Justin

[muwarrior69]

Can a coach/school who has a player with a large NIL and the player is willing to pay his own way declare him a walk on that would not impact the cap on scholarships? Is there a limit to the number of walk ons a team can have?

[Newsdreams]

Can a coach/school who has a player with a large NIL and the player is willing to pay his own way declare him a walk on that would not impact the cap on scholarships? Is there a limit to the number of walk ons a team can have?

No limits on walk ons, on the NIL I would imagine there is a restriction on that.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

No limits on walk ons, on the NIL I would imagine there is a restriction on that.

There is not.

[Shooter McGavin]

There is not.

Interesting way to get around the scholarship limit.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I doubt you will see it happen very often.

[Its DJOver]

It's just another strawman argument, unless the schools with the biggest NIL deals also find a way to play more than 5-on-5.  Think about it, if you've got 13 scholarships, plus 1 or 2 pay their own way through NIL players, how is any coach going to keep 15 players happy with game time? 

The question hasn't been posed here yet, but since it's the offseason it's only a matter of time.  Even if Jlew leaves, and no one else comes, we're at 12, with no real obvious red shirt candidate.  Gold maybe, just because he's more of an unknown, but I'd have to imagine their are minutes for him if he's a true 7 footer.  Jones are Ross have both been billed as players that can contribute from day one.  I can't really see anyone else being a candidate.  How would we balance the 12 players minutes? 

I know that's a good problem to have, it's on Shaka to manage, and if someone gets left behind they'd be a transfer candidate, but now imagine that situation with 3 more players.  Unless someone's NIL deal is so much that they don't mind not getting any PT, I don't think this situation will ever happen.

[muwarrior69]

It's just another strawman argument, unless the schools with the biggest NIL deals also find a way to play more than 5-on-5.  Think about it, if you've got 13 scholarships, plus 1 or 2 pay their own way through NIL players, how is any coach going to keep 15 players happy with game time? 

The question hasn't been posed here yet, but since it's the offseason it's only a matter of time.  Even if Jlew leaves, and no one else comes, we're at 12, with no real obvious red shirt candidate.  Gold maybe, just because he's more of an unknown, but I'd have to imagine their are minutes for him if he's a true 7 footer.  Jones are Ross have both been billed as players that can contribute from day one.  I can't really see anyone else being a candidate.  How would we balance the 12 players minutes? 

I know that's a good problem to have, it's on Shaka to manage, and if someone gets left behind they'd be a transfer candidate, but now imagine that situation with 3 more players.  Unless someone's NIL deal is so much that they don't mind not getting any PT, I don't think this situation will ever happen.

Really? Were there not some here saying NIL ($ amounts) would not affect team cohesion, but now you say playing time will? 

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Really? Were there not some here saying NIL ($ amounts) would not affect team cohesion, but now you say playing time will? 

Well...yeah.  A perceived unfairness in the lack of playing time has torn apart teams both professionally and in college before.  (Not to mention in high school, youth teams, etc.)  Hell, half of my Marquette intramurals team quit in a huff over playing time. 

But I have yet to see teams break apart due to differences in income.

[Its DJOver]

I'll put it this way, until there is an actual example of a player paying his own way through their NIL money, I will continue to believe that it's a strawman argument.  The deals last year were big enough that it could have happened, and they appear to be even bigger this year, and there are still no reports of it being considered an option.

[MU82]

Here is new Warrior Eagle Zaide Lowery talking about relationships (from the Marquette Wire):

Smart’s importance on building relationships helped set Marquette apart from the other schools that showed interest in Lowery.

“They were about the only school (that) really made sure like I felt like they really wanted me there and made me feel like it was just a family thing,” Lowery said. “The other schools that I had offers from didn’t really like text me a whole bunch to check up on me.”

Lowery said he created a close relationship with Marquette assistant coach Neill Berry during the recruiting process, as Berry served as the “main guy” amongst Smart’s assistants.

“He really just making sure that I’m good, like not even just about basketball all the time,” Lowery said. “They’re always asking me how I’m doing and normally he (Berry) FaceTimes me sometimes. Him (Berry) keeping up with me is a big part of me and him in this player-coach relationship.”

Since his official visit to Marquette back in November, Lowery said he has stayed in touch with first-year guard Kam Jones and first-year forward David Joplin.

Mitch McHenry, Lowery’s high school coach, said since Marquette first made contact last July they were “very hands on” in getting to know Lowery as a person both on and off the court.

“With their caliber of recruiting and how thorough they’ve been, they’ve been the best coaching staff that we have experienced in our program that recruited one of our kids,” McHenry said.

[muwarrior69]

I'll put it this way, until there is an actual example of a player paying his own way through their NIL money, I will continue to believe that it's a strawman argument.  The deals last year were big enough that it could have happened, and they appear to be even bigger this year, and there are still no reports of it being considered an option.

...but it is still an option. I wonder if any agents have even consider negotiating it on behalf of a player who really would like to play for that school as an inducement arguing that it would free up a scholarship for the coach.

[NCMUFan]

Interesting times in CBB.

[Viper]

Well...yeah.  A perceived unfairness in the lack of playing time has torn apart teams both professionally and in college before.  (Not to mention in high school, youth teams, etc.)  Hell, half of my Marquette intramurals team quit in a huff over playing time. 

But I have yet to see teams break apart due to differences in income.

quit over PT? ha
Wasn’t your approach shoot to get hot shoot to stay hot no shot a bad shot?

[Its DJOver]

...but it is still an option. I wonder if any agents have even consider negotiating it on behalf of a player who really would like to play for that school as an inducement arguing that it would free up a scholarship for the coach.

This has always been an option.  Do you think that the folks that payed Brian Bowen wouldn't have dropped the extra money for him to pay his own way and not use one of Slick Rick's scholarships?

The closest anyone has ever come to the scenario that you're describing is when daddy McD gave away Douggie's scholarship when he thought he was going pro, only for him to return and be a preferred walk on, scholarship still 100% payed by the University through dads salary.

[Shooter McGavin]

I doubt you will see it happen very often.

Agreed, the only way I see it happening is for a title contender needing that one last player to put them over the top that wasn’t available when they originally filled out the scholarships.  A late spring/early summer arrangement.  Still cheating but not universal.

[lawdog77]

Hell, half of my Marquette intramurals team quit in a huff over playing time. 

Did they write a letter?

[GoldenEagles03]

If Justin doesn't enter the transfer portal by Sunday, to my understanding he will either be back at Marquette or remain in the draft.

The consensus seems to be anywhere from 40 to undrafted. Currently 283 names in the NBA Draft pool with 58 (I believe) draft picks this year.

[bilsu]

To me it is the free transfer rule that makes the NIL bad.

[MU82]

To me it is the free transfer rule that makes the NIL bad.

So you don't believe that athletes in basketball, football, hockey and baseball should have the same freedom-of-movement ability that athletes in every other sport have enjoyed for decades?

[NCMUFan]

One just needs to come to grips that college basketball is a professional sport now with paid athletes.
The challenge to Marquette and Shaka & staff is how to put a competitive team on the floor yearly without having a bottomless purse.

[Lennys Tap]

Hell, half of my Marquette intramurals team quit in a huff over playing time. 

Did it get you a spot in the starting lineup?

[NCMUFan]

To me it is the free transfer rule that makes the NIL bad.

Maybe the next jump in the NIL evolution will be contracts with set playing lengths as in other professional sports.

[Lennys Tap]

So you don't believe that athletes in basketball, football, hockey and baseball should have the same freedom-of-movement ability that athletes in every other sport have enjoyed for decades?

Mike,

I think bilsu means that the NIL by itself is OK but adding the free transfer rule to the equation is problematic. The NIL provision officially makes the top athletes in the revenue producing sports (football and basketball) professionals. Professionals who begin their careers as free agents who then have an opt out (another free agency) after one, two or three years with the school/team they originally signed with. That’s a much better deal than they’ll ever have in the rest of their professional careers.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Did it get you a spot in the starting lineup?

I was the sixth man.  The offensive spark off the bench.

[Uncle Rico]

Maybe the next jump in the NIL evolution will be contracts with set playing lengths as in other professional sports.

You guys know how NIL deals work or just complaining about something you don’t understand?