Justin

[panda]

OK, hyperbole on my part; but I still believe that it would take a miracle or a lot of cash for Marquette to have a chance at winning a NC and I don't see the administration spending as much money on Basketball as they do now if we are not competitive to compete to win a NC. It is the main reason I watch and root for the team is that we always had a shot even under Crean and Buzz. Shaka may be great coach, but if he can't keep players because there "greener pastures" for the players elsewhere it will be difficult to put a competitive team on the floor. Maybe there are sponsors out there, just have to wait and see. No doubt NIL is good for the athletes, but that does not necessarily translate to being good for Marquette basketball.

To be fair - long before NIL, it would’ve taken a miracle or loads of cash to win a NC too.

Nothing different now except we can potentially compete on the cash side of things if we stay ahead of our peers.

[NCMUFan]

When you went to class, were you just doing it to bring glory to Marquette? Or did you maybe use what you learned at Marquette to make a career that helped yourself?

I seem to recall a business transaction of course fees/tuition for classes.

[Viper]

You think artificially limiting individuals income from hundreds of thousands to zero is ethical?  Sounds like socialism to me

socialism would be shared ‘wealth’. I’m a capitalist 100%, but still need to get my mind around NIL when we’re talking six-figures AND full scholarships, especially at high tuition private schools.

[muwarrior69]

To be fair - long before NIL, it would’ve taken a miracle or loads of cash to win a NC too.

Nothing different now except we can potentially compete on the cash side of things if we stay ahead of our peers.

I don't recall that any of our '77 players received loads of cash to play for Marquette. The miracle part I can buy.

[muwarrior69]

Anyone who wants MU to succeed at the highest level has this in the back of their minds.  Some in the forefront.  We’ll see if MUBB organizers and donors step up.  If they don’t we’ll all be on our favorite pro team’s scoop page and not this one in a few years.  And our alma mater will have lost some of it luster.  It’s definitely not in MUs best interest to let basketball fail.

I"m a Knicks fan and haven't really followed them since the early 70s. Perhaps if they were more competitive.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

socialism would be shared ‘wealth’. I’m a capitalist 100%, but still need to get my mind around NIL when we’re talking six-figures AND full scholarships, especially at high tuition private schools.

“I’m a capitalist unless I think someone is making too much money.”

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

OK, hyperbole on my part; but I still believe that it would take a miracle or a lot of cash for Marquette to have a chance at winning a NC

How is that different than pre-NIL?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

No, that's not socialism. Socialism would be sharing that revenue between the institution and all the athletes, not just the one signing the deal. That would've been a perfectly acceptable alternative had it been suggested before all the NIL legislation went into effect.

This was more like indentured servitude, at best.

Yeah but I think Socialism is a dirtier word than indentured servitude for some.

[MU82]

D1 scholarship athletes receive a lot of privileges not afforded to other college students. Special privileges often come with some restrictions and responsibilities. Any college athlete who wants to give up those privileges and become just a “regular college student” can do so at any time. Now that college athletes have officially and openly become professionals why shouldn’t they be treated as such? I’m not saying they should be drafted out of high school but 2 shots at free agency by the time they’re 19 or 20 seems over the top. Letting Kentucky throw money at our players every year is one thing. Letting them do it without any transfer restrictions is another.

Depending on the school, lots of non-athletes get scholarships, and not only need-based. The editor of the Marquette Wire is a perfect example, and yet he or she could transfer from Marquette to Notre Dame at any time and immediately become the editor of the Domer Dope-Disher -- wouldn't have to sit out a year in between editing gigs. He or she also can make as much money as he or she wants from his or her NIL. Many schools have theater and orchestra majors on scholarships, too, and those young ladies and men can make good coin on their Insta accounts.

And there absolutely are transfer restrictions -- a basketball, football, baseball or hockey athlete only gets one free transfer unless he or she obtains a waiver.

Did you know that wrestling, swimming, volleyball, lacrosse, softball and other athletes have always had the right to transfer without sitting out a year of competition? Why should a wrestler getting a full ride at Iowa (where wrestling is a major sport) or volleyball at UCLA (where volleyball is huge) have rights that a basketball, football or baseball player doesn't? Thankfully, he or she no longer does. Many volleyball players are making big bank on NIL, too.

But hey, we certainly are free to worry or whine about this stuff. It's just not gonna change anything. Hope all is well with you and yours, Tony.

[Herman Cain]

OK, hyperbole on my part; but I still believe that it would take a miracle or a lot of cash for Marquette to have a chance at winning a NC and I don't see the administration spending as much money on Basketball as they do now if we are not competitive to compete to win a NC. It is the main reason I watch and root for the team is that we always had a shot even under Crean and Buzz. Shaka may be great coach, but if he can't keep players because there "greener pastures" for the players elsewhere it will be difficult to put a competitive team on the floor. Maybe there are sponsors out there, just have to wait and see. No doubt NIL is good for the athletes, but that does not necessarily translate to being good for Marquette basketball.

Memo To:muwarrior69
From: Herman Cain
Subject: MU Basketball NIL Competiveness

You have repeatedly expressed concern that MU’s basketball competitiveness  is going to go the way of The Dodo bird due to a lack of ability to compete in NIL.Fear not.

Here is the reason why: Money is fungible .

MU spends a lot on basketball . MU also has many avid donors to athletics.

MU has the resources to make NIL happen to retain the best players in the program. MU will figure out the way to get the dollars and donors allocated in a way to conform with NIL rules and regulations.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Memo To:muwarrior69
From: Herman Cain
Subject: MU Basketball NIL Competiveness

You have repeatedly expressed concern that MU’s basketball competitiveness  is going to go the way of The Dodo bird due to a lack of ability to compete in NIL.Fear not.

Here is the reason why: Money is fungible .

MU spends a lot on basketball . MU also has many avid donors to athletics.

MU has the resources to make NIL happen to retain the best players in the program. MU will figure out the way to get the dollars and donors allocated in a way to conform with NIL rules and regulations.

Yep.

[muwarrior69]

How is that different than pre-NIL?

Unless there is evidence to the contrary our NC was not bought and paid for and I'll take the miracle any day.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Unless there is evidence to the contrary our NC was not bought and paid for and I'll take the miracle any day.

Comparing college basketball now to 1977 isn’t really helpful.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Unless there is evidence to the contrary our NC was not bought and paid for and I'll take the miracle any day.

You said an NC would take a lot of money, not that an NC needed to be bought and paid for. Marquette invested a ton into basketball during the Al years and yes it was a miracle.

[Shooter McGavin]

Memo To:muwarrior69
From: Herman Cain
Subject: MU Basketball NIL Competiveness

You have repeatedly expressed concern that MU’s basketball competitiveness  is going to go the way of The Dodo bird due to a lack of ability to compete in NIL.Fear not.

Here is the reason why: Money is fungible .

MU spends a lot on basketball . MU also has many avid donors to athletics.

MU has the resources to make NIL happen to retain the best players in the program. MU will figure out the way to get the dollars and donors allocated in a way to conform with NIL rules and regulations.

From your lips to Gods ears Herman.  If we do that and Shaka can coach em up, the future is bright.

[Lennys Tap]

Depending on the school, lots of non-athletes get scholarships, and not only need-based. The editor of the Marquette Wire is a perfect example, and yet he or she could transfer from Marquette to Notre Dame at any time and immediately become the editor of the Domer Dope-Disher -- wouldn't have to sit out a year in between editing gigs. He or she also can make as much money as he or she wants from his or her NIL. Many schools have theater and orchestra majors on scholarships, too, and those young ladies and men can make good coin on their Insta accounts.

And there absolutely are transfer restrictions -- a basketball, football, baseball or hockey athlete only gets one free transfer unless he or she obtains a waiver.

Did you know that wrestling, swimming, volleyball, lacrosse, softball and other athletes have always had the right to transfer without sitting out a year of competition? Why should a wrestler getting a full ride at Iowa (where wrestling is a major sport) or volleyball at UCLA (where volleyball is huge) have rights that a basketball, football or baseball player doesn't? Thankfully, he or she no longer does. Many volleyball players are making big bank on NIL, too.

But hey, we certainly are free to worry or whine about this stuff. It's just not gonna change anything. Hope all is well with you and yours, Tony.

How much is Notre Dame going to pay the editor of the MU Tribune to transfer? How much is MU paying him or her now? Rules are different for professional football and basketball players than they are for people who write about them. College football and basketball players are now professionals. Do you think professional sports should do away with drafts and let college players pick their teams? And after they pick one, should they be free agents again in year two?

[Uncle Rico]

How much is Notre Dame going to pay the editor of the MU Tribune to transfer? How much is MU paying him or her now? Rules are different for professional football and basketball players than they are for people who write about them. College football and basketball players are now professionals. Do you think professional sports should do away with drafts and let college players pick their teams? And after they pick one, should they be free agents again in year two?

Yes and yes on the last two questions.  Universal free agency would be awesome

[panda]

I don't recall that any of our '77 players received loads of cash to play for Marquette. The miracle part I can buy.

We’ve made the title game twice and haven’t done it since 77. We’re not the major player that you’re painting us to be.

I for one am shocked Kentucky basketball found the money to pay the best college basketball player to stay in school and the university of Miami is throwing stacks of cash and guys.

Seriously what are we talking about here ?   

[muwarrior69]

You said an NC would take a lot of money, not that an NC needed to be bought and paid for. Marquette invested a ton into basketball during the Al years and yes it was a miracle.

...a lot of cash to pay/buy players.  As you say NIL is the player's money and not Marquette's. Most of these high level D1 basketball players won't be going to these schools for an education but for the money. If Marquette sunk a lot of money into the Basketball program I certainly did not see it. Most of the players dormed at Schroeder when I was there and the guys practiced in the old gym, not the palace, by comparison,  they call the AL today.

[Uncle Rico]

...a lot of cash to pay/buy players.  As you say NIL is the player's money and not Marquette's. Most of these high level D1 basketball players won't be going to these schools for an education but for the money. If Marquette sunk a lot of money into the Basketball program I certainly did not see it. Most of the players dormed at Schroeder when I was there and the guys practiced in the old gym, not the palace, by comparison,  they call the AL today.

I remember when broads couldn’t vote and didn’t wear pants.  Life was so much better

[4everwarriors]

Yeah butt now, ya don't know hoo's a broad and hoo's a dude. Sometimes ya just gotta stand 'em on der head and take a look, hey?

[avid1010]

Unless there is evidence to the contrary our NC was not bought and paid for and I'll take the miracle any day.

Honest question as I wasn't around then....it helped that racism was more prevalent in cbb and Al benefited from recruiting players other schools wouldn't?

[BCHoopster]

Honest question as I wasn't around then....it helped that racism was more prevalent in cbb and Al benefited from recruiting players other schools wouldn't?

I do not think Al recruited players other schools wouldn’t, other then Bill Neary, every kid might have been a Top 20 player in the country.  Many Top 5, the ones with jerseys hung up at the Forum!

[bilsu]

I do not think Al recruited players other schools wouldn’t, other then Bill Neary, every kid might have been a Top 20 player in the country.  Many Top 5, the ones with jerseys hung up at the Forum!

The early Al years there were still a lot of southern teams that would not recruit blacks. When we played Kentucky in NCAA tournament, Sophomore Chones was playing against Kentucky's first black player. I forget his name, but he was a sophomore 7'1' center. after the season he got convicted of rape and sent to prison. It would not of surprised me at all, if he was set up and falsely convicted of rape.

[Herman Cain]

Saw this about a former Montana punter now at Nebraska  getting some NIL from Dentists…….

’Kick away tooth decay’

Former Griz All-American punter Brian Buschini, who’s now at Nebraska, landed a unique Name, Image and Likeness deal with a dentist in Lincoln, Nebraska.

“He’s going to set up a little commercial and ‘kick away tooth decay,’” Buschini said in a video interview with local media in Nebraska on Tuesday.

He noted that the dentist approached him about the NIL deal. He added that he’s had a couple NIL opportunities since transferring to Nebraska after the 2021 season.

“I’m hoping to get some more (NIL deals) because I got to find a way to pay for my wife’s school too,” Buschini said. “So, that’s what we’re working on.”