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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: WarriorDad on July 07, 2018, 12:44:44 PM
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My wife and I heard about this from friends in Milwaukee and we watched the video this morning. Her ears are always fine tuned to Milwaukee news as our last child moves through her MU experience. The first thing she said to me was the other Webb employee will be fired for having that weapon on her because companies don't allow employees to carry weapons. She's probably right, but not sure.
Companies don't want employees taking these things into their own hands, but you also have to wonder how this would have played out if she didn't have it. It astonishes me there wasn't some kind of security at that hour of the morning (1:15am). Has her behavior come up as part of the story from yesterday?
https://www.youtube.com/v/Z2iuL__9a-U
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Cost might be to much to have security.
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Is George Webb the Waffle House of Milwaukee???
I had a CEO once that said he was ok with people totin’ firearms at work. He told me we’d be safer if everyone carried a gun to work. That way, if the bad guys showed up, we could shoot back
Just can’t make that sheet up
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according to this article from wtmj-
" The worker with the gun has since quit her job at George Webb.
The victim says that worker has a concealed carry permit and that their boss allows them to conceal and carry for their protection if they have a license to do so. "
https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/george-webb-waitress-hit-by-customer-suffered-concussion
if it weren't for the heroics of the victims coworker, she probably would have suffered more than a concussion and the other worker could have been badly injured as well. the perpetrator is a known drug dealer in the area
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according to this article from wtmj-
" The worker with the gun has since quit her job at George Webb.
The victim says that worker has a concealed carry permit and that their boss allows them to conceal and carry for their protection if they have a license to do so. "
https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/george-webb-waitress-hit-by-customer-suffered-concussion
if it weren't for the heroics of the victims coworker, she probably would have suffered more than a concussion and the other worker could have been badly injured as well. the perpetrator is a known drug dealer in the area
Not surprising she quit. That would have been a difficult thing to see and the pulse rate had to be peaking off the charts. If Webb is not going to provide some security after 11:00pm, not worth having that type of job.
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Not surprising she quit. That would have been a difficult thing to see and the pulse rate had to be peaking off the charts. If Webb is not going to provide some security after 11:00pm, not worth having that type of job.
Do you think George Webb has that kind of overhead to provide security
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Was 911 ever called and how quickly did the police get there?
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Do you think George Webb has that kind of overhead to provide security
To put a minimum wage security guard into a restaurant? Yes. If not, then do what so many other fast food places do, keep only the drive thru open during those hours to protect the workers especially if in a high crime area.
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To put a minimum wage security guard into a restaurant? Yes. If not, then do what so many other fast food places do, keep only the drive thru open during those hours to protect the workers especially if in a high crime area.
How much security can one get for minimum wage these days? Cuz none of the security guards I know make minimum wage.
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To put a minimum wage security guard into a restaurant? Yes. If not, then do what so many other fast food places do, keep only the drive thru open during those hours to protect the workers especially if in a high crime area.
What world do you live in that a security guard makes anywhere near minimum wage. Like some dude just decided, hey I know what a great life decision would be, become a security guard in the ghetto and risk my life and limb for less then I'll make at walmart, while being more qualified then any of those people at walmart. That sounds like a great life decision, sign me up.
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To put a minimum wage security guard into a restaurant? Yes. If not, then do what so many other fast food places do, keep only the drive thru open during those hours to protect the workers especially if in a high crime area.
Average security guard pay in the Milwaukee area is $30K. Not including benefits.
So, roughly twice the minimum wage.
And since it's unlikely they'll be able to find someone who'll work 365 days a year, they'll need to hire two.
https://www1.salary.com/WI/Security-Guard-salary.html
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Not surprising she quit. That would have been a difficult thing to see and the pulse rate had to be peaking off the charts. If Webb is not going to provide some security after 11:00pm, not worth having that type of job.
I'm also not sure I'd like to work in a place where a known violent offender who has a reason to hate me can just waltz in on any of my shifts. As to the question in the OP about employers and guns, when I was a delivery driver the franchise owner frequently encouraged us to concealed carry on the job (with a permit).
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Average security guard pay in the Milwaukee area is $30K. Not including benefits.
So, roughly twice the minimum wage.
And since it's unlikely they'll be able to find someone who'll work 365 days a year, they'll need to hire two.
https://www1.salary.com/WI/Security-Guard-salary.html
$11 to $12 an hour, 100's of jobs listed. Full time salaries at $21K to $24K
https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/full-time-security-officer-salary-SRCH_KO0,26.htm
Minimum wage in Chicago is $12. https://www.cityofchicago.org/city/en/depts/mayor/supp_info/minimum-wage.html
Not sure what it is in Milwaukee. My suggestion was part time, late hours not full time.
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What world do you live in that a security guard makes anywhere near minimum wage. Like some dude just decided, hey I know what a great life decision would be, become a security guard in the ghetto and risk my life and limb for less then I'll make at walmart, while being more qualified then any of those people at walmart. That sounds like a great life decision, sign me up.
I live in this world https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Security_Guard/Hourly_Rate
Median pay $11.12. That is minimum wage in Chicago. Where am I wrong in terms of the costs? The life decision is a different story, but people make these life decisions all the time in the world that I live in, since you asked. :D
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I live in this world https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Security_Guard/Hourly_Rate
Median pay $11.12. That is minimum wage in Chicago. Where am I wrong in terms of the costs? The life decision is a different story, but people make these life decisions all the time in the world that I live in, since you asked. :D
Minimum wage in Wisconsin is $7.25.
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My guess is that there are only a couple of employees working the graveyard shift to begin with. No matter what you pay a security guard, it probably wasn't financially feasible to increase the number of employees by a third.
And I bet that the $11 wage that is being quoted is for unarmed guards (or at least includes them in the average), which would have been useless in this situation.
Also, this George Webb's was on 21st and Mitchell, which isn't the most desirable section of Milwaukee, but I wouldn't describe it as super sketchy. I doubt that most businesses that are open all night in Milwaukee have armed security.
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I used to love going to the pawn shops in Phoenix where every employee was strapped. Open carry. And some stores additionally had an armed guard with a shotgun just inside the door. I once asked why all the firepower and the guy said, "man, didn't you hear about the robbery?" Apparently the store owner was killed as were two robbers. The owner wasn't armed. From then on all the stores were heavily armed. Some great deals though. My favorite was 'Mo money pawn'.
Seems it was a good thing one of them was armed. May have prevented some permanent injury or worse. Appeared to have been handled properly-probably more restraint than I would have had.
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Here was the "Soup Schedule" that was posted on a big sign above the grill at the Webb's at 27th and Wells my junior year (1980-81, when I lived a few blocks away):
MONDAY: Bean and potato.
TUESDAY: Bean and ham.
WEDNESDAY: Bean and potato.
THURSDAY: Bean and ham.
FRIDAY: Bean and potato.
SATURDAY: Bean and ham.
SUNDAY: Bean.
As if that isn't hilarious enough, that's not the best part.
They didn't have ANY of those soups on ANY of those days.
All they ever had was Bean and bacon!
I shyte you not!!
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Here was the "Soup Schedule" that was posted on a big sign above the grill at the Webb's at 27th and Wells my junior year (1980-81, when I lived a few blocks away):
MONDAY: Bean and potato.
TUESDAY: Bean and ham.
WEDNESDAY: Bean and potato.
THURSDAY: Bean and ham.
FRIDAY: Bean and potato.
SATURDAY: Bean and ham.
SUNDAY: Bean.
As if that isn't hilarious enough, that's not the best part.
They didn't have ANY of those soups on ANY of those days.
All they ever had was Bean and bacon!
I shyte you not!!
Do you remember the name of the Irish bar next door? Both buildings have been vacant for years, still a shamrock above the door where the bar was.
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Do you remember the name of the Irish bar next door? Both buildings have been vacant for years, still a shamrock above the door where the bar was.
No sir, I do not. Never went there.
Too busy trying to digest that bean and bacon soup, I guess!
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My guess is that there are only a couple of employees working the graveyard shift to begin with. No matter what you pay a security guard, it probably wasn't financially feasible to increase the number of employees by a third.
And I bet that the $11 wage that is being quoted is for unarmed guards (or at least includes them in the average), which would have been useless in this situation.
Also, this George Webb's was on 21st and Mitchell, which isn't the most desirable section of Milwaukee, but I wouldn't describe it as super sketchy. I doubt that most businesses that are open all night in Milwaukee have armed security.
Closest 24 hr. Walgreens is 'bout 1 mile awey, aina?
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Closest Walgreens is 'bout 1 mile awey, aina?
i heard they're adding valet parking...ey...
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I didn't realize that Wisconsin is a right to carry state. If that happened in a fast food joint in Trenton, NJ those girls would have been badly beaten and if one did have a gun she would have been charged with illegal weapons possession. Here you are only allowed to have your weapon in your residence which has to be unloaded and locked in a safe place. The ammo for the weapon has to be stored in a separate room. If you take your weapon to a shooting range it must be place in the trunk or the rear of a SUV. If you purchase your gun out of state and physically return with it to New Jersey you committed a felony.
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I didn't realize that Wisconsin is a right to carry state. If that happened in a fast food joint in Trenton, NJ those girls would have been badly beaten and if one did have a gun she would have been charged with illegal weapons possession. Here you are only allowed to have your weapon in your residence which has to be unloaded and locked in a safe place. The ammo for the weapon has to be stored in a separate room. If you take your weapon to a shooting range it must be place in the trunk or the rear of a SUV. If you purchase your gun out of state and physically return with it to New Jersey you committed a felony.
Gun deaths per 100,000:
New Jersey - 5.5
Wisconsin - 11.4
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Gun deaths per 100,000:
New Jersey - 5.5
Wisconsin - 11.4
What are the stats if you take out hunting-related deaths?
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Doesn't Chicago have some of the strictest gun laws out there?
Doesn't stop this Cook County judge from carrying one and letting it accidentally fall out of his pocket:
http://abc7chicago.com/video-cook-county-judge-charged-after-gun-seen-falling-from-jacket/3743884/
(http://a57.foxnews.com/images.foxnews.com/content/fox-news/us/2018/07/11/illinois-judge-charged-after-allegedly-dropping-gun-in-courthouse/_jcr_content/par/featured_image/media-0.img.jpg/931/524/1531292799077.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)
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We need more guns in every state.
Happiness is a warm gun.
Archie Bunker wanted to hand out guns to every airline passenger to "stop your hijackings and skyjackings."
And when was Archie ever wrong about anything?
Guns! Guns! Guns!
'Merica!!!!!!!!!!!
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Doesn't Chicago have some of the strictest gun laws out there?
Doesn't stop this Cook County judge from carrying one and letting it accidentally fall out of his pocket:
http://abc7chicago.com/video-cook-county-judge-charged-after-gun-seen-falling-from-jacket/3743884/
(http://a57.foxnews.com/images.foxnews.com/content/fox-news/us/2018/07/11/illinois-judge-charged-after-allegedly-dropping-gun-in-courthouse/_jcr_content/par/featured_image/media-0.img.jpg/931/524/1531292799077.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)
1. No, Chicago doesn't have some of the strictest gun laws out there. That's a myth.
2. Conceal carry has been legal in Illinois for more than four years. I suspect you knew that. The judge had a license to do so.
3. But he's in big trouble because concealed guns aren't allowed in a courthouse.
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What are the stats if you take out hunting-related deaths?
There was one hunting-related death in Wisconsin in 2016. There were 664 gun deaths that year.
So, my limited math skills tell me that taking out hunting-related deaths won't make much of a difference.
https://dnr.wi.gov/files/pdf/pubs/le/LE0006_2017.pdf
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There was one hunting-related death in Wisconsin in 2016. There were 664 gun deaths that year.
So, my limited math skills tell me that taking out hunting-related deaths won't make much of a difference.
https://dnr.wi.gov/files/pdf/pubs/le/LE0006_2017.pdf
What is you take out suicides?
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What is you take out suicides?
Why would we do that? One of the leading factors in successful suicide is the availability of a gun.
"By state or region…for every age, for both genders, where there are more guns, there are more total suicides."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK223849/
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Doesn't Chicago have some of the strictest gun laws out there?
Doesn't stop this Cook County judge from carrying one and letting it accidentally fall out of his pocket:
http://abc7chicago.com/video-cook-county-judge-charged-after-gun-seen-falling-from-jacket/3743884/
(http://a57.foxnews.com/images.foxnews.com/content/fox-news/us/2018/07/11/illinois-judge-charged-after-allegedly-dropping-gun-in-courthouse/_jcr_content/par/featured_image/media-0.img.jpg/931/524/1531292799077.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)
Actually, Chicago doesn't.
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We need more guns in every state.
Happiness is a warm gun.
Archie Bunker wanted to hand out guns to every airline passenger to "stop your hijackings and skyjackings."
And when was Archie ever wrong about anything?
Guns! Guns! Guns!
'Merica!!!!!!!!!!!
PEW PEW PEW
I have a friend from France and he told me literally the entire world has a running inside joke about our country that anytime anyone mentions the USA the other person does this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EPFDCuyYvY
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PEW PEW PEW
I have a friend from France and he told me literally the entire world has a running inside joke about our country that anytime anyone mentions the USA the other person does this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EPFDCuyYvY
maybe they should hand this joke out to all the illegals coming into our country
bout as funny as that wolf girl-yikes
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We need more guns in every state.
Happiness is a warm gun.
Archie Bunker wanted to hand out guns to every airline passenger to "stop your hijackings and skyjackings."
And when was Archie ever wrong about anything?
Guns! Guns! Guns!
'Merica!!!!!!!!!!!
It's spelled Murka ya damn hippie!
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Why would we do that? One of the leading factors in successful suicide is the availability of a gun.
"By state or region…for every age, for both genders, where there are more guns, there are more total suicides."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK223849/
Because the discussion is about gun violence. Not self infliction. That is a whole mental health problem.
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PEW PEW PEW
I have a friend from France and he told me literally the entire world has a running inside joke about our country that anytime anyone mentions the USA the other person does this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EPFDCuyYvY
Anytime I met a new person in England one of the first questions asked was if I had any guns.
Back to the original topic, as a late night food aficionado, the only place I've seen security at a 24 hour joint is at the IHOP at Howard and Western. Rogers Park people could probably attest to that.
So I don't know how logistical security is at late night dining establishments.
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look what happened to this poor dude trying to stop a guy running out of his store(academy sports) with a .40 caliber and some ammo-they fired him(assistant mgr) for detaining/putting his hands on perpetrator(against store policy)until police got there-wow!
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/07/11/academy-sports-manager-fired-weeks-after-intercepting-gun-thief-suspect-in-florida-store-lawyer-says.html
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look what happened to this poor dude trying to stop a guy running out of his store(academy sports) with a .40 caliber and some ammo-they fired him(assistant mgr) for detaining/putting his hands on perpetrator(against store policy)until police got there-wow!
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/07/11/academy-sports-manager-fired-weeks-after-intercepting-gun-thief-suspect-in-florida-store-lawyer-says.html
I'm not sure he should have been fired, but the policy is pretty standard. Employees shouldn't be putting themselves in harm's way during a robbery.
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I'm not sure he should have been fired, but the policy is pretty standard. Employees shouldn't be putting themselves in harm's way during a robbery.
i can agree, but is this a rules are rules thing?
sure didn't take them long to fire him. i don't know this guys history, warnings etc, but he quite literally saved some lives. i wish the cops at the stoneman douglas school shooting would have had 1/2 the testosterone of this guy.
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Because the discussion is about gun violence. Not self infliction. That is a whole mental health problem.
A full response here would be overly political, but yes, suicide by firearm is gun violence. And it is categorized as such by the CDC, WHO and every other organization that tracks causes of death.
The notion that suicide is something other than gun violence is a lie that's been told to you by the gun lobby that wants you to believe that owning a gun makes you safer, when all empirical data says otherwise.
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A full response here would be overly political, but yes, suicide by firearm is gun violence. And it is categorized as such by the CDC, WHO and every other organization that tracks causes of death.
The notion that suicide is something other than gun violence is a lie that's been told to you by the gun lobby that wants you to believe that owning a gun makes you safer, when all empirical data says otherwise.
Is intentionally OD’ing on pills “pill-violence”?
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Is intentionally OD’ing on pills “pill-violence”?
If the discussion were about the overprescription of drugs of abuse, you bet.
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Is intentionally OD’ing on pills “pill-violence”?
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Is intentionally OD’ing on pills “pill-violence”?
Also a crisis that needs to be addressed. But it is ok to take steps to address this one. I clean up after both. Guns are a little more definitive. We sometimes save the pill takers. And pill takers don't usually take others with them. Shooters frequently do.
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NM
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Why would we do that? One of the leading factors in successful suicide is the availability of a gun.
"By state or region…for every age, for both genders, where there are more guns, there are more total suicides."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK223849/
What if we take out all of the people shooting themselves or others?
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"A full response here would be overly political, but..."
sully? got this one? ;)
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A full response here would be overly political, but yes, suicide by firearm is gun violence. And it is categorized as such by the CDC, WHO and every other organization that tracks causes of death.
The notion that suicide is something other than gun violence is a lie that's been told to you by the gun lobby that wants you to believe that owning a gun makes you safer, when all empirical data says otherwise.
Well, at least the CDC is permitted to study gun violence...
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1. No, Chicago doesn't have some of the strictest gun laws out there. That's a myth.
Yes and no. Our gun control laws have been set back due to some reversals on the court. One side says we have the toughest or strongest, but they are wrong. At the same time, our laws are still strict. As a state we rank 8th strongest with a B+ rating. I have never seen an index of cities, but our laws are tougher than most in this country in that regard.
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Yes and no. Our gun control laws have been set back due to some reversals on the court. One side says we have the toughest or strongest, but they are wrong. At the same time, our laws are still strict. As a state we rank 8th strongest with a B+ rating. I have never seen an index of cities, but our laws are tougher than most in this country in that regard.
Kinda hard to enforce those laws when you have a C- and D- state only a short 45-1hr drive away. It's like banning junk food at your house and expecting your kids not to eat it at their friends house next door where it's readily available.
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Kinda hard to enforce those laws when you have a C- and D- state only a short 45-1hr drive away. It's like banning junk food at your house and expecting your kids not to eat it at their friends house next door where it's readily available.
Or you have folks who don't give a crap about what the law says. Like this judge.
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Kinda hard to enforce those laws when you have a C- and D- state only a short 45-1hr drive away. It's like banning junk food at your house and expecting your kids not to eat it at their friends house next door where it's readily available.
Great point, but does that mean our guys are more criminal in nature than Wisconsin's or Indiana's? If guns are so easy to acquire in border states requiring a short drive from Chicago, shouldn't the murder rates in cities in those states at least be equal to ours, if not higher? They aren't, they are actually lower.
Chicago 23.8
Milwaukee 19.8
Indianapolis 17.7
These murder rates aren't all from guns, maybe the explains part of it?
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at least our acid attacks are less than london. their murder rate however, has soared 44% mirroring that of new york city. good thing handguns aren't allowed though, eyn'a? #banacid... err something... there fixed it ;)
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/acid-attack-violence-in-london-soars-by-more-than-78-per-cent-a3736516.html
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at least our acid attacks are less than london. their murder rate however, has soared 44% mirroring that of new york city. good thing handguns aren't allowed though, eyn'a? #banacid... err something... there fixed it ;)
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/acid-attack-violence-in-london-soars-by-more-than-78-per-cent-a3736516.html
You're wrong about pretty much everything here.
London's murder rate remains vastly below New York's.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44807271
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at least our acid attacks are less than london. their murder rate however, has soared 44% mirroring that of new york city. good thing handguns aren't allowed though, eyn'a? #banacid... err something... there fixed it ;)
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/acid-attack-violence-in-london-soars-by-more-than-78-per-cent-a3736516.html
You were right, then you were wrong. It isn't bigger than NYC, but the surge in murder rate has to be concerning to them, especially the instruments of death being used. New York's murder rate has generally improved, London's has worsened, but that doesn't mean the hyperbole of saying it is equal to that of NYC. London needs to figure this out.
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You're wrong about pretty much everything here.
London's murder rate remains vastly below New York's.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44807271
well i could have used any number of sources, but i thought usatoday would be safe with you guys-
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/04/03/londons-murder-rate-higher-than-new-york-citys/480860002/
londons murder rate may have leveled off since then, but as i said-MIRRORS. as for acid attacks, some refer to it as the "acid attack capital of the world. india, france and bangladesh are right there too
https://www.news.com.au/world/face-melters-the-acid-attack-capitals-of-the-world/news-story/afe10105149eac4aa0c1b7013394d4a3
"But London is fast on the region’s heals and has, in recent times, earned the unenviable title of ‘acid attack capital of the world’. "
knife attacks are considered attempted murder, but acid attacks are considered "GBH" whatever that is. it's not illegal to carry one of the most common DIY weapons-bleach, sulfuric acid, drain cleaner, ammonia. but at least they aren't carrying guns...phew. knives and bats and acid, etc are not only physically deforming(duh) but psychologically deforming as well as most of them have to live publicly with their injuries for the rest of their lives.
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You were right, then you were wrong. It isn't bigger than NYC, but the surge in murder rate has to be concerning to them, especially the instruments of death being used. New York's murder rate has generally improved, London's has worsened, but that doesn't mean the hyperbole of saying it is equal to that of NYC. London needs to figure this out.
I know you don't even know what a chicos is, but he frequently argued that knives were as dangerous as guns. He also said we need to allow guns in movie theaters because, you know, what could possibly go wrong with a bunch of people opening fire in a dark room?
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I know you don't even know what a chicos is, but he frequently argued that knives were as dangerous as guns. He also said we need to allow guns in movie theaters because, you know, what could possibly go wrong with a bunch of people opening fire in a dark room?
i think you can if the owners allow it and it ain't in a "gun free zone". of course, a lot of good those do when some evil sob doesn't give a chit.
you sure do miss that chicos guy, doncha
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I know you don't even know what a chicos is, but he frequently argued that knives were as dangerous as guns. He also said we need to allow guns in movie theaters because, you know, what could possibly go wrong with a bunch of people opening fire in a dark room?
OK, then that is a good thing since I do not believe knives are as dangerous as guns, nor do I think guns should be allowed in movie theaters. I do believe London has a problem they need to get a handle on. A 44% increase in murders for a city that size in one year is not a good thing.
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i think you can if the owners allow it and it ain't in a "gun free zone". of course, a lot of good those do when some evil sob doesn't give a chit.
you sure do miss that chicos guy, doncha
You can only miss a guy who isn't here.
And even if he weren't here, he has a certain someone special who carries the torch for him.
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In b4 the lock, and minimum wage armed guards at George Webbs.
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In b4 the lock, and minimum wage armed guards at George Webbs.
Since we are here....if they can't afford regular armed guards surely Kinderguardians could fill the position at a reasonable cost.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkXeMoBPSDk&frags=pl%2Cwn (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkXeMoBPSDk&frags=pl%2Cwn)
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Since we are here....if they can't afford regular armed guards surely Kinderguardians could fill the position at a reasonable cost.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkXeMoBPSDk&frags=pl%2Cwn (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkXeMoBPSDk&frags=pl%2Cwn)
”Children under 5 also have elevated levels of the pheromone
Blink-182, produced by the part of the liver known as Rita Ora.
This allows nerve reflexes to travel along the Cardi B pathway
to the Wiz Khalifa 40% faster, saving time & saving lives.”
@LarryPratt
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Should just put toddlers with guns at each Webb's location.
Toddlers have shot dozens and dozens of people the last couple of years.
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In b4 the lock, and minimum wage armed guards at George Webbs.
Companies use minimum wage armed guards throughout this country. Better yet, shut the doors at midnight and allow drive through only.
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Since we are here....if they can't afford regular armed guards surely Kinderguardians could fill the position at a reasonable cost.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkXeMoBPSDk&frags=pl%2Cwn (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkXeMoBPSDk&frags=pl%2Cwn)
The puppy pistol. These people are insane. When does this show air? He is going to expose many people.
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Great point, but does that mean our guys are more criminal in nature than Wisconsin's or Indiana's? If guns are so easy to acquire in border states requiring a short drive from Chicago, shouldn't the murder rates in cities in those states at least be equal to ours, if not higher? They aren't, they are actually lower.
Chicago 23.8
Milwaukee 19.8
Indianapolis 17.7
These murder rates aren't all from guns, maybe the explains part of it?
By this logic, how do you explain St. Louis' or Detroits' murder rate being so much higher than Chicago's?
BTW you cherry-picked the year you pulled those murder rates from. Chicago's has consistently been lower than Milwaukee's, except for 2016 when it was unusually high. 2017 and 2018 (so far) are down significantly from 2016 levels.
(https://www.thetrace.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Screen-Shot-2017-01-03-at-5.46.24-PM-720x0-c-default.png)
The bottom line is that strict gun laws don't really mean much if neighboring states are lax. Effective gun control would need to be done at a national level.
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The bottom line is that strict gun laws don't really mean much if neighboring states are lax. Effective gun control would need to be done at a national level.
Dis is so stoopid. We needz our gunz on accounta we gotta be able 2 shoot peeple.
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Companies use minimum wage armed guards throughout this country. Better yet, shut the doors at midnight and allow drive through only.
Too bad George Webb doesn't have drive throughs.
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Should just put toddlers with guns at each Webb's location.
Toddlers have shot dozens and dozens of people the last couple of years.
How many toddlers would you need to stop a George Webb robber?
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Or you have folks who don't give a crap about what the law says. Like this judge.
There's always going to be people who flout the law, as well as corrupt public officials.
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How many toddlers would you need to stop a George Webb robber?
This sounds like either one of those "How many xxxx does it take to screw in a light bulb" jokes or lyrics to a Dylan song.
How many toddlers will it take till we know ... that too many people have died?
The answer my friend, is shootin' in at George Webb. The answer is shootin' at George Webb.
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How many toddlers would you need to stop a George Webb robber?
I don't know why all of you are still harboring a grudge against Mayo, but I doubt he has resorted to working night security at a low end restaurant chains.
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Too bad George Webb doesn't have drive throughs.
https://onmilwaukee.com/dining/articles/twonewwebbs.html
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By this logic, how do you explain St. Louis' or Detroits' murder rate being so much higher than Chicago's?
BTW you cherry-picked the year you pulled those murder rates from. Chicago's has consistently been lower than Milwaukee's, except for 2016 when it was unusually high. 2017 and 2018 (so far) are down significantly from 2016 levels.
(https://www.thetrace.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Screen-Shot-2017-01-03-at-5.46.24-PM-720x0-c-default.png)
The bottom line is that strict gun laws don't really mean much if neighboring states are lax. Effective gun control would need to be done at a national level.
In my opinion there are so many factors, which is why only claiming it is an easy drive to the border doesn't always hold up and other times will.
I didn't cherry pick, the source I had was also the Trace from April of 2018.
(https://www.thetrace.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/murder-rate-ranking-1280x0-c-default.png)
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Great point, but does that mean our guys are more criminal in nature than Wisconsin's or Indiana's? If guns are so easy to acquire in border states requiring a short drive from Chicago, shouldn't the murder rates in cities in those states at least be equal to ours, if not higher? They aren't, they are actually lower.
Chicago 23.8
Milwaukee 19.8
Indianapolis 17.7
These murder rates aren't all from guns, maybe the explains part of it?
40% of guns confiscated in Chicago are from Indiana Wisconsin and Mississippi.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/glanton/ct-met-gun-control-chicago-dahleen-glanton-20171003-story.html
The matter has to do with gang culture. Chicago has a rate of 20% arrested adult males claiming gang membership. That's twice the next highest city which is LA. No other city has a gang membership rate to even a third of ours.
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https://onmilwaukee.com/dining/articles/twonewwebbs.html
Congratulations you found the only one although it is at a truckstop in Kenosha and is NOT open 24 hours. If you put it side-by-side with any other Webb location, that one looks unlike all the others
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Congratulations you found the only one although it is at a truckstop in Kenosha and is NOT open 24 hours. If you put it side-by-side with any other Webb location, that one looks unlike all the others
And it's not open any more. It's a Dairy Queen now.
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It's curious that in a discussion of gun violence,
Chicos WarriorDad is focusing on murder rates when, by his own admission, that's fairly useless when an unknown number of those murders weren't the result of gun violence.
On the other hand, we have actual data on gun violence which he's choosing to ignore.
What gives?
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It's curious that in a discussion of gun violence, Chicos WarriorDad is focusing on murder rates when, by his own admission, that's fairly useless when an unknown number of those murders weren't the result of gun violence.
On the other hand, we have actual data on gun violence which he's choosing to ignore.
What gives?
IC, IC
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It's curious that in a discussion of gun violence, Chicos WarriorDad is focusing on murder rates when, by his own admission, that's fairly useless when an unknown number of those murders weren't the result of gun violence.
On the other hand, we have actual data on gun violence which he's choosing to ignore.
What gives?
What's a chicos?
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In before the lock!
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What's a chicos?
Imagine Sultan but with a right leaning bent
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The new Sacha Baron Cohen show on Showtime had a hilarious final segment - he convinced a bunch of gun nuts, including one supposedly influential lobbyist, that he was an Israeli mover/shaker who wanted to set up a guns-for-toddlers program in America to protect our schools and preschools.
Teachers having guns isn't enough. Get 'em in the hands of 3-year-olds!
You gotta watch it to see all the folks who thought it was real and who bought in.
Yes, it was hilarious, but of course in a freakin' sad way.
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The new Sacha Baron Cohen show on Showtime had a hilarious final segment - he convinced a bunch of gun nuts, including one supposedly influential lobbyist, that he was an Israeli mover/shaker who wanted to set up a guns-for-toddlers program in America to protect our schools and preschools.
Teachers having guns isn't enough. Get 'em in the hands of 3-year-olds!
You gotta watch it to see all the folks who thought it was real and who bought in.
Yes, it was hilarious, but of course in a freakin' sad way.
Looking forward to watching this.
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The new Sacha Baron Cohen show on Showtime had a hilarious final segment - he convinced a bunch of gun nuts, including one supposedly influential lobbyist, that he was an Israeli mover/shaker who wanted to set up a guns-for-toddlers program in America to protect our schools and preschools.
Teachers having guns isn't enough. Get 'em in the hands of 3-year-olds!
You gotta watch it to see all the folks who thought it was real and who bought in.
Yes, it was hilarious, but of course in a freakin' sad way.
Didn't he call them "Kinder Gunners" or something liek that?
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Didn't he call them "Kinder Gunners" or something liek that?
I think it was "kinderguardians"
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Kinderguardians.
Watch the episode if you haven't already. An amazing list of folks who thought the idea was real and wanted in on it.
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10 minute preview here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkXeMoBPSDk
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Imagine Sultan but with a right leaning bent
Sounds terrible in both ways. ;)
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Do you remember the name of the Irish bar next door? Both buildings have been vacant for years, still a shamrock above the door where the bar was.
It was O'Donoghue's Irish Pub on 35th and State. I played softball for that bar for several years while at MU in the early '80s. Bartender was a little dude named Jimmy, and we passed around pitchers of "Combat Juice" after games. Then we'd eat breakfast at the Webb's on the corner before heading home.
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It was O'Donoghue's Irish Pub on 35th and State. I played softball for that bar for several years while at MU in the early '80s. Bartender was a little dude named Jimmy, and we passed around pitchers of "Combat Juice" after games. Then we'd eat breakfast at the Webb's on the corner before heading home.
It kinda blows my mind how much MU students hung out that far west back in the day. I know there was a dorm way out there too (West Hall?)...it just seems crazy now though. We never really went past 22nd and Wells. I had a few friends who lived on State but it was like 18th and State. On the south side I think we never really went past 22nd and Michigan.
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22ND and Michigan. Also known as 'home' senior year.
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I was at MU from 86-90, and I rarely went west of about 19th Street. All of my friends lived just a couple blocks north of campus so there was really no reason.
The people who lived at West Hall lived in a different world. They took a bus to campus and hung out at different bars. Eventually you really couldn't even understand the language they spoke.
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I was at MU from 86-90, and I rarely went west of about 19th Street. All of my friends lived just a couple blocks north of campus so there was really no reason.
The people who lived at West Hall lived in a different world. They took a bus to campus and hung out at different bars. Eventually you really couldn't even understand the language they spoke.
I lived at West Hall. Walked to campus unless I overslept or lousy weather. Hung out at the same bars as everyone else. Pretty sure I was speaking the same English as everyone else.
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I lived at West Hall. Walked to campus unless I overslept or lousy weather. Hung out at the same bars as everyone else. Pretty sure I was speaking the same English as everyone else.
I stand by my hyperbolic statements!!!! You were pretty much a foreigner.
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I lived at West Hall. Walked to campus unless I overslept or lousy weather. Hung out at the same bars as everyone else. Pretty sure I was speaking the same English as everyone else.
Me too. Loved West.
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22ND and Michigan. Also known as 'home' senior year.
My brother lived at 22nd & Michigan his Sophomore & Junior years.
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I stand by my hyperbolic statements!!!! You were pretty much a foreigner.
We did get the VFW experience that the rest of you missed out on
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I stand by my hyperbolic statements!!!! You were pretty much a foreigner.
Let the record reflect Sultan wants Marquette to build a wall at 19th Street.
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Let the record reflect Sultan wants Marquette to build a wall at 19th Street.
Made out of materials from the Pabst Mansion.
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My brother lived at 22nd & Michigan his Sophomore & Junior years.
IIRC, there were 5 nearly identical houses in the north side of the street. I lived in the second one from the west. 2132, I think, 30 years later.
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10 minute preview here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkXeMoBPSDk
The second "episode" of the Sacha Baron Cohen show ended with a whack-a-doodle, racist legislator from Georgia having to resign.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/georgia-lawmaker-resign-racial-slurs-sacha-baron-cohen/story?id=56802041
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The second "episode" of the Sacha Baron Cohen show ended with a whack-a-doodle, racist legislator from Georgia having to resign.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/georgia-lawmaker-resign-racial-slurs-sacha-baron-cohen/story?id=56802041
Either a lot of those in/running for public office lately. Or just made out to be that way
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Either a lot of those in/running for public office lately. Or just made out to be that way
There's no way this guy was "just made out" to be that way!
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The second "episode" of the Sacha Baron Cohen show ended with a whack-a-doodle, racist legislator from Georgia having to resign.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/georgia-lawmaker-resign-racial-slurs-sacha-baron-cohen/story?id=56802041
Saw one on the internet where Baron was exposed at a gun shop. The gun shop owner sniffed him out right from the start and it was caught on his security cameras. Baron immediately left the facility after being identified. My guess here is that gun shop owners, at least those I have encountered are on the lookout for someone odd as they can be held responsible to whom they sell to. Give the shop owner credit, took him about 15 seconds, not only identified him as fake, he actually named him and this was months before the show came out.
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Saw one on the internet where Baron was exposed at a gun shop. The gun shop owner sniffed him out right from the start and it was caught on his security cameras. Baron immediately left the facility after being identified. My guess here is that gun shop owners, at least those I have encountered are on the lookout for someone odd as they can be held responsible to whom they sell to. Give the shop owner credit, took him about 15 seconds, not only identified him as fake, he actually named him and this was months before the show came out.
How on earth anyone falls for his Israeli commando character is beyond me. His face looks like it's melting.
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Saw one on the internet where Baron was exposed at a gun shop. The gun shop owner sniffed him out right from the start and it was caught on his security cameras. Baron immediately left the facility after being identified. My guess here is that gun shop owners, at least those I have encountered are on the lookout for someone odd as they can be held responsible to whom they sell to. Give the shop owner credit, took him about 15 seconds, not only identified him as fake, he actually named him and this was months before the show came out.
It didn't take Koppel long, either; after a couple mins, told Sacha to take a hike. And Sanders also realized fairly early on that something wasn't right.
Sure is interesting through 2 weeks to see how many were so thoroughly duped, though.
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It didn't take Koppel long, either; after a couple mins, told Sacha to take a hike. And Sanders also realized fairly early on that something wasn't right.
Sure is interesting through 2 weeks to see how many were so thoroughly duped, though.
Mostly agree, but it can depend on the editing, too. What isn't shown to us, what makes it on the cutting room floor sometimes tells a story, too. Entertainment types are ultimately trying to tell their story. Sinclair got busted for it earlier this year from the right. Michael Moore a number of years back from the left.
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Mostly agree, but it can depend on the editing, too. What isn't shown to us, what makes it on the cutting room floor sometimes tells a story, too. Entertainment types are ultimately trying to tell their story. Sinclair got busted for it earlier this year from the right. Michael Moore a number of years back from the left.
That's fair.
I don't know about Bernie, but Koppel sure seemed to sense the silliness almost right from the very first question.
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Made out of materials from the Pabst Mansion.
How about Pabst cans?