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Of course it's fine for an allegation to be made. That's different than railroading people without a single shred of evidence and having the entire media, Duke University, and community screaming they should all be in prison and committed a heinous crime. The coach was also terminated with zero wrongdoing.
Your hyperbole isn't really accurate here.But who lost their job over this?
I think he's conflating this case and the Duke Lax case. The LAX coach was forced to resign.
But you do understand I hope that it is the proponent of an allegation or statement that has the burden of proving that the allegation has a basis in fact. BYU wants to flush out the facts here but the onus is not on them to prove or disprove anything.
TAMUI do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.
The majority of the media is "full of #2" and has been for decades.
Actually you are incorrect here. Universities are bound by Title VII which prevents harassment and discrimination based on a protected class. Once they are made aware of an allegation of racial harassment at one of their sponsored events, they are obligated to at very least offer a grievance process to the complainant and if the complaint accepts the offer, they are obligated to at very least look into it (what that entails would depend on the nature of the accusation).
Ever since the fairness doctrine went away and Fox and Rush hit the airwaves.
No, I'm not "incorrect here" because what I said a couple of posts back is consistent with what you said in the quoted portion.
The complainant can be afforded the most elaborate grievance process ever put together, and, she can provided the most thorough investigation ever conducted. But if the facts aren't there to support a finding of wrongdoing, then there will be no finding of wrongdoing.
Yay! Politics!
I responded in kind.
Context and source. And I stand by it.
You can report the post instead of clogging up the topic with your complaints.
A couple of things here. There were shreds of evidence, but not nearly enough to convict for rape and for at least one of the defendants there was exculpatory evidence for rape.The "entire media" was not screaming that they should be in prison and committed a heinous crime. The majority of media just reported on the allegations. There were plenty of opinion articles and everyday people who made judgements but that's something different.There were bad actors in Durham law enforcement, the DA's office, and Duke that did railroad the defendants. They were wrong and what they did was illegal. The defendants have been well compensated for what was done to them. Again, this doesn't mean that all of them were innocent.There was plenty of wrongdoing by the coach, just not necessarily related to this incident or enough to justify forced resignation. IIRC, he was also well compensated in the end.
Thanks, Dad. Reporting apparently does little, since Rico still posts in abundance. Tower is normally better than that.
You will regain my my respect when you complain about a political statement that agrees with you.
The fact that they were well compensated by Duke, because Duke was sued and lost, isn't really the point. It's how Duke's President and faculty in particular responded to the allegation without knowing one fking thing about the case. This exacerbated racial division in the community, on campus, on other local campuses, statewide, nationally, and led to the media propagating the "story" non-stop. In lieu of the coach being essentially fired you can make the argument that a ton of faculty there, and Broadhead, should have lost their jobs. Their actions were totally dishonest and ignominious to say the least. Now, obviously the local authorities and DA were assclowns engaging in criminal behavior but there weren't just "a few bad actors". Duke University bears significant responsibility.
Broadhead, maybe. The vast majority of the faculty, no. Free speech is free speech. I know there were some allegations that at least one faculty member retaliated against one of the accused by giving them an unjust failing grade which is certainly a terminatable offense. I honestly don't remember the details of that particular allegation so I can't comment on the veracity of that allegation.IIRC, Duke didn't lose, they settled. The rules surrounding these proceedings back then were very vague and led to a lot of abuse in both directions. This case is part of what led to Obama issuing new guidance in 2011 which gave those accused of sexual misconduct more due process than students accused of any other misconduct at a university. Despite all that, I think you are right that Duke did bear significant responsibility. I just think you overestimate how many people were involved in those decisions.I'm also going to take this opportunity to point out that the circumstances of Duke LAX are wildly different than and not really applicable to this volleyball allegation which is the actual topic being discussed.
As far as the volleyball player I don't mean to make parallels. I would imagine they have plenty of video abd audio from the game while this player was serving. If it comes out that they did indeed slur her, or scream the N word they (individuals and BYU) absolutely should be investigated and severely punished. But on the flipside if they find out nothing happened and the story was fabricated the Duke player should be expelled imo.