Looks like Native Americans don't mind the Redskins nickname after all

[ChicosBailBonds]

I thought the Potawatomi gave Marquette a barrel of $$$.  Follow the money.

Hush

Hush

Hush

[WellsstreetWanderer]

I don't have an opinion on this as I am not even 165th Native American . all I know is that ,recently driving through the Navajo Nation,  Red Mesa HS prominently displays a large sign declaring that they are the Redskins and even use the Washington logo.

[Benny B]

I thought the Potawatomi gave Marquette a barrel of $$$.  Follow the money.

Actually, they kept their money and gave up their contaminated land.

Ironic, isn't it?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Actually, they kept their money and gave up their contaminated land.

Ironic, isn't it?

Not a sacred burial ground, eh?

[Benny B]

Not a sacred burial ground, eh?

If you're talking about the burial of MULAX's tournament hopes, then yes.



Which, incidentally, has anyone else connected the dots regarding MU playing an Iroquois sport on former Potawatomi land?

[ChicosBailBonds]

If you're talking about the burial of MULAX's tournament hopes, then yes.



Which, incidentally, has anyone else connected the dots regarding MU playing an Iroquois sport on former Potawatomi land?

Good one

[mu-rara]

Actually, they kept their money and gave up their contaminated land.

Ironic, isn't it?

Shoulda had Drumpf negotiate that deal.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Starting to drop opposition to it......from WaPost columnist  Robert McCartney 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/new-poll-finds-9-in-10-native-americans-arent-offended-by-redskins-name/2016/05/18/3ea11cfa-161a-11e6-924d-838753295f9a_story.html


Here's my favorite part


"Still, non-Indian critics like me can’t ignore the poll results or pretend they make no difference. Those who have opposed the team name include more than a quarter of Washington-area residents. Many of us thought we were defending a group that needed support. But it feels presumptuous for us to say we know Indians’ interests better than they do. We can’t credibly claim that 9 out of 10 Indians somehow just don’t realize they’re being insulted. Some Indians told The Post that they actively support the name, because its use means Native Americans haven’t been forgotten.

In light of the new facts, we non-Indian critics should stop pressing the team to change its name. We should drop the cause, even if we privately dislike the moniker. We shouldn’t let the name stand in the way of building a new stadium. If we really want to help Indians, we should instead advocate for better schools, job opportunities and social services for them.”

[rocket surgeon]

Starting to drop opposition to it......from WaPost columnist  Robert McCartney 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/new-poll-finds-9-in-10-native-americans-arent-offended-by-redskins-name/2016/05/18/3ea11cfa-161a-11e6-924d-838753295f9a_story.html


Here's my favorite part


"Still, non-Indian critics like me can’t ignore the poll results or pretend they make no difference. Those who have opposed the team name include more than a quarter of Washington-area residents. Many of us thought we were defending a group that needed support. But it feels presumptuous for us to say we know Indians’ interests better than they do. We can’t credibly claim that 9 out of 10 Indians somehow just don’t realize they’re being insulted. Some Indians told The Post that they actively support the name, because its use means Native Americans haven’t been forgotten.

In light of the new facts, we non-Indian critics should stop pressing the team to change its name. We should drop the cause, even if we privately dislike the moniker. We shouldn’t let the name stand in the way of building a new stadium. If we really want to help Indians, we should instead advocate for better schools, job opportunities and social services for them.”

this quote from the espn story on the poll is especially delicious-

   "Suzan Harjo, the lead plaintiff challenging the team's trademark protections, rejected the new results, saying it was an invalid way to surveying those in Indian country.

"I don't accept self-identification," Harjo told the Post. "People say they're native, and they are not native, for all sorts of reasons. Those of us who are leaders in Indian Country ... know who we are representing. We also know if we are representing a minority view. And this is not the case here. Our experience is completely the opposite of the Annenberg poll and this one. I just reject the whole thing."

because the poll doesn't reflect how she feels, damn-it, all of you still need to be ashamed and offended as i am.  us leaders know better than you and we know "offensive" when we see it.  i guess when you make finding offense in things your full time job............

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/15608840/native-americans-say-unbothered-redskins-team-name-washington-post-poll

more residents(28%) of wahington DC found it offensive than the actual indians the wash. post polled-interesting heheheheyn'a?

[ChicosBailBonds]

I'd bet an Indian head penny, which I have a few, that if the poll was reversed in outcome those respondents would be plenty "native" in her Harjo's mind.

But hey, she's a thought leader and thus speaks for the entire constituency, even if 90% disagree with her. 

[MU82]

Starting to drop opposition to it......from WaPost columnist  Robert McCartney 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/new-poll-finds-9-in-10-native-americans-arent-offended-by-redskins-name/2016/05/18/3ea11cfa-161a-11e6-924d-838753295f9a_story.html


Here's my favorite part


"Still, non-Indian critics like me can’t ignore the poll results or pretend they make no difference. Those who have opposed the team name include more than a quarter of Washington-area residents. Many of us thought we were defending a group that needed support. But it feels presumptuous for us to say we know Indians’ interests better than they do. We can’t credibly claim that 9 out of 10 Indians somehow just don’t realize they’re being insulted. Some Indians told The Post that they actively support the name, because its use means Native Americans haven’t been forgotten.

In light of the new facts, we non-Indian critics should stop pressing the team to change its name. We should drop the cause, even if we privately dislike the moniker. We shouldn’t let the name stand in the way of building a new stadium. If we really want to help Indians, we should instead advocate for better schools, job opportunities and social services for them.”

I said much the same earlier in this thread.

Unlike you, Chicos, many of us don't dig in and double-down when we might have been mistaken about something.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Mu82, plenty are still doubling down even if you aren't.  Goes both ways

[MU82]

Mu82, plenty are still doubling down even if you aren't.  Goes both ways

Well, at least nice to see you admit you often double down even when you know you're wrong.

That is the first step to recovery, I'm told.

[keefe]

Thought leaders.....


 


One of the issues with thought leaders is that they often don't represent the will of their constituents.  Elitism, essentially.  This is not limited to this one issue, but many. 

I have no doubt thought leaders are not in favor of this, but that doesn't necessarily make them right, either.  It is their opinion, a minority opinion, within their own constituency.  This is typically where someone of the elite will say "well, they aren't capable of fully understanding, or they have low education, etc.".   Interesting.

Which brings me back to our way or the highway mentality.  Some of these elites don't even respect the will of their own people and denigrate them for not agreeing with their viewpoint on this or other issues.  That is why I pointed out college professors, 99% of them who are not Native American but apparently know how Native Americans are supposed to think in this issue.  No Strawman....if this poll was done with college profs, the outcome would be a direct inverse in my opinion.

I look forward to seeing the team nickname used in scores, stories, etc, moving forward...rather than just called Washington.

Those same two women met with the Sec of Education to discuss proposed cuts to funding in Indian Country. They pointed out that they were college educated Indian women. For each of them there are 700 Indian women who will never begin college.

Indian country has profound challenges. The sports team naming convention issue is the least of them. But it is the easiest to fix.

[brandx]

I said much the same earlier in this thread.

Unlike you, Chicos, many of us don't dig in and double-down when we might have been mistaken about something.

I'm doubling down with chico. I want the Washington Scalpin' Savages.

I am not offended by that name and it reminds that there are Indians out there that don't live in India.

[MU82]

I'm doubling down with chico. I want the Washington Scalpin' Savages.

I am not offended by that name and it reminds that there are Indians out there that don't live in India.

Come on brand, seriously, you stole that from me! I've made that reference a few times ... which is why it must have stuck in your head. I'd better patent Scalpin' Savages before some team claims it!!!!