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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on May 07, 2024, 04:07:07 PM
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https://today.marquette.edu/2024/05/vice-president-and-director-of-athletics-bill-scholl-to-retire/
As soon as a successor is named.
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Shaka gowne, aina?
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I vote 4ever.
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Tom Crean for MU AD!
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Bill Scholl did a great job. He’d be held in high esteem just for seeing Wojo’s limitations as a coach and canning him. He moved even higher by hiring Shaka. It’s been a rebirth of MU hoops. Thanks, Bill!
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Broeker finally moves up to the big chair?
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Let Shaka hand pick who he wants. That relationship is all that matters.
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Let Shaka hand pick who he wants. That relationship is all that matters.
Yes and no. This is an important hire. The ever-changing landscape demands someone that can navigate it. It is not business as usual.
The relationship with Shaka will be paramount, but it can’t be the only factor.
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Let Shaka hand pick who he wants. That relationship is all that matters.
I agree with this analysis
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The admin seems in a solid place to make a good hire here. No doubt Shaka's enthusiastic support must be a prerequisite for any hire.
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Bill Scholl did a great job. He’d be held in high esteem just for seeing Wojo’s limitations as a coach and canning him. He moved even higher by hiring Shaka. It’s been a rebirth of MU hoops. Thanks, Bill!
…but, didn’t Scholl hire Wojo? And if not, why did it take him (Scholl) so long to make the move on Woj?
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…but, didn’t Scholl hire Wojo? And if not, why did it take him (Scholl) so long to make the move on Woj?
I thought Cords hired Wojo. Lovell was hired quickly and then Scholl hired later on.
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No to Broeker. I'd call Craig Pintens. An alum, from the area, AD experience, and a great guy.
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I thought Cords hired Wojo. Lovell was hired quickly and then Scholl hired later on.
Yep.
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Anyone not named Tom Crean. Thanks.
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Pintens of course is a natural candidate. Shawn Eichorst, Deputy AD at Texas and former AD at Nebraska and Miami, is another. Like Pintens, he is from Wisconsin and a MU Law School alum.
But I will be shocked if its not Broeker.
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…but, didn’t Scholl hire Wojo? And if not, why did it take him (Scholl) so long to make the move on Woj?
Wojo’s 3 best seasons were 3, 4, and 5. When should Scholl have made the move? Some (mistaken) MU fans thought it was too soon when he did fire Wojo.
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Bill did a wonderful job as AD, overseeing a tremendous growth period for the athletic department as a whole. Olympic sports seemed to really improve with facilities and resources in the past ten years. Among other things, he will likely most be remembered for hiring Shaka.
Hope he enjoys retirement.
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Pintens of course is a natural candidate. Shawn Eichorst, Deputy AD at Texas and former AD at Nebraska and Miami, is another. Like Pintens, he is from Wisconsin and a MU Law School alum.
But I will be shocked if its not Broeker.
Hard no on Eichorst
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Hard no on Eichorst
I tend to agree.
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Wojo’s 3 best seasons were 3, 4, and 5. When should Scholl have made the move? Some (mistaken) MU fans thought it was too soon when he did fire Wojo.
…true. I was good with yrs 1-4. Grew impatient with yr 5. Hindsight 20/20 make the move after yr 5. Trend was clear. Wojo is a good guy…wished it had worked. Glad Scholl did, at least, make the break.
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Scholl was a true gentleman. He had Excellent vision at a time MU needed it the most. Guys like him don’t grow on trees.
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No to Broeker. I'd call Craig Pintens. An alum, from the area, AD experience, and a great guy.
Pintens hasn’t shown enough at LMU to make the move to MU. Basketball under Stab is mediocre, and they’re cutting sports.
Brian Hardin, Scholl’s protege and former MU student- athlete, now AD at Drake, would be my pick if Broeker doesn’t get it.
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Anyone not named Tom Crean. Thanks.
He could do for Marquette basketball what he did for Georgia! And he LIKES us. That’s the all important thing around here.
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He could do for Marquette basketball what he did for Georgia! And he LIKES us. That’s the all important thing around here.
When was he AD at Georgia?
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When was he AD at Georgia?
Why shouldn’t a guy who’s a miserable failure at coaching get promoted to AD? He likes us, and one of his players is now an NBA star!
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All the sarcasm is amazing. Everyone should pay themselves on the back. Well done everyone.
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Hire Craig Pintens!
Broeker is good too.
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Not sure if he's the right guy, but Drake AD Brian Hardin should be in the mix as well. He was a deputy under Scholl.
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Hire Craig Pintens!
Broeker is good too.
Why? So we can cut sports and be mediocre at hoops?
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Scholl no longer as sharp as he once was. Broeker is next man up.
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Why? So we can cut sports and be mediocre at hoops?
Hank Gathers and Bo Kimble haven’t walked that campus for almost 40 years. Mediocre is very good for LMU.
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I don’t really care about prior ties to MU. Just get someone who can hire good coaches. Was the Stan Johnson hire at LMU a great hire?
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Why shouldn’t a guy who’s a miserable failure at coaching get promoted to AD? He likes us, and one of his players is now an NBA star!
Oh. Interesting.
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Hank Gathers and Bo Kimble haven’t walked that campus for almost 40 years. Mediocre is very good for LMU.
and yet not good enough for MU. How did the last MU AD choice from a WCC school work out?
Hardin, however, has an actual track record of success as an AD at Drake (especially in hoops), has gotten facilities built and improved, and has made some excellent hires.
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For those saying no Broeker, what’s the beef? He seems like the logical choice
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and yet not good enough for MU. How did the last MU AD choice from a WCC school work out?
Hardin, however, has an actual track record of success as an AD at Drake (especially in hoops), has gotten facilities built and improved, and has made some excellent hires.
Thanks for bringing up that memory and ruining my day. >:(
I still remember a colleague who was a Board member of Portland U telling me "good luck with Williams"; they were not upset to see him leave.
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and yet not good enough for MU. How did the last MU AD choice from a WCC school work out?
Well we went from starting down the barrel of playing the likes of Tulane and ECU twice a season to playing in the best basketball only and top 3 basketball conference in the country. So pretty well.
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For those saying no Broeker, what’s the beef? He seems like the logical choice
I am curious as well to hear why no Broeker as well. Jim McIlvaine backs Broeker: https://twitter.com/JimMcIlvaine/status/1788185731292164581
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Well we went from starting down the barrel of playing the likes of Tulane and ECU twice a season to playing in the best basketball only and top 3 basketball conference in the country. So pretty well.
Larry gave himself a LOT more credit for that than he deserved.
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For those saying no Broeker, what’s the beef? He seems like the logical choice
Maybe folks are salty we haven't had throwback jerseys yet.
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Well we went from starting down the barrel of playing the likes of Tulane and ECU twice a season to playing in the best basketball only and top 3 basketball conference in the country. So pretty well.
There is a reason Larry only lasted one year at MU and that one year was far and away the high point of his non-football career.
From what I heard from his time at Portland, he was an uninspiring A-hole. Maybe smart as hell, but not leadership material. His resume proves the people at Portland were not wrong.
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Larry gave himself a LOT more credit for that than he deserved.
I've never heard Larry give himself credit. I've heard many others (including people from outside MU) credit him as one of the two main driving forces behind the Catholic 7.
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Larry was at Marquette for nearly two years.
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Larry was at Marquette for nearly two years.
I was going off his own LinkedIn page, which has 1 year at MU. Whatever it was, it was too long.
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Why? So we can cut sports and be mediocre at hoops?
(This isn’t a comment about Pintens candidacy at MU)
https://marquettewire.org/4091937/sports/marquette-tennis-and-track-field-teams-moving-to-non-scholarship-programs-in-2025-26/
After the cuts, LMU will sponsor 14 sports. After the cuts, MU will sponsor 10 sports.
As for LMU, in the past 5 years they have won 10 WCC titles. Over half a dozen of their teams have made the NCAA Tourney at least once in that time.
MU needs to be comparing its budgets to the Big East schools. LMU needs to be comparing its budgets to WCC schools.
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I am curious as well to hear why no Broeker as well. Jim McIlvaine backs Broeker: https://twitter.com/JimMcIlvaine/status/1788185731292164581
I have no problem with Broeker, as long as he ignores the advice of those supporters who wanted to keep Wojo, thought Wojo's staff was the best since Al's, or floated Stan Johnson as a candidate for HC.
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From the outside perspective it deserves to be Broeker.
He and Shaka seem to have a good relationship, based on the effusive and unprompted praise they have heaped on each other over the last few years.
If that relationship is your top priority for an AD then it fits.
Obviously, things behind closed doors can be different than appearances, but I think they have mutual respect.
Plus, this seems to be a good time for continuity. Why hit the AD "portal" when you can take care of your own?
Broeker to AD and Kuykendall to Deputy.
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This may be from a few years ago, but wasn't Broeker a finalist for St. John's AD (before it went to Cragg)?
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I wonder how long the athletic department has known about his retirement plans. I wonder if Shaka knew when he turned down interviews with Kentucky, Louisville, and Michigan. If so, that’s a great sign. Also, it might mean it’s Broeker’s job to lose
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I wonder how long the athletic department has known about his retirement plans. I wonder if Shaka knew when he turned down interviews with Kentucky, Louisville, and Michigan. If so, that’s a great sign. Also, it might mean it’s Broeker’s job to lose
100% yes he knew at that time.
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This may be from a few years ago, but wasn't Broeker a finalist for St. John's AD (before it went to Cragg)?
That was the rumor
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Mike deserves the job if he wants it.
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Mike deserves the job if he wants it.
Novak and Jerel endorsed him via Twitter today
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Bill did a wonderful job as AD, overseeing a tremendous growth period for the athletic department as a whole. Olympic sports seemed to really improve with facilities and resources in the past ten years. Among other things, he will likely most be remembered for hiring Shaka.
Hope he enjoys retirement.
Please tell the men's and women's track and cross country teams, as well as the men's and women's tennis teams how good Scholl was for Olympic sports when they have had their scholarships taken away and yet are still expected to compete at an NCAA division 1 and Big East level. Also, the tennis courts are going down from 6 to 4 at Helfaer despite huge disagreements regarding that decision. Lastly, the track teams, which have been around for 100 years and feature Olympians, world record holders, NCAA champions and many, many conference team and individual titles, still do not have an indoor track facility to practice on or host meets. I was told in the early 80's that an indoor track would be coming soon!! Over 40 years later and still nothing, although it has been talked about in recent years and a few times it actually looked like it was going to happen, but of course, it never did.
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Please tell the men's and women's track and cross country teams, as well as the men's and women's tennis teams how good Scholl was for Olympic sports when they have had their scholarships taken away and yet are still expected to compete at an NCAA division 1 and Big East level. Also, the tennis courts are going down from 6 to 4 at Helfaer despite huge disagreements regarding that decision. Lastly, the track teams, which have been around for 100 years and feature Olympians, world record holders, NCAA champions and many, many conference team and individual titles, still do not have an indoor track facility to practice on or host meets. I was told in the early 80's that an indoor track would be coming soon!! Over 40 years later and still nothing, although it has been talked about in recent years and a few times it actually looked like it was going to happen, but of course, it never did.
It is a shame. Never like to hear the athletic department is not thriving enough to keep these scholarships. Any others on the future chopping block?
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It is a shame. Never like to hear the athletic department is not thriving enough to keep these scholarships. Any others on the future chopping block?
I do not believe any other sports are having scholarships taken away. Basically what happened is that the athletic department decided that Lacrosse was more important to Marquette than track/cross country/tennis, despite those sports having a long history of amazing athletes and teams and some very wealthy donors. So many people don't know that one of our most famous and wealthy Marquette alumni, Marcus Lemonis, was a track athlete and he has been very generous to Marquette over the years. Marquette track and cross country is a bit unique in collegiate sports in that they count for three sports for men and three for women, with a Big East and national championship each year for cross country, indoor track and outdoor track. So 8 of our Big East sports, when you include men's and women's tennis, had their scholarships taken away, while recently added sports like Lacrosse continue to keep their scholarships. And in no way am I saying Lacrosse should also lose their scholarships. If you want to be a Division I school, you need to fund your programs as such and have all of your teams be given the tools to be a successful at the division I and Big east level.
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I do not believe any other sports are having scholarships taken away. Basically what happened is that the athletic department decided that Lacrosse was more important to Marquette than track/cross country/tennis, despite those sports having a long history of amazing athletes and teams and some very wealthy donors. So many people don't know that one of our most famous and wealthy Marquette alumni, Marcus Lemonis, was a track athlete and he has been very generous to Marquette over the years. Marquette track and cross country is a bit unique in collegiate sports in that they count for three sports for men and three for women, with a Big East and national championship each year for cross country, indoor track and outdoor track. So 8 of our Big East sports, when you include men's and women's tennis, had their scholarships taken away, while recently added sports like Lacrosse continue to keep their scholarships. And in no way am I saying Lacrosse should also lose their scholarships. If you want to be a Division I school, you need to fund your programs as such and have all of your teams be given the tools to be a successful at the division I and Big east level.
Could a big push of these former wealthy alumni endow some of these scholarships?
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Could a big push of these former wealthy alumni endow some of these scholarships?
Someone did for tennis
https://www.marquette.edu/news-center/2023/alumnus-gives-1-million-to-establish-endowed-tennis-scholarships.php
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Query, as I don’t know- is it possible to make a donation, small as it might be, directly to those impacted programs? Much as we all here love the bball team, those students deserve support as well.
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Someone did for tennis
https://www.marquette.edu/news-center/2023/alumnus-gives-1-million-to-establish-endowed-tennis-scholarships.php
That is awesome that a former tennis player donated that much money for endowed scholarships. It looks like that is certainly one way a wealthy donor can help these teams, by creating an endowed scholarship (s). I believe the track team has one endowed scholarship on the books, which does not go a long way for a team with 30-40 athletes. I am sure there will be some wealthy track and cross country alumni that will be willing to donate (unfortunately I am not in a position to do so), but there is also some anger out there that Marquette is not supporting its entire athletic department and is picking and choosing which teams are a priority.
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Someone did for tennis
https://www.marquette.edu/news-center/2023/alumnus-gives-1-million-to-establish-endowed-tennis-scholarships.php
That’s cool. Any idea what that means for the team and athletic aid? Combined the two teams can get up to 12.5 scholarships, which would be around $850,000 (before other forms of aid) to cover that equivalency.
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Someone did for tennis
https://www.marquette.edu/news-center/2023/alumnus-gives-1-million-to-establish-endowed-tennis-scholarships.php
That doesn’t look like it’s for scholarships. Just the program overall.
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Someone did for tennis
https://www.marquette.edu/news-center/2023/alumnus-gives-1-million-to-establish-endowed-tennis-scholarships.php
Good to know. High level athletes add to the university as a whole.
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Query, as I don’t know- is it possible to make a donation, small as it might be, directly to those impacted programs? Much as we all here love the bball team, those students deserve support as well.
Yes, my guess is that you can donate toward any of the athletic teams. However it would likely support the operations of the team and not the financial aid for the students.
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Yes, my guess is that you can donate toward any of the athletic teams. However it would likely support the operations of the team and not the financial aid for the students.
as a part of Give Marquette Day, there were a few options to donate to specific teams for things like travel and operations. There are a number of endowed scholarships for athletes that supplement the institutional athletics aid given to athletes as well.
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as a part of Give Marquette Day, there were a few options to donate to specific teams for things like travel and operations. There are a number of endowed scholarships for athletes that supplement the institutional athletics aid given to athletes as well.
Right. But I don't think those are for specific sports, unless I am mis-remembering.
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If the University already has a short list, it's a shame they have to go through the dog and pony show of hiring a search firm to demonstrate that they have done their due diligence.
It's a six-figure waste of money.
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If the University already has a short list, it's a shame they have to go through the dog and pony show of hiring a search firm to demonstrate that they have done their due diligence.
It's a six-figure waste of money.
University policy may require it for VP level positions. A lot of schools have such policies to make sure that it is as competitive a search as possible.
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I vote 4ever.
Thanks for da support kin, but da gig duzant pay 'nough ta hang in The Quon, hey?
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Right. But I don't think those are for specific sports, unless I am mis-remembering.
there were options for specific sports and their "excellence" funds. My wife and I gave to the Volleyball Travel Fund and received a nice thank you note from Natalie Ring. They are such a fun team to watch and wanted to show our support for them.
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there were options for specific sports and their "excellence" funds. My wife and I gave to the Volleyball Travel Fund and received a nice thank you note from Natalie Ring. They are such a fun team to watch and wanted to show our support for them.
I'm not explaining myself well..
There were sport specific "excellence funds," but any financial aid for athletes couldn't be directed to a specific sport.
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I'm not explaining myself well..
There were sport specific "excellence funds," but any financial aid for athletes couldn't be directed to a specific sport.
Gotcha. I probably created confusion when I mentioned endowed scholarships along with the Excellence Funds. My bad. What is concerning to me is a high-level department like MU is out there fundraising so one of our elite teams has enough money to travel but this may be the new reality of college sports (all money goes to the revenue sports), especially if SAs are deemed employees.
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If the University already has a short list, it's a shame they have to go through the dog and pony show of hiring a search firm to demonstrate that they have done their due diligence.
It's a six-figure waste of money.
My guess is Bill Scholl has someone he knows and has worked with waiting in the wings. I trust his judgement on who would be the right guy/gal for the job.
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My guess is Bill Scholl has someone he knows and has worked with waiting in the wings. I trust his judgement on who would be the right guy/gal for the job.
If that is the case (I think you are on the right path, Herman) my guess is the early finalists are Broeker and Josetti internally, Hardin (Drake), and maybe Pintens externally (though I don't think Pintens ever worked with Scholl).
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If that is the case (I think you are on the right path, Herman) my guess is the early finalists are Broeker and Josetti internally, Hardin (Drake), and maybe Pintens externally (though I don't think Pintens ever worked with Scholl).
Pintens hasn’t been at Marquette for a couple decades now.
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Here’s the timeline. Seems like a waste of time and money if it is going to be Broeker or Josetti. Hell, seems like a waste of money to use these firms in general
https://today.marquette.edu/2024/05/timeline-announced-for-vice-president-and-director-of-athletics-search/
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Here’s the timeline. Seems like a waste of time and money if it is going to be Broeker or Josetti. Hell, seems like a waste of money to use these firms in general
https://today.marquette.edu/2024/05/timeline-announced-for-vice-president-and-director-of-athletics-search/
It might be an internal hire. It might not be. Any time a leadership role of this magnitude on a college campus becomes open, it is in the school's best interest to open the position up, use a firm to help identify interested candidates and ultimately select the best candidate for the job.
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As someone who has hired through search firms, and applied through search firms, they are a huge time saver for the school and gives applicants an extra measure of confidentiality. It also allows a candidate to have a more in depth conversation about the position with someone not employed by the school.
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And may be required by the school for vice president positions and above.
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If the University already has a short list, it's a shame they have to go through the dog and pony show of hiring a search firm to demonstrate that they have done their due diligence.
It's a six-figure waste of money.
as I picked up on this topic and scrolled down(for a change) this was exactly what was going thru my mind as well.
remind them that craigslist is free...$25 for healthcare ;)
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Men's lax coach a couple of weeks ago and now men's / women's track and xc coach out.
Is Bill trying to do some housecleaning ahead of the new AD?
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Men's lax coach a couple of weeks ago and now men's / women's track and xc coach out.
Is Bill trying to do some housecleaning ahead of the new AD?
The new LAX coach is a MU grad and looks to be an excellent hire. Track is entering a new era of having no scholarships, possibly leading to his decision to step down.
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The new LAX coach is a MU grad and looks to be an excellent hire.
Does it? It looks like a program trying to hire someone on the cheap.
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Does it? It looks like a program trying to hire someone on the cheap.
Do you follow lax whatsoever or are you talking out of your ass?
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Do you follow lax whatsoever or are you talking out of your ass?
Why can't it be both?
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Do you follow lax whatsoever or are you talking out of your ass?
I asked a question because hiring a 30 year old assistant coach from the same program where the head coach was fired doesn’t seem like an “excellent hire.”
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As someone who has hired through search firms, and applied through search firms, they are a huge time saver for the school and gives applicants an extra measure of confidentiality. It also allows a candidate to have a more in depth conversation about the position with someone not employed by the school.
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I am not sure what additional insight one would get by having an in-depth conversation with someone not employed by the school -- especially if that person is being paid by the school and the person is hiring for that one specific position. If it is a recruiter who is marketing you to a number of institutions and is trying to find the best fit for you personally, that might be a different story.
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Sorry you don’t have my experience.
Or understand how to quote correctly.
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Sorry you don’t have my experience.
Or understand how to quote correctly.
I would say you're better than that, but, well...
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I would say you're better than that, but, well...
Oh well.
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Marquette used a search firm (the same firm) for its recent Men’s Soccer, Women’s Soccer, Women’s Basketball Coaching hires.
The Women’s Soccer team has yet to hire an Associate Head Coach/Top assistant coach after 4 months. They have hired a 2nd and 3rd assistant, one of which was very recent. (Typically more competitive programs have a HC, 3 assistants, and a soccer experienced ops director.
It’s often said that some AD’s have a short list of 3 to 5 HC candidates for every sport at all times, regularly updated.
Budget and compensation have been factors in MU’’s HC hires, as well as staff hires.
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Sorry you don’t have my experience.
Or understand how to quote correctly.
Wow. You and I have both been on this board a long time, and I don't remember you being as mean-spirited as you have been recently.
If you are going through something, I hope for your own sake you are able to work through it soon.
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Wow. You and I have both been on this board a long time, and I don't remember you being as mean-spirited as you have been recently.
If you are going through something, I hope for your own sake you are able to work through it soon.
Lil guy needs a hug. Hope he finds some help too.
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Sorry you don’t have my experience.
Or understand how to quote correctly.
It's okay to be nice sometimes, pal. Pretty unnecessary.
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Wow. You and I have both been on this board a long time, and I don't remember you being as mean-spirited as you have been recently.
If you are going through something, I hope for your own sake you are able to work through it soon.
I’m fine. Glad you learned how to quote correctly.
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I’m fine. Glad you learned how to quote correctly.
www.betterhelp.com (http://www.betterhelp.com) is a great resource. Hope you find that help ya need
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classic stone cold Sally...he knows everything, just axk him :-*