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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: esotericmindguy on January 24, 2015, 04:57:17 PM
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Can anyone confirm whether it was called a 2 or 3? Announcers said it was called a 2 but my friend who was there saw the ref with two arms up.
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One ref said 3, the closest ref said 2. Closest ref's judgement won out, and the video needed to disprove it was a 2, instead of the other way around.
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Yes, one ref signaled "deuce" when Carlino rose up.
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Yup, the closest ref said two. He was behind the shooter though, so he was guessing on his left foot placement.
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I'm going to continue to bitch about the lack of camera angles on that.
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Wojo in the postgame said the official ruled it a 2 and there was no evidence to overturn it. I saw one ref immediately signal three, so I'm not really sure how that worked, but considering how the officiating went, it didn't surprise me that they didn't have a clue.
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Thanks. Had they called it a 3 it would have stuck. How he overrules anyone is beyond me, guy had no angle. Refs were flat out awful.
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Thanks. Had they called it a 3 it would have stuck. How he overrules anyone is beyond me, guy had no angle. Refs were flat out awful.
I hate looking at the refs too much, but today was brutal, especially in our own gym. There were at least 4 blatant missed travels. How Josh Smith commits one foul in the second half and plays a minute of overtime, much less the entire game is beyond me. Lowered his shoulder into Luke, threw Carlino around, they missed when he double bunny-hopped in the lane...just awful.
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I hate looking at the refs too much, but today was brutal, especially in our own gym. There were at least 4 blatant missed travels. How Josh Smith commits one foul in the second half and plays a minute of overtime, much less the entire game is beyond me. Lowered his shoulder into Luke, threw Carlino around, they missed when he double bunny-hopped in the lane...just awful.
He did massively outplay Fischer though. =/
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I'm also not one to look to the refs, especially on individual plays, they usually even out. But a day like today you can just feel that we were constantly on the wrong side of the calls.
As for the Carlino three, poor camera angle, but I'm 99% sure that was good. I also want to point out that they originally called Duane's three a two when he was about a foot behind the line. Obviously the ref was at a terrible angle to make that call, it wasn't even close.
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It was increbibly close. Just saw the replay. I think his toe was on the line. Incredible shot though. He's a clutch player.
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He did massively outplay Fischer though. =/
Fischer is what he is and what was said here before the season. A good player, but this year will be up and down. The ASU game was a bit of fool's gold. For his career, he is going to be solid, but he's showing essentially what was expected...about 10ppg, 5rpg. Will due better when Hank can pull out some of the bigs and he has a chance to clean up some garbage.
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I'm also not one to look to the refs, especially on individual plays, they usually even out. But a day like today you can just feel that we were constantly on the wrong side of the calls.
As for the Carlino three, poor camera angle, but I'm 99% sure that was good. I also want to point out that they originally called Duane's three a two when he was about a foot behind the line. Obviously the ref was at a terrible angle to make that call, it wasn't even close.
From the replays on FoxSports1, it looked like a two to me. On the Duane Wilson 3, Duane came down with one foot about a foot and a half inside the line. I'm thinking that the ref must have missed Duane's foot placement when he left his feet (the part that determines whether its a three) and must have guessed based on his landing. Fortunately, the refs got that corrected as Duane was quite a bit behind the line.
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He did massively outplay Fischer though. =/
No doubt, though Fischer really needs to add weight. Either way, he should not have been available for that entire game.
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Smith got away with a lot. In one play he lowered and put his shoulder into Luke's chest. Yeah, MU has to play better, but Smith probably had enough folks to foul out twice. We were definitely on the wrong side if the whistle, with all he missed travels too. Ugh
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It was increbibly close. Just saw the replay. I think his toe was on the line. Incredible shot though. He's a clutch player.
Yup! we lost that game by less than inch.
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Fischer is what he is and what was said here before the season. A good player, but this year will be up and down. The ASU game was a bit of fool's gold. For his career, he is going to be solid, but he's showing essentially what was expected...about 10ppg, 5rpg. Will due better when Hank can pull out some of the bigs and he has a chance to clean up some garbage.
I think he's much better than that. He's got a very nice skill set to work with. A game like today is a good learning experience for him as far as getting pushed around like he did. I will put money he will have a big game against Seton Hall.
With his ability, he could very well be an NBA draft pick in a couple years IMO.
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If the foot is on the line it's a 2. Is that the rule? Looked like it was on the line per the number of replays shown.
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Quick rules question. After the Carlino shot, he stole the inbounds pass and threw up the wild shot and the same ref ruled that it was after the clock had expired. Can they review a made shot if the ref rules it's too late or is it just whether the ref rules it's within time?
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Apparently there wasn't the aerial view to show, but from the way Carlino took off, I believe hit foot was behind the line. With a view from behind/on the side like we got, you can't prove it as 'inconclusive', every time that view will look like he's on the line, but I think it was a three. The ref closest to the play was also the ref behind the play meaning he had the same view as the cameras.
Water under the bridge. We played hard, the BC was loud and excited more than it's been all year, and we saw some promising performances for our future.
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Aren't the refs supposed to raise their arms when the ball is released? I was wondering why the referee closest to Duane Wilson didn't immediately signal it was a 3 when Duane was eight inches behind the line when he shot?
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Quick rules question. After the Carlino shot, he stole the inbounds pass and threw up the wild shot and the same ref ruled that it was after the clock had expired. Can they review a made shot if the ref rules it's too late or is it just whether the ref rules it's within time?
By rule, every buzzer-beater at the end of a game is reviewed regardless of the call on the floor.
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The "puppies" as Raftery says, weren't behind the line. Tops of both shoes definitely appeared to be touching the line. I thought it was the right call making it a two.
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It was increbibly close. Just saw the replay. I think his toe was on the line. Incredible shot though. He's a clutch player.
What do you mean? He's just an "incorrigible chucker"!
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I think that with the angle they had on the replay even if his feet were behind the line, the height of the shoe would not allow anyone to see any separation from the line. I think a shot from the side would look different, but it is what it is.
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The "puppies" as Raftery says, weren't behind the line. Tops of both shoes definitely appeared to be touching the line. I thought it was the right call making it a two.
Huh? The right foot looks behind the line and there is no way you can say definitely. The angle was horrible, no way they would have reversed had it been called a 3.
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I remember an NCAA tourney game a few years ago that involved a 10 minute review of the exact same type of scenario. Kentucky v MSU? Maybe? End of regulation shot, edge of shoe may or may not be on the line...... It was a tough call. Regardless of the initial call, there wasn't definitive video evidence to overturn either way. Of course, more camera angles might have shown it more clearly, but a regular season conference game doesn't have as many cameras. Ah, well. Exciting game. Would have loved for that shot to have been a 3. Not meant to be.
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I remember that one too. Patrick Sparks for Kentucky with the three from the top of the key. No wait it was a two. No, it was a three....
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I get needing to review plays at the end of the game and believe they got this right, but the time it takes to do this is commical. It took over 5 minutes to review. If it isn't clear just get on with it.
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How come they had a view from above on the review of the earlier three pointer, but not for the one at the end of regulation?
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How come they had a view from above on the review of the earlier three pointer, but not for the one at the end of regulation?
I think the refs did, but FS1 didn't
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I watched a replay of the game. After seeing the feet and the line close up, I am satisfied it was a two. It was not a case of one foot, but both were basically toeing the line. I think it would of been overturned, if it had been called a three.
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The only thing the replays clearly showed from that shot was the Smith-Rivera fouled Carlino on the arm when he shot. Go back and take a look.
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I think he's much better than that. He's got a very nice skill set to work with. A game like today is a good learning experience for him as far as getting pushed around like he did. I will put money he will have a big game against Seton Hall.
With his ability, he could very well be an NBA draft pick in a couple years IMO.
In a few years, absolutely. What I was trying to say is too many people before the season thought he was going to be some dominant force this year. He's a nice player, but he needs a few years. One of those guys (like many bigs) that had their way in high school, formed a few bad habits that don't work in college, but he's learning.
I like the kid. Liked him for IU, like him for MU. He just needs time. Would also like him to get that shoulder fixed, as there are times it looks to be really bothering him.
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In a few years, absolutely. What I was trying to say is too many people before the season thought he was going to be some dominant force this year. He's a nice player, but he needs a few years. One of those guys (like many bigs) that had their way in high school, formed a few bad habits that don't work in college, but he's learning.
It certainly doesn't help that he's completely alone up there. Steve and Juan hardly do the work in the low post needed to free him up at all. It's not their fault, that's just not their game. Luke could really use a PF that can hit the mid-range jumper (like Jamil did for Davante).
Luke's game needs work. He needs to go up stronger, needs to put it on the floor less, and needs to develop more options than just that little jump-hook. But if Otule can develop offensive moves (his left-pivot developed after his first injury and was pretty effective) I'm sure Luke can do the same. Wojo has proven to be a very, very good big man coach in the past. I have a feeling with better interior options and another year of coaching Luke will be better next year.
And I know a lot of people also complain about his rebounding, which I understand, but how often in the last game did the ball come down and Luke was the only guy around the hoop, surrounded by 4 Georgetown players? Rebounding needs to be a team effort. Just like on offense, he can only do so much when he's alone up there.