Oso planning to go pro
you mean to tell me joe maddon was so indifferent about an entirely different play than the one where his player slid into the back of the catcher's leg while the catcher was completely exposed and completely blind to the slide that was coming towards him after the catcher had moved away from home plate specifically to avoid any kind of collision that joe didn't even bother to challenge a non-challengeable play?! well golly gee, obviously we were all wrong, joe didn't give a damn so much that he gave up the chance of getting an extra out in a one run game just to prove a point!you can't make this crap up. chicago sports fans are the best.
This is incredibly stupid. The Musgrove "slide" was extremely dangerous. Did you see it?
I'll stick with my opinion on Gold. He'll be in foul trouble within the first eight minutes.
That was Musgrove's second career time running the bases (not nearly as much experience breaking us double plays as Rizzo) and he apologized right away.
This is being blown out of proportion. Both slides were studs down so there was no attempt to injure, both were bad slides, but you also have to look at players involved. That was Musgrove's second career time running the bases (not nearly as much experience breaking us double plays as Rizzo) and he apologized right away. Rizzo has had other occasions where he has had a slide deemed potentially dangerous so there was always going to be more scrutiny involving him. Maddon's constant whining certainly did not help the situation.
Maddon didn't whine about the Musgrove slide. He was laughing in the aftermath. As you said, Musgrove probably doesn't have a lot of experience running the bases and I don't think there was any intent to injure there. At the same time it certainly was a dangerous slide and if the throw had come in later that could have been a serious injury for Baez. Musgrove came in high, hard, and late and had no chance whatsoever to stay on the base.
This quote from Musgrove goes against everything you said. He knew exactly what he was doing and he didn't apologize. "I wasn't trying to hurt [Baez] by any means, but I was trying to go in hard like their guy did, so he should've got out of the way, I guess."
Did you see actually see the play in question?
Agree that both slides were bad.My whole thing with Maddon is his whole "I used to play so I know the rules better than you" shtick he has. The whole thing after the Diaz play where he said that catchers used to get hit harder and need to have an internal clock similar to a QB because of that is stupid. Diaz clearly did enough to move out of the way and avoid Rizzo. Baseball isn't played the same way it was when he was playing. It's constantly changing, now faster than ever.
This quote from Baez goes against everything you said. He did in fact apologize"I asked him 'what was that about' he said sorry, conversation was over."Baez even continues that the whole thing was blown out of proportion. "everybody came out because they had too"And how does the fact that he said he was trying to break up the DP go against the fact that it was his second career time running the bases.
Nope. I was speaking generally. I have seen guys slur too late/hard and end up sliding past the base many, many times. Sometimes they get tagged out; sometimes they get back in time. But it's not illegal to slide past the base.
But it's not illegal to slide past the base.
You are making it sound like because it was his second time on the bases he didn't know what he was doing. He flat out said he went in hard on purpose. You can't vilify Rizzo and then defend Musgrove.
Rizzos slide was clearly to break up the double play. Was probably actually illegal as well.But can someone please tell me what the Sam hell is this argument about it being his second time on the basepath? What did he forget how to slide after playing in 9000 other games before his job career? What a dumb argument
This is incredibly stupid. The Musgrove "slide" was extremely dangerous. Did you see it?https://www.mlb.com/news/cubs-pirates-clear-benches-after-hard-slide/c-279047034
Putting slide in quotes and calling this one dangerous while saying Rizzo's was just fine and dandy is ridiculous. The Pirates were clearly responding to what Rizzo did and maybe even in some way how Maddon handled it (blaming Diaz...). You didn't have to be a prophet to see this coming.This, in some degree, in also on the umpires. If they could have handled the first play, which seemed obvious to me, it would have probably prevented this whole escalation. Though, maybe not.
I didn't say Rizzo's slide was "fine and dandy" after considering it more. I said it wasn't dirty. Those are two different things. Clint Hurdle is a complete turd so the Pirates' response was not unexpected.
Not sure you ever said, or implied that it wasn't. You called comments about it ridiculous or some such.If you did, sorry I must have missed it.And yeah, its a Clint Hurdle issue...
totally agree. a chicago sports fan decided to try to make the point that his team was so much bigger than the panzies elsewhere that his manager refused to challenge a play that would've netted him a second out in the inning and taken a baserunner off of first base in a one run game. what a theory. totally goes to show everyone here!oh wait, the play wasn't even reviewable. LOL!incredibly stupid indeed. but totally par for the course for cubs fans.
Hey dummy - it was a crew chief review so Maddon didn't need to challenge.
hey dummy - the play was never reviewed because it is quite literally not a reviewable play. this isn't that hard to understand, i really don't get how dumb chicago sports fans get when they go out of their way to try and defend their team, when in reality nothing needed to be defended.rizzo made a hard dirty slide that the mlb admitted they ruled incorrectly. musgrove made a hard slide in return but at least the fielder could see it coming. the umps had the ability to review one of the plays and didn't have the ability to review the other.you don't have to go out of your way to make up stupid arguments to make your team look "tougher" than they are. maddon didn't challenge the play not because he wanted to make a point that, "hey, our guy did nothing wrong, just hard baseball, and we have no issue with other teams playing hard too!" like tt claims. maddon didn't challenge the play because he literally could not challenge the play.this stuff is hysterical!
For the record the reason he couldn’t challenge play was because a throw wasn’t attempted. This explaination was given to the media after my initial post.Are you saying before the play occurred, you knew it couldn’t be challenged because no throw was made? If so you are more knowledgeable than the umps on the field who had to check with New York, the broadcasters for both teams, and the coaching staffs.