SOTG

[muwarrior69]

Theo and Sacar; as the fix was in.

[TJ]

Theo got jobbed.

Sacar got himself ejected. He deserves no praise for what he did last night. Getting in the middle of an altercation when you already had a T earlier in the game is going to get you tossed every time.

[HutchwasClutch]

Theo got jobbed.

Sacar got himself ejected. He deserves no praise for what he did last night. Getting in the middle of an altercation when you already had a T earlier in the game is going to get you tossed every time.

Give me a break

[HutchwasClutch]

In reference to comments about Sacar.  Both teams were barking and in each other's faces and in the midst of all that chaos, refs decided to target Anim.  Never mind Powell instigated it all by charging John when he already had one T.  But hey, Powell can play on, nothing to see there.

[TJ]

In reference to comments about Sacar.  Both teams were barking and in each other's faces and in the midst of all that chaos, refs decided to target Anim.  Never mind Powell instigated it all by charging John when he already had one T.  But hey, Powell can play on, nothing to see there.

they gave them a double T. It was Sacar’s 2nd so he was ejected. It was Powell’s first so he was not.

I’ll agree with you 100% that it’s not fair that Powell’s flagrant 1 foul earlier doesn’t count as a T for these purposes and I think the rule should definitely be changed, but as it stands that’s the rule.

[TJ]

Give me a break

I agree about Theo. It was BS.

You’re just wrong about Sacar. Theo walked away and kept his cool. Sacar didn’t. Powell should have been ejected too - the refs should have found a way - but that doesn’t mean that Sacar shouldn’t have.

[HutchwasClutch]

they gave them a double T. It was Sacar’s 2nd so he was ejected. It was Powell’s first so he was not.

I’ll agree with you 100% that it’s not fair that Powell’s flagrant 1 foul earlier doesn’t count as a T for these purposes and I think the rule should definitely be changed, but as it stands that’s the rule.

Total crap that Powell's flagrant 1 wasn't a T.  NCAA has to get this crap in order.  It's hurting the game badly and going to lose fans.

[HutchwasClutch]

I agree about Theo. It was BS.

You’re just wrong about Sacar. Theo walked away and kept his cool. Sacar didn’t. Powell should have been ejected too - the refs should have found a way - but that doesn’t mean that Sacar shouldn’t have.

Ok, you tell me, what did Sacar do to earn T number two?  Is your rationale that he didn't run away and hide? 

[TJ]

Total crap that Powell's flagrant 1 wasn't a T.  NCAA has to get this crap in order.  It's hurting the game badly and going to lose fans.

I can absolutely agree with that. Stupid rule. Should change ASAP.

[Dr. Blackheart]

they gave them a double T. It was Sacar’s 2nd so he was ejected. It was Powell’s first so he was not.

I’ll agree with you 100% that it’s not fair that Powell’s flagrant 1 foul earlier doesn’t count as a T for these purposes and I think the rule should definitely be changed, but as it stands that’s the rule.

Perhaps the rule should be cleaned up but F1’s are supposed to be unintentional or less involved. The real problem last night was that Powell’s should have been a F2 (intentional elbows with intent to harm) and Theo’s F2 should have been a marginal (at worst) F1. In their post-game slobber, the refs tried to justify something that didn’t happen.

[TJ]

Ok, you tell me, what did Sacar do to earn T number two?  Is your rationale that he didn't run away and hide?

He walked up to and got right  in a SHU players face. He was the only MU player to do anything wrong in the situation and he is also the only one who should have been on alert to NOT do something like that as he was playing with 1 T already.

For all the things that the refs did wrong last night (there were many, including letting it escalate to this point), this was not one of them. Can you honestly say that a player with an earlier T in the game getting involved in a scrap should not get a second T there?

[TJ]

Perhaps the rule should be cleaned up but F1’s are supposed to be unintentional or less involved. The real problem last night was that Piwell’s should have been a F2 (intentional elbows with intent to harm) and Theo’s F2 should have been a marginal (at worst) F1. In their post-game slobber, the refs tried to justify something that didn’t happen.

agreed

Theo got hosed, Powell got away with murder and Sacar was treated as he should have been. Sucks that properly calling Powell’s first cheap shot correctly could have avoided the whole situation, but it wasn’t and Sacar didn’t keep his cool.

[HutchwasClutch]

He walked up to and got right  in a SHU players face. He was the only MU player to do anything wrong in the situation and he is also the only one who should have been on alert to NOT do something like that as he was playing with 1 T already.

For all the things that the refs did wrong last night (there were many, including letting it escalate to this point), this was not one of them. Can you honestly say that a player with an earlier T in the game getting involved in a scrap should not get a second T there?

Yes I can say that.  He didn't push, shove, throw a punch.  Everyone was barking and in each other's faces.  They might as well have t'd up all 10 guys on the court then!!   Why was he the lone guy targeted other than SH goon who shoved John from behind.  The refs need to show discretion in judgment in that situation.  They sure gave Powell every benefit of the doubt to save his ass.  And Powell's offenses were way worse.  He started the whole thing by charging John. 

[ATL MU Warrior]

Theo got jobbed.

Sacar got himself ejected. He deserves no praise for what he did last night. Getting in the middle of an altercation when you already had a T earlier in the game is going to get you tossed every time.

He got shoved by a reserve player from Seton Hall. He reacted. What did you want him to do?  Run away?

[HutchwasClutch]

He got shoved by a reserve player from Seton Hall. He reacted. What did you want him to do?  Run away?

My point exactly.  The prior T he had was irrelevant, he did nothing to earn a 2nd one. 

[forgetful]

He walked up to and got right  in a SHU players face. He was the only MU player to do anything wrong in the situation and he is also the only one who should have been on alert to NOT do something like that as he was playing with 1 T already.

For all the things that the refs did wrong last night (there were many, including letting it escalate to this point), this was not one of them. Can you honestly say that a player with an earlier T in the game getting involved in a scrap should not get a second T there?

That isn't what he was T'd up for though. The officials say that Powell got up, and Sacar confronted him. He didn't. Powell came at Theo. Sacar was there trying to keep people separated.

At that point, the officials already called a double T on Powell and Sacar (at least that is what the lead official confirmed today).

They then later called a T on Mamu.

Sacar was not T'd up for his confronting Nelson. Incidentally, Nelson was not T'd up for shoving Sacar.

Total BS. Sacar didn't confront Powell at all. And you just can't call a T on Sacar but not Nelson. Officials were off their rockers.

[TJ]

He got shoved by a reserve player from Seton Hall. He reacted. What did you want him to do?  Run away?

stay calm and walk away or get a second T. He had his choices. His behavior was in sharp contrast with every other MU player. Did you expect the refs to call 3 T’s On SHU and nothing on MU?

[Dr. Blackheart]

stay calm and walk away or get a second T. He had his choices. His behavior was in sharp contrast with every other MU player. Did you expect the refs to call 3 T’s On SHU and nothing on MU?

Hard to walk away when a Seton Hall player hits you in the chest, aina?

[forgetful]

He got shoved by a reserve player from Seton Hall. He reacted. What did you want him to do?  Run away?

Again, he was not called for a T for the confrontation with the reserve player. They called a double T on him and Powell. They said he was trash talking Powell again. That didn't happen, but the officials claim it did.

[ATL MU Warrior]

That isn't what he was T'd up for though. The officials say that Powell got up, and Sacar confronted him. He didn't. Powell came at Theo. Sacar was there trying to keep people separated.

At that point, the officials already called a double T on Powell and Sacar (at least that is what the lead official confirmed today).

They then later called a T on Mamu.

Sacar was not T'd up for his confronting Nelson. Incidentally, Nelson was not T'd up for shoving Sacar.

Total BS. Sacar didn't confront Powell at all. And you just can't call a T on Sacar but not Nelson. Officials were off their rockers.

This guy actually paid attention and understands what happened.

[Mutaman]

A clear case of overthinking which along with ego is the main problem with modern officiating. Which ever MU player  banged Powell should have gotten a personal and Mamukelashvili should have gotten his second T. End of story. And it shouldn't have taken 9 minutes either.

[TJ]

He got shoved by a reserve player from Seton Hall. He reacted. What did you want him to do?  Run away?

2nd Guy gets the foul all the time. It’s a thing in sports. Don’t be the second guy...

[HutchwasClutch]

stay calm and walk away or get a second T. He had his choices. His behavior was in sharp contrast with every other MU player. Did you expect the refs to call 3 T’s On SHU and nothing on MU?

OMG- seriously.  You're obsessing about that first T to the point of being ridiculous.  So anything he looks or does from that point on in the game and it's ok to toss him.  Because he didn't take a knee with the Seton Hall cheerleaders, he deserved to be T'd up. 

[TJ]

Hard to walk away when a Seton Hall player hits you in the chest, aina?

2nd guy gets the foul... sucks for us but such is life.

[ATL MU Warrior]

Again, he was not called for a T for the confrontation with the reserve player. They called a double T on him and Powell. They said he was trash talking Powell again. That didn't happen, but the officials claim it did.

Hi w that seton hall reserve didn’t get T’d up for that shove is baffling.  They only reviewed it for 10 minutes.

[#UnleashSean]

I stand by what I posted in the game thread. Manu and sacar for sure kicked out. Powell was a maybe. Theo wasn't even on my radar

[HutchwasClutch]

Hi w that seton hall reserve didn’t get T’d up for that shove is baffling.  They only reviewed it for 10 minutes.

They saw only what they wanted to see. 

[TJ]

That isn't what he was T'd up for though. The officials say that Powell got up, and Sacar confronted him. He didn't. Powell came at Theo. Sacar was there trying to keep people separated.

At that point, the officials already called a double T on Powell and Sacar (at least that is what the lead official confirmed today).

They then later called a T on Mamu.

Sacar was not T'd up for his confronting Nelson. Incidentally, Nelson was not T'd up for shoving Sacar.

Total BS. Sacar didn't confront Powell at all. And you just can't call a T on Sacar but not Nelson. Officials were off their rockers.

I don’t remember a ton of interaction between them so you may be right. I can’t say either way if there was interaction between Powell and Sacar so if there wasn’t and the T was preemptive then t was bs. I still don’t think he helped his case by being literally the only MU player to respond to the SHU players shoving and I still think he’s gotta be smarter when playing with an earlier T.

[HutchwasClutch]

I don’t remember a ton of interaction between them so you may be right. I can’t say either way if there was interaction between Powell and Sacar so if there wasn’t and the T was preemptive then t was bs. I still don’t think he helped his case by being literally the only MU player to respond to the SHU players shoving and I still think he’s gotta be smarter when playing with an earlier T.

You really need to go back and watch the whole thing because you're not even being accurate in your comments.  Anim was not even close to    the only MU player to respond!!  Bailey went after the goon who shoved Theo and had to be held back.

[forgetful]

I don’t remember a ton of interaction between them so you may be right. I can’t say either way if there was interaction between Powell and Sacar so if there wasn’t and the T was preemptive then t was bs. I still don’t think he helped his case by being literally the only MU player to respond to the SHU players shoving and I still think he’s gotta be smarter when playing with an earlier T.

I've rewatched it. There was no interaction between Sacar and Powell. Seriously zero. Sacar walked over towards the ref away from Powell. He was still by the ref when Powell came charging in. He wasn't involved until after Mamu shoved Theo.

If they called a double T on Sacar and Nelson, I could have at least understood that a bit, but that isn't what they called. The refs literally made crap up.

[HutchwasClutch]

I've rewatched it. There was no interaction between Sacar and Powell. Seriously zero. Sacar walked over towards the ref away from Powell. He was still by the ref when Powell came charging in. He wasn't involved until after Mamu shoved Theo.

If they called a double T on Sacar and Nelson, I could have at least understood that a bit, but that isn't what they called. The refs literally made crap up.

Exactly correct.

[TJ]

I've rewatched it. There was no interaction between Sacar and Powell. Seriously zero. Sacar walked over towards the ref away from Powell. He was still by the ref when Powell came charging in. He wasn't involved until after Mamu shoved Theo.

If they called a double T on Sacar and Nelson, I could have at least understood that a bit, but that isn't what they called. The refs literally made crap up.

Thanks for the clarification. Refs were terrible. I’ve never disagreed with that. I still think Sacar is not blameless but if Sacar/Powell double T really was the call then it was another very bad call.

[wadesworld]

He walked up to and got right  in a SHU players face. He was the only MU player to do anything wrong in the situation and he is also the only one who should have been on alert to NOT do something like that as he was playing with 1 T already.

For all the things that the refs did wrong last night (there were many, including letting it escalate to this point), this was not one of them. Can you honestly say that a player with an earlier T in the game getting involved in a scrap should not get a second T there?

The problem is Sacar never did anything to Powell in the second scuffle. 14 (I think it was) barked at him and stepped to him, at which point Sacar stepped chest to chest with him. From what I saw 14 never got a T or anything. Just Sacar.

[ATL MU Warrior]

I just watched it again. There was ZERO talking between Sacar and Powell. Sacar was turning and walking away as Powell got up and charged into the group of players.

The refs completely fabricated the 2nd technical.

If they had called it for Sacar’s reaction to being shoved, I wouldn’t like it but I could at least understand it. 

What a display of utter incompetence. The Big East should be embarrassed. 

[wadesworld]

2nd guy gets the foul... sucks for us but such is life.

Not with instant replay.

[wadesworld]

You really need to go back and watch the whole thing because you're not even being accurate in your comments.  Anim was not even close to    the only MU player to respond!!  Bailey went after the goon who shoved Theo and had to be held back.

Yup. Loved that. Even with the refs stepping in between Bailey was going to let him know what a clown he is.

[TJ]

I’m out... you guys were right in that it was called totally wrong and the refs were utterly terrible. There was no reason to double T Powell/Sacar.

I do still think Sacar put himself in a bad situation and made it easier for the refs to make a bad call, but not as much any more and I do get that he got shoved so it’s tough to walk away.

[NickelDimer]

2nd guy gets the foul... sucks for us but such is life.

I’d say he handled it about as well as he could have after taking a malicious elbow to the chest. I would’ve been throwing hands. I actually give him credit for smiling and clapping like a champ

[Mr. Nielsen]

Hard to walk away when a Seton Hall player hits you in the chest, aina?

Like Bill Walton would say. Let me elbow you and see how you would react.

[HutchwasClutch]

Yup. Loved that. Even with the refs stepping in between Bailey was going to let him know what a clown he is.

I was already losing it over what a jerk that guy is when he was crying like a baby about Sam shoving him a little under the basket.  That was a couple minutes before all hell broke loose.  Guy is a clown.

[wadesworld]

I was already losing it over what a jerk that guy is when he was crying like a baby about Sam shoving him a little under the basket.  That was a couple minutes before all hell broke loose.  Guy is a clown.

Yup. That was absolutely hysterical. Sam was boxing him out and was giving up on the box out as the shot went in and Mamu got all sad and throw a hissyfit slap. Looked like a kindergartener.