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Title: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: wisblue on January 23, 2024, 02:11:06 PM
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/39371240/sources-bucks-firing-first-year-head-coach-adrian-griffin
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: WarriorFan on January 23, 2024, 02:14:37 PM
He was caught interviewing at DePaul.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: GB Warrior on January 23, 2024, 02:15:32 PM
Wojo2NBA
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: WhiteTrash on January 23, 2024, 02:24:37 PM
Harbaugh to the Bucks!
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: BrewCity83 on January 23, 2024, 02:27:10 PM
Doc would be great on the Bucks.  If no other reason than to connect the MU players to Giannis and the rest of the team.

That's gotta help recruiting, right?
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: MuggsyB on January 23, 2024, 02:28:38 PM
Doc would be great on the Bucks.  If no other reason than to connect the MU players to Giannis and the rest of the team.

That's gotta help recruiting, right?

I hadn't even thought about that.  It certainly can't hurt. 
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: StillAWarrior on January 23, 2024, 02:29:39 PM
I hear Tony Stubblefield is available.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: Scoop Snoop on January 23, 2024, 02:31:06 PM
Doc would be great on the Bucks.  If no other reason than to connect the MU players to Giannis and the rest of the team.

That's gotta help recruiting, right?

My first thought also.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: BM1090 on January 23, 2024, 02:39:05 PM
I'd be okay with Doc if it's a caretaker role for the rest of the year. Handing him a long term contract would be disappointing.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: Newsdreams on January 23, 2024, 02:54:32 PM
TC is available, 4ever would be happy
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on January 23, 2024, 03:00:06 PM
Doc wouldn't be coming in a caretaker role. Why would he do it?
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: BrewCity83 on January 23, 2024, 03:12:44 PM
Doc wouldn't be coming in a caretaker role. Why would he do it?

Unless he wants a quick ring.  Win now and/or next year, or it's next man up.  Doc's got a pretty good ESPN gig right now.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: BM1090 on January 23, 2024, 04:26:39 PM
Doc wouldn't be coming in a caretaker role. Why would he do it?

He wouldn't. I was just spitballing my thoughts.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 23, 2024, 04:37:46 PM
Why was Griffin hired in first place?  What a botched hiring process.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: wadesworld on January 23, 2024, 05:13:54 PM
Why was Griffin hired in first place?  What a botched hiring process.

Giannis wanted him.  Much like the Nets players wanted Steve Nash.  All Giannis cared about was "former NBA player."
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: Goose on January 23, 2024, 05:14:48 PM
Hard pass on Doc.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: DoctorV on January 23, 2024, 05:18:37 PM
Why was Griffin hired in first place?  What a botched hiring process.

Only thing worse than making a mistake in hiring a coach is waiting 3 years too long to admit it…

When the move was announced many people were scratching their heads.

The executives realized the mistake they made and are now trying to quickly correct the mistake, rightfully so for a title contending team.

Give Doc the keys, let him help you win an NBA title.
It would also be very good for Marquette if it works, as him and Shaka seem to have a good relationship.

I went to the Bucks v Sixers game last season, same night as Marquette celebrated a BE Championsip after beating St Johns, and Shaka showed up with his family sitting courtside as Docs special guests.
I couldn’t help but think that they would work great together in Milwaukee and I hope to see it happen
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 23, 2024, 05:29:00 PM
Hard pass on Doc.

Correct
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: DoctorV on January 23, 2024, 05:43:24 PM
Why you guys passin?
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on January 23, 2024, 05:50:23 PM
Why you guys passin?

He’s a great locker room guy but I’ve never been all that impressed with him tactically.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: brewcity77 on January 23, 2024, 06:04:44 PM
Bucks should hire the same person they should've hired in the search that landed Budenholzer. Becky Hammon spent 9 years on an NBA bench with Popovich and when she got passed over for NBA head coaching jobs, went to the WNBA and took the Las Vegas Aces to the best record in the league two straight years and won two WNBA Championships, posting a staggering 16-3 postseason record along the way.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 23, 2024, 06:14:05 PM
Are you kiddin'? #34, #0, et al have no respect for Griffin. What makes you think they'd respect Becky, hey?
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on January 23, 2024, 06:18:25 PM
Bucks should hire the same person they should've hired in the search that landed Budenholzer. Becky Hammon spent 9 years on an NBA bench with Popovich and when she got passed over for NBA head coaching jobs, went to the WNBA and took the Las Vegas Aces to the best record in the league two straight years and won two WNBA Championships, posting a staggering 16-3 postseason record along the way.

Saying they should have hired someone other than the coach who was on the bench when they won their first title in 50 years is something.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on January 23, 2024, 06:19:02 PM
Are you kiddin'? #34, #0, et al have no respect for Griffin. What makes you think they'd respect Becky, hey?

You’re just screaming for attention lately aren’t you.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 23, 2024, 06:29:20 PM
Are you kiddin'? #34, #0, et al have no respect for Griffin. What makes you think they'd respect Becky, hey?

I wonder if the shower leadership you admired and wrote a letter?
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: brewcity77 on January 23, 2024, 07:21:51 PM
Saying they should have hired someone other than the coach who was on the bench when they won their first title in 50 years is something.

And the guy they fired right after and were never happy with. Just because Bud did something they hadn't done in 50 years doesn't mean it was a better hire or that they wouldn't have better results.

Budenholzer had 4 years where he didn't win a title and lost to a lower seeded team in 3/4 years. If they had hired Hammon, it's entirely possible that drought isn't as long and the success is even greater. Just because NBA front offices are sexist and scared doesn't make Bud a better hire than Hammon would've been.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: oilcan on January 23, 2024, 07:24:24 PM
Obviously surprising to see the Bucks firing a coach they just hired to lead the team. What a dream job right? All that talent, you would think you or I could coach that team to a championship.  They have not been winning even against average teams. Ouch. Don’t panic but make a move while it’s still early. Who’s out there? Well it was a good move to call in Rivers to give advice to the management and the coach before they showed him the door.

If things don’t get turned around I’ll bet Damon Lillard is going to ask himself, “What did I do? I could be playing in South Beach with Jimmy Buckets.”

I imagine we’ll know in a few days if Doc Rivers is the next head coach. He’s got the experience and won a title with the Celtics in 2008. And lost to the Lakers in the finals in 2010. Otherwise he lost a billion times with good teams year after year. There’s got to be somebody better. BUT

I love him. Grew up in Chicago, played for Marquette when Al and Majerus were coaches. He always says good things about Marquette and Milwaukee. What if he could lead the team to back to the top of the eastern conference and push it even further?  I look forward to seeing that with Rivers or who ever the management decides what to do. Don’t panic, but the situation is dire.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: Lennys Tap on January 23, 2024, 07:29:02 PM
I wonder if the shower leadership you admired and wrote a letter?

Translation please
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 23, 2024, 07:36:19 PM
Its pig latin for "I've got gas pains," aina?
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 23, 2024, 07:49:44 PM
Translation please

I wonder if he showed leadership you admired by writing a letter
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 23, 2024, 08:07:51 PM
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Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on January 23, 2024, 08:40:12 PM
And the guy they fired right after and were never happy with. Just because Bud did something they hadn't done in 50 years doesn't mean it was a better hire or that they wouldn't have better results.

Budenholzer had 4 years where he didn't win a title and lost to a lower seeded team in 3/4 years. If they had hired Hammon, it's entirely possible that drought isn't as long and the success is even greater. Just because NBA front offices are sexist and scared doesn't make Bud a better hire than Hammon would've been.

Or, as long as we are talking hypotheticals here, it may have worked out worse. But again it’s pretty hard to argue with a championship.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: Lennys Tap on January 23, 2024, 08:58:43 PM
I wonder if he showed leadership you admired by writing a letter

Shoot. I was hoping it would be something original and/or funny. But thanks.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 23, 2024, 09:06:04 PM
Shoot. I was hoping it would be something original and/or funny. But thanks.

Crean sucks
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: HowardsWorld on January 23, 2024, 09:10:18 PM
It’s official Doc Rivers is the new head coach
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 23, 2024, 09:14:55 PM
Well, wouldn’t be my first choice but best of luck to Doc and here’s hoping it works
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: BM1090 on January 23, 2024, 09:17:10 PM
Clear upgrade but also nowhere near my first choice. Will be open minded about it though.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: HutchwasClutch on January 23, 2024, 09:53:39 PM
Clear upgrade but also nowhere near my first choice. Will be open minded about it though.

“Nowhere near” your top choice??  Then who are the plethora of great and available candidates they passed on? Name names please. 
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: HutchwasClutch on January 23, 2024, 10:00:45 PM
I’m fine with Doc. A lot of recent playoff disappointments but still a championship and another Finals loss.  For a team all in, this is as good as you’re going to do when you effed up so bad you had to make a change in January. 

He isn’t perfect and there certainly was no one out there who was either. You don’t win one championship and get to another being a fluke.  Here’s hoping championships 2 and 3 for him are right here in Brewtown.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: FairWeatherEagle on January 23, 2024, 10:04:51 PM
Rivers name is hanging from the rafters...worth something.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: HutchwasClutch on January 23, 2024, 10:07:53 PM
Rivers name is hanging from the rafters...worth something.

No it really means and is worth nothing whether he’s the guy to take the Bucks all the way.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: HutchwasClutch on January 23, 2024, 10:24:40 PM
Not so fast about Doc apparently.  I still would bet it will happen.  But not a done deal yet.

https://twitter.com/sportsreiter/status/1749996200903008368?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 23, 2024, 10:38:59 PM
Not so fast about Doc apparently.  I still would bet it will happen.  But not a done deal yet.

https://twitter.com/sportsreiter/status/1749996200903008368?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Mrs rivers doesn't want to move back to wisconsin and is telling him to back out
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: mug644 on January 23, 2024, 10:43:51 PM
Mrs rivers doesn't want to move back to wisconsin and is telling him to back out

Undone deal?
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 24, 2024, 03:45:31 AM
Mrs rivers doesn't want to move back to wisconsin and is telling him to back out



Knot certain der iz a Mrs. Rivers at dis point, hey?
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: BrewCity83 on January 24, 2024, 12:13:55 PM
ESPN is reporting a #donedeal:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/39378013/doc-rivers-finalizing-deal-bucks-coach-sources-say
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: GB Warrior on January 24, 2024, 12:55:20 PM
As someone in consulting, what Doc did is a masterclass. Consulted his way straight into the top spot.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: Goose on January 24, 2024, 01:02:24 PM
GB Warrior

No kidding. I thought the Bucks axing Griffin took some balls, but hiring Doc was a lazy choice. I am sure he planted and watered the seed while "consulting" the Bucks. 
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: JWags85 on January 24, 2024, 01:03:10 PM
Bucks should hire the same person they should've hired in the search that landed Budenholzer. Becky Hammon spent 9 years on an NBA bench with Popovich and when she got passed over for NBA head coaching jobs, went to the WNBA and took the Las Vegas Aces to the best record in the league two straight years and won two WNBA Championships, posting a staggering 16-3 postseason record along the way.

I'm not saying Hammon isn't a great basketball mind/coach, but using WNBA success as a harbinger of what she may have done in the NBA is reckless.  Not to mention, she inherited a STACKED roster with 3 consecutive #1 picks that had just finished second in the league.  It was like taking over the Warriors in 2016...except in a 12 team league that your talent advantage is even more noticeable.

She's done awesome in LV, but she took over a monster and kept them chugging forward as opposed to building something that was undeveloped that makes you go "whoa what a coaching job".
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 24, 2024, 01:04:18 PM
I'm hoping this is a trial through the end of the season thing. Picking the next HC just because he's available in the middle of the season isnt great.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: wadesworld on January 24, 2024, 01:06:05 PM
I'm hoping this is a trial through the end of the season thing. Picking the next HC just because he's available in the middle of the season isnt great.

There is zero chance of that.  Doc was getting paid very well by ESPN to live a much more stress free life not having to coach.  There's no way Doc is taking the Bucks job without a long term commitment from the Bucks.  I'd be shocked if it was any less than the rest of this season plus 3 more years on his contract.  And for a LOT of money.  Otherwise he has zero reason to leave being a color analyst for ESPN's NBA games.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 24, 2024, 01:08:47 PM
As someone in consulting, what Doc did is a masterclass. Consulted his way straight into the top spot.

Doc was great when Thibs was his assistant. Conversely, so was Thibs. Don't see a Thibs on this staff.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on January 24, 2024, 01:10:05 PM
GB Warrior

No kidding. I thought the Bucks axing Griffin took some balls, but hiring Doc was a lazy choice. I am sure he planted and watered the seed while "consulting" the Bucks. 

Not sure who you could have expected them to hire. Most good coaches are actually employed elsewhere at this time of the season.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: cheebs09 on January 24, 2024, 01:14:52 PM
Not sure who you could have expected them to hire. Most good coaches are actually employed elsewhere at this time of the season.

Plus, part of the reason Griffin might have been fired was not using the consulting Doc gave him. I think Griffin's ego was part of why Stotts left.

I'm not sure Van Gundy or Nate McMillan are any more attractive.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: The Lens on January 24, 2024, 01:19:19 PM
Right now Stotts, Kenny Atkinson or Bud would be choices for before Doc.

But this is why the summer was so screwed up bc they could have had Nurse or Vogel.

I think if they knew they were getting Dame they probably would have rolled with Bud. But a change needed to be made and at the time Bud was the easy change. They should have just brought him back now.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: The Lens on January 24, 2024, 01:22:51 PM
And I like the Becky idea.  She is smart as hell --- Dame, Giannis will respect someone who deserves / commands respect.  AG was over his skis from day one. The Stotts thing was the tell. 
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: cheebs09 on January 24, 2024, 01:24:12 PM
Right now Stotts, Kenny Atkinson or Bud would be choices for before Doc.

But this is why the summer was so screwed up bc they could have had Nurse or Vogel.

I think if they knew they were getting Dame they probably would have rolled with Bud. But a change needed to be made and at the time Bud was the easy change. They should have just brought him back now.

Bud still had his flaws. Even the championship year, many were counting the days to when he'd be fired, but then they turned around the Brooklyn series.

He's no doubt a better coach than Griffin. The real shame is Giannis nixing Nurse due to wanting a former player as a coach. I'm not sure if Nurse's reputation of wearing players thin caused that to.

I think if they knew they were getting Dame, they probably make a different hire. Griffin had solid credentials and was supposedly the DC of those Raptors teams. The HC job of a must win team seemed to be too much for him.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: GB Warrior on January 24, 2024, 01:31:14 PM
Forget what podcasts it was on, but someone described Doc as "single ply in March 2020". Better than wiping your ass with your hand but not all desirable all else being equal.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: The Lens on January 24, 2024, 01:34:09 PM
Bud still had his flaws. Even the championship year, many were counting the days to when he'd be fired, but then they turned around the Brooklyn series.

He's no doubt a better coach than Griffin. The real shame is Giannis nixing Nurse due to wanting a former player as a coach. I'm not sure if Nurse's reputation of wearing players thin caused that to.

I think if they knew they were getting Dame, they probably make a different hire. Griffin had solid credentials and was supposedly the DC of those Raptors teams. The HC job of a must win team seemed to be too much for him.

No doubt Bud had flaws but Dame + Giannis can probably cover up for them. Bud is still a very good coach, he may not be an elite coach but what he did in ATL and what he did following Kidd shows his value. 
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: cheebs09 on January 24, 2024, 01:43:52 PM
Forget what podcasts it was on, but someone described Doc as "single ply in March 2020". Better than wiping your ass with your hand but not all desirable all else being equal.

Pretty sure Griffin was a pine cone covered with poison oak. It sounds like things were pretty bad behind the scenes.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: Jockey on January 24, 2024, 01:52:18 PM
Plus, part of the reason Griffin might have been fired was not using the consulting Doc gave him. I think Griffin's ego was part of why Stotts left.

I'm not sure Van Gundy or Nate McMillan are any more attractive.

I think you're probably right. Griffin didn't want to take advice from Stotts, either.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 24, 2024, 01:53:27 PM
I will be pulling for Doc to win a title in Milwaukee and hope he has a plan to coach this group of players.  I hope his experience coaching the Sixers and against the C’s benefits this team.  Heck, coaching against the Bucks should have been helpful (granted, the makeup is different).

I don’t think he’s a very good coach for whatever reason, at least in the playoffs.  But maybe this is the right combo.  Hope it is and will be there supporting him and the Bucks
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: BM1090 on January 24, 2024, 01:57:54 PM
“Nowhere near” your top choice??  Then who are the plethora of great and available candidates they passed on? Name names please.

To clarify, at this point in the season, he's a choice that makes sense. There aren't any other candidates available right at this moment that I think would be a clear upgrade.

But I would have preferred they hire Nurse last offseason. Or just let Prunty run things this year and hire someone this coming offseason. But I understand why they didn't do that.

During last offseason or next offseason, Doc wouldn't even have been on my list. Not in my top 20 choices. But I hope he proves me wrong.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: Goose on January 24, 2024, 02:20:03 PM
BM1090

I am with you across the board.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: avid1010 on January 24, 2024, 02:47:48 PM
No doubt Bud had flaws but Dame + Giannis can probably cover up for them. Bud is still a very good coach, he may not be an elite coach but what he did in ATL and what he did following Kidd shows his value.
Bud in the playoffs last year was so bad he couldn't go on.  It was just awful.  Not sure if that was due to his personal circumstances or not...but I understood the move.  Griff was a bad hire meant to please Giannis.  That can get a GM in trouble...
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: Goose on January 24, 2024, 03:43:01 PM
Not that I really care, but why would they have needed to negotiate into the late evening, early morning? Not that Doc should be giving MKE any special favors, but I would have thought it would have been a pretty contract discussion. Doc probably took $100k+ consulting gig with the Bucks and turned it into a lottery ticket. Good for him.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: cheebs09 on January 24, 2024, 03:47:18 PM
I don't think he was getting pennies from ESPN. Also, this is probably his last coaching job, so he probably wants to cash in.

I'm guessing the negotiation was about years more than money anyways.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on January 24, 2024, 03:48:19 PM
Years and control over staff.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: GB Warrior on January 24, 2024, 04:21:58 PM
Total value is most important anyway. It's not like the Bucks can afford 3 ex coaches on payroll.

Thank God for Jimmy Haslam who has experience with this
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: StillAWarrior on January 24, 2024, 04:31:53 PM
Thank God for Jimmy Haslam...

As a Cleveland Browns fan, I think I can honestly say that I don't recall ever seeing those particular words grouped together in that way.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: GB Warrior on January 24, 2024, 05:14:13 PM
As a Cleveland Browns fan, I think I can honestly say that I don't recall ever seeing those particular words grouped together in that way.

Just need him to keep writing checks!
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: Goose on January 24, 2024, 05:32:29 PM
Sultan

I understand what Doc wants, but he really is not an elite coach and he is getting an elite job. I hope it works out for the Bucks and Doc, just somewhat skeptical on what he brings to the table.

Was he interviewed before they hired Griffin? I do not remember.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 24, 2024, 05:37:38 PM
#31 is in the catbird seat negotiating with da Bucks. Pretty much can name his price and terms. Bucks have a small window to get this right. In udder words that everyone here can understand, "Doc's got them by the short hairs", aina?
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: cheebs09 on January 24, 2024, 05:48:53 PM
Sultan

I understand what Doc wants, but he really is not an elite coach and he is getting an elite job. I hope it works out for the Bucks and Doc, just somewhat skeptical on what he brings to the table.

Was he interviewed before they hired Griffin? I do not remember.

I don't believe so. At least he didn't make the Final 3.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: Goose on January 24, 2024, 06:22:14 PM
Doc

I agree and shame on the Bucks, imo. He definitely was in the drivers seat and I am sure he drove the narrative.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 24, 2024, 06:51:07 PM
Bucks management are idiots to have turned over a championship caliber team to a rookie head coach simply because their star player wanted it that way. Not only didn't Horst want Griffin as head coach, but also, Stotts bailed on the imminent Titanic wreckage during the exhibition season. Red flags everywhere, aina?


#shutupanddribble
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 24, 2024, 06:52:51 PM
Bucks management are idiots to have turned over a championship caliber team to a rookie head coach simply because their star player wanted it that way. Not only didn't Horst want Griffin as head coach, but also, Stotts bailed on the imminent Titanic wreckage during the exhibition season. Red flags everywhere, aina?


#shutupanddribble

When they put up his statue, will you attend?
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 24, 2024, 07:06:25 PM
Nah, I wouldn't walk across the street to see any of these prima donnas, hey?
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 24, 2024, 07:10:15 PM
Nah, I wouldn't walk across the street to see any of these prima donnas, hey?

How much do you enjoy what Giannis has done for the community and how much he means to the city?
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: wadesworld on January 24, 2024, 07:12:52 PM
Imagine not embracing (worse yet, despising) the best Bucks generation in half a century. Led by a kid who grew up in poverty and making himself into one of the best players to ever play the game through entirely hard work of his own. And a second round pick that made himself into a multi time All Star.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 24, 2024, 07:17:16 PM
Imagine not embracing (worse yet, despising) the best Bucks generation in half a century. Led by a kid who grew up in poverty and making himself into one of the best players to ever play the game through entirely hard work of his own. And a second round pick that made himself into a multi time All Star.

To be fair, he hates Marquette basketball, the Packers and the Brewers, too.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 24, 2024, 07:22:08 PM
How much do you enjoy what Giannis has done for the community and how much he means to the city?



I think all that is great and I do enjoy and admire their talent. But, at the end of the day, they're entertainers. No different than actors and actresses or musical groups or solo artists. Their overall contribution to the betterment of society is minuscule at best, hey?
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 24, 2024, 07:24:41 PM


I think all that is great and I do enjoy and admire their talent. But, at the end of the day, they're entertainers. No different than actors and actresses or musical groups or solo artists. Their overall contribution to the betterment of society is minuscule at best, hey?

Huh
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: The Lens on January 24, 2024, 07:25:53 PM
Imagine not embracing (worse yet, despising) the best Bucks generation in half a century. Led by a kid who grew up in poverty and making himself into one of the best players to ever play the game through entirely hard work of his own. And a second round pick that made himself into a multi time All Star.

Led by a kid who not just grew up in incredible poverty but someone who’s life and liberty was at risk every single day because of far right racists like the Golden Dawn.  He battled a system that wouldn’t permit his parents to succeed and didn’t know if he’d have a home to return home to whenever he left. 

The amount of hate and challlenge he encountered in his life might be unrivaled by ANY NBA player past or present.   

And now, the highest performing employee wants a say in their manager? 

Shut up and dribble?   

Give me a f’n break.  He’s earned every right to have input or even veto power.   You live with his mistakes bc his upside is making your franchise worth billions. 

Lesson learned so you move on.

But shut up and dribble. 

That’s f’n disgusting and honestly something that I thought everyone on this board would be above. 

Just sad.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 24, 2024, 07:26:29 PM
To be fair, he hates Marquette basketball, the Packers and the Brewers, too.



Nah, I see it for what it is...pure entertainment. Does that have a value? Sure, more for some, less for others. BTW, I don't think grouping college athletics with professional athletics is an apple to apple comparison, hey?
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: wadesworld on January 24, 2024, 07:33:21 PM
Led by a kid who not just grew up in incredible poverty but someone who’s life and liberty was at risk every single day because of far right racists like the Golden Dawn.  He battled a system that wouldn’t permit his parents to succeed and didn’t know if he’d have a home to return home to whenever he left. 

The amount of hate and challlenge he encountered in his life might be unrivaled by ANY NBA player past or present.   

And now, the highest performing employee wants a say in their manager? 

Shut up and dribble?   

Give me a f’n break.  He’s earned every right to have input or even veto power.   You live with his mistakes bc his upside is making your franchise worth billions. 

Lesson learned so you move on.

But shut up and dribble. 

That’s f’n disgusting and honestly something that I thought everyone on this board would be above. 

Just sad.

Yup. Giannis could burn the Fiserv Forum down and piss on its ashes on his way to the Celtics for all I care and he’d forever be a Milwaukee legend.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: wadesworld on January 24, 2024, 07:35:47 PM


I think all that is great and I do enjoy and admire their talent. But, at the end of the day, they're entertainers. No different than actors and actresses or musical groups or solo artists. Their overall contribution to the betterment of society is minuscule at best, hey?

Giannis brought Milwaukee together unlike any human being has in my lifetime.

And the Charles Antetokounmpo Family Foundation gives more to people in need than you’ve made in your lifetime.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: The Lens on January 24, 2024, 08:05:54 PM
I’ve been around Wisconsin pro athletes and their charity endeavors my entire life and professionally most of my career.  What Giannis and his fiancée have done in front of the camera and more so behind the scenes is on par with any Wisconsin athlete, ever.

And to Wade’s point, in the summer of 2021 every Milwaukee was rowing in the same direction and riding a high this town hadn’t seen since 1982.  That has to count for something. 

And to date his biggest off court crime is been the promotion of unhealthy fast food via viral Chick Fil A drive thru video
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 24, 2024, 09:28:19 PM
To be fair, he hates Marquette basketball, the Packers and the Brewers, too.
He gets everything he needs from the Wave and Admirals
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: GB Warrior on January 24, 2024, 09:36:45 PM
He gets everything he needs from the Wave and Admirals

Sounds about white
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: cheebs09 on January 24, 2024, 10:05:21 PM
He gets everything he needs from the Wave and Admirals

I'm thinking more along the lines of the Chinooks.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: rocket surgeon on January 25, 2024, 06:30:34 AM
  4ever’s got a high bar!  Those are the people ya want on your team and/ or fingers in your mouth😉
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 25, 2024, 06:50:29 AM
  4ever’s got a high bar!  Those are the people ya want on your team and/ or fingers in your mouth😉

.5 out of 10
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: wadesworld on January 25, 2024, 10:03:43 AM
I'm thinking more along the lines of the Chinooks.

Yeah.  Can't leave the boarders of Mequon.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: JWags85 on January 25, 2024, 10:13:42 AM
I don't agree with people who hate on the NBA or its "divas", but I at least see where they are coming from with some of it.  Players who have been coddled since they were star AAU prospects in their early teens till now.

That being said, lumping Giannis in with that cabal is absolutely INSANE.  As mentioned, he came from circumstances that made even the hard scrabble backgrounds of some of the NBA players look like a breeze.  Someone who wasn't even embraced by his home country until he was an absolute star yet still had tons of pride.  One of the most personable, genuine, and self effacing stars the NBA has ever seen.  Never been in trouble, never trashed Milwaukee, the worst thing he ever did was losing his temper against the Bulls and committing a dirty flagrant almost a decade ago.

Not to mention he turned down HUGE money and opportunity to go to basically any flashy organization or city he wanted to stay with the Bucks.  And backed up everything with the results.  He's earned the right to have input into the future of the organization.  Players who have accomplished far less and complained far more have done much worse to influence decision making.

There is no surer sign of not being an actual fan of the Bucks and the organization than hating on Giannis.  He literally saved the organization and its future in Milwaukee to a fairly large extent.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 25, 2024, 10:31:23 AM
I don't agree with people who hate on the NBA or its "divas", but I at least see where they are coming from with some of it.  Players who have been coddled since they were star AAU prospects in their early teens till now.

That being said, lumping Giannis in with that cabal is absolutely INSANE.  As mentioned, he came from circumstances that made even the hard scrabble backgrounds of some of the NBA players look like a breeze.  Someone who wasn't even embraced by his home country until he was an absolute star yet still had tons of pride.  One of the most personable, genuine, and self effacing stars the NBA has ever seen.  Never been in trouble, never trashed Milwaukee, the worst thing he ever did was losing his temper against the Bulls and committing a dirty flagrant almost a decade ago.

Not to mention he turned down HUGE money and opportunity to go to basically any flashy organization or city he wanted to stay with the Bucks.  And backed up everything with the results.  He's earned the right to have input into the future of the organization.  Players who have accomplished far less and complained far more have done much worse to influence decision making.

There is no surer sign of not being an actual fan of the Bucks and the organization than hating on Giannis.  He literally saved the organization and its future in Milwaukee to a fairly large extent.

Well, that’s the problem, he helped save the NBA in Milwaukee.  Some people just want Milwaukee to fail
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: StillAWarrior on January 25, 2024, 11:20:49 AM
How much do you enjoy what Giannis has done for the community and how much he means to the city?

Tangentially related...that mural of Giannis on Wisconsin is absolutely fantastic. Honestly, one of the best murals I've seen.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: wadesworld on January 25, 2024, 11:36:23 AM
May or may not have convinced the wife to take a few photos there on our wedding day...
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: wadesworld on January 25, 2024, 12:00:55 PM
Doc getting $40MM for this year plus the next 3 seasons is great for him.  Makes him the 4th highest paid NBA coach by AAV.

He'll be coaching the Bucks for the entirety of Dame's title window.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: JWags85 on January 25, 2024, 12:40:41 PM
I don't have a ton of faith given his tenure in Philly and how middling he's been for the last decade since he left Boston, but that being said, potential for incredible storylines shaping up.  Best stars he's had since the Big 3 in Boston (Giannis & Dame>>>>Embiid and Harden or Blake and CP3), chance to contend for one more title with a powerhouse team and potentially redeem his legacy and be able to do it in his old college grounds/the arena where his alma mater plays.  Obviously winning a title is more important than anything else, but the casual intrigue and story is far more interesting than any of the other options they may have gotten on short notice.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on January 25, 2024, 12:43:01 PM
I don't have a ton of faith given his tenure in Philly and how middling he's been for the last decade since he left Boston, but that being said, potential for incredible storylines shaping up.  Best stars he's had since the Big 3 in Boston (Giannis & Dame>>>>Embiid and Harden or Blake and CP3), chance to contend for one more title with a powerhouse team and potentially redeem his legacy and be able to do it in his old college grounds/the arena where his alma mater plays.  Obviously winning a title is more important than anything else, but the casual intrigue and story is far more interesting than any of the other options they may have gotten on short notice.

And his number is hanging from the rafters.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: wadesworld on January 25, 2024, 01:35:07 PM
Maybe he'll match Wade's donation.  Doc Wade Court.  Flows right off the tongue.
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 25, 2024, 01:52:20 PM
Maybe he'll match Wade's donation.  Doc Wade Court.  Flows right off the tongue.

Maybe he'll buy back the medical school. I can see it now: "Doc's doctors"
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 25, 2024, 06:46:58 PM
Maybe he'll resurrect the dental school.... Doc's Dentures, aina?
Title: Re: Bucks Fire Griffin. Rivers Possible Replcement
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 25, 2024, 10:26:29 PM
Maybe he'll resurrect the dental school.... Doc's Dentures, aina?

Don't think he'd fit in with you dental types.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nba/news/doc-rivers-we-keep-loving-this-country-and-this-country-does-not-love-us-back