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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on November 13, 2019, 10:41:35 PM
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1. Never a doubt
2. Bring on Wisconsin
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Love it.
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So...we are a defensive team now. I love it. Think about Jayce in this system.
Hard fought. Great win
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Remember a couple years ago when we had to play zone cuz no one could guard anybody?
Oh My, how things have changed.
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You were too quick for me, Jake.
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And if MU coulda rebounded anything in the first half the defensive performance would have looked even better.
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Guards with size matter. Greg would have made a difference last year. And he will certainly make a difference this year. The sky isn't falling.
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Remember a couple years ago when we had to play zone cuz no one could guard anybody?
Oh My, how things have changed.
Crazy part is: I only think this team is in the early stages of finding its defensive legs. Team was really hesitant on O in the first half. Good to see that they started to trust.
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Just thinking about the Murray St game last year vs tonight.
Its pretty obvious which guys wanted be here and compete for Marquette...Addition by Subtraction
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Wasn’t pretty. Kobe the difference in the 2nd half. Piss poor rebounding performance in the 1st.
Take the win, and move on.
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A rather cryptic Tower "thought" post.
Have to admit, watched the first half at a friend's, if I had been at home I wanted to post a couple of minutes before halftime that "Koby is not the answer."
Suffice to say, I'm glad I didn't. Nice debut by KM.
Saw a post praising the D in the 2nd half, and appropriately so, but it seemed to me that in the second we also penetrated more and I think that helped.
Great comeback win - I hope it gives the guys confidence and spurs them on. Wisky next.
Another item - did Wojo make adjustments at the half? Ah, musta been the assistants.
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Think about Jayce in this system.
Not sure I want Theo off the floor too much though
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McEwen played a great game but was surprised how much he had the ball. Figured he’d be the off guard. Markus seemed to disappear a bit without the ball.
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1. Never a doubt
2. Bring on Wisconsin
Succinct and on point. Well done.
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17 pts. in a half is pretty good D, no?
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Love it.
unnatural carnal knowledgein love it!
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i liked the low TO total too
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Loved the way wojo rested Howard throughout the game and trusted the other players to perform. Howard looked fresh as a daisy at the end because of it.
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Loved the way wojo rested Howard throughout the game and trusted the other players to perform. Howard looked fresh as a daisy at the end because of it.
Admittedly I was a little nervous when we were gaining momentum and he pulled Howard.
But that’s why I’m not a coach
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Loved the way wojo rested Howard throughout the game and trusted the other players to perform. Howard looked fresh as a daisy at the end because of it.
I also thought Wojo managed Markus' minutes very well throughout.
Admittedly I was a little nervous when we were gaining momentum and he pulled Howard.
But that’s why I’m not a coach
Markus just picked up his third foul and I think Wojo didn't want him to pick up a tired 4th foul. Let him sit a couple minutes until after the 8-minute TV timeout. Good coaching there.
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Loved the way wojo rested Howard throughout the game and trusted the other players to perform. Howard looked fresh as a daisy at the end because of it.
Incredibly happy with Wojo.The team adjusted for him. It seems he has the personnel to do that too. This team is gonna be intense but fun.
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i liked the low TO total too
I was really encouraged about that too. We turned it over like crazy in the first game, and Purdue has been good at forcing TOs so far this season. We did a great job taking care of the ball tonight
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Loved the way wojo rested Howard throughout the game and trusted the other players to perform. Howard looked fresh as a daisy at the end because of it.
Yes—agree. This will become its own topic no doubt. Great to see early game...no MH watch a gonna do boys?
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Truth be told: I liked the 1st half defense. But 40-17 in the 2nd is pure gold!
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Eventually, somebody is going to make the argument that this wasn't that impressive because Purdue folded down the stretch against Texas. That person is an idiot.
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I kinda found it interesting that there was no Symir sighting at all tonight.
I feel like Wojo has always run a pretty deep bench early in the season and then tightened things up later.
He pretty much ran 6 guys the entire second half.
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I kinda found it interesting that there was no Symir sighting at all tonight.
I feel like Wojo has always run a pretty deep bench early in the season and then tightened things up later.
He pretty much ran 6 guys the entire second half.
He did get in for the final 30 seconds of the first half, when we went with a 2-3 zone look.
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15,659 great crowd! Excellent student crowd!
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I kinda found it interesting that there was no Symir sighting at all tonight.
I feel like Wojo has always run a pretty deep bench early in the season and then tightened things up later.
He pretty much ran 6 guys the entire second half.
I thought we might see him more, too, but nobody has a better feel for how everybody has been practicing than the coach. Because we were down so big so early, Wojo no doubt felt he couldn't afford to take a flier on a frosh. Symir will have his day.
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He did get in for the final 30 seconds of the first half, when we went with a 2-3 zone look.
Two open looks and an offensive rebound surrendered.
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I kinda found it interesting that there was no Symir sighting at all tonight.
I feel like Wojo has always run a pretty deep bench early in the season and then tightened things up later.
He pretty much ran 6 guys the entire second half.
I’m with you CHi as you always seem to have a good pulse of what’s going on. But, I’m not reading too much into it. From the 2 practices that I saw Sy is being coached to make the right play right now. He is being coached to see the game how the coaches want. He’s not even looking to score..for better or worse. In Due time. No doubt.
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Bit surprised to see Sacar on the bench to start the second half. Wojo seems to almost always roll out the 1st half starters to start the 2nd. Was wondering if he was hurt. Good thing he wasn't, needed his D, and hit a few big shots.
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I’m with you CHi as you always seem to have a good pulse of what’s going on. But, I’m not reading too much into it. From the 2 practices that I saw Sy is being coached to make the right play right now. He is being coached to see the game how the coaches want. He’s not even looking to score..for better or worse. In Due time. No doubt.
Oh no doubt. No conspiracy theories or tin foil hats here. Just a change of tendencies from previous years.
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Bit surprised to see Sacar on the bench to start the second half. Wojo seems to almost always roll out the 1st half starters to start the 2nd. Was wondering if he was hurt. Good thing he wasn't, needed his D, and hit a few big shots.
He took a shot to the head not long before halftime. He looked woozy walking to the locker room, and from afar I thought he might have had a concussion. I actually was a little surprised he played in the second half. And he made a couple of huge plays for us, too!
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Bit surprised to see Sacar on the bench to start the second half. Wojo seems to almost always roll out the 1st half starters to start the 2nd. Was wondering if he was hurt. Good thing he wasn't, needed his D, and hit a few big shots.
Sacar was not on the bench to start the 2nd half, cameback with about 15 minutes to go in the game. Hit a big three!
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Am I imagining things or did FS1 cut to commercial too early?
Cause I coulda swore MU were down 3 at one point and next thing I know Theo is on the ground for a loose ball and Sacar makes a nice finish at the rim to give Marquette a lead.
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He took a shot to the head not long before halftime. He looked woozy walking to the locker room, and from afar I thought he might have had a concussion. I actually was a little surprised he played in the second half. And he made a couple of huge plays for us, too!
Musta missed that. Thanks.
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Am I imagining things or did FS1 cut to commercial too early?
Cause I coulda swore MU were down 3 at one point and next thing I know Theo is on the ground for a loose ball and Sacar makes a nice finish at the rim to give Marquette a lead.
Nope. Sacar hit a 3 to tie it about 20-25 seconds before Theo's hustle play.
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Bit surprised to see Sacar on the bench to start the second half. Wojo seems to almost always roll out the 1st half starters to start the 2nd. Was wondering if he was hurt. Good thing he wasn't, needed his D, and hit a few big shots.
Funny you say that because Steven Bardo’s color girl said MU starting the 2nd half with their starting lineup...and it wasn’t.
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We came back from 18 against a Big 14 team that is known for being well-coached and that has a good amount of talent.
Can't wait for Sunday!
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I think Torrence subbed in for Sacar.
Why wasnt that play reviewed for a elbow to the head? Not intentional but could still be called.
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Funny you say that because Steven Bardo’s color girl said MU starting the 2nd half with their starting lineup...and it wasn’t.
Lisa Byington did play by play.
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I think Torrence subbed in for Sacar.
Why wasnt that play reviewed for a elbow to the head? Not intentional but could still be called.
What’s funny about that is I didn’t even think about the refs until now, which probably means they did a pretty darn good job.
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Lisa Byington did play by play.
Yes—bad word choice. Thank you.
To be clear...I would have said Steven Bardo’s color guy if I didn’t recall his name either.
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Truth be told: I liked the 1st half defense. But 40-17 in the 2nd is pure gold!
Wife and I talked about this. It was maddening in 1H only because "purdue kept opening the door and we wouldnt walk through it." Good defense all around. Much more authoritative offense in 2h
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I think Torrence subbed in for Sacar.
Why wasnt that play reviewed for a elbow to the head? Not intentional but could still be called.
I thought the same. Said out loud to my wife, "They should at least review that."
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Excellent Summary from Mark Miller
https://twitter.com/WisBBYearbook/status/1194833463775498240
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Unfortunately I've been pretty busy with work lately so haven't seen many NCAA games this year but was pretty surprised at the "flopping" call Markus got in the first half. Is that a common call now? If so, I'm expecting us to shoot like 50 technical free throw shots when we play Trice & Davison on Sunday.
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Unfortunately I've been pretty busy with work lately so haven't seen many NCAA games this year but was pretty surprised at the "flopping" call Markus got in the first half. Is that a common call now? If so, I'm expecting us to shoot like 50 technical free throw shots when we play Trice & Davison on Sunday.
It's a new rule. The first time it is a warning (as in the Markus call) with no foul. The problem was/is: Markus was hard fouled. The ref didn't like his neck snap.
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Just thinking about the Murray St game last year vs tonight.
Its pretty obvious which guys wanted be here and compete for Marquette...Addition by Subtraction
Sam ended up at UVA
Joey ended up at MSU
You should shut up before embarrassing yourself anymore.
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Sam ended up at UVA
Joey ended up at MSU
You should shut up before embarrassing yourself anymore.
Sam should have stayed
Joey was never a fit
No offense to either but they were redundant
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Sam ended up at UVA
Joey ended up at MSU
You should shut up before embarrassing yourself anymore.
I don't think anyone is questioning their skill level. But at some point chemistry becomes impossible to salvage. If we'd hit that point, then addition by subtraction.
Too early to tell if that's the case.
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Loved the way wojo rested Howard throughout the game and trusted the other players to perform. Howard looked fresh as a daisy at the end because of it.
I was a little worried about that move with about 10 to play in the game. We had narrowed the lead and were having a hard time getting past about a 3-4 point deficit. I was happy with the defense-first plan, but was a little worried about the offense. And it all worked out just like it was supposed to.
Koby stepping up tonight was huge. And Wojo putting together a gameplan to give him that opportunity was a great move. I like seeing Koby as our #2 option, and it sure seems like the team was fired up to see him have a big second half. Did anyone else catch the interaction between Markus and Koby when the final buzzer sounded? Markus showed more emotion celebrating Koby tonight than he did breaking the record last week. That's the kind of team chemistry that can really take us places.
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Excellent Summary from Mark Miller
https://twitter.com/WisBBYearbook/status/1194833463775498240
Not so much. The Rick Mount shot was an absolute devastating dagger.
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Sam should have stayed
Joey was never a fit
No offense to either but they were redundant
No disagreement here. Wojo screwed that up. And he had Ellenson backstory to learn from. Losing Sam is a travesty.
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Sam ended up at UVA
Joey ended up at MSU
You should shut up before embarrassing yourself anymore.
Your point?
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No disagreement here. Wojo screwed that up. And he had Ellenson backstory to learn from. Losing Sam is a travesty.
Not all on Wojo though. Not all on the Hausers either. Time and space is often underrated, aina?
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No disagreement here. Wojo screwed that up. And he had Ellenson backstory to learn from. Losing Sam is a travesty.
Was just watching some highlights of last game @UW 2 years ago and damn Sam could play. Watching that full court pull up nothing but net 3 never gets old. Probably be in the top 10 with him right now and have a legit shot at winning the whole thing with college bball being pretty open this year.
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Not so much. The Rick Mount shot was an absolute devastating dagger.
The real dagger was Ric Cobb's missed free throw that would have beaten Purdue in regulation.
Nice we finally beat those guys. Now, let's work to even it up!
Two good teams. Purdue is well-coached and a good test. Ought to find a way to play them home and home.
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Was just watching some highlights of last game @UW 2 years ago and damn Sam could play. Watching that full court pull up nothing but net 3 never gets old. Probably be in the top 10 with him right now and have a legit shot at winning the whole thing with college bball being pretty open this year.
Very happy with the guys who want to be Warriors.
What's His Name and What's His Name Jr. are ancient history. No ill will to them; they simply no longer matter to me. Not sure why they would matter this season to anybody who loves the Warriors.
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Very happy with the guys who want to be Warriors.
What's His Name and What's His Name Jr. are ancient history. No ill will to them; they simply no longer matter to me. Not sure why they would matter this season to anybody who loves the Warriors.
Agree 100%. Loved how tough our team played in the second half. This team has the talent and depth to win the BE. Can’t wait to see Jayce play. Theo had a phenomenal game. Loved the way he manhandled Harmms. Bet we beat the rodents by 15.
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Great defense? No way! Purdue just got cold in the second half.
We finally beat Purdue! Good start.
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At some point, Marquette is actually going to lose a game or two. Some people here really need to work on getting out of their pull-ups and into big boy underwear.
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McEwen played a great game but was surprised how much he had the ball. Figured he’d be the off guard. Markus seemed to disappear a bit without the ball.
Purdue's length really bothered Markus at times. Made it hard to get looks and hard to drive. What really impressed me was that he was slowed, but they weren't able to completely get him out of the game, and when he did get a sliver of daylight, he made them pay.
This is why Markus has needed ballhandling help. In the past, this could've been a 7 TO night for him with a number of forced shots. He took what Purdue gave him but didn't force more. Really impressive offensive night from Markus, as much for what he didn't do as what he did.
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Thought that we did a good job of denying entry passes into the post. There were a few times that Haarms got the ball too deep and scored easily, but he got far fewer touches than Haas last time we played Purdue. Credit to both Theo, and the length of our guards to help deny the pass.
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Purdue's length really bothered Markus at times. Made it hard to get looks and hard to drive. What really impressed me was that he was slowed, but they weren't able to completely get him out of the game, and when he did get a sliver of daylight, he made them pay.
This is why Markus has needed ballhandling help. In the past, this could've been a 7 TO night for him with a number of forced shots. He took what Purdue gave him but didn't force more. Really impressive offensive night from Markus, as much for what he didn't do as what he did.
I agree with this analysis.
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I think Torrence subbed in for Sacar.
Why wasnt that play reviewed for a elbow to the head? Not intentional but could still be called.
If i'm not mistaken they did walk over to the monitor during the timeout following that play. It was a quick review. I thought the refs actually did a fairly decent job, except for the missed Kicked Ball at the top of the key that led to Sacar's great block on the ensuing fastbreak.
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Was just watching some highlights of last game @UW 2 years ago and damn Sam could play. Watching that full court pull up nothing but net 3 never gets old. Probably be in the top 10 with him right now and have a legit shot at winning the whole thing with college bball being pretty open this year.
Was ranked #2 before they left.
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Was ranked #2 before they left.
Before most the 2019 class had committed and people had said if they were returning or not. Still would likely be higher though.
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Was ranked #2 before they left.
One of the two Hauser’s would not have started this year and both would have played less. Defense is significantly better without but we aren’t as good offensively. If Koby maintains this 2nd half performance the drop off from offense isn’t as great as the uplift in defense.
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Theo 34 minutes, 2 fouls.
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Theo 34 minutes, 2 fouls.
Theo +19. Haarms -17.
https://gomarquette.com/documents/2019/11/13//Box_Score_Purdue_at_Marquette_14_November.pdf
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Purdue's length really bothered Markus at times. Made it hard to get looks and hard to drive. What really impressed me was that he was slowed, but they weren't able to completely get him out of the game, and when he did get a sliver of daylight, he made them pay.
This is why Markus has needed ballhandling help. In the past, this could've been a 7 TO night for him with a number of forced shots. He took what Purdue gave him but didn't force more. Really impressive offensive night from Markus, as much for what he didn't do as what he did.
Great take, brewski.
Some folks get their undies in a bundle when Markus has the ball and/or shoots "too much," and also can get their undies in a bundle when Markus has the ball and/or shoots "too little."
Markus played an intelligent, team-oriented game. Moved well without the ball. Attention Purdue paid on him led to a ton of open shots for his teammates. Our guys (especially Koby) started knocking 'em down in the second half.
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Sam ended up at UVA
Joey ended up at MSU
You should shut up before embarrassing yourself anymore.
Where they will both be the one-dimensional spot up shooters that they are. so what?
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Koby and Greg showed what big guards can do, offensively, defensively, on the boards. Greg was the missing piece last year. That team was slow and nobody but Markus could get his shot. Last night, Purdue guarded the crap out of Markus, but MU had other guards who could create shots, instead of standing around at the three point line or doing the world's slowest back down. MU was able to extend on defense, do a much better job of switching and containing the dribble than last year. And MU ultimately fought Purdue to a virtual tie on the boards. Without Jayce.
There was a lull in the first half. Oops
This team is going to win a lot of games. But other teams are good and there are going to be games that Marquette actually loses. Some of you, once again, made damn fools of yourselves.
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=401166062
Enjoy
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No disagreement here. Wojo screwed that up. And he had Ellenson backstory to learn from. Losing Sam is a travesty.
A "travesty?" Hardly. This team would be better with Sam no doubt. But he wasn't happy so its time to move on.
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Great take, brewski.
Some folks get their undies in a bundle when Markus has the ball and/or shoots "too much," and also can get their undies in a bundle when Markus has the ball and/or shoots "too little."
Markus played an intelligent, team-oriented game. Moved well without the ball. Attention Purdue paid on him led to a ton of open shots for his teammates. Our guys (especially Koby) started knocking 'em down in the second half.
One thing I notice was that, outside of Markus, the footwork on our outside shots was quite poor. IMO Purdue was a level above speed wise and it took some time for players to adjust. Once they did, and they calmed down, the shots started to fall.
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Theo +19. Haarms -17.
https://gomarquette.com/documents/2019/11/13//Box_Score_Purdue_at_Marquette_14_November.pdf
That's a hell of a stat. I kept wondering why Haarms wasn't playing more. It seemed like we didn't have an answer for when they threw it into him deep in the post. This is why coaches are paid the big bucks, Painter likely noticed other ways Haarms was doing more Haarm then good.
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Good to see some long overdue discussion of the Hausers in here.
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BTW, for those wondering about Symir, what exactly did you want Wojo to do? Clearly he was going to ride Markus and Koby, with Elliott (who played with GREAT energy) subbing for both. There wasn't much room for him and likely won't have much moving forward.
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That's a hell of a stat. I kept wondering why Haarms wasn't playing more. It seemed like we didn't have an answer for when they threw it into him deep in the post. This is why coaches are paid the big bucks, Painter likely noticed other ways Haarms was doing more Haarm then good.
Interesting. I kept wondering when Haarms was going to get off the court. Played 29 minutes, felt like he barely left the court in the 2nd half.
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Great take, brewski.
Markus played an intelligent, team-oriented game. Moved well without the ball. Attention Purdue paid on him led to a ton of open shots for his teammates. Our guys (especially Koby) started knocking 'em down in the second half.
Lots of positives last night. Good D in half #1, great D in the second half. Markus smart and under control, and Koby is a guy who one on one can "get his". Theo 30+ minutes, only 2 fouls vs an excellent big. Greg with lots of energy.
Some reality: we were lucky they couldn't make free throws and "our guys" (other than Markus and Koby) didn't really "knock 'em down" in either half (Brendan, Sacar, Greg and Jamal were a combined 5-22, 1-11 from 3).
All in all, though, a great comeback win against a quality opponent. On to Madison!
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Lots of positives last night. Good D in half #1, great D in the second half. Markus smart and under control, and Koby is a guy who one on one can "get his". Theo 30+ minutes, only 2 fouls vs an excellent big. Greg with lots of energy.
Some reality: we were lucky they couldn't make free throws and "our guys" (other than Markus and Koby) didn't really "knock 'em down" in either half (Brendan, Sacar, Greg and Jamal were a combined 5-22, 1-11 from 3).
All in all, though, a great comeback win against a quality opponent. On to Madison!
Good points, Lenny.
Those of us who are happy today aren't naive. We know there were quite a few "cons" to go with the "pros." I already have mentioned some elsewhere. In the first half, two of my big concerns -- the lack of proven scoring/shooting beyond Markus and potential rebounding problems -- came to light. And I'm guessing they will resurface in many other games this season, as well. We will lose some of those games.
But bailing on the team halfway through our first real game -- ripping on players by name and already declaring the season to be hopeless -- that was ridiculous even by Scoop standards.
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BTW, for those wondering about Symir, what exactly did you want Wojo to do? Clearly he was going to ride Markus and Koby, with Elliott (who played with GREAT energy) subbing for both. There wasn't much room for him and likely won't have much moving forward.
Agreed. But he'll still get some minutes. I'm not sure we want 37 from Koby too often. It's a long season. Wojo was going to ride that hot hand both to, well, ride it but also to begin to instill confidence in him that he's totally capable of playing well at this level. I'm thinking Koby's wheelhouse is about 30-32. If Markus is about 34 and Sacar is 30-32 that leaves up to 26 or so split between Greg and Sy. Call it 20 and 6 perhaps?
What it does reinforce is the Dexter redshirt decision, baring injury.
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Agreed. But he'll still get some minutes. I'm not sure we want 37 from Koby too often. It's a long season. Wojo was going to ride that hot hand both to, well, ride it but also to begin to instill confidence in him that he's totally capable of playing well at this level. I'm thinking Koby's wheelhouse is about 30-32. If Markus is about 34 and Sacar is 30-32 that leaves up to 26 or so split between Greg and Sy. Call it 20 and 6 perhaps?
What it does reinforce is the Dexter redshirt decision, baring injury.
Yep yep yep.
Hot hand, matchups, foul situation, etc all will dictate playing time. Love our starting backcourt, and I like our depth a lot this year. Elliott showed a lot of fire and also some skill last night; looking forward to his continued improvement.
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Agreed. But he'll still get some minutes. I'm not sure we want 37 from Koby too often. It's a long season. Wojo was going to ride that hot hand both to, well, ride it but also to begin to instill confidence in him that he's totally capable of playing well at this level. I'm thinking Koby's wheelhouse is about 30-32. If Markus is about 34 and Sacar is 30-32 that leaves up to 26 or so split between Greg and Sy. Call it 20 and 6 perhaps?
What it does reinforce is the Dexter redshirt decision, baring injury.
But I think a lot of Symir's minutes will be when they play cupcakes. Wojo rides his guys. He's done that since he's been here.
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I'm not keen to ride Markus and Koby for more than 32 min per game, but without them, scoring and ball movement stop right now. I think we'll see them staggered more often.
Greg's clearly the go to 3rd option right now, and the reality is he likely still is not all the way back with his conditioning. I anticipate continued improvement from him in the non con
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But I think a lot of Symir's minutes will be when they play cupcakes. Wojo rides his guys. He's done that since he's been here.
Reasonable take.
Wojo does ride his guys, but he also has been willing to play freshmen when they've earned the right to be "his guys."
Not even counting the first couple of years, when we were young, young, young ...
Markus and Sam played a ton as freshmen. Joey did last season. Bailey's PT increased last season. Cain became a mainstay as his freshman year went on.
If Symir becomes a more viable option in Wojo's mind, he will play.
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One thing I notice was that, outside of Markus, the footwork on our outside shots was quite poor. IMO Purdue was a level above speed wise and it took some time for players to adjust. Once they did, and they calmed down, the shots started to fall.
+1
I'm hoping this isn't a symptom of Brett Nelson leaving. That first half non-Markus shooting was ugly. What were we, 1/11 before Koby finally hit a three?
That said, Wojo's offenses generally improve as the year goes on. We started shaky on offense last year too and it was really trending up until Markus got hurt.
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https://purdue.forums.rivals.com/threads/purdue-at-marquette-game-thread.180829/
Purdue Game Thread might be funnier than ours!
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Greg's clearly the go to 3rd option right now, and the reality is he likely still is not all the way back with his conditioning. I anticipate continued improvement from him in the non con
Greg has taken 8 shots and scored 11 points on the year and has not started either game, and you're saying he's the clear number 3? This is not a good take. Sacar and Theo are ahead of Greg right now in the pecking order for getting a bucket.
Greg, Jamal, and Brendan all have a chance to be that #3 option. But they're not there yet. Of course, this is a small sample, but Sacar and Theo have done a nice job of picking up where they left off last year. I they'll continue to be strong, especially Sacar.
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Lenny, no November win is going to make the season seashells and balloons. And the first half was not an artistic success. But even when Purdue was building their lead, they weren't doing it because MU was defending poorly. Down 18, I still wasn't worried. I felt that as soon as MU got a stop and secured a defensive rebound (the true achilles heel in the first half) and then hit a shot on the other end, that it would turn. I think we can all agree that the second half is the type of basketball we all want to see. Physical on the boards, great on ball defense, lots of guys hitting shots.
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I think we won by putting the ball through the hoop more than Purdue
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Greg has taken 8 shots and scored 11 points on the year and has not started either game, and you're saying he's the clear number 3?
I'm pretty sure he means in the backcourt.
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Greg has taken 8 shots and scored 11 points on the year and has not started either game, and you're saying he's the clear number 3? This is not a good take. Sacar and Theo are ahead of Greg right now in the pecking order for getting a bucket.
I believe he meant 3rd option for PG...
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Your point?
My point is lets stop taking shots at two kids who left and ended up at two of the most prestigious programs in the country. It's not a good look. We are who we are. Lets focus on that and move forward.
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https://purdue.forums.rivals.com/threads/purdue-at-marquette-game-thread.180829/
Purdue Game Thread might be funnier than ours!
I was going to say good God they are whiny, but our game thread is probably worse.
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I believe he meant 3rd option for PG...
I stand by my Theo comment.
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My point is lets stop taking shots at two kids who left and ended up at two of the most prestigious programs in the country. It's not a good look. We are who we are. Lets focus on that and move forward.
We should limit our shots to the kids who remain.
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But I think a lot of Symir's minutes will be when they play cupcakes. Wojo rides his guys. He's done that since he's been here.
No disagreement.
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https://purdue.forums.rivals.com/threads/purdue-at-marquette-game-thread.180829/
Purdue Game Thread might be funnier than ours!
Complain about refs when they're blowing someone out. Continue complaining when they're losing. At least they're consistent! But my favorite:
Totally. Flopper as well. [Howard] can shoot but I'm not too impressed by him.
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If i'm not mistaken they did walk over to the monitor during the timeout following that play. It was a quick review. I thought the refs actually did a fairly decent job, except for the missed Kicked Ball at the top of the key that led to Sacar's great block on the ensuing fastbreak.
If one missed kicked ball is the most significant grievance, I'd say they were in the top 5% of games reffed. Purdue was extremely aggressive in the 1st half, and the refs let them play to a fair degree, but they also kept control of the game. Purdue began racking up PFs and I that and fatigue were factors in MU clawing their way back into the game. Kudos to Markus and Koby for dealing with the sustained pressure w/o turning the ball over.
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https://purdue.forums.rivals.com/threads/purdue-at-marquette-game-thread.180829/
Purdue Game Thread might be funnier than ours!
That was really funny. My 2 favorite posts.
"Theo John..... a$$hole."
"We sure could use a Chicago State game now."
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One thing I notice was that, outside of Markus, the footwork on our outside shots was quite poor. IMO Purdue was a level above speed wise and it took some time for players to adjust. Once they did, and they calmed down, the shots started to fall.
To that point, Jamal never squared up to the basket on his 3 point shots. I may not be recalling it correctly, but I thought his freshman year he did a much better job of getting his feet set properly.
Unless you are a world class shooter like Markus, having your body turned 30 degrees off center isn't going to get you good results.
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I felt that as soon as MU got a stop and secured a defensive rebound (the true achilles heel in the first half) and then hit a shot on the other end, that it would turn.
I thought the most important bucket of the night was the 3 Koby hit near the end of the 1st half to keep MU within shouting distance.
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I stand by my Theo comment.
We saw the sort of athleticism Theo can bring to the PG position with his 2-row chair hurdle.
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That was really funny. My 2 favorite posts.
"Theo John..... a$$hole."
"We sure could use a Chicago State game now."
Sure, but what about:
"Markus Howard is gonna remember the night he had to face Nojel Eastern" ?
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I thought the most important bucket of the night was the 3 Koby hit near the end of the 1st half to keep MU within shouting distance.
That was huge.
It came right after Sacar got hurt. Sacar was writhing in pain under our defensive hoop when McEwen pulled up on a semi-break and nailed the 3. We had been 1-for-11 from 3 to that point.
I assume the refs didn't notice Sacar because usually they'll call time if the injured player is part of the team that has the ball. I believe MU called time right after Koby's shot went in.
Big play, as was MU not letting Purdue score right before halftime. 13 points, when you've not been able to hit a shot and got killed on the boards ... that's manageable.
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To that point, Jamal never squared up to the basket on his 3 point shots. I may not be recalling it correctly, but I thought his freshman year he did a much better job of getting his feet set properly.
Unless you are a world class shooter like Markus, having your body turned 30 degrees off center isn't going to get you good results.
Agreed on Jamal horrible footwork, Bailey tends to have really bad footwork on many of his shots too
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Sure, but what about:
"Markus Howard is gonna remember the night he had to face Nojel Eastern" ?
Eastern is not very good. A guy who was pretty good in high school because he was bigger than everyone else who played the same position.
Can't shoot, not particularly athletic, just a 6'6" combo guard who can handle the ball a little and defend the perimeter.
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You know, this wasn't that impressive because Purdue folded down the stretch against Texas.
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To that point, Jamal never squared up to the basket on his 3 point shots. I may not be recalling it correctly, but I thought his freshman year he did a much better job of getting his feet set properly.
Unless you are a world class shooter like Markus, having your body turned 30 degrees off center isn't going to get you good results.
Someone said it elsewhere. I loved what Jamal did in the paint last night. Grabbed a bunch of boards, played some D, handled the ball confidently, blocked a shot and made some solid mid-range jumpers. Gimme that Jamal every day and his confidence will grow perhaps leading to some confidence in his 3 ball shot. He earned every minute last night. He'll get more.
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We saw the sort of athleticism Theo can bring to the PG position with his 2-row chair hurdle.
That was honestly pretty good for a guy his size
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Eastern is not very good. A guy who was pretty good in high school because he was bigger than everyone else who played the same position.
Can't shoot, not particularly athletic, just a 6'6" combo guard who can handle the ball a little and defend the perimeter.
I wouldn't write him off yet. We did a good job of keeping him out rhythm and out of the game with foul trouble last night. His game (and numbers) last year remind me a little bit of Sacar in the sense that he can do a little bit of everything for the team. With Edwards leaving a big hole to fill, he's got a good opportunity to take a step forward this year. He may not rise to the occasion, but I won't be surprised if he does.
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The fact that this thread isn't titled "Out of Haarms way" is a travesty
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Wojo whitewashes Painter.
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You know, this wasn't that impressive because Purdue folded down the stretch against Texas.
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My nits to pick for the game:
1. We need guys like Greg, Jamal, and Bailey to find their outside shot. They got a lot of wide open looks last night and went for 0 for everything. With guys like Markus, Koby, and Theo in there, they are going to get a lot of open looks and our offense could be very deadly if they can hit even 33% of those threes. Last night it got to the point where Cain's defender was giving him 5 feet of space and daring him to shoot which clogs the lane for everyone else.
2. I'd like to see us work it into the bigs more. Last night was likely due to the fact that they have 7'3" Johnny Bravo roaming the paint, but more plays designed for the bigs will open up our offense even more and get the bad guys in foul trouble.
2b. Specifically, our guards need to learn how to do the dump off pass to the big off a drive. Haarms was coming over to help every time one of our guys slashed, leaving Theo pratically unguarded next to the hoop. The look isn't always there, but if they can figure it out, Theo could have an easy 4-8 points a game just off plays like that....which leads to the big staying home on Theo which can lead to easier shots for the guards.
3. We benefited a lot from one of the more egregious no calls that I've ever seen. The Greg Elliott and 1 was huge for our momentum....but the ball very clearly bounced off the top of the backboard before Elliott grabbed it. I don't know how the refs missed that. Of course there was bad calls the other way as well, I don't know how they missed the obvious kickball when Sacar got the ball stolen (and then got the chasedown block).
4. I understand letting Markus be Markus, but when he took an early shot clock fade away long 2 with about 1:30 left on the clock that is poor understanding of time and situation. If you have a good shot early in the shot clock, take it. Otherwise, run the clock down. You can get a long fade away 2 at any point. Fortunately, it went in.
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I wouldn't write him off yet. We did a good job of keeping him out rhythm and out of the game with foul trouble last night. His game (and numbers) last year remind me a little bit of Sacar in the sense that he can do a little bit of everything for the team. With Edwards leaving a big hole to fill, he's got a good opportunity to take a step forward this year. He may not rise to the occasion, but I won't be surprised if he does.
I dont particularly give an F about Purdue, but Eastern caused MU and particularly Koby a boatload of problems early on defensively. His foul troubles made it significantly easier to run our offense. Is Eastern a good bball player? From what ive seen hes a big strong athlete, but kind of a unskilled bull in a china shop. Good D, zero O
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Anyone else see Eastern as a 6-6 Derrick? Good defender, was a decent role player when surrounded by offensively gifted players, can't/won't shoot three's, hits about half his fts, when the team needs him to step up and take a larger role he kinda shrinks to the occasion. Looking at the advanced stats he isn't as limited offensively as Derrick was, but that is probably at least partially due to him being 5" taller.
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1. We need guys like Greg, Jamal, and Bailey to find their outside shot. They got a lot of wide open looks last night and went for 0 for everything. With guys like Markus, Koby, and Theo in there, they are going to get a lot of open looks and our offense could be very deadly if they can hit even 33% of those threes. Last night it got to the point where Cain's defender was giving him 5 feet of space and daring him to shoot which clogs the lane for everyone else.
With some of the misses last night, we may not see all these guys become outside shooters. And that should be OK.
Jamal can get to the basket. I see that as a bigger threat on offense than him being able to improve his 3FG%. Brendan has a nice looking shot at times, so maybe he'll get there with some more experience. But if he can use his length to finish at the rim more often, I'd love to see that. I see Greg as the guy I'd like to see as more of a shooter out of this group, but he can be a good asset even if he's only an OK outside threat.
It seems like there's a push to either be a Theo or to be a Novak lately. There's so much middle ground to cover in between, though. And with a lot of college players being great athletes but only OK shooters, I see nothing wrong with guys being slashers more than shooters. It doesn't benefit the team if a guy is forced into a role he's not comfortable in, so we should be able to allow the offense to adapt to that. If these guys have trouble connecting from 3, try to find ways to encourage more drives into the paint.
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With some of the misses last night, we may not see all these guys become outside shooters. And that should be OK.
Jamal can get to the basket. I see that as a bigger threat on offense than him being able to improve his 3FG%. Brendan has a nice looking shot at times, so maybe he'll get there with some more experience. But if he can use his length to finish at the rim more often, I'd love to see that. I see Greg as the guy I'd like to see as more of a shooter out of this group, but he can be a good asset even if he's only an OK outside threat.
It seems like there's a push to either be a Theo or to be a Novak lately. There's so much middle ground to cover in between, though. And with a lot of college players being great athletes but only OK shooters, I see nothing wrong with guys being slashers more than shooters. It doesn't benefit the team if a guy is forced into a role he's not comfortable in, so we should be able to allow the offense to adapt to that. If these guys have trouble connecting from 3, try to find ways to encourage more drives into the paint.
I don't think this disputes anything I said. If as a group the three can make 33% of their long range attempts, our offense will be a lot better.
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My nits to pick for the game:
1. We need guys like Greg, Jamal, and Bailey to find their outside shot. They got a lot of wide open looks last night and went for 0 for everything. With guys like Markus, Koby, and Theo in there, they are going to get a lot of open looks and our offense could be very deadly if they can hit even 33% of those threes. Last night it got to the point where Cain's defender was giving him 5 feet of space and daring him to shoot which clogs the lane for everyone else.
2. I'd like to see us work it into the bigs more. Last night was likely due to the fact that they have 7'3" Johnny Bravo roaming the paint, but more plays designed for the bigs will open up our offense even more and get the bad guys in foul trouble.
2b. Specifically, our guards need to learn how to do the dump off pass to the big off a drive. Haarms was coming over to help every time one of our guys slashed, leaving Theo pratically unguarded next to the hoop. The look isn't always there, but if they can figure it out, Theo could have an easy 4-8 points a game just off plays like that....which leads to the big staying home on Theo which can lead to easier shots for the guards.
3. We benefited a lot from one of the more egregious no calls that I've ever seen. The Greg Elliott and 1 was huge for our momentum....but the ball very clearly bounced off the top of the backboard before Elliott grabbed it. I don't know how the refs missed that. Of course there was bad calls the other way as well, I don't know how they missed the obvious kickball when Sacar got the ball stolen (and then got the chasedown block).
4. I understand letting Markus be Markus, but when he took an early shot clock fade away long 2 with about 1:30 left on the clock that is poor understanding of time and situation. If you have a good shot early in the shot clock, take it. Otherwise, run the clock down. You can get a long fade away 2 at any point. Fortunately, it went in.
I don't think it's out of bounds if it hits the top of the backboard. I've already seen a few shots go in off the top of the board this year and Joey hit one last year against Xavier. It has to go fully over the top.
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My nits to pick for the game:
1. We need guys like Greg, Jamal, and Bailey to find their outside shot. They got a lot of wide open looks last night and went for 0 for everything. With guys like Markus, Koby, and Theo in there, they are going to get a lot of open looks and our offense could be very deadly if they can hit even 33% of those threes. Last night it got to the point where Cain's defender was giving him 5 feet of space and daring him to shoot which clogs the lane for everyone else.
2. I'd like to see us work it into the bigs more. Last night was likely due to the fact that they have 7'3" Johnny Bravo roaming the paint, but more plays designed for the bigs will open up our offense even more and get the bad guys in foul trouble.
2b. Specifically, our guards need to learn how to do the dump off pass to the big off a drive. Haarms was coming over to help every time one of our guys slashed, leaving Theo pratically unguarded next to the hoop. The look isn't always there, but if they can figure it out, Theo could have an easy 4-8 points a game just off plays like that....which leads to the big staying home on Theo which can lead to easier shots for the guards.
3. We benefited a lot from one of the more egregious no calls that I've ever seen. The Greg Elliott and 1 was huge for our momentum....but the ball very clearly bounced off the top of the backboard before Elliott grabbed it. I don't know how the refs missed that. Of course there was bad calls the other way as well, I don't know how they missed the obvious kickball when Sacar got the ball stolen (and then got the chasedown block).
4. I understand letting Markus be Markus, but when he took an early shot clock fade away long 2 with about 1:30 left on the clock that is poor understanding of time and situation. If you have a good shot early in the shot clock, take it. Otherwise, run the clock down. You can get a long fade away 2 at any point. Fortunately, it went in.
Nice, TAMU. I agree with most of this.
1. Even 30% from those guys would be acceptable. That means some nights, 1 or 2 of them might go for 40-50% (and other nights, like last night, be cold).
2. Yes, more paint touches. Ed travels every time but he rarely gets called and he's shifty down there. Theo not horrible. Plus, it would create kick-out opportunities (though that isn't a strength for either of them). Put us in better rebounding position too. Somebody had a nice pocket pass to Theo, who got fouled; I want to say Elliott? Yes, more of those.
3. Top of the backboard is not out of bounds. Neither are the sides or the bottom. Only out of bounds if it goes up and over the top. Not sure how they missed the kick. I yelled about it in real time.
4. I picked the same nit about Markus on that shot. It was unnecessary. 15 seconds at least left on the clock, and it wasn't a gimme. But lots of ills are overlooked when the ball goes through the hoop.
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Somebody had a nice pocket pass to Theo, who got fouled; I want to say Elliott? Yes, more of those.
Yes, Elliott, and I think he actually had two such plays where he penetrated very deep and laid it off in heavy traffic it a perfect position where the big guys could handle it. Not an easy thing to do but they were beautiful.
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Koby completely flipped a switch in the second half. Looked completely over his head in the first half, then leads to victory in the second.
I felt that the improvement on defense wouldn't be enough to overcome the loss of the Hausers on offense, but maybe that isn't the case? Hopefully it isn't.....
Cannot remember the last time defense rather than offense was the major reason we won a game
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Yes, Elliott, and I think he actually had two such plays where he penetrated very deep and laid it off in heavy traffic it a perfect position where the big guys could handle it. Not an easy thing to do but they were beautiful.
He used his reach well to get the ball around defenders; looking forward to more of that from the young man.
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We win the Big East and get to the second weekend if Greg Elliott is healthy last year.
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I am of that mind, too, though there are no guarantees. Someone described him as a junkyard dog. Some have said that we are overestimating his impact. I remember many people arguing he should have been starting AS A FRESHMAN OVER MARKUS or ROWSEY. At the minimum, down the stretch last year, if Greg were healthy, we would have had a 6'3 combo guard who could play defense. That would have come in handy.
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We win the Big East and get to the second weekend if Greg Elliott is healthy last year.
Yep
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Now that they've played a few games, how good do you think Purdue will end up being this season? Will this be a strong win for us at the end of the year? Not based on pre-season projections, but what you folks have seen thus far.
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Now that they've played a few games, how good do you think Purdue will end up being this season? Will this be a strong win for us at the end of the year? Not based on pre-season projections, but what you folks have seen thus far.
Offensively challenged lacking a go-to guy at the moment. I’ll call a 5-seed
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They have pieces. Someone has to step up and become the alpha. If that happens, Purdue will be fine.
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Now that they've played a few games, how good do you think Purdue will end up being this season? Will this be a strong win for us at the end of the year? Not based on pre-season projections, but what you folks have seen thus far.
I think they'll figure it out and make the tourney, but they have serious offensive issues. I'm thinking they'll spend most of the year on the bubble and get in as a double digit seed.
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My nits to pick for the game:
Last night was likely due to the fact that they have 7'3" Johnny Bravo roaming the paint...
I was kind of partial to calling him Tall Morrissey.
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I was kind of partial to calling him Tall Morrissey.
Brilliant
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Koby completely flipped a switch in the second half. Looked completely over his head in the first half, then leads to victory in the second.
I didn't think he looked "completely over his head" at all.
He handled the ball fine, didn't have any turnovers, initiated the offense fine, defended his man well.
He missed some shots, including one horrible looking airball, and he wasn't quite aggressive enough.
The coach who is too stupid to run a grade-school team told him to keep shooting and to be more aggressive, and Koby did much better offensively in the second half while still playing good D.
Players, like teams, always look much better when the ball goes in the net.
Of course, there were Scoopers who decided that he was the worst player in the history of mankind -- or even worse, the next Chartouny -- based on him not hitting shots for the game's first 18 minutes.
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Didn't know where else to put this:
https://www.barstoolsports.com/barstoolu/barstool-basketball-mailbag-how-good-is-uk-actually-will-oregon-really-get-better-lets-talk-seton-hall-and-more
Yeah, this is massive. So obviously losing the Hausers was a blow for a team that many thought would be a top-15 team and have Final Four type hopes. But here's the thing. For as good as the Hauser's were offensively, they were a bit of a mess defensively. This year? Marquette looks damn good on defense. That's how it came back against Purdue. They only made 1 more 3 than Purdue for the game and didn't shoot the ball well. That's typically an automatic loss for Marquette. With the addition of McEwen it lets Howard get in different sets. You can run Howard off the ball and off screens that way. You can put him on the ball. I still have questions about the Marquette team, but this should be a top-30 team the entire year.
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An outsider saying many of the same things being said here. Without the vitriol, hyperbole, or personal attacks.
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An outsider saying many of the same things being said here. Without the vitriol, hyperbole, or personal attacks.
Its that personal touch that makes everything on the scoop mean so much more.