the yankin' in your office - you or the assistant?
If his assistant is cute, Doc is the one usually doing the yankin' ai'na?
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Nevermind. Just gonna let it go.
Sultan
I actually enjoy your posts. I love the sparring. You can be overbearing at times but you add a lot to the Scoop experience.
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Y'all are disgustin', hey?a
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Sultan
I actually enjoy your posts. I love the sparring. You can be overbearing at times but you add a lot to the Scoop experience.
Ditto. But I'm not going to keep repeating myself. Even I get bored with that...
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Sultan
I actually enjoy your posts. I love the sparring. You can be overbearing at times but you add a lot to the Scoop experience.
"Pot, meet kettle."
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How much you charging these days for a quick yank??
Hank the Yank, non è?
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Well, those people heed the advice generated here and with reason.
Scoopers shine when offering political advice, business insight, culinary recommendations, and tale of sexual conquest, fishing prowess, or drinking binges.
But basketball expertise? You gotta be craptin' me...
That reminds me, after Trump is elected President invest all your money in uranium. Then go to Real Chili with some gal you found on Ashley Madison. Then the next day take her fly fishing and split a case of Blatz while you discuss if John Olivier is the real Hoopaloop.
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Y'all are disgustin', hey?a
Doc, is it true you have Dawn Spinell doin' the yankin'? If so, when's your next opening?
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That reminds me, after Trump is elected President invest all your money in uranium. Then go to Real Chili with some gal you found on Ashley Madison. Then the next day take her fly fishing and split a case of Blatz while you discuss if John Olivier is the real Hoopaloop.
yea, that's a fairly typical day in the life of Scoop...
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Doc, is it true you have Dawn Spinell doin' the yankin'? If so, when's your next opening?
Pretty sure ol' DS is in New York, hey?
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yea, that's a fairly typical day in the life of Scoop...
back in the day, Blatz was the beer of choice for all the cheap beer drinkers.
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yea, that's a fairly typical day in the life of Scoop...
Replace Blatz with Schlitz, and you'd be on to something.
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My dad always had the fridge stocked with Blatz. I never heard of Schlitz until long after it went out of production. We never had Hamm's in the house either but I at least heard of it when I was young.
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back in the day, Blatz was the beer of choice for all the cheap beer drinkers.
Yes sir. My dad's Friday evening trip to Discount Liquor while mom and I were at Kohl's. We lived a mere 6 blocks away. Finally when he was retired I convinced him that he could graduate to MGD or something.
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And yes we did Serb Hall for fish fry at least once a month. Life was somehow simpler back then.
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My dad always had the fridge stocked with Blatz. I never heard of Schlitz until long after it went out of production. We never had Hamm's in the house either but I at least heard of it when I was young.
The Brown Bottle - A Marquette Tradition going back decades.
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My dad always had the fridge stocked with Blatz. I never heard of Schlitz until long after it went out of production. We never had Hamm's in the house either but I at least heard of it when I was young.
Loved the Hamm's commercials back in the 70's during timeouts of Bucks games back then...on channel 18
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Loved the Hamm's commercials back in the 70's during timeouts of Bucks games back then...on channel 18
The Hamm's song was Marquette's own back in the day...
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Better known as "Cherokee," hey?
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The Brown Bottle - A Marquette Tradition going back decades.
Picked up many a lass from that spot. bang, bang
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Abin reminds me of sophomore year Jimmy Butler.
YES! INDEED.....accurate first impression for me too
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Picked up many a lass from that spot. bang, bang
Your real name Jared, hey?
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Better known as "Cherokee," hey?
Roger that, Doc.
That was such an integral part of the Marquette Game Experience.
Back in the day we were the nuts on the boulevard. Opponents knew that the Arena was a snake pit and playing Marquette was something to be feared.
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YES! INDEED.....accurate first impression for me too
I really like this kid, he almost looks veteran- like when he's on the court. When Wojo can afford to drop him into the 3-2 slots he will be a much bigger scorer.