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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: Uncle Rico on June 27, 2023, 10:42:28 AM
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This season will mark the 10th since Giannis was drafted by the Milwaukee Bucks. Now he holds the franchise hostage despite being a negative impact on the team, community and failing to stand up to China.
Good luck to all your favorite teams, except the Heat, Celtics and 76ers
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The Spurs say Wemby is only 7-3 1/2? WTF is going on? I thought he was a legit 7'5??
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Dude shrunk 1.5 inches just by breathing our fooked up air, aina?
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Dude shrunk 1.5 inches just by breathing our fooked up air, aina?
Maybe? This is a freaking disaster.
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Was Yao Ming measured at 7'6?
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Maybe? This is a freaking disaster.
No, it isn’t
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No, it isn’t
7'3? Meh.
7'5? :)
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We define disasters differently.
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We define disasters differently.
I don't lie about my height so if I'm told someone is 7'5 I assume it's the truth.
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I don't lie about my height so if I'm told someone is 7'5 I assume it's the truth.
Have I got news for you about the Marquette roster
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My dad's advice to my sister about dating applies here.
'Boy's are going to lie to you.'
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Have I got news for you about the Marquette roster
Spill it. Why can't I get accurate information?
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Spill it. Why can't I get accurate information?
The heights are always exaggerated
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The heights are always exaggerated
Further evidence that diminutive people are discriminated against. I have never lied about my height. Even on my DL.
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Further evidence that diminutive people are discriminated against. I have never lied about my height. Even on my DL.
That’s because nobody cares what short people say.
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That’s because nobody cares what short people say.
Another example of ubiquitous discrimination.
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The Spurs say Wemby is only 7-3 1/2? WTF is going on? I thought he was a legit 7'5??
A live look at the MuggsyB household.
(https://media.tenor.com/mpmbsd82G14AAAAC/wolf-of-wall-street-jordan-belfort.gif)
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That’s him without shoes. They always list heights with shoes.
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That’s him without shoes. They always list heights with shoes.
Oh.....ty. That changes everything. :)
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That’s him without shoes. They always list heights with shoes.
Either that, or something was lost in the conversion from the metric system.
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Harden, KD, and Kyrie have combined for 7 trade requests over the last 2 seasons. And Kyrie can also leave Dallas as a FA this offseason.
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Harden, KD, and Kyrie have combined for 7 trade requests over the last 2 seasons. And Kyrie can also leave Dallas as a FA this offseason.
All 3 are searching for someone to carry them to a title. Just a guess, but I don’t expect another title for any.
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At least Durant and Irving have been important players on championship teams, and at least Durant has been considered by his peers to have been good teammate everywhere he's been.
Harden is a proven loser who obviously has tremendous offensive skills but whose main accomplishment has been getting teams to fork over big money to him. At this point, given his track record, why would any team trade anything of value for him or pay him tens of millions of dollars?
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James Harden is basically a guy who can get hot on the offensive end and that's about it. Never had good handles. Never could defend.
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James Harden is basically a guy who can get hot on the offensive end and that's about it. Never had good handles. Never could defend.
He "never had good handles"? He kicks the ball away a lot but has always had good handles Fluffy as has Kyrie. WTH are you talking about? He's an iso player.
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He "never had good handles"? He kicks the ball away a lot but has always had good handles Fluffy as has Kyrie. WTH are you talking about? He's an iso player.
You gonna run him as a point guard? Nope.
You're right he's an iso player, but that's not what I would call "good handles."
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You gonna run him as a point guard? Nope.
You're right he's an iso player, but that's not what I would call "good handles."
That's a completely different question. Now, personally I think Muggsy had the best handles that ever lived because handles isn't just about being flashy with the rock. The man led the league in asst/turns for 6 years for a reason. That said "handles" literally means the ability to handle the basketball. I suppose you think Iverson never had good handles as well? I think your problem is you have no idea what the word/term "handles" means.
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That's a completely different question. Now, personally I think Muggsy had the best handles that ever lived because handles isn't just about being flashy with the rock. The man led the league in asst/turns for 6 years for a reason. That said "handles" literally means the ability to handle the basketball. I suppose you think Iverson never had good handles as well? I think your problem is you have no idea what the word/term "handles" means.
LOL. Sure.
Anyway, I will place as much value on your opinion on this topic as I do most of them and just roll my eyes and move on.
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LOL. Sure.
Anyway, I will place as much value on your opinion on this topic as I do most of them and just roll my eyes and move on.
Great explanation Fluffy. Who has good handles then based on whatever point you're trying to make? I've never heard a single person other than you state that James Harden "never had good handles". It's a ridiculous take and I can't stand Harden.
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Of the 93 active players who qualify on NBA reference, his turnover percentage ranks him 83rd.
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Of the 93 active players who qualify on NBA reference, his turnover percentage ranks him 83rd.
That has nothing to do with how people define handles. Or how often a player has the ball in his hands. Do Iverson and Kyrie have bad handles as well? If handles were only defined as you stated then Muggsy would be #1 without a close 2nd though. Therefore from now on I'll just go with your definition. :)
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At this point, Harden’s best skill seems to be drawing fouls. Which I think the NBA has been trying to scale back the ability to do that.
Also, I’m not sure I’d trust him to be available much unless the local strip club has a good training room.
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If DDV goes to the Knicks, when do the Jay Wright rumors start?
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3yrs, 126 m for Kyrie. Wow.
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Good for both sides on the Middleton contract.
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4 years, 52 m is a joke for Reaves based on what other guys are signing for. The kid should absolutely be insulted and leave the Lakers.
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Good for both sides on the Middleton contract.
Yup, and sounds like the Bucks get the full MLE if Brook leaves.
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Yup, and sounds like the Bucks get the full MLE if Brook leaves.
Lopez is leaving?
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That has nothing to do with how people define handles. Or how often a player has the ball in his hands. Do Iverson and Kyrie have bad handles as well? If handles were only defined as you stated then Muggsy would be #1 without a close 2nd though. Therefore from now on I'll just go with your definition. :)
"That said "handles" literally means the ability to handle the basketball"
This is exactly what you said.
He then posted a stat of turnover % which takes into account how often someone has the ball and the rate to which they fail to "handle it" as you say.
Are you drinking?
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4 years, 52 m is a joke for Reaves based on what other guys are signing for. The kid should absolutely be insulted and leave the Lakers.
3rd year player who has averaged 10 a game.
Contract is about right.
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Lopez is leaving?
There’s some strong rumors about Houston making him a priority. Even with VanVleet, they still have some room.
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There’s some strong rumors about Houston making him a priority. Even with VanVleet, they still have some room.
People in the league do not believe it will happen and that he’ll be back with the Bucks.
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People in the league do not believe it will happen and that he’ll be back with the Bucks.
I’m hoping he’s back with the Bucks and still looks like a strong possibility. Just highlighting a benefit to the contract Middleton signed.
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I’m hoping he’s back with the Bucks and still looks like a strong possibility. Just highlighting a benefit to the contract Middleton signed.
Hope he is too and I think he’s expressed Bucks are his preference. His defense is so critical.
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Brook will likely be back on a 2+1 like Midds. 3/60ish.
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Lopez is leaving?
Hope so. The inmates are running the asylum in Milwaukee and they need to peddle everyone and find some guys that know how to play ball unselfishly like Sam Hauser and bring Tyler Herro home. Kids a heckuva player and better than anything the Bucks have
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Brook will likely be back on a 2+1 like Midds. 3/60ish.
I hope you're right.
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3rd year player who has averaged 10 a game.
Contract is about right.
No, it's not. Have you seen some of these contracts the last 24 hrs? Reaves the 2nd half of the season and playoffs was excellent Jockey and super efficient. He's also a versatile and solid defender. He's a perfect #3 option. The guy can easily get way more than that on the open market.
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3rd year player who has averaged 10 a game.
Contract is about right.
I don't know. The Lakers just gave Vincent $11M per year, they are offering Reaves, who has proven to be a far better player an offer of $13M per year.
Compare that to Bruce Brown Jr. (I'd rather have Reaves), who just got $22.5M per year.
I think someone offers Reaves an average of $20M per year. The Lakers low-balled him and are hoping to scare off suitors by saying they'll match anything, including a max-contract.
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I don't know. The Lakers just gave Vincent $11M per year, they are offering Reaves, who has proven to be a far better player an offer of $13M per year.
Compare that to Bruce Brown Jr. (I'd rather have Reaves), who just got $22.5M per year.
I think someone offers Reaves an average of $20M per year. The Lakers low-balled him and are hoping to scare off suitors by saying they'll match anything, including a max-contract.
Yes. Strus also got significantly more. Jockey isn't thinking clearly here at all. Reaves is a really solid player and could fit in pretty much anywhere. Not to mention the fact he could get better the next few years.
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It's been asked before, but after the past 2 days, I have to ask once again: what the hell are the Bulls doing?
Does the GM realize the Bulls were incredibly lucky to finish 40-42? They had a very healthy team last year. They are setting up to win about 30-35 games this year.
I can only hope, as a Bulls fan, that the GM is paying chess while the rest of the NBA is playing checkers.
Is the strategy to get tradable assets under contract? Their is zero chance the front office thinks they can compete for the playoffs, so what is the plan?
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Dame to the Heat? Time will tell.
Makes sense now that Riley let Strus and Vincent get awau, and moved the Dipo contract off the books. Gotta make room.
https://flighttracker.com/live/flight/lol
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Brook got the BAG!
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Brook got the BAG!
Mannnn he sure did.
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Brook got the BAG!
Brook got paid big Bucks?
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Brook got paid big Bucks?
Yes, 2/$48M
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Brook got paid big Bucks?
Well done.
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Yes, 2/$48M
Very good news for the Bucks and MU.
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Rumors that LaMelo Ball was looking to escape Charlotte for his native L.A. apparently were just that. The Charlotte Observer is reporting that Ball and the Hornets have agree d to a 5-year max contract extension that could pay him as much as $260 million.
LaMelo is a hell of an offensive player. He's one of the more gifted and creative ballhandler/passers in the world, and his 3-point shot has been much better than I thought it would be given how weird it looks.
Now if he can just stay healthy, and if the Hornets can actually build a team around him.
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Rumors that LaMelo Ball was looking to escape Charlotte for his native L.A. apparently were just that. The Charlotte Observer is reporting that Ball and the Hornets have agree d to a 5-year max contract extension that could pay him as much as $260 million.
LaMelo is a hell of an offensive player. He's one of the more gifted and creative ballhandler/passers in the world, and his 3-point shot has been much better than I thought it would be given how weird it looks.
Now if he can just stay healthy, and if the Hornets can actually build a team around him.
If he wants to be in LA he’ll get there. Just with more money than had he signed there as a free agent.
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Rumors that LaMelo Ball was looking to escape Charlotte for his native L.A. apparently were just that. The Charlotte Observer is reporting that Ball and the Hornets have agree d to a 5-year max contract extension that could pay him as much as $260 million.
LaMelo is a hell of an offensive player. He's one of the more gifted and creative ballhandler/passers in the world, and his 3-point shot has been much better than I thought it would be given how weird it looks.
Now if he can just stay healthy, and if the Hornets can actually build a team around him.
He clearly a tremendous offensive player but that team is a ways from being formidable.
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Can the Bucks move Allen and a few others for another weapon?
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If he wants to be in LA he’ll get there. Just with more money than had he signed there as a free agent.
Sure, anyone can be traded or force a trade. I'd rather have him signed than not, though. He can't just leave as a free agent in 2 years with the Hornets getting nada, as happened with pretty much every other star the franchise has had.
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Jae back on a 1 year deal.
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Jae back on a 1 year deal.
Great to hear, I hope he recovers from whatever dogged him this year
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Can the Bucks move Allen and a few others for another weapon?
100% agree Muggs. He’s been a major playoff choker. He should draw interest with his age, modest production, and just one year left on his contract. Really hope they can upgrade from him.
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Jae back on a 1 year deal.
Hopefully it was lot of rust that dogged him and part Budenholzer and he not meshing. They did invest 5 future picks to get him, so can see why they’re hoping to reap some return on the investment still.
If it’s still not working, he probably won’t last the season.
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100% agree Muggs. He’s been a major playoff choker. He should draw interest with his age, modest production, and just one year left on his contract. Really hope they can upgrade from him.
I think they need to get younger Hutch. I'm happy their core is back but their other pieces need an upgrade. Allen has been pretty much a disaster in big playoff games. Get a young gun who as the 5th option can do damage in wide open space and defend multiple spots. The question is who's available and does anyone want Allen or Connaughton?
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Lillard wants to go to Miami and the Heat desperately want him.
Now all the Heat needs to do is find some sap willing to take Herro off their hands.
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Lillard wants to go to Miami and the Heat desperately want him.
Now all the Heat needs to do is find some sap willing to take Herro off their hands.
He’s a heckuva player
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Lillard wants to go to Miami and the Heat desperately want him.
Now all the Heat needs to do is find some sap willing to take Herro off their hands.
Portland would be making a big mistake if they don't get Bam in the deal. Especially if Philly would part with Maxey.
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Portland would be making a big mistake if they don't get Bam in the deal. Especially if Philly would part with Maxey.
Don't be surprised when Pat Riley fleeces Portland.
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I suspect he resigns at a lower salary for next year so that Lopez can be resigned. That's my hope at least.
I'm so glad that actually happened and Crowder for 1 more year!
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Not sure if he can veto it, but Lowry has a $30 million expiring contract. You package that with Bam for Lillard and Josef Nurick and you at least have the start of a deal. You may need to throw Caleb Martin in too.
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Very hard to see Riley and Spoelstra giving up Bam IMHO - as he’s almost the perfect kind of “Heat Culture” player. But I’ve been amazed at some of the deals that have been made, so who knows.
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Very hard to see Riley and Spoelstra giving up Bam IMHO - as he’s almost the perfect kind of “Heat Culture” player. But I’ve been amazed at some of the deals that have been made, so who knows.
You might be right. But their lack of a consistent outside scorer has been a problem. And I think they want Herro in that role…but IDK. I just don’t know if the Blazers are going to want that contract in return.
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Bam would not be in the package. He’s the reason Lillard wants to go to Miami.
Lillard would be the outside scorer. The Heat would need to try to center the package around Herro. They have to hope the Blazers think more highly of him than most teams do.
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You might be right. But their lack of a consistent outside scorer has been a problem. And I think they want Herro in that role…but IDK. I just don’t know if the Blazers are going to want that contract in return.
Lillard's career 3-point percentage is not far behind Herro's, and it was virtually identical the last 4 seasons (since Herro has been in the league). So he basically replaces Herro as a consistent outside scorer while also doing numerous things Herro doesn't.
I agree that Herro's contract wouldn't be very attractive for Portland, but they almost surely will have to take back a "bad" contract or two in any Lillard trade.
And if Miami traded Bam instead of Herro so they'd have more outside shooting, they'd create another hole. Bam is uniquely talented, far more difficult to replace than a shooter IMHO.
It's definitely gonna be interesting to see where Lillard lands.
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Bam would not be in the package. He’s the reason Lillard wants to go to Miami.
Lillard would be the outside scorer. The Heat would need to try to center the package around Herro. They have to hope the Blazers think more highly of him than most teams do.
If Portland makes a Miami deal with no Bam the GM there should be terminated.
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If Portland makes a Miami deal with no Bam the GM there should be terminated.
🙄🙄🙄
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I think given the contracts over the last few days, Herro's deal doesn't look all that terrible and unappealing anymore. Back to back years of 20+PPG/5/4 on 44/38/90 shooting splits.
Jerami Grant just got $32MM a year with similar scoring numbers, but has lower rebounding totals than Herro despite being much bigger, not to mention assists.
Cam Johnson just got 4 years at $27 per and Herro has outperformed him statistically.
And others. Which I think makes him easier to move. I think Herro, Martin, and picks will be the core of it and I think there is no way its not a multiple team deal.
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I think given the contracts over the last few days, Herro's deal doesn't look all that terrible and unappealing anymore. Back to back years of 20+PPG/5/4 on 44/38/90 shooting splits.
Jerami Grant just got $32MM a year with similar scoring numbers, but has lower rebounding totals than Herro despite being much bigger, not to mention assists.
Cam Johnson just got 4 years at $27 per and Herro has outperformed him statistically.
And others. Which I think makes him easier to move. I think Herro, Martin, and picks will be the core of it and I think there is no way its not a multiple team deal.
Good points, Wags.
In other news ...
Miles Bridges signed his $7.9 million qualifying offer to play for the Hornets next season. He had turned down a 4-year, $60M offer before the 2021-22 season and the decision seemed to have paid off, as he had a great year and was seen to be in line for at least $20M annually. But then he beat up his girlfriend in front of their kids, missed all last season, and was suspended by the league (he'll miss the first 10 games of the upcoming season). He'll be an unrestricted FA after this season, so if he plays well and stays out of trouble, he'll get a huge contract.
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moriah mills is being offered up to $million dollars or more for sex tape of she and zion...she's a "porn star"?? yikes!!
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4 years, 52 m is a joke for Reaves based on what other guys are signing for. The kid should absolutely be insulted and leave the Lakers.
You can breathe a sigh of relief, Muggs. Reaves got $6M more than that to stay with the Lakers - 4 years, $58M.
Meanwhile, a note that might (or might not) interest those who love (or hate) Tyler Herro ...
(From the Columbia State) -- Austin Herro, brother of Miami Heat guard Tyler Herro, announced Sunday he will be a preferred walk-on for South Carolina. Herro had an offer from Cal Poly but decided to walk on to play for Lamont Paris and the Gamecocks.
The 6-foot-2 guard averaged 14.8 points, 6.4 rebounds and 4.6 assists for Whitnall High School in Wisconsin last season. Paris recruited Tyler Herro when he was an assistant at Wisconsin and he committed to the Badgers. But when Paris left to become head coach at Chattanooga, Tyler Herro ended up at Kentucky.
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You can breathe a sigh of relief, Muggs. Reaves got $6M more than that to stay with the Lakers - 4 years, $58M.
Meanwhile, a note that might (or might not) interest those who love (or hate) Tyler Herro ...
(From the Columbia State) -- Austin Herro, brother of Miami Heat guard Tyler Herro, announced Sunday he will be a preferred walk-on for South Carolina. Herro had an offer from Cal Poly but decided to walk on to play for Lamont Paris and the Gamecocks.
The 6-foot-2 guard averaged 14.8 points, 6.4 rebounds and 4.6 assists for Whitnall High School in Wisconsin last season. Paris recruited Tyler Herro when he was an assistant at Wisconsin and he committed to the Badgers. But when Paris left to become head coach at Chattanooga, Tyler Herro ended up at Kentucky.
Clearly Reaves wanted to stay with the Lakers because he could have gotten significantly more coin.
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Clearly Reaves wanted to stay with the Lakers because he could have gotten significantly more coin.
Not sure about that. I think he was a RFA, so the Lakers could only offer so much. Another team could have offered more but be tied up with him until the Lakers matched or not. Most expected the Lakers to match any offer so I don't think anyone wasted their time offering him. Big loss for Reaves, but that's how the system works. He may be an unhappy camper in LA.
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Reaves has had most of one good season as an NBA player. He parlayed that, and good timing, into $58M. I'm not gonna worry about his financial future.
If he really thought he had a big payday coming, he could have "bet on himself" by signing a short-term contract. He wanted the security of a longer deal. Could he have maybe wrung a little more money out of the Lakers or another team by playing hardball? Maybe, but he obviously was satisfied with $14.5M a year. Can't say I blame him.
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Reaves has had most of one good season as an NBA player. He parlayed that, and good timing, into $58M. I'm not gonna worry about his financial future.
If he really thought he had a big payday coming, he could have "bet on himself" by signing a short-term contract. He wanted the security of a longer deal. Could he have maybe wrung a little more money out of the Lakers or another team by playing hardball? Maybe, but he obviously was satisfied with $14.5M a year. Can't say I blame him.
He's had one good season out of two as an undrafted rookie.
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He's had one good season out of two as an undrafted rookie.
Yessir ... and he's getting paid handsomely for it -- or rather for his potential to be much better down the road.
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Yessir ... and he's getting paid handsomely for it -- or rather for his potential to be much better down the road.
Ig you look at the contracts others have gotten the Lakers got him cheap. Strus and Brown aren't better players.
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Kind of cool to see…
https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1675989712564092929?s=46&t=EPgIwcjzegj_0y0aa83fHA (https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1675989712564092929?s=46&t=EPgIwcjzegj_0y0aa83fHA)
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I think given the contracts over the last few days, Herro's deal doesn't look all that terrible and unappealing anymore. Back to back years of 20+PPG/5/4 on 44/38/90 shooting splits.
Jerami Grant just got $32MM a year with similar scoring numbers, but has lower rebounding totals than Herro despite being much bigger, not to mention assists.
Cam Johnson just got 4 years at $27 per and Herro has outperformed him statistically.
And others. Which I think makes him easier to move. I think Herro, Martin, and picks will be the core of it and I think there is no way its not a multiple team deal.
As a Heat fan, I don't understand the sudden hate on Herro. Unless it is Riley paying 3D chess, making it look like a team shouldn't want him, keeping him while getting Dame.
New intros for next year for the Grizzlies.
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Beasley to the Bucks. He's a capable spot shooter.
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Beasley to the Bucks. He's a capable spot shooter.
Led the league in triples off the bench. Seems to fill a need. Also signed Brooks brother
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Mavs trade for Grant Williams. OMax gets moved down the depth chart.
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Good Lord the Warriors wanted out of that Poole contract. Having to include Baldwin, a first, and a second just to get Chris Paul back? Wow.
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I think given the contracts over the last few days, Herro's deal doesn't look all that terrible and unappealing anymore. Back to back years of 20+PPG/5/4 on 44/38/90 shooting splits.
Jerami Grant just got $32MM a year with similar scoring numbers, but has lower rebounding totals than Herro despite being much bigger, not to mention assists.
Cam Johnson just got 4 years at $27 per and Herro has outperformed him statistically.
And others. Which I think makes him easier to move. I think Herro, Martin, and picks will be the core of it and I think there is no way its not a multiple team deal.
Grant also has to be like 6-7 years older than Herro too.
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Good Lord the Warriors wanted out of that Poole contract. Having to include Baldwin, a first, and a second just to get Chris Paul back? Wow.
They wanted CP because of Kuminga and Moody. They weren’t going to develop being on the floor with Curry, Klay, and Poole.
Weird that trading for a 39 year old is about the future.
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Sounds like at least one team isn’t interested in touching Herro’s contract.
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Sounds like at least one team isn’t interested in touching Herro’s contract.
Herro to the Nets is what I've seen
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Herro to the Nets is what I've seen
Yup. Nets or Spurs. Blazers want nothing to do with Herro.
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Yup. Nets or Spurs. Blazers want nothing to do with Herro.
Makes sense they have a log jam at guard.
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Bring his ass back ta MKE, hey?
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Bring his ass back ta MKE, hey?
Bucks need practice players
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I wonder what the most-watched Summer League game ever is … because one would think tonight’s will have a bazillion times more viewers.
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I wonder what the most-watched Summer League game ever is … because one would think tonight’s will have a bazillion times more viewers.
Speaking of Wemby
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/37974501/no-charges-filed-britney-spears-wembanyama-incident (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/37974501/no-charges-filed-britney-spears-wembanyama-incident)
Reminds me of when my older brother used my own hand to hit me when we were kids.
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Speaking of Wemby
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/37974501/no-Reminds me of when my older brother used my own hand to hit me when we were kids.
(https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/37974501/no-charges-filed-britney-spears-wembanyama-incident)
“Why do you keep hitting yourself? Huh? Huh?”
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Kai Jones (Shaka recruit) just posterized Wembanyama.
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Kai Jones (Shaka recruit) just posterized Wembanyama.
Based on the 15 minutes I watched he’s going to be a big time bust.
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Based on the 15 minutes I watched he’s going to be a big time bust.
Yeah, Kai hasn’t had much of a career so far.
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Yeah, Kai hasn’t had much of a career so far.
I meant Wembanyama
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I meant Wembanyama
Yes.
His first outing was predictable. He already has learned that 7-4 guys can’t try a bunch of fancy dribbles through traffic against NBA-caliber (or even near-NBA- caliber) players. He learned he needs to get stronger and tougher and in better shape. He learned that NBA players (even fringe ones) aren’t afraid or in awe of him.
But we all definitely saw glimpses of why he’s so highly touted. He’s a threat to block shots at the rim all the way out to the arc. He’s smooth. He moves well. He shot poorly but his form looked very good. He’s an outstanding passer and unselfish. He’s obviously very intelligent.
Sky’s the limit. I’m excited to see how good he becomes.
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I meant Wembanyama
Wemby apparently had a rough game. It sounds to me like he's at least 1.5 years away.
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Wemby has talent and physical attributes to eventually be an all star.
However , it should be noted, the highlight reels are from games in the French A League. A league which in recent years has featured players the likes of Dwight Buycks, Luke Fischer and DJO.
So it will take some time for Wemby to adjust to NBA just like any other rookie. It took Giannis a few years to acclimate .
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Yes. A 19 year old from France may take a minute to adapt. I do not see him as the next Darko Milicic.
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Wemby apparently had a rough game. It sounds to me like he's at least 1.5 years away.
Absolutely. It’s just common sense to use one exhibition game as the template for his career.
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He’s going to be very good this year.
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He’s going to be very good this year.
18, 10, and 3 bllks good? That's what I wrote down as my goal for him.
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18, 10, and 3 bllks good? That's what I wrote down as my goal for him.
Your goal for him as a rookie? Hmm. He'll be going against pros, but he'll also have pros on his team -- though not the greatest collection of them.
Your goal for him beyond his rookie season? Believe it or not, the last player to average 18-10-3 in a non-lockout year was David Robinson all the way back in 1995-96. A few players (very few, but a few) had the points and rebounds but were a fraction short of 3 blocks -- most recently, AD averaged 2.9 blocks (along with 24.4 points and 10.2 rebs in 2014-15). In other words, it's quite an accomplishment to average 18-10-3.
Can Wembanyama do it? The beautiful thing is that we don't have to guess how good he'll be; he'll show us exactly how good he'll be!
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Probably shoulda stopped ta see what Spears had in mind, aina?
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I’d bet on over 15 points, over 7 rebounds, and over 3 assists per game for him this year. Over 1 block, but he’s thin and 3 blocks is a lot.
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I’d bet on over 15 points, over 7 rebounds, and over 3 assists per game for him this year. Over 1 block, but he’s thin and 3 blocks is a lot.
That all seems very attainable as long as he stays healthy, wades.
A goal I have for him isn't really for him -- it's for announcers. Get his darn name right! Last night, Mark Jones called him "WembanyaNa" for most of the first half. Someone obviously got in Jones' ear and finally corrected him, because he started to say "Wem-ban-ya-ma" very slowly, annunciating the "yama" each time. Then, late in the game, said "yana" again. Shoulda just stuck with Wemby or Victor!
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Yes.
His first outing was predictable. He already has learned that 7-4 guys can’t try a bunch of fancy dribbles through traffic against NBA-caliber (or even near-NBA- caliber) players. He learned he needs to get stronger and tougher and in better shape. He learned that NBA players (even fringe ones) aren’t afraid or in awe of him.
But we all definitely saw glimpses of why he’s so highly touted. He’s a threat to block shots at the rim all the way out to the arc. He’s smooth. He moves well. He shot poorly but his form looked very good. He’s an outstanding passer and unselfish. He’s obviously very intelligent.
Sky’s the limit. I’m excited to see how good he becomes.
This is a very rational analysis/post.
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Probably shoulda stopped ta see what Spears had in mind, aina?
That’s against the bible
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A goal I have for him isn't really for him -- it's for announcers. Get his darn name right! Last night, Mark Jones called him "WembanyaNa" for most of the first half.
I want to hear Wenbanyamanamanah (Doo doo dah doo doo).
(https://media.tenor.com/jggMYMwK_OEAAAAC/sesame-street-mah-n%C3%A0mah-n%C3%A0.gif)
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Luka didn’t play Summer League. He had a full offseason of practices and NBA activities before playing his first NBA game with high level teammates and structure. And he went 10/8/4 and shot an abysmal 5/16 and 0/5 from 3. He averaged 22+ over his next 5 and shot much better.
Point being. It’s just 1 game. And it’s Summer League. Wemby will be fine and likely have a couple of WOW games and stretches during Summer League
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Luka didn’t play Summer League. He had a full offseason of practices and NBA activities before playing his first NBA game with high level teammates and structure. And he went 10/8/4 and shot an abysmal 5/16 and 0/5 from 3. He averaged 22+ over his next 5 and shot much better.
Point being. It’s just 1 game. And it’s Summer League. Wemby will be fine and likely have a couple of WOW games and stretches during Summer League
One of the Ball brothers, I think the one on the Bulls (I get them confused) started Summer League with like a 3-15 game and wound up as Summer League MVP.
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Here's The Athletic's quickie take of Wembanyama's summer debut:
In the most-hyped NBA Summer League game we can remember, Victor Wembanyama looked … mortal. With luminaries like Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Jerry West in the sold-out crowd, the Spurs’ No. 1 pick struggled offensively, scoring nine points on 2-of-13 shooting to go with eight rebounds and five blocks in a win over the Hornets. Cue the 2023 redrafts. (We kid.)
It was a good reminder that Wembanyama is still a 19-year-old kid transitioning to a new country, new employer and new competition. Not easy, even if you’re a wildly skilled 7-foot-4.
His first appearance showed the weight of expectation and need for patience, Marcus Thompson II writes. There’s a mental side to entering the league with more hype than any player since LeBron James. “Honestly, I didn’t really know what I was doing on the court tonight,” he said. “I’m trying to learn for next game.”
While Wembanyama’s best moments came on the defensive end, though the highlight of the game came at his expense when Hornets third-year center Kai Jones threw down an alley-oop over the rookie.
While it won’t be a video game every night, Wembanyama was still intriguing — and towering, Mike Vorkunov writes. That the mystique was still apparent on a night he didn’t have his shot is a sign itself that he’s special. (And just staying healthy was a win on Friday night — the Nos. 3 and 4 picks, Scoot Henderson and Amen Thompson, left the Blazers-Rockets game with injuries.)
Wembanyama’s coach certainly isn’t going anywhere. Gregg Popovich signed a five-year contract Saturday, committing to the Wemby project with a deal that will take him until he’s 79 years old.
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Wemby definitely needs to get stronger.
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And wiser. Spears ain't just sum trailer trash fangirl, hey?
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And wiser. Spears ain't just sum trailer trash fangirl, hey?
She's old enough to be Wemby's mom!
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Aggressive women with lotsa bread usually have away of getting what they want, aina?
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Aggressive women with lotsa bread usually have away of getting what they want, aina?
Wemby likely had no earthly idea who she was.
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Shirley, he watched Mickey Mouse Club, aina?
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Shirley, he watched Mickey Mouse Club, aina?
It was cancelled a decade before Wembanyama was born.
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Shirley, he watched Mickey Mouse Club, aina?
I'm sure he's heard of her obviously but maybe he's saving himself for Madonna.
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Wemby may be ok.
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He’ll be very good. Yes, he’ll get beat up at times. But he’s incredibly skilled and incredibly tall.
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Wemby may be ok.
He has a lot of impressive skills. He definitely needs to get stronger.
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Most 19 year-olds need to get stronger.
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Most 19 year-olds need to get stronger.
His ideal playing weight?
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Heel likely mary Brittany or at least goe on da honeymoon, hey?
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His ideal playing weight?
He's listed anywhere from 205-220. I think 245-250 would suit him well. He's never gonna be super thick but that will at least give him some more durability.
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His ideal playing weight?
Wemby has been quoted as saying he wants to do some lifting between now and training camp
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Will Jeff Van Gundy go to TNT now? He was the only person canned by ESPN that surprised me.
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Will Jeff Van Gundy go to TNT now? He was the only person canned by ESPN that surprised me.
Current ESPN contract with the NBA ends in '24-'25, iirc. Hopefully TNT steals it from them. ESPN does a pretty poor job with their NBA product.
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Current ESPN contract with the NBA ends in '24-'25, iirc. Hopefully TNT steals it from them. ESPN does a pretty poor job with their NBA product.
No doubt about that. Breen is good and that 3 man team had been together a long time. The non broadcasters at ESPN covering the NBA are beyond awful.
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Has there been any discussion of the NBA's in-season tournament (https://www.nba.com/news/in-season-tournament-101) (the "NBA Cup") on here? I looked but didn't see anything. Rarely does sports news like this completely sneak up on me, but I hadn't heard anything about this until my daughter mentioned it yesterday.
I think it sounds kind of cool. We'll see how it plays out.
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Trying something fun at the beginning of the season. Worth a shot.
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Trying something fun at the beginning of the season. Worth a shot.
I agree. Why not? Maybe it's fantastic. Maybe it sucks. But worth a shot. It's not like November basketball is particularly compelling. If it makes a few of the 82 games a bit more interesting -- and I think it will -- then I think it's a good thing.
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Looking forward to the chance to win midseason silverware. Should be a blast?
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Looking forward to the chance to win midseason silverware. Should be a blast?
The NBA's CBI. Maybe the Bulls and Magic can hang a banner.
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The 1st episode of the Goliath doc on Wilt Chamberlain is excellent, can't wait to finish the other 2.
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The 1st episode of the Goliath doc on Wilt Chamberlain is excellent, can't wait to finish the other 2.
Where can I watch that? I see Showtime but that's it.
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Where can I watch that? I see Showtime but that's it.
Showtime only for now.
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Showtime only for now.
Ty.
Wilt was very cool. I have to laugh when the so called experts slot him out of the top 10. Look at his numbers and deal with reality. :)
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Wilt's a tough player to slot on all-time lists.
Statistically, he's absolutely top 5 and arguably #1. And it's not as if he only lost; his teams won a huge percentage of their games. He also won two NBA titles -- 1 more than Oscar and Dr. J, the same as Hakeem and Durant, 2 more than Mailman and Stockton, only 1 fewer than Bird, etc. His impact was huge, too -- the literally changed the rules to make him less dominant.
But he so often couldn't lift his team past Russell's Celtics, and he lost to the Knicks when Willis Reed could barely walk. And lots of people didn't like him because he was a trash-talker back when that wasn't considered cool and because he wanted to get paid and because he was "selfish." So he gets docked in some rankings.
The only players I'd definitely rank ahead of Wilt are Jordan, Magic and LeBron. Excellent arguments could be made for Kareem and Russell. I don't see how anybody else could possibly be ahead of him.
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Wilt's a tough player to slot on all-time lists.
Statistically, he's absolutely top 5 and arguably #1. And it's not as if he only lost; his teams won a huge percentage of their games. He also won two NBA titles -- 1 more than Oscar and Dr. J, the same as Hakeem and Durant, 2 more than Mailman and Stockton, only 1 fewer than Bird, etc. His impact was huge, too -- the literally changed the rules to make him less dominant.
But he so often couldn't lift his team past Russell's Celtics, and he lost to the Knicks when Willis Reed could barely walk. And lots of people didn't like him because he was a trash-talker back when that wasn't considered cool and because he wanted to get paid and because he was "selfish." So he gets docked in some rankings.
The only players I'd definitely rank ahead of Wilt are Jordan, Magic and LeBron. Excellent arguments could be made for Kareem and Russell. I don't see how anybody else could possibly be ahead of him.
I'm surprised you would slot Magic ahead of Kareem. My take is it's literally insane not to have Wilt in the top 10 and probably top 5. I believe Stephen A. Smith had him outside the top 10. LOL.
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I'm surprised you would slot Magic ahead of Kareem. My take is it's literally insane not to have Wilt in the top 10 and probably top 5. I believe Stephen A. Smith had him outside the top 10. LOL.
I appreciate Kareem for sure - what a great career. It wouldn't take a lot of arm-twisting to put him right with Magic, but I'm obviously a big believer in everything Magic brought to the table.
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The Lakers wouldn't have been the dominant team of the 80s without both Magic and Kareem, but IMO Magic was more important for those teams than Kareem was. The Lakers were actually pretty average before Magic arrived despite Kareem being at his peak, and I know it was more than just his addition, but they turned it around instantly after he got on board.
And Magic got to the Finals once without Kareem as well.
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The Lakers wouldn't have been the dominant team of the 80s without both Magic and Kareem, but IMO Magic was more important for those teams than Kareem was. The Lakers were actually pretty average before Magic arrived despite Kareem being at his peak, and I know it was more than just his addition, but they turned it around instantly after he got on board.
And Magic got to the Finals once without Kareem as well.
I think Kareem had a decent career in Milwaukee.
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It's not a slam dunk. I rate Magic a little higher than Kareem but I totally could see it being the other way around.
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I think Kareem had a decent career in Milwaukee.
Undoubtedly. I was specifically talking about his time with the Lakers. I guess whether or not that was his "peak" is debatable.
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Kareem is one of the top-5 basketball players of all-time. Include his amateur career and it’s to find anyone who has as complete a record.
Had to play on the freshman team in college. Played three dominant seasons on varsity. If he doesn’t have to play college ball, who knows what his final career numbers
He gets lost because Magic was the face of the Lakers along with Pat Riley. Was finals MVP in 1985.
Any discussion without him is silly
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Kareem is one of the top-5 basketball players of all-time. Include his amateur career and it’s to find anyone who has as complete a record.
Had to play on the freshman team in college. Played three dominant seasons on varsity. If he doesn’t have to play college ball, who knows what his final career numbers
He gets lost because Magic was the face of the Lakers along with Pat Riley. Was finals MVP in 1985.
Any discussion without him is silly
Agreed. In my opinion, him and Duncan are the two players who are widely considered all time greats, yet are still underrated/underappreciated.
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Undoubtedly. I was specifically talking about his time with the Lakers. I guess whether or not that was his "peak" is debatable.
That and trying to give Magic a "point" by saying he made it to a Finals without Kareem. Kareem averaged over 30 points a game in Milwaukee, and won a ring
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Kareem is one of the top-5 basketball players of all-time. Include his amateur career and it’s to find anyone who has as complete a record.
Had to play on the freshman team in college. Played three dominant seasons on varsity. If he doesn’t have to play college ball, who knows what his final career numbers
He gets lost because Magic was the face of the Lakers along with Pat Riley. Was finals MVP in 1985.
Any discussion without him is silly
I rank him ahead of MJ and LeBron.
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That and trying to give Magic a "point" by saying he made it to a Finals without Kareem. Kareem averaged over 30 points a game in Milwaukee, and won a ring
I was specifically talking about their role on the Lakers. Kareem didn't get to the Finals without Magic in LA. Closest he got was a blowout sweep by the Blazers in the WCF. But Magic did get there without Kareem.
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I was specifically talking about their role on the Lakers. Kareem didn't get to the Finals without Magic in LA. Closest he got was a blowout sweep by the Blazers in the WCF. But Magic did get there without Kareem.
So you’re comparing it to Curry and Durant- except in that case, you defend Durant despite not being able to win without Curry.
A bit of an inconsistent argument.
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I rank him ahead of MJ and LeBron.
I do, too. If we’re talking just NBA, fine, put those two ahead of him. Overall body of work? Kareem has the edge, imo.
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I do, too. If we’re talking just NBA, fine, put those two ahead of him. Overall body of work? Kareem has the edge, imo.
What body of work?
LeBron was going all-star games, leading teams to the NBA playoffs and scoring 30+ ppg in the league at the same age Kareem was dominating undersized and overwhelmed teenagers in college.
Put 20-21 year old LeBron on those UCLA teams, and I don't imagine the results being any different.
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What body of work?
Exactly. What professional athletes in baseball, football, hockey, basketball, etc. did before they reached “the show” is beside the point in discussions about the GOAT. For example, nobody talks about Brady’s less than spectacular career at Michigan. Or looks at minor league stats of Aaron vs Mays.
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So you’re comparing it to Curry and Durant- except in that case, you defend Durant despite not being able to win without Curry.
A bit of an inconsistent argument.
??? There is no inconsistency. I think Magic was more important that Kareem in the Lakers success, but said that they would not have been the best team of the 80s without both. They may not have even won a championship if one of them weren't on the team.
What does that have to do with Durant being the better player than Curry when they were on the Warriors together?
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Exactly. What professional athletes in baseball, football, hockey, basketball, etc. did before they reached “the show” is beside the point in discussions about the GOAT. For example, nobody talks about Brady’s less than spectacular career at Michigan. Or looks at minor league stats of Aaron vs Mays.
OMG. Lenny and Pakuni agree on something! With that being said, most on here who dont have Kareem above Magic never saw Kareem in his prime. Not 33 year old Kareem with the goggles. but Kareem averaging 35 and 17 and 5 with the Bucks and 6 MVPs vs 3 for Magic
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I saw all of Kareem's career. He was effen great. Magic was effen great, too.
Body of work? Like Lew, Magic also was pretty darn good in high school and college.
Both were super-duper-duper stars and deserving of all accolades.
I still rank Jordan and James ahead of both, but respect those who disagree.
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What body of work?
LeBron was going all-star games, leading teams to the NBA playoffs and scoring 30+ ppg in the league at the same age Kareem was dominating undersized and overwhelmed teenagers in college.
Put 20-21 year old LeBron on those UCLA teams, and I don't imagine the results being any different.
And we can say the same about Kareem had he been able to play in the NBA out of high school.
He gets dismissed because he played with Magic
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Exactly. What professional athletes in baseball, football, hockey, basketball, etc. did before they reached “the show” is beside the point in discussions about the GOAT. For example, nobody talks about Brady’s less than spectacular career at Michigan. Or looks at minor league stats of Aaron vs Mays.
Kareem changed the game of basketball from high school through the pros. It absolutely should matter.
The same way Lebron did living up to the hype
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Is Magic automatically better than Bird? It seems to me it's about 60/40.
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I saw all of Kareem's career. He was effen great. Magic was effen great, too.
Body of work? Like Lew, Magic also was pretty darn good in high school and college.
Both were super-duper-duper stars and deserving of all accolades.
I still rank Jordan and James ahead of both, but respect those who disagree.
As an aside, I thought Greg Kelser had the best game of anyone in that Championship game MSU v ISU.
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Is Magic automatically better than Bird? It seems to me it's about 60/40.
Yes. Not even a question.
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He gets dismissed because he played with Magic
Unk, being a top-5 all-time player that some might rank a tiny tad behind Jordan, James and Magic isn't the same as getting "dismissed."
Is Magic automatically better than Bird?
Sure.
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Unk, being a top-5 all-time player that some might rank a tiny tad behind Jordan, James and Magic isn't the same as getting "dismissed."
Sure.
Poorly worded. Dismissed by the general basketball populace when this discussion comes up, not necessarily scoop
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Poorly worded. Dismissed by the general basketball populace when this discussion comes up, not necessarily scoop
Understood.
And now that I re-read my response to Muggs it might seem I'm dismissing Bird. That certainly wasn't my intent. Magic was better in the minds and eyes of most non-Celtic-fan observers, but Bird obviously was a hell of a player.
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Understood.
And now that I re-read my response to Muggs it might seem I'm dismissing Bird. That certainly wasn't my intent. Magic was better in the minds and eyes of most non-Celtic-fan observers, but Bird obviously was a hell of a player.
I’d take Bird over Magic and I hated the Celtics.
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Yes. Not even a question.
It's not a ridiculous question.
Stats nerds have them pretty close, especially when comparing their peak years.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/lebron-or-mj-raptor-picks-the-best-nba-players-of-the-past-40-years/
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=nba+player+efficiency+rating+leaders+all-time
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/vorp_career.html
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It's not a ridiculous question.
Stats nerds have them pretty close, especially when comparing their peak years.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/lebron-or-mj-raptor-picks-the-best-nba-players-of-the-past-40-years/
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=nba+player+efficiency+rating+leaders+all-time
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/vorp_career.html
I didn't think it was a ridiculous question.
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Petrocelli, wen ewe played with Alcindor at Power Memorial, did Lew ever talk 'bout Al checkin' fore cracked sidewalks in front of hiz crib, hey?
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Is Magic automatically better than Bird? It seems to me it's about 60/40.
51/49
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https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=nba+player+efficiency+rating+leaders+all-time
Anyone know how they figure out the PER of the old timers when steals and blocks weren't really tracked?
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My favorite guy of that era is Moses. Why is he so disrespected? :) I also like Dominique, Bernard King, and George Gervin.
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Bird was like a smaller Jokic?? But a better pure scorer?
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I’d take Bird over Magic and I hated the Celtics.
We’ll respectfully agree to disagree, Unk.
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How good was Nate Archibald in the DPR? Diminutive Player Rankings. Behind Thomas, Stockton, and CP3?
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My favorite guy of that era is Moses. Why is he so disrespected? :) I also like Dominique, Bernard King, and George Gervin.
I don’t think so. He is not in the top tier with Kareem, Wilt, Russell, Duncan, Robinson.
But still a top 20-25 all timer.
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I don’t think so. He is not in the top tier with Kareem, Wilt, Russell, Duncan, Robinson.
But still a top 20-25 all timer.
He's a 3 time MVP I believe. My hot take is that he and Elgin Baylor should get a bit more credit.
Hold up a sec.....Robinson? Did you mean Hakeem and did you forget about Shaq?
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My bad....only two MVP's.
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Your 9 man rotation in this era?
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He's a 3 time MVP I believe. My hot take is that he and Elgin Baylor should get a bit more credit.
Hold up a sec.....Robinson? Did you mean Hakeem and did you forget about Shaq?
Yes, Robinson. But I neglected to add Shaq and Hakeem.
Si, yes Moses doesn’t get enough props, but it is because of all the great centers.
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Yes, Robinson. But I neglected to add Shaq and Hakeem.
Si, yes Moses doesn’t get enough props, but it is because of all the great centers.
I haven't heard many people put Robinson ahead of Moses. And he clearly wasn't as good as Shaq or Hakeem.
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I don’t think so. He is not in the top tier with Kareem, Wilt, Russell, Duncan, Robinson.
But still a top 20-25 all timer.
I missed the comma at first and thought you were nuts
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I missed the comma at first and thought you were nuts
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Your 9 man rotation in this era?
Starting
Guards: Luka & Steph
Wings: Giannis, Tatum
C: Joker
Bench
Bron, Booker, Embiid, KD
Honorable mention
Shai, Dame, Ja, Mitchell, and a healthy AD
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Starting
Guards: Luka & Steph
Wings: Giannis, Tatum
C: Joker
Bench
Bron, Booker, Embiid, KD
Honorable mention
Shai, Dame, Ja, Mitchell, and a healthy AD
No love for JFB?
Jimmy has ranked 6th, 14th and 5th in PER the past three seasons.
Ja is 17th, 9th and 103rd.
Mitchell is 19th, 29th and 32nd
Book is 23rd, 33rd and 58th
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Wings: Giannis, Tatum
Hah.
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Yes. Not even a question.
Magic gets the nod, but your dismissal of Bird is weird.
The resumes for the two are both amazing, Bird was clearly the better defender.
Both had their careers cut short. The who was better Magic or Bird is a long lasting argument for a reason.
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Magic gets the nod, but your dismissal of Bird is weird.
The resumes for the two are both amazing, Bird was clearly the better defender.
Both had their careers cut short. The who was better Magic or Bird is a long lasting argument for a reason.
Both guys are before my time forgetful but I echo your sentiments and was shocked by Fluffy's statement. Maybe he just wasn't thinking clearly?
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Magic gets the nod, but your dismissal of Bird is weird.
The resumes for the two are both amazing, Bird was clearly the better defender.
Both had their careers cut short. The who was better Magic or Bird is a long lasting argument for a reason.
You continuously overrate Bird - at one point you claimed he was better than Lebron. So I'm not taking any opinion you have on the matter seriously.
Magic was clearly better. Not even a question.
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Both guys are before my time forgetful but I echo your sentiments and was shocked by Fluffy's statement. Maybe he just wasn't thinking clearly?
I saw them hundreds of times. I have no problem with someone thinking Magic was better or vice versa.
To dismiss Bird as vastly inferior is silly.
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I saw them hundreds of times. I have no problem with someone thinking Magic was better or vice versa.
To dismiss Bird as vastly inferior is silly.
I never said he was "vastly inferior." The gulf between them wasn't wide, but it was clear.
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I never said he was "vastly inferior." The gulf between them wasn't wide, but it was clear.
My bad. So basically we just disagree.
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Starting
Guards: Luka & Steph
Wings: Giannis, Tatum
C: Joker
Bench
Bron, Booker, Embiid, KD
Honorable mention
Shai, Dame, Ja, Mitchell, and a healthy AD
I was thinking if you could choose 9 players from any era to play in today's game? It's extremely difficult imo.
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You continuously overrate Bird - at one point you claimed he was better than Lebron. So I'm not taking any opinion you have on the matter seriously.
Magic was clearly better. Not even a question.
Unnecessary attack here Fluffy. You seem to not be thinking clearly on this one and your clarifications haven't really helped. As stated above there's a reason why people have debated this question.
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(Teal) Giannis supports murder if journalists?!
https://twitter.com/giannis_an34/status/1683549442287255552?s=46&t=G2FhP_F2kWewaBOpvRv5lg
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Jaylen Brown gets the biggest contract in NBA history.
Zoom!
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Jaylen Brown gets the biggest contract in NBA history.
Zoom!
Nice score for a guy that might barely be top 20 in the league.
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Jaylen Brown gets the biggest contract in NBA history.
Zoom!
I overshot him earlier last season but Wow. I'm shocked the C's did this.
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Incredible for a guy with shoddy handles and no left hand. Tatum is gonna make $500MM
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The feeling is they "had" to do it. And now that it's been proven over and over and over again that guys with humongous, multiyear contracts can still be traded, I guess the decision wasn't all that tough for them.
But it still does make you do a double-take when such a flawed player -- not to mention a guy who isn't even close to being his team's best player and who hasn't won a thing -- can get the richest contract in the history of the sport.
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Tatum and Brown both fold in big moments, and I don't see them getting any more resilient. I'm not sure the Celtics will make it past the 2nd round of the playoffs with those guys.
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Tatum and Brown both fold in big moments, and I don't see them getting any more resilient. I'm not sure the Celtics will make it past the 2nd round of the playoffs with those guys.
What? They’ve only been past the 2nd round of the Playoffs with those guys 5 times with Brown (in 7 seasons) and 4 times with Tatum (in 6 seasons)…
Tatum had 46 and 9 in game 6 at Milwaukee last year and had 51 and 13 in game 7 against the 76ers this year.
They’re 26 and 25 years old and have been to a Finals and 4/3 other Conference Finals.
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What? They’ve only been past the 2nd round of the Playoffs with those guys 5 times with Brown (in 7 seasons) and 4 times with Tatum (in 6 seasons)…
Tatum had 46 and 9 in game 6 at Milwaukee last year and had 51 and 13 in game 7 against the 76ers this year.
They’re 26 and 25 years old and have been to a Finals and 4/3 other Conference Finals.
They can inconsistently put up some big numbers, but both of them fold when the going gets tough. Nothing against their talent or their ability to put up big numbers.
My argument is that the Cs just traded away guys that played with a chip on their shoulder (Smart and Grant Williams) and kept the guys that haven't found their confidence yet in bigger moments. You need to have *someone* willing to play with toughness even when things get rough. Both Brown and Tatum get caught up in their own feelings for entire games if they get punched in the teeth.
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They can inconsistently put up some big numbers, but both of them fold when the going gets tough. Nothing against their talent or their ability to put up big numbers.
My argument is that the Cs just traded away guys that played with a chip on their shoulder (Smart and Grant Williams) and kept the guys that haven't found their confidence yet in bigger moments. You need to have *someone* willing to play with toughness even when things get rough. Both Brown and Tatum get caught up in their own feelings for entire games if they get punched in the teeth.
Tatum is 25, Brown is 26. I'm surprised Brown got that much but it could be because the salary cap is going way up. As far as "folding when things get tough" Tatum has had duds but he's also had a number of huge playoff performances. Again, he's 25. I think in his case you're being a bit too harsh.
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They can inconsistently put up some big numbers, but both of them fold when the going gets tough. Nothing against their talent or their ability to put up big numbers.
My argument is that the Cs just traded away guys that played with a chip on their shoulder (Smart and Grant Williams) and kept the guys that haven't found their confidence yet in bigger moments. You need to have *someone* willing to play with toughness even when things get rough. Both Brown and Tatum get caught up in their own feelings for entire games if they get punched in the teeth.
Sure, if we ignore the big games they had in giant moments those guys haven't proven they can step up in the biggest games.
Tatum is one of my least favorite players in the NBA. His constant crying at the refs is annoying. But the fact that you think the C's can't get past the second round with Tatum/Brown when those two have gone past the second round in 5 of Brown's 7 years in the NBA and 4 of Tatum's 6 years in the NBA says you might have some black and red colored sunglasses on. They've been past the second round more times in 4 (Brown) and 5 (Tatum) fewer years in the NBA than Himmy (3 times).
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For me, it was just the momentary shock of "Wait, Jaylen Brown is the highest-paid player in NBA history"?
It's just the way the collective bargaining agreement works and the fact that the Celtics pretty much had to do this.
Brown obviously is talented. It took Jordan and Pippen years to win a title; maybe next season will be Tatum and Brown's turn. Or maybe they'll be Stockton and Malone; most long-time NBA observers don't consider them to be "failures."
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Other Lebron related news
https://nypost.com/2023/07/26/woman-in-vegas-brawl-is-exec-for-lebron-james-tequila/amp/
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Van Gundy and Jackson out ... Doc Rivers and Doris Burke in as analysts on ESPN's top NBA announcing crew. Mike Breen continues as PBP man.
https://nypost.com/2023/07/31/espn-hiring-doc-rivers-demoting-mark-jackson-promoting-doris-burke/
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"For me, it was just the momentary shock of "Wait, Jaylen Brown is the highest-paid player in NBA history"?"
for the moment anyway
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Van Gundy and Jackson out ... Doc Rivers and Doris Burke in as analysts on ESPN's top NBA announcing crew. Mike Breen continues as PBP man.
https://nypost.com/2023/07/31/espn-hiring-doc-rivers-demoting-mark-jackson-promoting-doris-burke/
That is atrociously brutal. Hopefully TNT hires those two.
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That is atrociously brutal. Hopefully TNT hires those two.
Mark Jackson is terrible
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Mark Jackson is terrible
He’s bad, but he balances out Van Gundy well.
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Who is going to be stuck with Mark Jones?
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He’s bad, but he balances out Van Gundy well.
Breaking up that trio doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me even if Jackson is the weak link.
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Who is going to be stuck with Mark Jones?
America
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America
10/10 on that one Uncle R.
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Stick to sports? Shut up and dribble?
https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/02/politics/orlando-magic-desantis-super-pac-donation/index.html
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Orlando is owned by members of the Devos family.
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Orlando is owned by members of the Devos family.
Are we not men?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/54/Are_We_Not_Men_We_Are_Devo%21.jpg)
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Bravo.
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Stick to sports? Shut up and dribble?
https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/02/politics/orlando-magic-desantis-super-pac-donation/index.html
They don't want to get Disneyed. Their Black players are probably cool with the slavery-as-jobs-program position, too.
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Rick Barry on Jaylen Brown contract . The imbedded video is excellent .
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10085820-video-nba-champion-rick-barry-blasts-jaylen-browns-304m-celtics-supermax-contract.amp.html
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Harden will not be playing for the Sixers again. Philly is pretty much screwed because I don't see them getting much for him.
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Harden will not be playing for the Sixers again. Philly is pretty much screwed because I don't see them getting much for him.
Harden=No Rings, very few finals appearance, high drama. Money better spent elsewhere.
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Harden should have never opted in for this year, but I think he is finding out that people don't view him as the star he once was.
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Harden should have never opted in for this year, but I think he is finding out that people don't view him as the star he once was.
They may have no choice but to trade him. Unless Morey is canned.
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Harden should have never opted in for this year, but I think he is finding out that people don't view him as the star he once was.
Now I could be 100% wrong about this, but I thought the Sixers asked him to sign the extension to make it easier to trade him for good value. He maybe pissed that he signed the deal and the Sixers reneged on their side of the deal.
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Now I could be 100% wrong about this, but I thought the Sixers asked him to sign the extension to make it easier to trade him for good value. He maybe pissed that he signed the deal and the Sixers reneged on their side of the deal.
IIRC, he signed his player option at the team's suggestion
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IIRC, he signed his player option at the team's suggestion
Yes. He redid his deal last year to create cap space and got the player option.
So while I am not a big Harden fan, I get why he is upset. He could have simply declined his option. But I'm sure he thought a trade would come with a big extension, which is easier if you are already under contract.
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Yes. He redid his deal last year to create cap space and got the player option.
So while I am not a big Harden fan, I get why he is upset. He could have simply declined his option. But I'm sure he thought a trade would come with a big extension, which is easier if you are already under contract.
Not a Harden fan either and I agree it sounds like he has valid reasons to be pissed.
I kinda hope the Sixers get a bad of used balls (or any Bulls player) back for him.
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Yeah I'm curious how much the Clips were included in the back and forth when he opted in. It seems that's the only team he's really interested in playing in and there may have been a couple leaps of faith here (Harden that the Sixers would trade him to the Clips, the Sixers that the Clips would give them anything in return).
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Yes. He redid his deal last year to create cap space and got the player option.
So while I am not a big Harden fan, I get why he is upset. He could have simply declined his option. But I'm sure he thought a trade would come with a big extension, which is easier if you are already under contract.
I get it but you cannot guarantee a player that a trade, especially with those variables, is a sure thing. That doesn't excuse Morey but Harden has requested 3 trades in 3 years?
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Much like the Hausers not wanting to play with Herro or Markus, it seems as though there’s a common denominator in this equation.
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Much like the Hausers not wanting to play with Herro or Markus, it seems as though there’s a common denominator in this equation.
correction-"much like the hauser not wanting to play with herro or markus...
and what's the common denominator again?
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correction-"much like the hauser not wanting to play with herro or markus...
and what's the common denominator again?
Were you correcting me or asking a question?
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Were you correcting me or asking a question?
Neither, if we are being honest with ourselves.
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The Athletic has come out with its annual "NBA Tiers" series.
There are 3 players in Tier 1A: Giannis, Steph and Jokic.
There also are 3 in Tier 1B: KD, Embiid and Luka.
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The Athletic has come out with its annual "NBA Tiers" series.
There are 3 players in Tier 1A: Giannis, Steph and Jokic.
There also are 3 in Tier 1B: KD, Embiid and Luka.
I guess they assume Kawhi will never be healthy again.
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I guess they assume Kawhi will never be healthy again.
He's in Tier 2A with Jimmy, Lebron, Tatum, Booker, AD, Morant, and Dame.
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I'd take more than just 5 players over Embiid if I was looking to win a title and/or starting my franchise from scratch.
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The Athletic has come out with its annual "NBA Tiers" series.
There are 3 players in Tier 1A: Giannis, Steph and Jokic.
There also are 3 in Tier 1B: KD, Embiid and Luka.
JFB should be in Tier1B
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He's in Tier 2A with Jimmy, Lebron, Tatum, Booker, AD, Morant, and Dame.
It was interesting to see him dominate Phoenix before his knee gave out again. Peak Kawhi is awfully good but he cannot stay healthy.
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It's hard to say a guy is one of the best 6 players in the world when he can't play due to injuries year after year after year.
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It's hard to say a guy is one of the best 6 players in the world when he can't play due to injuries year after year after year.
Yep. Kawhi hasn't played more than 60 games in the regular season since 2016-2017. Other stars that are his age or older like Curry, Dame, CP3, even a bruiser like Draymond or tough physical defender like Jrue, have all surpassed 60 3,4, even 5 times in that stretch. Lebron is significantly older, has way more wear and tear on him, AND load manages...and still passed 60 games 3 times since Kawhi has.
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And arguably more than that, Wags, a guy has to be available for the playoffs.
The last two seasons, the Clippers have played in 5 playoff games and 2 play-in games. Kawhi has played in 2 of the 7.
The guy's an incredible player, and one of the great clutch players. But if he doesn't play ...
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Yep. Kawhi hasn't played more than 60 games in the regular season since 2016-2017. Other stars that are his age or older like Curry, Dame, CP3, even a bruiser like Draymond or tough physical defender like Jrue, have all surpassed 60 3,4, even 5 times in that stretch. Lebron is significantly older, has way more wear and tear on him, AND load manages...and still passed 60 games 3 times since Kawhi has.
I generally agree with everything you've stated but the fact that he has a couple of rings (and 1 with his 2nd best player being Lowry or Siakam) gives him more leeway imo. I think we can all agree that his best is in that top 6?
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Jamal Murray probably should be in that 2A.tier?
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I generally agree with everything you've stated but the fact that he has a couple of rings (and 1 with his 2nd best player being Lowry or Siakam) gives him more leeway imo. I think we can all agree that his best is in that top 6?
Sure. And LeBron's best from several years ago would make him #1.
But this isn't several years ago for either of them; LeBron is still great but he's got a lot of mileage on the engine, and Kawhi is great but he's rarely healthy these last few years.
I mean, there are some who believe Bill Walton would have been a top-20 all-time NBA player if he had been healthy, or that Gale Sayers would've been the best RB ever if he had been healthy. Damn big "if," though, because they were both hurt a lot. So we'll never know.
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https://www.basketballnetwork.net/latest-news/sam-mitchell-claims-anthony-davis-holds-more-value-than-giannis-antetokounmpo
Lol. People need to start checking out AD's shooting percentages. I don't know where the idea that he has the ability to shoot came from. He's never shot above 34% from 3 in a season and is a career 30% three point shooter. He's always been a bad shooter, and he's been a horrible shooter the last three years. 26% from 3, 19% (!) from 3, 26% from 3 the last 3 years.
Don't get me wrong, AD is a great player. But he has to be one of the more overrated players of this generation. In terms of superstars that give your team a shot to win a title, he's behind Harden and Russ and probably on the same level as Embiid as far as being overrated.
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https://www.basketballnetwork.net/latest-news/sam-mitchell-claims-anthony-davis-holds-more-value-than-giannis-antetokounmpo
Lol. People need to start checking out AD's shooting percentages. I don't know where the idea that he has the ability to shoot came from. He's never shot above 34% from 3 in a season and is a career 30% three point shooter. He's always been a bad shooter, and he's been a horrible shooter the last three years. 26% from 3, 19% (!) from 3, 26% from 3 the last 3 years.
Don't get me wrong, AD is a great player. But he has to be one of the more overrated players of this generation. In terms of superstars that give your team a shot to win a title, he's behind Harden and Russ and probably on the same level as Embiid as far as being overrated.
Just to clarify, are you saying that currently AD gives you less of a chance to win a title than Russ and Harden? Or is this at their peaks?
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https://www.basketballnetwork.net/latest-news/sam-mitchell-claims-anthony-davis-holds-more-value-than-giannis-antetokounmpo
Lol. People need to start checking out AD's shooting percentages. I don't know where the idea that he has the ability to shoot came from. He's never shot above 34% from 3 in a season and is a career 30% three point shooter. He's always been a bad shooter, and he's been a horrible shooter the last three years. 26% from 3, 19% (!) from 3, 26% from 3 the last 3 years.
Don't get me wrong, AD is a great player. But he has to be one of the more overrated players of this generation. In terms of superstars that give your team a shot to win a title, he's behind Harden and Russ and probably on the same level as Embiid as far as being overrated.
If you discount defense completely then yeah
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Just to clarify, are you saying that currently AD gives you less of a chance to win a title than Russ and Harden? Or is this at their peaks?
I meant at their peaks. And sorry, I meant that the only more overrated players in terms of a player who helps your team win a title are Russ and Harden.
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I meant at their peaks. And sorry, I meant that the only more overrated players in terms of a player who helps your team win a title are Russ and Harden.
Ah ok, while I’m not sure I agree that is far less egregious than I initially interpreted it lol.
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There are a bunch of good players in this Canada/France game. USA is going to have their hands full.
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S-G-A is no joke. What an incredible trade that was for OKC. The guy really has no weaknesses. I'm trying to think of the guards I would take ahead of him considering his age.
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There are a bunch of good players in this Canada/France game. USA is going to have their hands full.
Canada sure, SGA is a PROBLEM. He’s been unreal today.
But France, not at all with this roster. Bunch of aging guys with decent euro players. US should beat them by 20 easy. Look at what Canada is doing to them. Nobody outside of Gobert would be even in the rotation for the US
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He's in Tier 2A with Jimmy, Lebron, Tatum, Booker, AD, Morant, and Dame.
They/We CLEARLY missed a guy in Tier 2A and he's arguably 1B in S-G-A. The guy is unbelievable. I don't think I take Doncic ahead of him.
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They/We CLEARLY missed a guy in Tier 2A and he's arguably 1B in S-G-A. The guy is unbelievable. I don't think I take Doncic ahead of him.
I''ll gladly lineup to draft after you
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I''ll gladly lineup to draft after you
I think he's so much better defensively that I'd probably take him but maybe I'm jumping the gun. He did average 31.4 ppg last year and was quite efficient. He also has pretty good turn stats for someone who has the ball so much.
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How good is Edwards? Wadeesque? He does have tier 1 blow by speed. What's his ceiling? He's only 22.
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Congrats to Latvia.
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How good is Edwards? Wadeesque? He does have tier 1 blow by speed. What's his ceiling? He's only 22.
IMO his ceiling has less to do with his physical abilities and more to do with his drive. He's had bouts of not giving a unnatural carnal knowledge.
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I'm not always right about college players and their potential in the NBA but I was astonished Brunson fell to the 2nd Rd. Now, I didn't think he was this good but what in the world were NBA GM's thinking? Mark Cuban fked up re-signing him big-time. His footwork and change of speed/direction off the bounce is tremendous. Tyko reminds me a little of Brunson.
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TyTy Washington on a 2 way deal for the Bucks isn't the worst thing. They'll need some kind of backup point guard, and we've see Wiggington already. Definitely better than having Drew Timme on a two way.
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I'm not always right about college players and their potential in the NBA but I was astonished Brunson fell to the 2nd Rd. Now, I didn't think he was this good but what in the world were NBA GM's thinking? Mark Cuban fked up re-signing him big-time. His footwork and change of speed/direction off the bounce is tremendous. Tyko reminds me a little of Brunson.
Brunson - TyKo is a good comparison. I think Brunson is a little more under control. I think on balance we are better off with Tyler being a little more loose. JMHO.
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Brunson - TyKo is a good comparison. I think Brunson is a little more under control. I think on balance we are better off with Tyler being a little more loose. JMHO.
Yes. Brunson is so fundamentally sound and a better scorer. But if I was Tyko that's the guy I'd be watching a lot of tape of. I do believe Kolek can play at the NBA level but perhaps needs to work a bit on his catch and shoot trifecta and get better defensively.
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Saw some discussion about this recently, and was wondering what others think.
The question: How many ppg would prime Michael Jordan score in todays game?
My guess is 40-45 ppg depending on the caliber of teammates. The reasoning: He was averaging 30+ in an era when scoring/pace was significantly lower and largely no one came close to challenging his scoring prominence. His only season at tempos near todays he put up over 37 ppg, and that was still at a slower pace, with hand checking, centers that could camp under the rim, and without an established 3 point focus.
His later "prime seasons" showed he could shoot the 3 effectively.
I know comparing eras is a bit of a fools errand, but I also think many who predominantly watch this era have no idea how dominant MJ was.
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Jordan would average a sh!t-ton - your 40-45 estimate sounds reasonable - and he'd still be the best player in the game. I agree he'd hit plenty of 3s.
I do wonder if he'd do what other superstars do now and take some nights off. It's something Jordan refused to do back when he played. Hell, even in 2002-03, when he was 39 and on a bad Wizards team, he played all 82 games.
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Jordan would average a sh!t-ton - your 40-45 estimate sounds reasonable - and he'd still be the best player in the game. I agree he'd hit plenty of 3s.
I do wonder if he'd do what other superstars do now and take some nights off. It's something Jordan refused to do back when he played. Hell, even in 2002-03, when he was 39 and on a bad Wizards team, he played all 82 games.
As crazy is it sounds about the greatest individual brand ever...... MJ was a player and competitor first and a brand second.
Not the case with players these days.
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Yes. Brunson is so fundamentally sound and a better scorer. But if I was Tyko that's the guy I'd be watching a lot of tape of. I do believe Kolek can play at the NBA level but perhaps needs to work a bit on his catch and shoot trifecta and get better defensively.
Also needs to be able to effortlessly use his non dominant hand
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Jordan would average a sh!t-ton - your 40-45 estimate sounds reasonable - and he'd still be the best player in the game. I agree he'd hit plenty of 3s.
I do wonder if he'd do what other superstars do now and take some nights off. It's something Jordan refused to do back when he played. Hell, even in 2002-03, when he was 39 and on a bad Wizards team, he played all 82 games.
I was reading about the "load management" issue, and the players say it is a directive from the team, and not the stars asking for the night off. Whether or not that is the case, but that is what many of the NBA stars say. They say they want to play 82 games, but the team's bean counters have a magic formula.
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I was reading about the "load management" issue, and the players say it is a directive from the team, and not the stars asking for the night off. Whether or not that is the case, but that is what many of the NBA stars say. They say they want to play 82 games, but the team's bean counters have a magic formula.
I had wondered if that was true, and figure that Jordan would largely have no choice but to "load manage." But, maybe that makes him more likely to keep playing and not go play baseball or retire the 1st/2nd time.
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I was reading about the "load management" issue, and the players say it is a directive from the team, and not the stars asking for the night off. Whether or not that is the case, but that is what many of the NBA stars say. They say they want to play 82 games, but the team's bean counters have a magic formula.
Not sure it’s the “bean counters,” but the training staff.
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Saw some discussion about this recently, and was wondering what others think.
The question: How many ppg would prime Michael Jordan score in todays game?
My guess is 40-45 ppg depending on the caliber of teammates. The reasoning: He was averaging 30+ in an era when scoring/pace was significantly lower and largely no one came close to challenging his scoring prominence. His only season at tempos near todays he put up over 37 ppg, and that was still at a slower pace, with hand checking, centers that could camp under the rim, and without an established 3 point focus.
His later "prime seasons" showed he could shoot the 3 effectively.
I know comparing eras is a bit of a fools errand, but I also think many who predominantly watch this era have no idea how dominant MJ was.
Remember he'd also be playing against much better players.
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Not sure it’s the “bean counters,” but the training staff.
https://smartabase.com/blog/smartabase-for-nba-load-management/ (https://smartabase.com/blog/smartabase-for-nba-load-management/)
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https://smartabase.com/blog/smartabase-for-nba-load-management/ (https://smartabase.com/blog/smartabase-for-nba-load-management/)
Maybe I’m misunderstanding, but aren’t “bean counters” accountants? So when you used that term, I was thinking “business related decision” v health and training decision.
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Maybe I’m misunderstanding, but aren’t “bean counters” accountants? So when you used that term, I was thinking “business related decision” v health and training decision.
I was think closer to an actuary. More along the lines of putting data into a spreadsheet and determining at what #, does it make sense to rest people. Kind of like moneyball.
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As crazy is it sounds about the greatest individual brand ever...... MJ was a player and competitor first and a brand second.
Not the case with players these days.
Plenty of today's players are "player and competitor first." Probably most, and certainly the best ones.
I had wondered if that was true, and figure that Jordan would largely have no choice but to "load manage."
Maybe. But Jordan's the guy who famously had a "love of the game" clause in his contract, and it would have been difficult for management or trainers or beancounters to tell him no if he wanted to play.
However, if he were playing in an era when "load management" is the norm, maybe it would have been the norm for him, too. We'll never know.
Remember he'd also be playing against much better players.
Absolutely. But one of the best things about Jordan is that he tended to rise to the occasion.
In the playoffs - especially later rounds, and the Finals - he went up against some of the best players in basketball history. He often dominated them and, once he got a few years of experience under his belt, he almost always defeated them.
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Plenty of today's players are "player and competitor first." Probably most, and certainly the best ones.
We'll have to agree to disagree on that point. The load management and willingness to sit for minor injuries makes me feel it is more about career management than competition.
Now, you can make a very sound argument that Jordan's priorities were wrong.
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With no hand hand checking and the fitness and strength training today Jordan would have averaged:
43-45 ppg, on 53% shooting, 39% from distance and 12-15 FT's a game. Easily. Jordan had.no weaknesses, would have practiced the 3-Ball, and been very proficient. As Bobby Knight stated numerous times Michael is the greatest player in the history of the sport and "by a considerable margin". Remember, no weaknesses. My guess is 45, 10, and 8.
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With no hand hand checking and the fitness and strength training today Jordan would have averaged:
43-45 ppg, on 53% shooting, 39% from distance and 12-15 FT's a game. Easily. Jordan had.no weaknesses, would have practiced the 3-Ball, and been very proficient. As Bobby Knight stated numerous times Michael is the greatest player in the history of the sport and "by a considerable margin". Remember, no weaknesses. My guess is 45, 10, and 8.
Oh come on. Of course MJ is the greatest player to ever play the game, but he isn't averaging 45 ppg. That's 12 more than last year's leading scorer averaged. And if he's guarding the perimeter, he isn't getting 10 rpg either.
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We'll have to agree to disagree on that point. The load management and willingness to sit for minor injuries makes me feel it is more about career management than competition.
It's part career management, but a larger part is that 82 games is a long damn season and you need to be ready for the playoffs.
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It's part career management, but a larger part is that 82 games is a long damn season and you need to be ready for the playoffs.
I think that also supports my position.
If Jordan managed his work load like players today, LeBron may still be chasing the scoring title. I think you could question Jordan's priority of playing 100% in every game possible even if he was not 100%.
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I think that also supports my position.
If Jordan managed his work load like players today, LeBron may still be chasing the scoring title. I think you could question Jordan's priority of playing 100% in every game possible even if he was not 100%.
Agreed.
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I think that also supports my position.
If Jordan managed his work load like players today, LeBron may still be chasing the scoring title. I think you could question Jordan's priority of playing 100% in every game possible even if he was not 100%.
Could question or could not question?
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Don't ever forget how Lebron played in the 2011 Finals.
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Terrible half of basketball for Team USA. Their half court offense looks awful. No ball movement whatsoever, all iso garbage. They will need to pick it up to beat the better teams and the coaches must draw up better offensive sets. Move the freaking rock.
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It's part career management, but a larger part is that 82 games is a long damn season and you need to be ready for the playoffs.
Jordan excelled in the playoffs despite playing in every regular-season game.
But I don't doubt that it is a sound reason for load management today, and I wouldn't argue that Jordan could have benefited from it, too.
I think one problem in all of these comparison-type discussions is that it's difficult to compare any player to Jordan, period.
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I think one problem in all of these comparison-type discussions is that it's difficult to compare any player to Jordan, period.
Well there is that.
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Team USA struggling early vs Lithuania.
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Wow just wow.
31-12 at the end of 1Q. Lithuania getting anything they want offensively while team USA is playing mickey-mouse, undisciplined, iso ball. Time to wake-up before it's too late.
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Wow just wow.
31-12 at the end of 1Q. Lithuania getting anything they want offensively while team USA is playing mickey-mouse, undisciplined, iso ball. Time to wake-up before it's too late.
We don’t have our best coach. Spoelstra or Jay Wright please.
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We don’t have our best coach. Spoelstra or Jay Wright please.
Ya.....I'm glad you made this point Hutch. What the H are they doing from a coaching standpoint on both ends of the floor? It seems to me it's iso on one end and ball pressure on tbe other. They literally allowed 12 wide open threes and rarely move the rock via the pass offensively.
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Ya.....I'm glad you made this point Hutch. What the H are they doing from a coaching standpoint on both ends of the floor? It seems to me it's iso on one end and ball pressure on tbe other. They literally allowed 12 wide open threes and rarely move the rock via the pass offensively.
And of course 9 of those 12 open threes were made.
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And of course 9 of those 12 open threes were made.
Nice little run for us to start the 2H. Let's go now. At least they're moving and screening more off the ball
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Very good 3Q start so we’ll see about today. A win today won’t change my opinion we have better options than Kerr for our national coach.
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Very good 3Q start so we’ll see about today. A win today won’t change my opinion we have better options than Kerr for our national coach.
Agreed Hutch.
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Other than Jonas V is there a Lithuanian in the NBA? I know Bradzekis had a cup of coffee.
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WTH is up with this line-up Hutch? Smh.
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Boy is this frustrating.
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Other than Jonas V is there a Lithuanian in the NBA? I know Bradzekis had a cup of coffee.
Currently no, but a bunch played recently.
Kuzminskas played for the Knicks. Motiejunas played for a couple of teams up until a year or two ago. Sirvydis played 2-3 years for the Pistons until last year. Jokubaitais was a Thunder pick like 2 years ago they’ve been stashing for a bit
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Currently no, but a bunch played recently.
Kuzminskas played for the Knicks. Motiejunas played for a couple of teams up until a year or two ago. Sirvydis played 2-3 years for the Pistons until last year. Jokubaitais was a Thunder pick like 2 years ago they’ve been stashing for a bit
And yet we finish the 1Q down 31-12 and lose the game. So sad.
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This is what happens when we send our B (or C) team.
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And yet we finish the 1Q down 31-12 and lose the game. So sad.
Missed last quarter today. But it’s so true. Our guys are entirely current NBA guys, rising or established stars. Ridiculous to lose to anyone.
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This is what happens when we send our B (or C) team.
Give me a break. Then Lithuania is about an M team of NBA talent.
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Give me a break. Then Lithuania is about an M team of NBA talent.
Except for Edwards and Brunson, the talent difference between the US team and these other teams is minimal. Especially when many of these other teams have played together for years.
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Give me a break. Then Lithuania is about an M team of NBA talent.
Hutch,
Would this be similar to MU losing to Cardinal Stritch or am I being hyperbolic? I can't see any rational argument of being down 31-12 to begin tbe game.
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Hutch,
Would this be similar to MU losing to Cardinal Stritch or am I being hyperbolic? I can't see any rational argument of being down 31-12 to begin tbe game.
Probably more MU losing to a 300 type level D1 team IMO. Their players can ball, but it’s a considerably lower talent level. But good enough if you look past them you’ll get burned.
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Probably more MU losing to a 300 type level D1 team IMO. Their players can ball, but it’s a considerably lower talent level. But good enough if you look past them you’ll get burned.
Lithuania is ranked #8 in the FIBA rankings, itsnot that big of a talent disparity. When Josh Hart is your starting SG, you're not that talented.
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Probably more MU losing to a 300 type level D1 team IMO. Their players can ball, but it’s a considerably lower talent level. But good enough if you look past them you’ll get burned.
That sounds more logical. Of course Kerr was all smiles after that dumpster fire performance.
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Like MU losing to an A-10 school on a neutral floor.
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Like MU losing to an A-10 school on a neutral floor.
LOL.
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It isn't Virginia-UMBC or Purdue-Fairleigh Dickinson. Lithuania is solid and came to play. Good for them. Big picture, yawn.
Still going to the Olympics, can still win this.
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It isn't Virginia-UMBC or Purdue-Fairleigh Dickinson. Lithuania is solid and came to play. Good for them. Big picture, yawn.
Still going to the Olympics, can still win this.
I vehemently disagree. And we got destroyed on the glass and never lead the entire game. The talent discrepancy between the rosters is rather pronounced. You can't allow wide open three after wide open three after wide open three. That's extraordinarily bad coaching.
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Or execution of the game plan.
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Or execution of the game plan.
What was the game plan defensively besides pressuring tbe ball? Tower, did you watch the first quarter? it looked like shooting practice.
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I vehemently disagree. And we got destroyed on the glass and never lead the entire game. The talent discrepancy between the rosters is rather pronounced. You can't allow wide open three after wide open three after wide open three. That's extraordinarily bad coaching.
Yes. Kerr is a terrible coach. He should never be allowed near an NBA team.
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Me: "Huh, Muggsy is really going after the Team USA coach and not the players."
*Googles who the coach is*
"Ah. That makes sense"
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Me: "Huh, Muggsy is really going after the Team USA coach and not the players."
*Googles who the coach is*
"Ah. That makes sense"
Ya....that's a bad take. I've actually praised Kerr as a very good coach many times. Including during the '21 Finals. But the International game is different and no rational and honest person could watch that 1Q and not be critical of the coaching. And there are multiple good coaches on that staff. Lithuania literally got any shot that wanted and no one was near their three point shooters. And they also haven't adjusted to guys clogging the lane in the half-court on the other end
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Yes. Kerr is a terrible coach. He should never be allowed near an NBA team.
Another bad take/invented narrative. I never said he was a terrible coach. Clearly you and others here didn't watch the game or refuse to accept reality.
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The Warriors have had some of the best defenses in the NBA basically every year Kerr has been coaching them. And their offense is certainly not isolation and does not lack ball and player movement…
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The Warriors have had some of the best defenses in the NBA basically every year Kerr has been coaching them. And their offense is certainly not isolation and does not lack ball and player movement…
That's true but neither occurred this morning with Team USA.
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That's true but neither occurred this morning with Team USA.
So either Kerr forgot how to be a good coach or maybe, just maybe, assembling a group of players who have never played together before and giving them limited practice time together and having them play in some exhibition matches where they are more concerned about not getting hurt before their real seasons can result in some dud performances.
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Another bad take/invented narrative. I never said he was a terrible coach. Clearly you and others here didn't watch the game or refuse to accept reality.
But your take was that because of the 1Q of one game, the coach of a team is not the right coach???
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We don’t have our best coach. Spoelstra or Jay Wright please.
Very good 3Q start so we’ll see about today. A win today won’t change my opinion we have better options than Kerr for our national coach.
Wonder if this take will turn out as freezing cold as your last one about the national team's coach.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=62110.msg1362356#msg1362356
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So either Kerr forgot how to be a good coach or maybe, just maybe, assembling a group of players who have never played together before and giving them limited practice time together and having them play in some exhibition matches where they are more concerned about not getting hurt before their real seasons can result in some dud performances.
Yes, it’s a tough task, but this is what Kerr signed up for as our national coach. Coach K was 75-1 doing it.
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Wonder if this take will turn out as freezing cold as your last one about the national team's coach.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=62110.msg1362356#msg1362356
I don’t think Popovich validated anything as US coach by taking the team with by far the most talent and the best player who dominated in Tokyo as well, but if you’re so sure he did, great. There was already that impressive 7th place finish in the 2019 FIBA World Cup he led as well.
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But your take was that because of the 1Q of one game, the coach of a team is not the right coach???
When you watch a team with exponentially more talent, allow 31 pts in 10 mins of playing time, while simultaneously looking like a rec team on the offensive end, it's okay to render an opinion. It was a s-storm that frankly should never happen. And Kerr and the coaching staff did nothing to stop the deluge. Now the positive is you would think this will wake them up and they will win this tournament easily but as Hutch stated it was like a 300+ ranked team blowing out MU or a top 10 team. The level of talent on Team USA snd perhaps Canada vs everyone else, in this weaker than normal field, isn't remotely close.
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I don’t think Popovich validated anything as US coach by taking the team with by far the most talent and the best player who dominated in Tokyo as well, but if you’re so sure he did, great. There was already that impressive 7th place finish in the 2019 FIBA World Cup he led as well.
When you watch a team with exponentially more talent, allow 31 pts in 10 mins of playing time, while simultaneously looking like a rec team on the offensive end, it's okay to render an opinion. It was a s-storm that frankly should never happen. And Kerr and the coaching staff did nothing to stop the deluge. Now the positive is you would think this will wake them up and they will win this tournament easily but as Hutch stated it was like a 300+ ranked team blowing out MU or a top 10 team. The level of talent on Team USA snd perhaps Canada vs everyone else, in this weaker than normal field, isn't remotely close.
The problem is player selection - not coaching. The US continues to throw out B-level and poorly constructed squads for the FIBA World Cup, while other nations have a more systematic and long-term approach. One would think people would appreciate this considering Shaka's approach at Marquette. The time has long passed that the US can just trot out a random selection of 15 players and think that's good enough.
The idea that Pop and Kerr, despite winning nine NBA titles between them, are bad coaches is really a bad take.
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The problem is player selection - not coaching. The US continues to throw out B-level and poorly constructed squads for the FIBA World Cup, while other nations have a more systematic and long-term approach. One would think people would appreciate this considering Shaka's approach at Marquette. The time has long passed that the US can just trot out a random selection of 15 players and think that's good enough.
The idea that Pop and Kerr, despite winning nine NBA titles between them, are bad coaches is really a bad take.
Neither Muggsy nor I said either are bad coaches. I simply said about Kerr there are better options for our national coach. It’s my opinion, feel free to disagree but don’t misstate my position.
And same with Popovich. I never said he’s a bad coach. My criticism of him was solely confined to what I felt was a lousy job he did coaching the national team. Period. And he was openly ripped by many, including reportedly his own team during the Tokyo Olympics. In just two appearances as our head coach, he managed to lose 3x the games Coach K did in 10 years. And that leaves out Pop’s exhibition losses.
I do agree a big problem is player selection, but that’s in large part on them as well. Although getting commitments to Team USA isn’t easy by any stretch now.
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So when you said that Pop was an "absolute disaster as our national coach," you didn't mean to say he is a bad coach?
Regardless, I get your point. I think getting commitments is the biggest problem. I think it goes in waves - when an "emergency" is declared, the best players commit. But after winning the last four Olympic golds, I think complacency can set in, especially if a player already has won a medal.
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So when you said that Pop was an "absolute disaster as our national coach," you didn't mean to say he is a bad coach?
Regardless, I get your point. I think getting commitments is the biggest problem. I think it goes in waves - when an "emergency" is declared, the best players commit. But after winning the last four Olympic golds, I think complacency can set in, especially if a player already has won a medal.
No, he didn't. He explained the difference between coaching the National Team vs his job for the Spurs.
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Yes, it’s a tough task, but this is what Kerr signed up for as our national coach. Coach K was 75-1 doing it.
Coach K's FIBA rosters also included the best of the best players and there was more disparity between the US and the rest of the world at the time. There is no one on the current roster even close to the level of Lebron, Curry, Wade, Kobe, peak Carmelo, etc. And K had multiple guys of the caliber on every one of his rosters.
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Italy not posing much of a challenge. Bridges is playing lights out today. Amazing how Jay Wright developed his game.
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The Italians just lost focus. Product of bad coaching.
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Inexcusable.
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Italy not posing much of a challenge. Bridges is playing lights out today. Amazing how Jay Wright developed his game.
Of course they did not pose much of a challenge. The average Italian man is 5'9". Their last king, Victor Emmanuel, was 5'0". It's inexcusable that they are shorter than Americans. They deserved to lose.
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Team USA might want to consider playing some freaking defense??? I assume they'll wear them down but Germany has to be shooting 65%.
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On another note that Durant trade might wind up being an all-time great one for the Nets.
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Germany up 10 to start the 4Q. Unfreaking real. We better get our heads out of our asses. 94 pts for Germany through 3Q.
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I do think the international three point line needs to match the NBA's at this point. The game has changed.
Anyway, USA down 10 going into the fourth... stinks that they won't get gold, but it's the C team so not all that surprising.
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I do think the international three point line needs to match the NBA's at this point. The game has changed.
Anyway, USA down 10 going into the fourth... stinks that they won't get gold, but it's the C team so not all that surprising.
Yep. I'm not able to watch today, so I don't mean this as a comment on this game in particualr, but the US frontcourt is straight bad. Especially given the generally versatile bigs in the international game, and Jaren Jackson Jr is borderline useless.
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Our defense is the problem. Very frustrating .
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Plenty of time. No need to over pressure defensively.
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Awful execution there. Smh.
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Inexcusable!
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I do think the international three point line needs to match the NBA's at this point. The game has changed.
Anyway, USA down 10 going into the fourth... stinks that they won't get gold, but it's the C team so not all that surprising.
Shouldn't a shorter 3 ball help us?? And as far as this being our C tean we have way, way, way more talent than Germany. We got destroyed by F. Wagner and Theis. That cannot happen.
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Inexcusable!
Spot-on. Absolute joke of a loss.
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Shouldn't a shorter 3 ball help us?? And as far as this being our C tean we have way, way, way more talent than Germany. We got destroyed by F. Wagner and Theis. That cannot happen.
To be fair, Franz Wagner is really good and will be an all star very soon. Schroder cooking the US in key moments is far more inexcusable
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Maybe they should worry about China instead of being woke and they’d win more games
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Shouldn't a shorter 3 ball help us?? And as far as this being our C tean we have way, way, way more talent than Germany. We got destroyed by F. Wagner and Theis. That cannot happen.
I don't think it does help, because no one in the NBA shoots from a foot inside the three point line. It helped guys like Carmelo on the international stage, but for the most part that shot is highly discouraged.
Getting back to this game... of course it can happen. Happens all the time. That's sports.
Germany had more size and were able to exploit the US switching everything. Schroeder played terrific.
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I get top guys not playing in this but it’s still disappointing to see the USA lose to a team like Germany.
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Why on God's Green Earth did Jaren Jackson play the entire 4Q? He wasn't rebounding the ball or contesting shots. Frankly we shot the ball well on offense even though a lot of it was iso ball. I wasn't impressed at all with the coaching. Why the auto-switch? We also overpressured to a fault. I'm sorry but this was a bad loss with no adjustments whatsoever defensively. Was Wojo consulted or something? It was that bad.
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As for the NBA, this is yet another embarrassment for the Bulls: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/38293507/from-chicagoooo-why-chicago-bulls-value-bringing-hometown-players (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/38293507/from-chicagoooo-why-chicago-bulls-value-bringing-hometown-players)
You can not publicly admit you factor Chicago as a home town into talent acquisition. This article paints the Bulls front office as a group who's talent evaluation process is so shallow and elementary that a player's home town becomes a factor.
Even if you pick players to be PR puppets, you can't admit it publicly. Just say "we picked the best players, who occasionally and coincidentally come from Chicago".
Well done Jerry ::)
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As for the NBA, this is yet another embarrassment for the Bulls: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/38293507/from-chicagoooo-why-chicago-bulls-value-bringing-hometown-players (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/38293507/from-chicagoooo-why-chicago-bulls-value-bringing-hometown-players)
You can not publicly admit you factor Chicago as a home town into talent acquisition. This article paints the Bulls front office as a group who's talent evaluation process is so shallow and elementary that a player's home town becomes a factor.
Even if you pick players to be PR puppets, you can't admit it publicly. Just say "we picked the best players, who occasionally and coincidentally come from Chicago".
Well done Jerry ::)
Good grief. The franchise needs to completely start over.
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We need to reevaluate how to choose players and coaches for USA Basketball.
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We need to reevaluate how to choose players and coaches for USA Basketball.
LOL. Because of this?! If they crap the bed with a full squad in the Olympics I'll be right there with you. But this tournament means nada.
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LOL. Because of this?! If they crap the bed with a full squad in the Olympics I'll be right there with you. But this tournament means nada.
If it means nothing why not send the college players? And why have three coaches on the bench with a combined 8 NBA titles? The fact is we have significant probs vs the International game and their coaches schooled us. And it's not an easy fix whatsoever even if better players commit. Especially at the 4/5 positions.
And by the way Serbia with Jokic? That's a problem. Canada with Murray and Wiggins? Problem. Hell, Germany with Theis was a freaking problem. Are there USA bigs that can play at all besides Anthony Davis vs these teams?
What should our line-up be moving forward?
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If it means nothing why not send the college players? And why have three coaches on the bench with a combined 8 NBA titles? The fact is we have significant probs vs the International game and their coaches schooled us. And it's not an easy fix whatsoever even if better players commit. Especially at the 4/5 positions.
And by the way Serbia with Jokic? That's a problem. Canada with Murray and Wiggins? Problem. Hell, Germany with Theis was a freaking problem. Are there USA bigs that can play at all besides Anthony Davis vs these teams?
What should our line-up be moving forward?
Do you panic over everything? The US sent a lower level team. If they send a top team, and it loses, then maybe worry. Or maybe realize that it isn’t 1992 any longer and the world has made steady progress in catching up.
Imagine getting this fired up about the FIBA championship. Lol…
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Wojo has experience coaching the national team.
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Do you panic over everything? The US sent a lower level team. If they send a top team, and it loses, then maybe worry. Or maybe realize that it isn’t 1992 any longer and the world has made steady progress in catching up.
Imagine getting this fired up about the FIBA championship. Lol…
They just need to focus with more attack intensity
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Do you panic over everything? The US sent a lower level team. If they send a top team, and it loses, then maybe worry. Or maybe realize that it isn’t 1992 any longer and the world has made steady progress in catching up.
Imagine getting this fired up about the FIBA championship. Lol…
I'm fine, who says I'm panicked?
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They just need to focus with more attack intensity
This wasn't a focus/intensity issue.
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Wojo has experience coaching the national team.
We have probs Tower, I'm looking for viable solutions.
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The US has one 7 of the last 8 Olympic golds, including the last 4. There are no major problems winning at the international level.
The reason you take pros is to build depth in the player pool and get them experience in the FIBA realm.
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We need to reevaluate how to choose players and coaches for USA Basketball.
More players from Chicago?
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The US has one 7 of the last 8 Olympic golds, including the last 4. There are no major problems winning at the international level.
The reason you take pros is to build depth in the player pool and get them experience in the FIBA realm.
With all due respect I don't think it's that simple. For example say Anthony Davis doesn't want to play? Who goes to the Olympics?
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More players from Chicago?
What can be done about this debacle of an organization? Get rid of everyone immediately? :)
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What can be done about this debacle of an organization? Get rid of everyone immediately? :)
It starts at the top, right?
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We have probs Tower, I'm looking for viable solutions.
We?
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If it means nothing why not send the college players? And why have three coaches on the bench with a combined 8 NBA titles?
Because you send the best guys who are willing to do it? Durant and JFB would rather go to the US Open, but Kerr, et al are happy to coach the team. To each their own - I wouldn't risk injury in FIBA if I were a star either. That's the sole reason that the guys who are there are the guys who are there.
And by the way Serbia with Jokic? That's a problem. Canada with Murray and Wiggins? Problem. Hell, Germany with Theis was a freaking problem. Are there USA bigs that can play at all besides Anthony Davis vs these teams?
Sure - Jokic is a 2x MVP. The NBA hasn't figured out how to deal with him, so I'm not sure that a hastily thrown together team of US nationals will figure it out either. That's just what happens when the best player in the world doesn't happen to be American?
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Precisely. All a coach can do is to put together the best team out of those willing to play. It isn't the Ryder Cup. This team was the equivalent of Harry Higgs, Joel Dahmen, Kevin Kisner etc., with Keegan Bradley as the anchor. Talented players all. Way better than me. But not the A-team.
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Because you send the best guys who are willing to do it? Durant and JFB would rather go to the US Open, but Kerr, et al are happy to coach the team. To each their own - I wouldn't risk injury in FIBA if I were a star either. That's the sole reason that the guys who are there are the guys who are there.
Not to go conspiracy theory on this...but I'm going to go conspiracy theory on this. It is also much harder to pass the Olympic drug tests than the NBA drug tests.
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I just looked at the US roster for the first time. Nothing surprising about the result.
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With all due respect I don't think it's that simple. For example say Anthony Davis doesn't want to play? Who goes to the Olympics?
Off the top of my head, the US starters could be:
Curry
Dame
JFB
Tatum
Embiid
Its in Paris, so that might be a reason to go.
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Wojo has experience coaching the national team.
Knowing well your posting history during Wojo’s tenure, this probably isn’t sarcasm.
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It is a fact. And sarcasm.
So that the easily triggered can amuse me.
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It is a fact. And sarcasm.
I am aware there’s truth in the statement at face value.
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Oops
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Pretty shocked by the Bengals/Browns game
Even more shocking that they are NBA teams.
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Even more shocking that they are NBA teams.
Lol whoops
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We?
What? You're not embarrassed to be an American because of a result in a sports tournament that means next-to-nothing?
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NBA just passed a new rule aimed at limiting load management for star players.
All this will do is test the imagination of teams as they try to figure out which "injury" the star they want to rest has.
Years ago, teams used to stash players on the injured list with "back pain" or "plantar fasciitis," and now they'll do it with their stars.
I still remember Bill Wennington supposedly being out with plantar fasciitis, and when a reporter asked him which foot it was, he said something like, "I don't know. Ask Chip." (reference to Bulls trainer Chip Schaefer)
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NBA just passed a new rule aimed at limiting load management for star players.
All this will do is test the imagination of teams as they try to figure out which "injury" the star they want to rest has.
Years ago, teams used to stash players on the injured list with "back pain" or "plantar fasciitis," and now they'll do it with their stars.
I still remember Bill Wennington supposedly being out with plantar fasciitis, and when a reporter asked him which foot it was, he said something like, "I don't know. Ask Chip." (reference to Bulls trainer Chip Schaefer)
LOL. I don't know if there is a practical way to police it. Play for Pay? The player's association would fight that to the death.
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MILWAUKEE WOJ BOMB
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I mean, I love Jrue so that sucks. But I think Giannis sent his message and it was received.
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I mean, I love Jrue so that sucks. But I think Giannis sent his message and it was received.
Bucks sending a message, too.
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Let’s go!!!!
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Anyone more enough of an NBA-knower than me who can say where this puts the Bucks as far as expectations? Championship favorites? East Favorites? Just kinda in the amalgamated category of "contender?"
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Anyone more enough of an NBA-knower than me who can say where this puts the Bucks as far as expectations? Championship favorites? East Favorites? Just kinda in the amalgamated category of "contender?"
Contender
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Guess they're all in.
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Good move by Coach and GM, Giannis. Holiday got scorched by #22 in da Playoffs, adios. Guess Hield won't be comin' to da Bucks.
Bucks in 6, aina?
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Holy crap!! Absolutely brilliant move from the Bucks imo.
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Wow, that's quite a trade.
If Lillard is healthy, and if he knows that the Bucks are Giannis' team, this was a tremendous move by the Bucks.
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Good move by Coach and GM, Giannis. Holiday got scorched by #22 in da Playoffs, adios. Guess Hield won't be comin' to da Bucks.
Bucks in 6, aina?
Better than coach and GM, Rodgers, that’s for sure
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Who fills the open roster spot?
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Wow, that's quite a trade.
If Lillard is healthy, and if he knows that the Bucks are Giannis' team, this was a tremendous move by the Bucks.
I love Holiday but I think you have to pull the trigger on this trade. Lillard is a bona fide scorer and has proven he can do it during crunch time. He's never played with anyone like Giannis obviously but he's a solid playmaker as well. He also has unlimited range with the ability to drain deep buckets both off the bounce and on catch and shoots. He will make it harder to double/triple Antetokounmpo.
Now, the Bucks still need a back-up PG and their defense is still a bit of a question mark. But man....this team should be crazy explosive and fun to watch.
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Crybaby Jimmy Butler is complaining the Bucks tampered because certainly Pat Riley and the Heat wouldn’t have.
Win a ring, chump
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Crybaby Jimmy Butler is complaining the Bucks tampered because certainly Pat Riley and the Heat wouldn’t have.
Win a ring, chump
Tough guy
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I LOVE me some Jrue Holiday but wow what a trade. This has to be the best duo in Bucks history right? Only other one that I can think of as close is Kareem and the Big 0.
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Basketball wise this was a no brainer. But damnit I loved Jrue.
I think this certainly makes the Bucks at east co-favorites with the Nuggets. You have 2 of the top 10 players in the League, and if Middleton is healthy you have another top 25-30 guy.
Perimeter defense will be the question. This probably sets up a good chance for Jae to get a lot of minutes. Not sure who is guarding guys like Jimmy and Tatum on this roster.
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Obviously thrilled to have Dame, but not having to suffer through watching another postseason of Allen choking is a nice bonus too.
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Tough guy
Yes, it is tough for Jimmy that he didn’t get Donovan Mitchell or Damian Lillard and they ended up in Cleveland and Milwaukee.
Given how badly Jimmy hates Milwaukee and disrespects Marquette, I suppose this will only increase his dislike of both.
Maybe he can win a ring with the guy the Hausers wouldn’t play with
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Who fills the open roster spot?
Is it Alex that we haven’t signed this season?
Jrue did great things for the Bucks, but think this is a great move. Hopefully Dame can keep the offense from sputtering out in the playoffs.
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A little Marquette on Marquette violence...
https://x.com/KingMe_DJ1/status/1707102295907869159?s=20
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A little Marquette on Marquette violence...
https://x.com/KingMe_DJ1/status/1707102295907869159?s=20
Hell yeah, DJO
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A little Marquette on Marquette violence...
https://x.com/KingMe_DJ1/status/1707102295907869159?s=20
Looks like DJO was reiterating Jimmy's request for help, calling out Spo+Riley. Not calling out Jimmy.
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Looks like DJO was reiterating Jimmy's request for help, calling out Spo+Riley. Not calling out Jimmy.
Jimmy would make a great Middleton to someone’s Giannis. Heat need a Giannis
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Because they are a dime a dozen.
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Because they are a dime a dozen.
And that’s why some are bridesmaids
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It will be interesting to see how the Bulls respond to the Bucks move. I'd guess they will extend Ball's contract 5 more years.
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It will be interesting to see how the Bulls respond to the Bucks move. I'd guess they will extend Ball's contract 5 more years.
trade for Dwight Howard and play him and Drummond as twin towers?
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trade for Dwight Howard and play him and Drummond as twin towers?
;D
Bring home Frank Kaminski!
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Joey is tanned, rested, and ready.
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Yes, it is tough for Jimmy that he didn’t get Donovan Mitchell or Damian Lillard and they ended up in Cleveland and Milwaukee.
Given how badly Jimmy hates Milwaukee and disrespects Marquette, I suppose this will only increase his dislike of both.
Maybe he can win a ring with the guy the Hausers wouldn’t play with
You and bias should get a room.
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You and bias should get a room.
Let him cook. It's gotta be nice to be a Bucks fan today after a disappointing past couple of years
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You and bias should get a room.
For stating facts? Where’s the lie? He don’t like Milwaukee and he don’t like Marquette right now.
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Let him cook. It's gotta be nice to be a Bucks fan today after a disappointing past couple of years
I saw an NBA title from the Milwaukee Bucks. I’m good for life. Anything beyond that would be gravy
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trade for Dwight Howard and play him and Drummond as twin towers?
Actually hilarious.
I figured they would throw the kitchen sink to get Harden. Seems like the kind of moronic panic move this Bulls franchise would love
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Crybaby Jimmy Butler is complaining the Bucks tampered because certainly Pat Riley and the Heat wouldn’t have.
Win a ring, chump
This is ridiculous and a terrible take. Especially coming from someone in the Heat organization.
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I’m not sure how you tamper in a trade like this.
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Herro retweeting Jimmy's reaction and saying, "What he said" is hilarious. Guy would've been out of Miami if Dame was in.
Heat players claiming there's tampering because a player demanded he be traded to the Heat is ironic...
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This is ridiculous and a terrible take. Especially coming from someone in the Heat organization.
I have to question the value of his education. Could be why he hates Marquette so much
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Herro retweeting Jimmy's reaction and saying, "What he said" is hilarious. Guy would've been out of Miami if Dame was in.
Heat players claiming there's tampering because a player demanded he be traded to the Heat is ironic...
Not just at you, but...
You guys saw the video of Jimmy saying this? It's obvi a joke.
https://twitter.com/bradyhawk305/status/1707104038850789873?s=46
I have to question the value of his education. Could be why he hates Marquette so much
After spendinig years on Scoop, I agree with you and Jimmy about Marquette.
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Actually hilarious.
I figured they would throw the kitchen sink to get Harden. Seems like the kind of moronic panic move this Bulls franchise would love
don't forget derrick may have a little left in the tank
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If Middleton is healthy that's a pretty damn good #3 option. The 2-man game with Giannis and Dame has the potential to be scary good. We're talking buckets in heavy, heavy, numbers. Meanwhile Lopez and Portis can also stretch the floor. I also expect Antetokounmpo to be highly motivated. I assume they'll pick up another piece as well.
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helluva trade!!
stephen a. says dame would've preferred miami?? now i know what the "a" in stephen a stands for
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helluva trade!!
stephen a. says dame would've preferred miami?? now i know what the "a" in stephen a stands for
This is an idiotic comment by Smith. And frankly inexcusable.
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Dame literally stated that, as did his agent, multiple times.
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https://news.yahoo.com/three-months-listing-heat-preferred-185705586.html
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/jul/02/damian-lillard-trade-request-miami-heat-portland-trail-blazers
https://theathletic.com/4657894/2023/07/01/damian-lillard-heat-rumors-free-agency/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEls2M6szyk
So, pretty obvious that Lillard wanted to play in Miami.
That 'A' stands for 'astute', or 'aware', or even 'awake' in this instance.
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Dame literally stated that, as did his agent, multiple times.
That's irrelevant.
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That's irrelevant.
Dame and his agent both saying he preferred to be traded to Miami is irrelevant to whether Stephen A is an idiot because he said Dame preferred to be traded to Miami? What?
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Welcome to Muggsy logic.
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That's irrelevant.
The Bucks drafted Oliver Purnell in the 6th round of the 1975 draft
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Welcome to Muggsy logic.
Everyone knew he wanted to go to Miami. Who gives a S? That's like saying I'd rather marry Margot Robbie.
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Everyone knew he wanted to go to Miami. Who gives a S? That's like saying I'd rather marry Margot Robbie.
No it’s not. Cause you’d never have a chance at Margot Robbie whereas Dame is an in demand superstar with only 29 possible destinations.
And how is it “inexcusable” to report a fact that is verified by multiple quotes from people associated with him? It’s not some slight to the Bucks
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No it’s not. Cause you’d never have a chance at Margot Robbie whereas Dame is an in demand superstar with only 29 possible destinations.
And how is it “inexcusable” to report a fact that is verified by multiple quotes from people associated with him? It’s not some slight to the Bucks
It's inexcusable after the fact. Ever person who follows NBA basketball knew this so his "point" is completely irrelevant and means nothing.
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I think it is a bit of a slight actually.
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Who else can the Bucks snag to fill out their roster? Cameron Payne?
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I think it is a bit of a slight actually.
It probably is. And?
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helluva trade!!
stephen a. says dame would've preferred miami?? now i know what the "a" in stephen a stands for
A in this case stands for accurate. Given that you prefer to spend your winters in AZ, you can't blame Dame for hoping for a Miami winter instead of a Milwaukee one.
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I think it is a bit of a slight actually.
You do realize that the city of Milwaukee has been basically running on spite since 1846, right?
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You do realize that the city of Milwaukee has been basically running on spite since 1846, right?
All Midwest cities run on spite. It’s just who you’re spiteful at that differs.
The only exception is the Twin Cities. They believe they’re the Paris of the Midwest and god bless them for that
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You do realize that the city of Milwaukee has been basically running on spite since 1846, right?
I don't mind spite. :)
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Reading the Athletic story on this, it looks like Portland only really wanted Jimmy or Bam and a bunch of draft picks - and Miami was unwilling to give up either. (Not giving up Bam for Dame seems odd to me, but who knows.)
Anyway, Giannis was recruiting Dame. He knew he was coming to Milwaukee and approved ahead of time.
Now the question is if Giannis will sign the extension.
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Reading the Athletic story on this, it looks like Portland only really wanted Jimmy or Bam and a bunch of draft picks - and Miami was unwilling to give up either. (Not giving up Bam for Dame seems odd to me, but who knows.)
Anyway, Giannis was recruiting Dame. He knew he was coming to Milwaukee and approved ahead of time.
Now the question is if Giannis will sign the extension.
Tyler Herro stans unite
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Where will Holiday wind up?
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Tyler Herro stans unite
helluva player, oona?
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Where will Holiday wind up?
Ironically, I think it might be Miami.
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Where will Holiday wind up?
Good question. Philly or Toronto is my guess
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Where will Holiday wind up?
If he wants to win another championship, Charlotte.
Obviously.
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Ironically, I think it might be Miami.
Maybe, but got the sense Portland isn’t too interested in what Miami has to offer.
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Reading the Athletic story on this, it looks like Portland only really wanted Jimmy or Bam and a bunch of draft picks - and Miami was unwilling to give up either. (Not giving up Bam for Dame seems odd to me, but who knows.)
Anyway, Giannis was recruiting Dame. He knew he was coming to Milwaukee and approved ahead of time.
Now the question is if Giannis will sign the extension.
My favorite tin foil hat theories are Gianni’s’ press tour of potentially leaving Milwaukee was a way to increase the value of Bucks future first round picks. Also, Dame saying only Miami was a way to reduce his price for the Bucks by limiting bidders.
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Reading the Athletic story on this, it looks like Portland only really wanted Jimmy or Bam and a bunch of draft picks - and Miami was unwilling to give up either. (Not giving up Bam for Dame seems odd to me, but who knows.)
Anyway, Giannis was recruiting Dame. He knew he was coming to Milwaukee and approved ahead of time.
Now the question is if Giannis will sign the extension.
What else would #34 want from ownership? Maybe jettison his brother to add a contributing player to the roster, hey?
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trade hiz azz. never been any good, and never will be.
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What else would #34 want from ownership? Maybe jettison his brother to add a contributing player to the roster, hey?
Who is a better GM? Giannis or Rodgers?
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Who is a better GM? Giannis or Rodgers?
Michael.
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My guess is Boston, NY, and Philly will do everything they can to get Jrue.
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Not a fan of the tail waggin' da dog. But, then again, privileged athletes, run the professional sports industry.
Jury is still out on #34 pending whether his pick of coach is a bust. As for #12, all he could do as a GM is whine. Probably got McCarthy fired though, hey?
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My guess is Boston, NY, and Philly will do everything they can to get Jrue.
I think Miami is in that group too.
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What else would #34 want from ownership? Maybe jettison his brother to add a contributing player to the roster, hey?
The back of an NBA bench is filled with replacement level junk. If it keeps him happy, might as well be his brother.
Cam Payne would not be a bad option because there is a roster spot open.
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Not a fan of the tail waggin' da dog. But, then again, privileged athletes, run the professional sports industry.
Jury is still out on #34 pending whether his pick of coach is a bust. As for #12, all he could do as a GM is whine. Probably got McCarthy fired though, hey?
If I read between the lines, I’d say you think players should listen to ownership and coaches and just play the game. Interesting
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That's what they are getting paid to do, aina?
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I think Miami is in that group too.
I'm sure they will too but if Portland didn't want Herro before why would they want him now? I think the Knicks have a ton of draft picks. Does Phoenix have anything to offer? I think Miami is in trouble. They caught some lightning in a bottle but I think it's basically over for them. Holiday on Boston is scary on paper.
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The back of an NBA bench is filled with replacement level junk. If it keeps him happy, might as well be his brother.
Cam Payne would not be a bad option because there is a roster spot open.
I would get Payne. They need a back-op PG or a combo G.
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That's what they are getting paid to do, aina?
So just the professional athlete has that responsibility? A college athlete wouldn’t because before now, they weren’t getting paid? That’s fascinating.
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Not a fan of the tail waggin' da dog. But, then again, privileged athletes, run the professional sports industry.
Jury is still out on #34 pending whether his pick of coach is a bust. As for #12, all he could do as a GM is whine. Probably got McCarthy fired though, hey?
High paid athletes have been running professional sports for a long time. And since they are the most important part of professional sports, considering how much they are paid, that is absolute fine and to be expected.
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I'm sure they will too but if Portland didn't want Herro before why would they want him now? I think the Knicks have a ton of draft picks. Does Phoenix have anything to offer? I think Miami is in trouble. They caught some lightning in a bottle but I think it's basically over for them. Holiday on Boston is scary on paper.
Agree with the bold - Miami was never really out of trouble. They were 25th in ORtg last year, and 21st in NetRtg. They made it to the finals because JFB went supernova and Spo outcoached Bud, Thibs, and Mazzulla.
Also agree with Holiday in Boston - he would completely cover for the Smart trade.
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Can you walk into your bosses office and demand personnel and procedural changes? Of course not, hey?
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Can you walk into your bosses office and demand personnel and procedural changes? Of course not, hey?
So, can college athletes do it? What is your stance on them if they say, write a letter demanding change from the coach?
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Can you walk into your bosses office and demand personnel and procedural changes? Of course not, hey?
If I’m the star engineer that is responsible for a ton of success of the company and is the face of the brand, I’m guessing I’d have some pull if I had a competing job offer.
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Can you walk into your bosses office and demand personnel and procedural changes? Of course not, hey?
Right. Because my boss is more important to the organization than I am.
BTW, you really think the athletic side of a professional sports team is anything like a normal employer? That they have org charts and everything? Because that's just silly.
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Payne or Nunn in Milwaukee would be nice with the last roster spot.
Hoping Jrue ends up in Toronto or NY. Don't want to see him on the Heat, Sixers, or C's.
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My guess is Boston, NY, and Philly will do everything they can to get Jrue.
Add Miami and the Clippers.
Also, I don't think it would happen, but I wouldn't rule out the Warriors. They'd have to send Paul, and something else. Not sure they'd be willing to do that switch, and not sure what else they have to send though.
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The coach lost his team long before that incident.
To answer your question directly, I'd help them pack their bags and drive to the airport. But, this is an apple to oranges comparison, hey?
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The coach lost his team long before that incident.
To answer your question directly, I'd help them pack their bags and drive to the airport.
And lose a lot of games in the process.
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If I’m the star engineer that is responsible for a ton of success of the company and is the face of the brand, I’m guessing I’d have some pull if I had a competing job offer.
While comparing professional sports to normal business is silly, even for Scoop standards, but even closer comparison is advertising/marketing agencies.
I worked for an ad agency that had a major Midwestern CPG company, household name, in its portfolio and had been the agency of record for nearly 70 years. A senior director was the lead account man on the company’s account. The director has some conflict with upper management and was ready to leave. The CPG made it known they would leave too. The agency still played hard ball and the director left to start his own agency. And the CPG left the agency of 70 years to follow him.
Similarly, my friend’s agency had a senior creative that got their agency to move heavy and earth lest they leave and potentially lose a few major clients that loved that creative’s work. Senior management was completely beholden to good creatives.
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Can you walk into your bosses office and demand personnel and procedural changes? Of course not, hey?
That depends on your value, aina?
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Can you walk into your bosses office and demand personnel and procedural changes? Of course not, hey?
Talented money-makers in numerous professions have the leverage to “strongly suggest” things to management.
Hey.
This has been going on for decades. Magic, Gretzky and Wade, among others, were pretty good at being part-time “GMs” during their careers.
Smart businesspeople - and businesspeople is what superstar athletes are - use their leverage whenever they can.
If Giannis had a lot to do with bringing Lillard to Milwaukee, then it’s a good thing management listened to him.
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One other point about Lillard and the Bucks, while it’s true it was out of nowhere for this news/trade cycle, anyone who pays attention to NBA rumors knows the Giannis/Lillard love affair runs back years. If Giannis left MKE before his huge deal, Portland was a very real possibility because of Lillard. Giannis chose Lillard as his first pick in the ASG draft in an eyebrow raise/“tap the side of your nose” sort of reaction to NBA media people. The desire to play with/admiration is well known.
Also, from a marketing perspective, I can’t think of a more fun personality/persona/player type to add play Robin to Giannis’ Batman. If Dame gets the Greek Freak on one of his hip hop tracks, the internet might explode
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One other point about Lillard and the Bucks, while it’s true it was out of nowhere for this news/trade cycle, anyone who pays attention to NBA rumors knows the Giannis/Lillard love affair runs back years. If Giannis left MKE before his huge deal, Portland was a very real possibility because of Lillard. Giannis chose Lillard as his first pick in the ASG draft in an eyebrow raise/“tap the side of your nose” sort of reaction to NBA media people. The desire to play with/admiration is well known.
Also, from a marketing perspective, I can’t think of a more fun personality/persona/player type to add play Robin to Giannis’ Batman. If Dame gets the Greek Freak on one of his hip hop tracks, the internet might explode
The deal makes even more sense for the Bucks because Holiday would have either re-signed or not with them after this year. Lillard is locked up for 3 years. If Middleton is anywhere near his form from two years ago, as a #3, look out. He will have so much freedom in this offense as will Lopez. Lillard also alleviates a lot of pressure on Giannis to score from the perimeter and initiate the offense. This should mean fewer turns and more room to operate inside. Lillard isn't Steph Curry but the man has shown be a bucket machine JWags. When you have 35 foot range, the ability to stop and pop, and blow by your defenders, it doesn't suck. Especially if you're playing with Giannis.
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I'm hoping for Jrue to end up with either of the LA teams. Get him out of the East, and being able to play back home would be cool for him,.
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Can you walk into your bosses office and demand personnel and procedural changes? Of course not, hey?
Actually you can. They just might tell you to not let the door hit your ass on the way out.
I know people that have done this, and it was granted, because they are important enough to the organization. Heck, I basically have done this before and it was granted. Others made demands and the answer was no, but feel free to start looking for a new job.
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Actually you can. They just might tell you to not let the door hit your ass on the way out.
I know people that have done this, and it was granted, because they are important enough to the organization. Heck, I basically have done this before and it was granted. Others made demands and the answer was no, but feel free to start looking for a new job.
Well, things like that never happened in the good old days when Al McGuire was a coach and we had law and order
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Well, things like that never happened in the good old days when Al McGuire was a coach and we had law and order
A lot went bad after the midrange game died.
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Milwaukee is now the epicenter of prime-time hoops. No other city can boast a pro and college team with such promise. It's not quite the dominant level of 1971-74 but we're still talking about something rare and potentially historic.
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Milwaukee is now the epicenter of prime-time hoops. No other city can boast a pro and college team with such promise. It's not quite the dominant level of 1971-74 but we're still talking about something rare and potentially historic.
Slight edge over Chicago. ;D
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Slight edge over Chicago. ;D
It is quite sad and embarrassing that our beloved home city's sports teams are a dumpster fire of biblical proportions. Maybe the Blackhawks find their way but it's depressing.
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It is quite sad and embarrassing that our beloved home city's sports teams are a dumpster fire of biblical proportions. Maybe the Blackhawks find their way but it's depressing.
Right? Maybe the Ramblers will rise again.
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Right? Maybe the Ramblers will rise again.
Sister Jean turned 104 last month. :)
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Sister Jean turned 104 last month. :)
Chicago sports highlight of the year! (Seriously)
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Chicago sports highlight of the year! (Seriously)
The "good" news is the Bears probably have the easiest schedule in the league. The NFC North is awful. But will we win 4 games? :(
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The "good" news is the Bears probably have the easiest schedule in the league. The NFC North is awful. But will we win 4 games? :(
Predicted 6. Now I'd say 3. All under a new coach.
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Predicted 6. Now I'd say 3. All under a new coach.
Have you looked at our schedule? I've never seen a worse schedule in my life. We could win 6? They literally play no one except maybe the Lions?
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The Bears? Winning 6 games?
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The Bears? Winning 6 games?
Probably unlikely but I don't think they play more than 1 playoff team.
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Have you looked at our schedule? I've never seen a worse schedule in my life. We could win 6? They literally play no one except maybe the Lions?
The schedule is as easy as I've ever seen too. 6 should have been very doable but I have zero faith anymore. 😔
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The schedule is as easy as I've ever seen too. 6 should have been very doable but I have zero faith anymore. 😔
It's almost as if the schedule was designed for them to win a few games. It's absolutely pathetic.
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Right? Maybe the Ramblers will rise again.
That would be thrilling for the tens of Loyola fans.
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That would be thrilling for the tens of Loyola fans.
I may have to start a 6'0 and under league for the city to get back on track.
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I may have to start a 6'0 and under league for the city to get back on track.
Middle school basketball already exists.
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On this NBA topic, Bulls go 35-47.
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Middle school basketball already exists.
Stop attacking smaller citizens.
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On this NBA topic, Bulls go 35-47.
32-50 Is my guess.
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32-50 Is my guess.
That's fair, probably won't be as lucky on the injury front as last year.
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Can you walk into your bosses office and demand personnel and procedural changes? Of course not, hey?
After my employer had everyone return to the office and declared that they would not be approving remote work for any employees, Mrs. TAMU and I decided we wanted to move back to Milwaukee. I told my boss that I loved my job and would love to continue on remotely from Milwaukee. She said no. I told her that was fine and that I would begin job searching immediately.
Over two years later I'm still working for the same employer, VPNing in from a lounge chair next to my pool in Glendale.
Sometimes you can go into your boss' office and demand procedural changes.
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After my employer had everyone return to the office and declared that they would not be approving remote work for any employees, Mrs. TAMU and I decided we wanted to move back to Milwaukee. I told my boss that I loved my job and would love to continue on remotely from Milwaukee. She said no. I told her that was fine and that I would begin job searching immediately.
Over two years later I'm still working for the same employer, VPNing in from a lounge chair next to my pool in Glendale.
Sometimes you can go into your boss' office and demand procedural changes.
Nicely done, TAMU, and congrats on working on your terms. My son-in-law has a fairly similar story, and is working for his Seattle company while living in Charlotte, which we love because we get to see our grandkids several times a week.
In Doc's defense - seriously - he comes from an era when the boss ruled like a dictator and what he said goes.
Glad to see that these days many employers realize that happy employees who feel they have some say in the way things are done (even if only a tiny say in most cases) are productive employees.
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After my employer had everyone return to the office and declared that they would not be approving remote work for any employees, Mrs. TAMU and I decided we wanted to move back to Milwaukee. I told my boss that I loved my job and would love to continue on remotely from Milwaukee. She said no. I told her that was fine and that I would begin job searching immediately.
Over two years later I'm still working for the same employer, VPNing in from a lounge chair next to my pool in Glendale.
Sometimes you can go into your boss' office and demand procedural changes.
Anyone who has worked for a large organization has seen things like this. I would characterize this on the less generous end of an employer rewarding a high performer.
Employees are important and even more important when they are the product--sports owners figured this out a long long long time ago.
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After my employer had everyone return to the office and declared that they would not be approving remote work for any employees, Mrs. TAMU and I decided we wanted to move back to Milwaukee. I told my boss that I loved my job and would love to continue on remotely from Milwaukee. She said no. I told her that was fine and that I would begin job searching immediately.
Over two years later I'm still working for the same employer, VPNing in from a lounge chair next to my pool in Glendale.
Sometimes you can go into your boss' office and demand procedural changes.
Ya did that wrong. Shoulda told your boss ta shove the job up her heine, then get fired and collect unemployment, hey?
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Ya did that wrong. Shoulda told your boss ta shove the job up her heine, then get fired and collect unemployment, hey?
That's a weird response but best of luck if you ever take that approach
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Ya did that wrong. Shoulda told your boss ta shove the job up her heine, then get fired and collect unemployment, hey?
You CC can’t collect unemployment in that case.
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Holiday to Celts
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1708511470542037182?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1708511470542037182%7Ctwgr%5E22ac3b2d5f2daa244d0f77e11de8e338b3da35fd%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2F247sports.com%2Fcollege%2Fmarquette%2Fboard%2F104085%2FContents%2Fot-bucks-trade-for-dame--217008967%2F%3Fpage%3D1
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Wow. I think Boston now has the edge over Milwaukee. Although they did get rid of Robert Williams. But that team can be scary good if Porzingas holds up.
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Wow. I think Boston now has the edge over Milwaukee. Although they did get rid of Robert Williams. But that team can be scary good if Porzingas holds up.
They have a great starting five. After that...
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Wow. I think Boston now has the edge over Milwaukee. Although they did get rid of Robert Williams. But that team can be scary good if Porzingas holds up.
Celts updated Depth Chart
https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nba/boston-celtics/updated-celtics-depth-chart-after-jrue-holiday-trade-with-blazers/556007/?amp=1
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It's juicy that Holiday will be on the East's other big contender. Bucks-Celtics games will be even more must-see TV.
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Love Jrue. Hate he’s on the Celtics.
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Serviceable backup guard signed by the Bucks today, Cam Payne.
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Serviceable backup guard signed by the Bucks today, Cam Payne.
This absolutely helps imo.
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They have a great starting five. After that...
True, but I'm not sure the Bucks do either.
Guarding then is going to be a bitch. Remember Derrick White was their most consistent player in the playoffs. That's an evil S-5. :(
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This, involving Hornets bench player (and former Shaka Smart big recruit at Texas) Kai Jones:
https://theathletic.com/4915411/2023/09/30/hornets-kai-jones-status-nba/
The Charlotte Hornets are expected to have 2021 first-round pick Kai Jones away from the team indefinitely and there’s no timetable for his return, according to league sources. Jones will miss camp due to personal reasons and the team remains in communication with him.
Jones went viral on Instagram Live in early September for a clip in which he was seen sweating and speaking quickly, while appearing to say the Hornets would not trade him. He later denied being on drugs or intoxicated in a post on X, formerly Twitter, on Sept. 11.
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Wow. I think Boston now has the edge over Milwaukee. Although they did get rid of Robert Williams. But that team can be scary good if Porzingas holds up.
Can't help but wonder if Milwaukee's move, which had to be done, may have also cemented a title for Boston.
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Can't help but wonder if Milwaukee's move, which had to be done, may have also cemented a title for Boston.
He does seem like a perfect fit for that squad. I think it's really close between the Bucks and tbe C's. If Middleton can get back to playing at his 2021 level the Bucks can take them out but that's a big question mark. I think the Bucks absolutely made the right move and hopefully the can sign Giannis long-term.
Call me crazy but I actually think Giannis' defense with Middleton's consistency are the two most important factors if they're gonna do some net cutting. Giannis is the rare player that has the ability to dominate on both ends. I don't think he was completely locked in last year at times. He must eliminate opposing players and destroy their will and any grandiose plans of keeping him from a second chip. I expect him drop the hammer a la the 2021 playoffs with regularity.
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The Bucks had to do something to show Giannis that they wanted to improve the team. They had to have know that trading him back east was a possibility.
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Think it all comes down to health come playoff time for the Bucks. Because last two playoffs since their title, Giannis and Middleton missed significant time.
If the Bucks can keep Giannis, Dame, Middleton, and Lopez healthy, they’re the best team and will win it all again.
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They have a great starting five. After that...
Yeah, it’s very bleak after Derrick White and Horford, whichever is the 5th starter And Horford is 37 and cannot be counted on every night anymore.
The best reserves are otherwise listed as Hauser, Kornet, and Pritchard. That’s barely G League good.
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Holiday is a great player, but the C’s lost a lot of grit and toughness getting rid of Smart and both Williams.
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The best reserves are otherwise listed as Hauser, Kornet, and Pritchard. That’s barely G League good.
It's early. They still have plenty of time to trade for Joey.
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Wow. I think Boston now has the edge over Milwaukee. Although they did get rid of Robert Williams. But that team can be scary good if Porzingas holds up.
You're afraid of the Celtics every season...
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Jrue is a HUGE upgrade over Smart. And with him getting to be the 4th or even 5th option on offense should make him more efficient offensively.
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I have to say the Milwaukee/Boston match-up is really good for the NBA. I cannot think of anything in recent years as exciting as these two teams battling both in the reg season and playoffs. It's absolute must see TV. And there are obviously some intriguing rivalries in the West.
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Jimmy's look at Media Day is...something.
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Hoo knew, hey?
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Harden is mad. Still demanding a trade.
Philly is Pfuked. What could they get for him?
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Jimmy's look at Media Day is...something.
Taking the Dame and Jrue trades hard. Plus, now he still has to play with Herro.
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Taking the Dame and Jrue trades hard. Plus, now he still has to play with Herro.
Who dislikes Herro more, JFB or the Hauser clan?
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Harden is mad. Still demanding a trade.
Philly is Pfuked. What could they get for him?
The Bulls should trade LaVine for him. At least the Bulls would be an interesting .400 team. (I doubt Philly would take LaVine's contract)
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Jimmy's look at Media Day is...something.
If this becomes his NBA profile picture for the season like the extensions last year, it’s objectively hilarious. Shades of Clinton Portis
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Jimmy's look at Media Day is...something.
For the first time in history Stephen A. Smith was speechless. ;D
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Jimmy's look at Media Day is...something.
That was real? I saw pictures and thought it was the media picking on him whining about unfairness/tampering.
I really can't believe that was real.
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Giannis at Bucks media day (from The Athletic):
Milwaukee Bucks star Giannis Antetokounmpo addressed his contract situation Monday, reiterating that it does not make sense financially to sign an extension with the team this year, but added, “I want to be a Milwaukee Buck for the rest of my career as long as we are committed to winning.”
Here’s what you need to know:
“I don’t remember where I said it, but I said it did not make sense to sign a contract right now because money isn’t important, but a lot of f—— money is important, so I’m going to sign it next year,” Antetokounmpo said during the Bucks’ media day ahead of the upcoming season.
Antetokounmpo, 28, has two years remaining on the five-year, $228 million supermax extension he signed in 2020. He also has a player option for the 2025-26 season.
Antetokounmpo also addressed Milwaukee’s recent trade for seven-time NBA All-Star Damian Lillard, saying, “We added another level to our team. … (The Bucks front office has) shown they’re committed to winning a championship. I’m happy.”
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I know it’s the nature of cap rising, but to the conversations about how the elite NBA stars are actually underpaid…kind of wild to look at Giannis, one of the unquestioned 3 best players in the world, on a 5/$228 deal when Devin Vassel and his 18/4/3 who isn’t even in the top 20 players in the West, just got 5/$150
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I know it’s the nature of cap rising, but to the conversations about how the elite NBA stars are actually underpaid…kind of wild to look at Giannis, one of the unquestioned 3 best players in the world, on a 5/$228 deal when Devin Vassel and his 18/4/3 who isn’t even in the top 20 players in the West, just got 5/$150
I have to admit, I had to look up that name, Devin Vassel. I do not even remember him in college, let alone the NBA.
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That was real? I saw pictures and thought it was the media picking on him whining about unfairness/tampering.
I really can't believe that was real.
He's just trolling.
Last year, he showed up for media day in dreadlocks.
(https://staticg.sportskeeda.com/editor/2022/10/01c05-16667472978049-1920.jpg)
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He's just trolling.
Last year, he showed up for media day in dreadlocks.
(https://staticg.sportskeeda.com/editor/2022/10/01c05-16667472978049-1920.jpg)
Not just dreads, dreads that were hair extensions
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He's just trolling.
Last year, he showed up for media day in dreadlocks.
(https://staticg.sportskeeda.com/editor/2022/10/01c05-16667472978049-1920.jpg)
Maybe he should focus on basketball and not hairstyles and he might win a ring. He’s no Hauser
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https://twitter.com/HoodieBev/status/1709586096777273413?s=20
Oof
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https://twitter.com/HoodieBev/status/1709586096777273413?s=20
Oof
(https://img.ifunny.co/images/5ced19b2a3553f11afff5758f16c1c218087e19fb100e8ff87e867a1d402b2d9_1.jpg)
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Nm
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I love all the NBA analysis that Holiday was not good enough for the Bucks to win a championship but now on the Celtics he is one of the best players all time.
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I love all the NBA analysis that Holiday was not good enough for the Bucks to win a championship but now on the Celtics he is one of the best players all time.
The man can dribble with his left hand, he's the best player on the team
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I haven’t seen many, if any, analysts say Jrue wasn’t good enough for the Bucks to win a title. He was quite literally the missing piece for the Bucks to win a title.
Jrue is awesome and he’ll be incredible for the Celtics.
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I haven’t seen many, if any, analysts say Jrue wasn’t good enough for the Bucks to win a title. He was quite literally the missing piece for the Bucks to win a title.
Jrue is awesome and he’ll be incredible for the Celtics.
Right. The problem is they could not score the last two years come playoff time. Middleton has fallen off and Allen wasn’t good enough. But you have to give up something to get something.
Not to mention that Giannis didn’t just want to roll the same group back out there.
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The man can dribble with his left hand, he's the best player on the team
I get this joke
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Lauren Holiday wasn't exactly thrilled with how the Bucks told Jrue he was traded.
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Lauren Holiday wasn't exactly thrilled with how the Bucks told Jrue he was traded.
Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I think this ends up blowing up on the Bucks.
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Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I think this ends up blowing up on the Bucks.
I'm shocked this is how they told him.
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Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I think this ends up blowing up on the Bucks.
It might.
But I don’t think running the same squad back was going to work either.
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I'm shocked this is how they told him.
It’s a business and he’s naive to think he wouldn’t possibly be traded after last year’s flameout. However, I agree with you. He deserved better
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It might.
But I don’t think running the same squad back was going to work either.
For sure. Needed to be bold. Sometimes, bold moves don’t work. Hoping it does work
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I like the trade. My concern is a new coach and Lopez staying healthy. Holiday is a terrific all around-player but the Bucks had major stretches where they were anemic in their h-c offense . And while Lillard isn't much of a defender there were a number of times the Bucks got shredded, including in the playoffs. Lillard's game should absolutely complement Antetokounmpo's.
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#22 scorched his ass in da playoffs. Time ta bee peddled, hey?
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Lauren Holiday wasn't exactly thrilled with how the Bucks told Jrue he was traded.
Yeah Lauren, there is a little downside to the massive amount of money your husband will earn in his career. Your lives may be uprooted in a moments notice. And millions would also gladly trade their problems for yours in a heartbeat.
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I saw Grayson said he had a few missed calls from the team, but was playing FIFA. I think they found out from media reports and then he checked his phone.
I know Horst played it very close to the vest. I don’t think you tell Jrue about the trade until it’s complete. It stinks, but if it doesn’t get done, then you risk Jrue being pissed his name came up in trade talks.
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Not looking good for Miles
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/38636653/suspended-hornets-f-miles-bridges-criminal-summons-issued (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/38636653/suspended-hornets-f-miles-bridges-criminal-summons-issued)
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Rough week for the Hornets
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Not looking good for Miles
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/38636653/suspended-hornets-f-miles-bridges-criminal-summons-issued (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/38636653/suspended-hornets-f-miles-bridges-criminal-summons-issued)
Another outstanding young man molded by Izzo.
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Another outstanding young man molded by Izzo.
Bet Izzo regrets having Keith Appling handle Bridges’ recruitment visits and mentorship
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Bet Izzo regrets having Keith Appling handle Bridges’ recruitment visits and mentorship
And then there's Adereian Payne, who seemed to have an incredible relationship with a Make A Wish child, died trying to protect a domestic violence victim, but in between admitted to being involved in Appling's sexual assault.
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Another outstanding young man molded by Izzo.
Bridges was sitting on the State bench last year for a few games. I thought that was a very bad look for Izzo
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Bridges was sitting on the State bench last year for a few games. I thought that was a very bad look for Izzo
Izzo’s track record of molding boys to men is why one would transfer to play for him
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Bridges was sitting on the State bench last year for a few games. I thought that was a very bad look for Izzo
Yeah, I didn't even realize that. That's very odd, at best. Maybe having the guy who can't be on an NBA court because of felony domestic violence shouldn't be sitting on your college team's bench while he serves his NBA suspension.
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And then there's Adereian Payne, who seemed to have an incredible relationship with a Make A Wish child, died trying to protect a domestic violence victim, but in between admitted to being involved in Appling's sexual assault.
FWIW, didn’t he admit it to police during the investigation? If I recall, it happened when he and Appling were freshmen. And the Lacey stuff didn’t happen until a few years later when he was a senior. Obviously it doesn’t excuse sexual assault if he indeed committed that crime, but at least a most consistent timeline of actions since that point. He seemed to then be a standup dude from age 19 on while Appling…welp.
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FWIW, didn’t he admit it to police during the investigation? If I recall, it happened when he and Appling were freshmen. And the Lacey stuff didn’t happen until a few years later when he was a senior. Obviously it doesn’t excuse sexual assault if he indeed committed that crime, but at least a most consistent timeline of actions since that point. He seemed to then be a standup dude from age 19 on while Appling…welp.
Good points.
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Izzo’s track record of molding boys to men felons is why one would transfer to play for him
FIFY
<to be fair to Izzo, its not just him, it's the whole university>
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Miles Bridges teaches a master class on how to ruin a promising NBA career.
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It’s still preseason/early, but after a rough Summer League relative to expectations, Wemby is certainly looking the part as advertised. SHEESH
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If the NBA is serious about expansion they should send a team to Seattle and take all of OKC's picks to create a team. Return the favor for taking the Sonics and moving them to OKC.
15 firsts and 22 seconds over the next 7 years for the Thunder. All those picks, plus a lot of tradeable contract. If/when Embiid requests a trade they should make a serious run at him. They could provide a really good package without giving up SGA, Giddey, Jalen Williams, or Chet. I hate Embiid, but add him to those 4 as a starting lineup and my goodness you have something. And would STILL have a lot of picks in your control.
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I always wondered why any FA would want to sign with OKC, but it is really a cool city. Kinda like a more modern Milwaukee- lots of renovation.
Just starting our westward voyage and spent yesterday in the Bricktown section of the city. Very upscale and includes the PayCom Arena. Looks like a great place to party if the Thunder ever get to the Finals.
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Free agents care about money and championships. They will play wherever it if helps them achieve those things.
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I always wondered why any FA would want to sign with OKC, but it is really a cool city. Kinda like a more modern Milwaukee- lots of renovation.
Just starting our westward voyage and spent yesterday in the Bricktown section of the city. Very upscale and includes the PayCom Arena. Looks like a great place to party if the Thunder ever get to the Finals.
I can appreciate the first hand perspective, but I can honestly say you're the first person Ive ever heard describe OKC as "really cool". My sister has a couple of old coworkers/now good friends who are OK St grads and Oklahoma natives and they describe OKC as "Fort Worth...but a lot less cool". And thats cowboy land Ft Worth, not Dallas.
There's a ton of oil and nat gas money there, so there is some cool and nice stuff. But its pretty comfortably in the bottom 3 of least desirable NBA cities with Sacramento and SLC.
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I can appreciate the first hand perspective, but I can honestly say you're the first person Ive ever heard describe OKC as "really cool". My sister has a couple of old coworkers/now good friends who are OK St grads and Oklahoma natives and they describe OKC as "Fort Worth...but a lot less cool". And thats cowboy land Ft Worth, not Dallas.
There's a ton of oil and nat gas money there, so there is some cool and nice stuff. But its pretty comfortably in the bottom 3 of least desirable NBA cities with Sacramento and SLC.
As I said, I was mainly in the Bricktown area which has been pretty much gentrified. Converted warehouses, upscale restaurants, etc.
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Harden skipped practice.
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Terry Stotts stepping down as an assistant for the Bucks isn't really the best news for the Bucks right now...
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Pissin' match wit Giannis/Griffin, hey?
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Pissin' match wit Giannis/Griffin, hey?
Maybe he wrote a letter
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People leave bad managers
Time for the "head of cabbage vs Adrian Griffin"
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Pretty sure #34 iz inn charge, aina?
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Terry Stotts stepping down as an assistant for the Bucks isn't really the best news for the Bucks right now...
I can't disagree with you. WTF?
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Pretty sure #34 iz inn charge, aina?
Yeah, maybe he didn’t like the letter
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I can't disagree with you. WTF?
Dunno, maybe Dame didn't like his old coach.
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Predictions on WWWD? (When Will Wemby Dominate). 2025 or 2026?
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Yep, Stotts and Griffin butted heads. Rumors of disagreement on how the offense should run. Stotts wanting the 3 ball, and Griffin wanting the offense to go thru #34.
Predictably, not good for #0, aina?
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Yep, Stotts and Griffin butted heads. Rumors of disagreement on how the offense should run. Stotts wanting the 3 ball, and Griffin wanting the offense to go thru #34.
Predictably, not good for #0, aina?
Dame should some leadership and write a letter
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Yep, Stotts and Griffin butted heads. Rumors of disagreement on how the offense should run. Stotts wanting the 3 ball, and Griffin wanting the offense to go thru #34.
Predictably, not good for #0, aina?
3 ball? That's against NBA rules only 1 ball.
Predictions on Dame's usage rate this year? His usage rate has been over 29 since 2016. I'm guessing it'll be ~26% next year with Giannis maintaining over a 30% usage rate.
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Doesn’t appear that Stotts was mentally ready to just be an assistant again.
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Or he soon realized Griffin is not ready to be an NBA head coach, aina?
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Doesn’t appear that Stotts was mentally ready to just be an assistant again.
This.
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Or he soon realized Griffin is not ready to be an NBA head coach, aina?
Stotts decision to quit shows great leadership then
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Obviously it's still preseason basketball, but the Bucks look like green snot, both offensively and defensively, aina?
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come on fellas-they're playing their "C" & "D" players...thanasis and beauchamp in at crunch time says it all. waiting for mallory to spell aj green
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If the Bucks season depends on an assistant coach, then they weren’t going far anyway.
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If the Bucks season depends on an assistant coach, then they weren’t going far anyway.
4elder wants Giannis and the Bucks to fail so he can finally be right the Bucks should have peddled his azz despite them winning a title and all
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File under 'bat $h!t crazy': hearing Patrick Williams wants a $200MM extension.
For both Bulls fans and non-Bulls fans information, Williams is an under sized lazy power forward for the Chicago Bulls. He has averaged 9.7 PPG and 4.3 RPG.
I predict the Bulls will give him $250MM
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Clearly you’ve never heard of manifestation ;D
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Clearly you’ve never heard of manifestation ;D
Ha! The tiny amount of people who have seen him play or even know who he is, would say the Bulls would be crazy to resign him at any amount. I honestly think Joey H would be a more effective NBA player than Williams. $200MM? ::)
I guess, slightly in his defense, he has been a starter in the NBA; albeit on one of the worst teams in the league, and he is only a starter to justify the Bulls taking a borderline 1st round pick with the 4th pick in the draft.
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Ha! The tiny amount of people who have seen him play or even know who he is, would say the Bulls would be crazy to resign him at any amount. I honestly think Joey H would be a more effective NBA player than Williams. $200MM? ::)
I guess, slightly in his defense, he has been a starter in the NBA; albeit on one of the worst teams in the league, and he is only a starter to justify the Bulls taking a borderline 1st round pick with the 4th pick in the draft.
Yeah you’re way, way underrating Williams. No he’s not worth as much as he thinks. But he’s a ton better than you’re pretending he is. I’d love him on the Bucks right now.
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Yeah you’re way, way underrating Williams. No he’s not worth as much as he thinks. But he’s a ton better than you’re pretending he is. I’d love him on the Bucks right now.
Any Bulls fan I've talked to or read posts of agrees with me that he's a guy that doesn't contribute as much as his stats indicate (10p/4r). Like the exact opposite of a Draymond Greene. My electric toothbrush has a higher motor than Williams.
Lucky for you, I think your Bucks will have the opportunity to pay him $200,000,000.
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Yeah you’re way, way underrating Williams. No he’s not worth as much as he thinks. But he’s a ton better than you’re pretending he is. I’d love him on the Bucks right now.
Yea there is a HUGE gap between $200M contract and Joey Hauser.
I’m not super high on him as a “star” but he’s only 22, this is only his 3rd full season (missed most of his 2nd year with injuries), and came into the league as a bit of a project.
Hell, JFB averaged 12/5/2 in his 3rd year on a much more competent Bulls team. Williams averaged 10/4/1.5 in less minutes for a dumpster fire. Still has a lot of upside
Speaking of upside…I watched most of a Wemby game for the first time last night and MY GOD. He’s going to be absolutely insane in 2-3 years if he holds up physically. His pure length and disruptiveness as a result is wild to watch. He drew a foul on a rebound where Looney jumped straight up for the ball…but Wemby had one of his spider limbs reaching a foot over his head from a few feet away and Looney hit him with his hand on the ball and got a loose ball foul. Just nuts. I remember Porzingis coming in and being talked about as “The Unicorn” and Wemby makes him look like a stiff. Still a lot for put together and consistency/health is a huge factor, but his potential as a player is a player/type we’ve never seen before
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Hell, JFB averaged 12/5/2 in his 3rd year on a much more competent Bulls team. Williams averaged 10/4/1.5 in less minutes for a dumpster fire.
Thank you for supporting my argument. Williams' teammate who went to the Spurs' dumpster fire the same year averaged 18/4/4. Garbage teams give mid level talent the opportunity to pad their stats. If Williams averaged 10/4/1.5 for the teams Butler was on, you may have a point.
Williams starts to 'cover' for the FO wasting #4 pick, but he really does not get starter minutes .... even on a garbage team.
Look, Williams is not the reason the Bulls are a dumpster fire, he's just another log on that fire.
I don't care about the guy, I hope he gets all he can, but the stats and the level of play + he's 22 with possible up side, screams $50M, 4 Years.
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Thank you for supporting my argument. Williams' teammate who went to the Spurs' dumpster fire the same year averaged 18/4/4. Garbage teams give mid level talent the opportunity to pad their stats. If Williams averaged 10/4/1.5 for the teams Butler was on, you may have a point.
Williams starts to 'cover' for the FO wasting #4 pick, but he really does not get starter minutes .... even on a garbage team.
Look, Williams is not the reason the Bulls are a dumpster fire, he's just another log on that fire.
I don't care about the guy, I hope he gets all he can, but the stats and the level of play + he's 22 with possible up side, screams $50M, 4 Years.
You think playing with Lavine and DeRozan gives him "opportunity to pad [his] stats?"
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You think playing with Lavine and DeRozan gives him "opportunity to pad [his] stats?"
Hard to pad stats when your play and lack of effort keeps your minutes in the mid 20s. His playing time has nothing to do with Lavine and DeRozan.
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Hard to pad stats when your play and lack of effort keeps your minutes in the mid 20s. His playing time has nothing to do with Lavine and DeRozan.
His shot attempts do though. Which is where you pad your stats.
If 28 mpg is some crazy low number for a guy who was 21 years old all season last year I don’t know what to say. You’re acting like he’s some player that couldn’t even get on the court for a horrible team. The reality is 28 MPG would be 4th most on just about any roster in the NBA (including the Bulls).
Anyway, can’t wait to see Joey Hauser getting those minutes in the NBA when he’s 21!
Oh wait, Joey was playing 21 MPG at MSU when he was 21 years old, and had 2 more years of college basketball to follow.
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His shot attempts do though. If 28 mpg is some crazy low number for a guy who was 21 years old all season last year I don’t know what to say. Can’t wait to see Joey Hauser getting those minutes in the NBA when he’s 21!
Oh wait, Joey was playing 21 MPG when he was 21 years old, and had 2 more years of college basketball to follow.
This is true. My Joey comment was hyperbole due to my absolute shock that Williams believes he's a $200M player.
The overarching point is Williams is expecting to be paid like a star not like a guy who plays 28 mpg on a team with very little competition for playing time.
I think we/I have spent too much time on a player no one will remember in 5 years?
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This is true. My Joey comment was hyperbole due to my absolute shock that Williams believes he's a $200M player.
The overarching point is Williams is expecting to be paid like a star not like a guy who plays 28 mpg on a team with very little competition for playing time.
I think we/I have spent too much time on a player no one will remember in 5 years?
But that’s what the discussion is. NOBODY outside of Williams, his family, and his agent thinks he deserves $200MM. You have full support there. But then you went to basically describe him as an abject bum, JH replacement level. That’s silly.
I think 4/$50 is a fair deal. As for nobody remembering him in 5 years? He’s a productive player at 22 who hasn’t reached his ceiling, I would bet ALOT of money on him still being in the league in 5 years, and maybe very good if he’s on a better team/org
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But that’s what the discussion is. NOBODY outside of Williams, his family, and his agent thinks he deserves $200MM. You have full support there. But then you went to basically describe him as an abject bum, JH replacement level. That’s silly.
Please read my response. I admitted hyperbole.
I think 4/$50 is a fair deal. As for nobody remembering him in 5 years? He’s a productive player at 22 who hasn’t reached his ceiling, I would bet ALOT of money on him still being in the league in 5 years, and maybe very good if he’s on a better team/org
We will have to wait and see. I think passion and energy for playing basketball does not increase as you get older. Skills, feel and smarts get better. Maybe there are some good examples of talented players with low motors finding a love for the game?
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Giannis signs three year extension.
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Giannis signs three year extension.
4elder in shambles
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Giannis signs three year extension.
Player option for fourth year
https://sports.yahoo.com/report-bucks-giannis-antetokounmpo-agree-to-3-year-186-million-extension-224020789.html
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Absolutely MASSIVE. Wonder how much getting Dame had to do with it, but man way to get it done. I was genuinely worried he may move to a LA/Miami sort of team after this deal, but now he’s locked through age 33/34 and a very real chance he retires as a Buck.
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Absolutely MASSIVE. Wonder how much getting Dame had to do with it, but man way to get it done. I was genuinely worried he may move to a LA/Miami sort of team after this deal, but now he’s locked through age 33/34 and a very real chance he retires as a Buck.
Logic behind Giannis extending now
https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1716591246314013085?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
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Great day for the city of Milwaukee
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Logic behind Giannis extending now
https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1716591246314013085?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
That will buy a lot of brats.
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4elder in shambles
He still has MU to rag on. But Shaka is ruining all his boo-hoo here too.
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Great day for the city of Milwaukee
Sure, if anybody survives living there.
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Oh..... yes. That makes the Lillard trade an A+ no matter what happens this season.
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Logic behind Giannis extending now
https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1716591246314013085?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Whole lot of revisionist history on this from Marks and a lot of the experts. They're absolutely flummoxed that Milwaukee just ran roughshod over all of their preconceived notions.
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Has anyone been to Giannis' restaurant?
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The level of ESPN bias against the Bucks is pathetic. Pretty much all of their NBA people except Legler are a disgrace. I've seen the clips. For months and months and months they have openly tried to get Giannis to leave Milwaukee. Now, that he's staying, they're making up some convoluted nonsense and criticizing his decision? What a bunch of losers.
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The level of ESPN bias against the Bucks is pathetic. Pretty much all of their NBA people accept Legler are a disgrace. I've seen the clips. For months and months and months they have openly tried to get Giannis to leave Milwaukee. Now, that he's staying, they're making up some convoluted nonsense and criticizing his decision? What a bunch of losers.
I don't think its a specific bias against the Bucks, its just the nature of big market media, both for places like ESPN, as well as the NBA.
The two best players in the world are in markets outside of the top 10 (and now the new young #1 pick, potential superstar is in another small market). Bucks I believe are actually bottom 5, market size wise. The narrative has always been for stars to go to big markets when they "outgrow" their initial team or when they are getting a big deal.
Giannis has bucked that trend, thankfully, but thats a long history of traditional thinking/storylines for NBA stars before him. Media plays into that and talking heads like Windhorst need to play their stories/sources as strongly as possible to seem legit. I heard plenty of chatter about Giannis leaving after this deal...whether Miami or maybe even somewhere like GS. I don't know how much was just fictional buzz or reality, but it was there. So guys like Windy stir that up. Then when its proved false, they can't go "oh I was wrong or I heard wrong" cause then they lose credibility or look speculative. So they just double down and criticize. They are entertainment writers who cover sports, not Pulitzer caliber journalists.
Stephen A ripped Windhorst this morning for criticizing the deal which was funny.
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I don't think its a specific bias against the Bucks, its just the nature of big market media, both for places like ESPN, as well as the NBA.
The two best players in the world are in markets outside of the top 10 (and now the new young #1 pick, potential superstar is in another small market). Bucks I believe are actually bottom 5, market size wise. The narrative has always been for stars to go to big markets when they "outgrow" their initial team or when they are getting a big deal.
Giannis has bucked that trend, thankfully, but thats a long history of traditional thinking/storylines for NBA stars before him. Media plays into that and talking heads like Windhorst need to play their stories/sources as strongly as possible to seem legit. I heard plenty of chatter about Giannis leaving after this deal...whether Miami or maybe even somewhere like GS. I don't know how much was just fictional buzz or reality, but it was there. So guys like Windy stir that up. Then when its proved false, they can't go "oh I was wrong or I heard wrong" cause then they lose credibility or look speculative. So they just double down and criticize. They are entertainment writers who cover sports, not Pulitzer caliber journalists.
Stephen A ripped Windhorst this morning for criticizing the deal which was funny.
Jwags,
I saw tbe clips of Windbag and Bobby Marks. Absolutely inexcusable imo.
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I also think they need to fill air time, and with the regular season losing importance, the biggest story is player movement. Harden and Kyrie have been goldmines for that. With the ring culture, everything is about the playoffs and the regular season drama isn’t really there.
Just sit back and enjoy that so far, Giannis has made everyone look silly by going against the narrative.
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Who cares
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https://x.com/eric_nehm/status/1716925364830892275?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
How lucky is Milwaukee to have Giannis?
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Jokic is ridiculous. How do you guard the guy?
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Giannis said he did not even know the value of contract extension he signed
https://www.si.com/nba/2023/10/24/giannis-antetokounmpo-new-contract-extension-without-knowing-numbers
Excellent video of Giannis speaking of the city in the article as well
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I think, for the first time LBJ looks old to me. Not bad, just old.
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I think, for the first time LBJ looks old to me. Not bad, just old.
Anthony Davis also looked outclassed by Jokic.
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Anthony Davis also looked outclassed by Jokic.
0 points in the 2H. Impressive. :o
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0 points in the 2H. Impressive. :o
Zero?? I didn't even realize that. I have no idea how you guard Nikola. He's tremendously skilled and seems to be able to bully anyone he wants.
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Zero?? I didn't even realize that. I have no idea how you guard Nikola. He's tremendously skilled and seems to be able to bully anyone he wants.
Dude is a handful. Even speed doesn't phase him.
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Dude is a handful. Even speed doesn't phase him.
Exactly. He's always under control and if you double he'll just shred the defense. No offense to Jimmy Buckets but that's not a guy I would fk with physically either.
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It doesn't look like the Bucks will miss Grayson Allen.
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I think, for the first time LBJ looks old to me. Not bad, just old.
I didn't see one second of the game, but I did just read the guy in The Athletic saying, "LeBron James still looks great." His exact words. Doesn't mean you are wrong and he is right, just relaying a different POV.
Wouldn't surprise me if he looks old, though. He is ancient by NBA standards.
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I didn't see one second of the game, but I did just read the guy in The Athletic saying, "LeBron James still looks great." His exact words. Doesn't mean you are wrong and he is right, just relaying a different POV.
Wouldn't surprise me if he looks old, though. He is ancient by NBA standards.
He’ll be haunting the shut and dribble crowd at least through next season
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It doesn't look like the Bucks will miss Grayson Allen.
But if they find themselves in a situation where they need that particular skill, who do they have who can deliver an effective nut punch or trip someone? Any chance they'll get Davison on a two-way?
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I didn't see one second of the game, but I did just read the guy in The Athletic saying, "LeBron James still looks great." His exact words. Doesn't mean you are wrong and he is right, just relaying a different POV.
Wouldn't surprise me if he looks old, though. He is ancient by NBA standards.
Thats just part of the trope with Lebron though. Every year its "Year (insert what number season it is)!" whenever he makes an athletic play.
He didn't look bad, but he definitely looked slow of foot, especially defensively. And not in a "Lebron plays lazy defense to save energy" way like he has the last few years, but rather just not quick enough on rotations and such.
I agree he still will play at least another year after this, but it will be very interesting to see him come Feb/Mar, I think his legs are gonna be REALLY heavy.
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Hmmm...NBA or NFL? NFL or NBA?
Myles Garrett just became a part owner of the Cavs (https://x.com/cavs/status/1717248065940201912?s=20). Hopefully that means he'll stick around Cleveland for a bit longer.
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Hmmm...NBA or NFL? NFL or NBA?
Myles Garrett just became a part owner of the Cavs (https://x.com/cavs/status/1717248065940201912?s=20). Hopefully that means he'll stick around Cleveland for a bit longer.
Why did the tweet call him a minority partner instead of just a partner, hmm? Makes you think
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Thats just part of the trope with Lebron though. Every year its "Year (insert what number season it is)!" whenever he makes an athletic play.
He didn't look bad, but he definitely looked slow of foot, especially defensively. And not in a "Lebron plays lazy defense to save energy" way like he has the last few years, but rather just not quick enough on rotations and such.
I agree he still will play at least another year after this, but it will be very interesting to see him come Feb/Mar, I think his legs are gonna be REALLY heavy.
That's what I saw and not as assertive on offense. He had a nice drive and slam in the 2H but he didn't get much above the rim.
Just amazing what he has accomplished. True legend.
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Thanks for providing good context re LeBron, Wags and WT.
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Why did the tweet call him a minority partner instead of just a partner, hmm? Makes you think
Let’s have Heisy look into this.
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Thats just part of the trope with Lebron though. Every year its "Year (insert what number season it is)!" whenever he makes an athletic play.
He didn't look bad, but he definitely looked slow of foot, especially defensively. And not in a "Lebron plays lazy defense to save energy" way like he has the last few years, but rather just not quick enough on rotations and such.
I agree he still will play at least another year after this, but it will be very interesting to see him come Feb/Mar, I think his legs are gonna be REALLY heavy.
His individual defense is getting worse every year( to be expected). But his team defense is still outstanding.
As far as Feb/Mar, I ‘think’ he’ll probably be OK as I expect his minutes will be down this year due to the team having the same concerns that you talked about.
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Wemby vs Omax as soon as this game is over.
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Bulls an impressive 6-23 from 3.
But, P. Williams on pace for 12pts, 0 rebs and 26 min.
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Wemby vs Omax as soon as this game is over.
I’m definitely tuning in
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Bulls an impressive 6-23 from 3.
But, P. Williams on pace for 12pts, 0 rebs and 26 min.
Sweet Jesus.
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Sammy with 0 on 0-4, 0-4.
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Sammy with 0 on 0-4, 0-4.
And the lineup that had him and Pritchard on the court gave up a huge run early in the 4th. That’s going to be their problem. Great top 6. Will have to play some rough lineups with the lack of depth beyond that.
And at some point Horford has to age. If it’s this year that’s a problem for them.
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Ughhh. C'mon ESPN. Flip on OMax/Wemby.
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Time for Dallas to get OMax on tbe floor. They're not a good defensive team.
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It's time for the Bulls to tank. That team is an utter disaster.
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Dwight Howard in the news.
https://nypost.com/2023/10/25/sports/dwight-howard-accused-of-sexual-assault-by-man-in-lawsuit/
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Whoa.....Harrison Barnes with 27 at the half on 10'11, 5-5 from distance.
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Wemby will learn but two cheap fouls.
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It's time for the Bulls to tank. That team is an utter disaster.
Not going to happen. If you haven't noticed, Zach Lavine only wins in the NBA. I don't think he has ever missed the playoffs and he will elevate this team to success.
:o
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Not going to happen. If you haven't noticed, Zach Lavine only wins in the NBA. I don't think he has ever missed the playoffs and he will elevate this team to success.
:o
LOL.
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Impressed with Wemby’s passing.
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What exactly is the "NBA Cup"?
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What exactly is the "NBA Cup"?
It's what NBA players wear to protect the NBA jewels.
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What exactly is the "NBA Cup"?
Personal defense against Grayson Allen?
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It doesn't make any sense to me. What's the point?
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It doesn't make any sense to me. What's the point?
I agree. No point. Even if a fan was excited about it, they would never admit it for fear of being made fun of.
The NBA players have made it abundantly clear the regular season is pointless.
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I agree. No point. Even if a fan was excited about it, they would never admit it for fear of being made fun of.
The NBA players have made it abundantly clear the regular season is pointless.
But according to Richard Jefferson when he played for the Spurs they were obsessed about "winning every game". When they lost there was "total silence" on the team bus. I suppose this was one of the years when they didn't load manage.
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Wembanyama has a nice couple minutes to give Spurs the lead. Then Pop just has him standing in the corner as a floor-spreader while other Spurs force it inside and keep losing the ball.
Pop obviously knows more ball than all of us put together, but that was curious strategy.
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Wembanyama has a nice couple minutes to give Spurs the lead. Then Pop just has him standing in the corner as a floor-spreader while other Spurs force it inside and keep losing the ball.
Pop obviously knows more ball than all of us put together, but that was curious strategy.
Ya...get Wemby touches and on the move. the kid will be fine but there's a bit of a learning curve.
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It's time for the Bulls to tank. That team is an utter disaster.
The Bulls had a "players only" meeting after game 1. LOL.
It appears your declaration of "utter disaster" is correct. Perhaps the continuity strategy was incorrect. Maybe the Bulls are more of the definition of 'Insanity'; doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome.
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Meanwhile, boring #2 overall pick Brandon Miller scored 8 key points down the stretch to help the Hornets actually win their opener.
Unlike the Panthers, at least the Hornets can't go winless this season!
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The Bulls had a "players only" meeting after game 1. LOL.
It appears your declaration of "utter disaster" is correct. Perhaps the continuity strategy was incorrect. Maybe the Bulls are more of the definition of 'Insanity'; doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome.
How pathetic. How long have we implored them to start over?
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I just turned on the Bucks. Lillard with a nice little barrage of buckets.
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Bucks have a chance ta be special, aina?
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The offense will be awesome. Dame’s talent is obvious. Beyond that, the ball movement and player movement is so much better.
Also, Dame and Giannis is a perfect pair. But huge Brook Lopez screens for Dame 30 feet from the basket make a big man trying to defend Dame in that much space impossible.
I don’t know that I’ll love the defense being in rotation all game.
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Mallory looks lonely sittin' next ta her old man....and I don't mean #8, hey?
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The offense will be awesome. Dame’s talent is obvious. Beyond that, the ball movement and player movement is so much better.
Also, Dame and Giannis is a perfect pair. But huge Brook Lopez screens for Dame 30 feet from the basket make a big man trying to defend Dame in that much space impossible.
I don’t know that I’ll love the defense being in rotation all game.
Should Beauchamp or Beasley start?
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I know the guy who sold his condo to #3. In the counteroffer was written, "buyer shall provide seller with an autographed Bucks jersey at closing," hey?
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Should Beauchamp or Beasley start?
Beasley. Better shooter, more consistent offense, and Beauchamp has the tools to be a good defender while Beasley is not. So Beasley is on the court while both Giannis and Brook are in to rim protect and Beachamp can help the second team defense more than Beasley.
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Not a good defensive start to the 3Q.
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Apparently they read my post. :)
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Giannis has been out of control and forcing for no reason.
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Pretty ugly h-c basketball for the Bucks. No idea why Giannus continues to take 3's.
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Only the first game, but Giannis needs to find his teammates
Pretty ugly h-c basketball for the Bucks. No idea why Giannus continues to take 3's.
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I haven't seen Middleton at all. Ya....Giannis has forced way too much and his FT's and J have been brutal. Move the basketball. Pretty goof 4th Q for Jae.
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Middleton’s played. Minutes restricted.
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Lillard is only a career .895 FT shooter?
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Pretty good debut for Dame.
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Dame is a way difference maker when needing a shot than Jrue.
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Dane is a way difference maker when needing a shot than Jrue.
Different level. He can score in the h-court and is underrated on the blow-by. That said (I get that it's game 1) the Bucks should be way more efficient in their offensive sets.
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That game was the epitome of why you traded for Dame. What a player, what a performance. Absolutely unreal.
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Dane is a way difference maker when needing a shot than Jrue.
The Danish are known for shot making.
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That game was the epitome of why you traded for Dame. What a player, what a performance. Absolutely unreal.
Exactly right JWags. Giannis had an unusually poor game (for him). Lillard is a multidimensional scorer and all you need to do is give him the rock up high.
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I'm really going to enjoy having Dame here in Milwaukee.
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Different level. He can score in the h-court and is underrated on the blow-by. That said (I get that it's game 1) the Bucks should be way more efficient in their offensive sets.
New guys, new coach. It’s going to take awhile for them to work it out. But last night was really a great example of why they made that trade.
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Giannis was way off with his shot yesterday and looked uncomfortable at the line. Hopefully he figures it out but it's a bit of an enigma. Perhaps I should be on the Bucks staff or his personal shooting coach.
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Giannis was way off with his shot yesterday and looked uncomfortable at the line. Hopefully he figures it out but it's a bit of an enigma. Perhaps I should be on the Bucks staff or his personal shooting coach.
Don't quit your day job at the Pentagon.
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Bucks should win 45 games
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Bucks should win 45 games
in a row?
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in a row?
I think 45-37 is about where they finish. Teams will figure them out pretty easy
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I think 45-37 is about where they finish. Teams will figure them out pretty easy
If the Bucks only go 45-37, people will lose their sh!t in Wisconsin.
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If the Bucks only go 45-37, people will lose their sh!t in Wisconsin.
Rico is just callin balls and strikes, man.
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Nah, its just sum folks have mushy, smelly, stuff fore brains, aina?
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GIannis needs to slow down in tbe half-court sets when guarded one on one and move the rock when he is doubled. Too much (one speed) balls to the wall attacks vs a set D. No need to be Speedy Gonzalez vs a 6'6 guy in tbe wide post. His passing and decision makingi is critical to the Bucks' maximizing their offense. Way too many out of control turns. There is 0.0 reason for him to force action from the top in their offense. Move tbe basketball and move without the basketball.
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GIannis needs to slow down in tbe half-court sets when guarded one on one and move the rock when he is doubled. Too much (one speed) balls to the wall attacks vs a set D. No need to be Speedy Gonzalez vs a 6'6 guy in tbe wide post. His passing and decision makingi is critical to the Bucks' maximizing their offense. Way too many out of control turns. There is 0.0 reason for him to force action from the top in their offense. Move tbe basketball and move without the basketball.
Giannis had a bad game (by his standards, I mean we're still talking about a 23 point, 13 rebound performance) but it is one game. Philly also has PJ Tucker and Embiid, who are two of the only players who I think have a prayer of guarding Giannis effectively. And yesterday showed why the Dame addition was such a good one. When an opponent commits to limiting #34, Dame will eviscerate them.
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Nah, its just sum folks have mushy, smelly, stuff fore brains, aina?
This is NBA talk, not the dentists crime thread
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Nah, its just sum folks have mushy, smelly, stuff fore brains, aina?
Shut up and drill unless you have shooting advice for the MVP
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I think 45-37 is about where they finish. Teams will figure them out pretty easy
A lot depends on Griffin, but I think I trend more towards 55-27, give or take.
Giannis had a bad game (by his standards, I mean we're still talking about a 23 point, 13 rebound performance) but it is one game. Philly also has PJ Tucker and Embiid, who are two of the only players who I think have a prayer of guarding Giannis effectively. And yesterday showed why the Dame addition was such a good one. When an opponent commits to limiting #34, Dame will eviscerate them.
And this is why. I think Lillard's effect on the offense is gonna positively impact Giannis in a variety of ways. Less offensive pressure, more space, etc... They suffer a bit defensively, but last night showed how fast they can flip a game offensively. And Dame is one of the best closers of the last 10-20 years and the Bucks could really use one of those.
I think there will be more up and downs but they are a more fun team swapping Jrue for Dame, and I LOVED Jrue.
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One game, and I hope he settles in, but there was some stuff from Griffin I didn't love last night. That said, when they had the regular rotation in place with Khris they had Philly on the ropes. I think it was 55-37 at one point in the second quarter before that small run going into half.
Second half rotation was really puzzling. I get KM is on restricted minutes, but Griffin practically made line changes and the reserves got cooked.
The defense... I don't know. If the plan is to throw a buncha junk at teams to disrupt, they still need to be more solid in a base defense. But their aggressiveness got punished a bunch last night. It was like Bud never left with the amount of open threes they gave up.
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Shut up and drill unless you have shooting advice for the MVP
#34 needs to lock himself in gym and practice free throws 'til he pukes. Oh, and quit shootin' 3's, hey?
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I think this is a bigger adjustment for Giannis than it is for Dame (would be for any forward, especially one has ball dominant as Giannis has been). He's getting the ball in different places, seeing defenders in different places and needs to make split decisions. Dame's just hoopin
Watch the film, find your outlet passes - guys are walking wide ass open out there. Also, stop taking 3s - you do not - under any circumstances gotta "keep them honest".
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If the Bucks only go 45-37, people will lose their sh!t in Wisconsin.
If the Bulls go 45-37, people in Chicago will lose their sh!t in Chicago.
(in a different way ;))
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Can't wait for another season of hearing that Trae Young is disrespected and is truly an elite star/talent...as he starts the season with an all too common combined 8 for 34 from the floor and the Hawks lose two in a row.
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Curry is shredding dudes and doing Curry things on ESPN.
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yeah, sure...
I think 45-37 is about where they finish. Teams will figure them out pretty easy
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Soon to be $200M man Patrick Williams (3/3/1) earns 13 minutes of playing time in an OT game, albeit on an absolutely stacked Bulls roster. ;)
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Can't wait for another season of hearing that Trae Young is disrespected and is truly an elite star/talent...as he starts the season with an all too common combined 8 for 34 from the floor and the Hawks lose two in a row.
Can’t wait for him to go 19-20 against the bucks tomorrow.
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After an impressive 0pt, 3reb effort, Pat Williams is trending toward being an ex-Bull and possibly ex-NBA player. Bulls are hinting he is going to the bench soon. Maybe never to be seen again.
I think we can just assume he is bad and I'll do my best to call out any above average play instead. Most likely the this is the last P. Williams post on Scoop.
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Hard for anybody else to score any points when LaVine is shooting every time he crosses midcourt.
(But I actually agree with you about Pat Williams.)
What a mess the Bulls are.
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I'll admit I was wrong about Holmgren. I'm watching Denver/OKC and he looks fantastic. Tremendously skilled offensive game. This OKC team may make some noise this year. They have four really good young players.
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Wrong thread?
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Meanwhile Jokic is completely dominant. The guy is incredible. You never see him make bad decisions.
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Jokic doesn't look like he's in tip-top condition yet but man......the guy is filthy good. 22 pts, 9 rebs, 5 dimes in tbe 1st half. He seems to be separating himself from Embiid and Giannis. He's not as good defensively but he's significantly better offensively. And it's basketball 101 really. If he's guarded one on one he schools dudes on the block or on the pick and pop. If he's doubled he shreds the defense with his passing abilities. The only 5 who may be as skilled (offensively) is Hakeem but Jokic is a load and more dangerous dropping dimes. Truthfully I don't think Jokic is playing with great complimentary players other than Murray.
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After an impressive 0pt, 3reb effort, Pat Williams is trending toward being an ex-Bull and possibly ex-NBA player. Bulls are hinting he is going to the bench soon. Maybe never to be seen again.
I think we can just assume he is bad and I'll do my best to call out any above average play instead. Most likely the this is the last P. Williams post on Scoop.
I’ll bet the over on your Patrick Williams posts on Scoops at 0.5.
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The Sixers sitting Embiid for load management for their home opener is interesting.
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The Sixers sitting Embiid for load management for their home opener is interesting.
Dame and Giannis better be playing tonight.
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The Sixers sitting Embiid for load management for their home opener is interesting.
I thought the NBA was cracking down on that?
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The Bucks have allowed 24 pts in 7 mins? WTF?
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The Bucks have allowed 24 pts in 7 mins? WTF?
And then only gave up 7 more in the next 8 minutes.
Runs happen. Especially in game 2 of a season with a ton of last year’s minutes gone. It’s okay.
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And then only gave up 7 more in the next 8 minutes.
Runs happen. Especially in game 2 of a season with a ton of last year’s minutes gone. It’s okay.
They read my post?
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Bur I see they're down 15. Does Griffin seem competent?
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Their perimeter defense is...not great right now.
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Their perimeter defense is...not great right now.
And apparently their offense isn't either. Auxiliary coaching options?
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And apparently their offense isn't either. Auxiliary coaching options?
Really growing weary of your over-the-top commentary in every topic.
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Really growing weary of your over-the-top commentary in every topic.
We all appreciate you growing weary.
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Giving up 68 is a lot in 24 mins.
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8 Hawks in double figures through 3 quarters.
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Dame having perhaps the worst game of his career.
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113 pts allowed with 9 mins left in the 4Q?
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Their perimeter defense is...not great right now.
There's a reason teams don't play this aggressively in their base halfcourt defense.
So far they've played one good quarter out of 8. Not good.
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There's a reason teams don't play this aggressively in their base halfcourt defense.
So far they've played one good quarter out of 8. Not good.
Are they overpressuring and autoswitching? That always drove me up the wall with Wojo.
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Wembanyama with 11 points, 5 turnovers as Spurs get blown out by the Clippers.
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45 wins might have been too optimistic
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Fookin' disgustin'. Bucks should be ashamed of themselves for givin' this clown an audience, hey?
https://twitter.com/SweetCarmel77/status/1718781734903308709?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1718781734903308709%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=about%3Ablank
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Fookin' disgustin'. Bucks should be ashamed of themselves for givin' this clown an audience, hey?
https://twitter.com/SweetCarmel77/status/1718781734903308709?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1718781734903308709%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=about%3Ablank
He did a pretty good job with the song, what'd he do otherwise?
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Privilege is having enough time, energy, and comfort to actually be bothered by who sung the national anthem for a meaningless regular season NBA game.
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There was better talent on The Gong Show, hey?
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There was better talent on The Gong Show, hey?
I haven't seen an episode of the Gong Show since about 1978, so I'll trust you on that one.
He did fine.
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I like the idea of local celebrities or d-listers coming out and having a crack at the anthem. You don't need to be the best singer in the world to belt out your national pride.
Add a ranking system like Top Gear's lap in a reasonably priced car
This is the best idea I've had all morning. Gonna call it a day
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An NBA writer at The Athletic is calling this 70-foot alley-oop pass from Jokic to Aaron Gordon "the best pass I've ever seen."
https://twitter.com/NBA/status/1718071870975594715?s=20
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I like the idea of local celebrities or d-listers coming out and having a crack at the anthem. You don't need to be the best singer in the world to belt out your national pride.
Add a ranking system like Top Gear's lap in a reasonably priced car
This is the best idea I've had all morning. Gonna call it a day
Rest up for tomorrow. Maybe you’ll have another one.
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An NBA writer at The Athletic is calling this 70-foot alley-oop pass from Jokic to Aaron Gordon "the best pass I've ever seen."
https://twitter.com/NBA/status/1718071870975594715?s=20
That is a pretty amazing pass.
However, this writer must not have seen MU vs Grambling on November 12, 2013, otherwise known as the birthdate of Magic Dawson.
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That is a pretty amazing pass.
However, this writer must not have seen MU vs Grambling on November 12, 2013, otherwise known as the birthdate of Magic Dawson.
You win. Shut the thread down.
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Another Wolves/Hawks game I flip to. Another game where the Wolves score at will anytime Young is on the court.
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Another Wolves/Hawks game I flip to. Another game where the Wolves score at will anytime Young is on the court.
Went back to baseball, I might have all time jinxed this.
Tho to be fair Young is still a minus +/- even with Hawks rolling the second half.
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Curry with another 40 pt game. 15-22 and 7 triples.
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Harden to the Clippers.
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Harden to the Clippers.
I'm shocked how well Philly did in that trade. Kudos to them.
I guess it's just the Clippers being Clippers.
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I'm shocked how well Philly did in that trade. Kudos to them.
I guess it's just the Clippers being Clippers.
And for Harden he gets to live in LA without the pressure of playing for the Lakers. Pretty good deal if you're insistent on coasting for the rest of your career.
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Pretty sure Harden, PG, Leonard, and Westbrook are all FAs after this year. And they basically have no good draft picks for like 5 years.
LA is a Lebron retirement/continued brittle AD away from having 2 mediocre teams
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Wemby needs to lower his dribble.
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Fun finish to the first half. Durant dunked right in Wembanyama's face ... and then in the very next sequence, Wembanyama went around KD and dunked on the entire Phoenix team.
Suns are killing the Spurs at halftime, though; that dunk was Wemby's first hoop of the game.
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Wemby is at least a full year away. Eventually he'll get there but this will be a year primarily of learning. The Spurs are brutally bad. I would like to see him play a little closer to the rim.
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Nice little sequence from Wemby.
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Wow! One of the craziest games I've ever seen!
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Wemby is at least a full year away. Eventually he'll get there but this will be a year primarily of learning. The Spurs are brutally bad. I would like to see him play a little closer to the rim.
A year away from what? Turnovers and 3 point shooting are the only thing to complain much about right now. But he's already averaging 16, 8, and 2 and is All Defense good on the other side of the court.
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The Bucks are down 66-44 at the half!!! To Toronto!! Toronto!! WTH is going on?
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The Bucks are down 66-44 at the half!!! To Toronto!! Toronto!! WTH is going on?
They’re losing
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Coach sucks and #34 duzant know how to play without being the alpha dog, aina?
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Bring back Budenholzer!
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#22 is over da hill. Gave him the bag, bad knees and all, hey?
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The Bucks are down 66-44 at the half!!! To Toronto!! Toronto!! WTH is going on?
Yeah. It’s the end of the world.
And the Celtics may be the greatest team ever.
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I know it's only game four but this seems concerning.
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Ohhmmmmm
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They don't seem to play any defense which is alarming.
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That is a pretty amazing pass.
However, this writer must not have seen MU vs Grambling on November 12, 2013, otherwise known as the birthdate of Magic Dawson.
Magic Dawson became a thing when I christened him as such during a back and forth with Ners.
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I know it's only game four but this seems concerning.
are we really going to do this for another whole season?
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are we really going to do this for another whole season?
As a Bulls fan, I say to Bucks fans R-E-L-A-X.
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Yes, it's early. But they look awful.
I know Bud was a head coach before, but look at how they started when he took over. It was night and day from Kidd. Nothing revolutionary in terms of tactics, but he was able to communicate what he wanted, had a veteran team, and they executed.
This is the risk of hiring a guy who has never been in the big chair. Doing it with a championship level roster was a massive gamble. I'll give it some time, but this has not been a good start for Griffin.
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#22 is over da hill. Gave him the bag, bad knees and all, hey?
Been saying it for a while, Middleton is washed.
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How many more Ls until Dame writes a letter?
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How many more Ls until Dame writes a letter?
Probably if they lose to the Heat.
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Yes, it's early. But they look awful.
I know Bud was a head coach before, but look at how they started when he took over. It was night and day from Kidd. Nothing revolutionary in terms of tactics, but he was able to communicate what he wanted, had a veteran team, and they executed.
This is the risk of hiring a guy who has never been in the big chair. Doing it with a championship level roster was a massive gamble. I'll give it some time, but this has not been a good start for Griffin.
What would you do if you were the HC? It seems to me their defense is a disaster.
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Big half for Wemby.
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Wemby dropped 38 on 15-26, 3-6 fom distance. Uh....the thought of this kid in a year or so has to be very unsettling for the rest of the NBA. Look the F out when he gets stronger and more comfortable. Durant looks small next to him.
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Wemby dropped 38 on 15-26, 3-6 fom distance. Uh....the thought of this kid in a year or so has to be very unsettling for the rest of the NBA. Look the F out when he gets stronger and more comfortable. Durant looks small next to him.
He’s going to be the best player in the world sooner than later. Smooth, skilled, savvy.
Also, the global game is in an incredible spot right now. Best players in the world are from France, Serbia and Greece. Throw in Doncic from Slovenia and it’s clear the NBA’s global outreach that began in the 80’s might be David Stern’s greatest legacy.
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I didn't see the game but I just went back and watched the highlights. Wow ... impressive is an understatement.
Bummed that the Hornets didn't win the lottery, but they probably would have found a way to screw it up. He's in a good spot with Pop, and it's fun to watch the kid do that kind of video-game stuff in an NBA game.
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If Wemby stays healthy, he could join and maybe even surpass Jordan, King James, and Kareem. That looks like a future top 5 player to me.
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Jokic only had 33, 14, and 9 yesterday on 14-16 from the field. I don't get the narrative that he's not fun to watch.
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Jokic only had 33, 14, and 9 yesterday on 14-16 from the field. I don't get the narrative that he's not fun to watch.
Whoever says that is insane
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Whoever says that is insane
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Obviously Perk got some backlash for his idiotic comments but there were a lot of people on ESPN that played the "he's not exciting" card. Right now he's separated himself as clearly the best player in the league imo.
When I watch Giannis I'm concerned a little bit because he still really hasn't learned how to play in the half-court with any consistency. What makes Jokic so special is he sees the floor and makes the right decision with the ball instantaneously. He can score pretty much at will one on one once he catches it at the FT line or mid-post. What's crazier is he's probably a better passer than scorer.
He's as fundamentally sound as Duncan but with better touch and range. I think he's the best offensive big I've ever seen. You can't overstate how critical his passing abilities are towards their success. He truly makes guys around him better, much better.
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Whoever says that is insane
He's like watching a middle aged guy at the YMCA play.
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He's like watching a middle aged guy at the YMCA play AGAINST 10 YEAR OLDS.
fify
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fify
How do the shots all go in? How are all of his passes on target? He's not even moving that much but he in control of the game somehow? Dominant old guy energy
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How do the shots all go in? How are all of his passes on target? He's not even moving that much but he in control of the game somehow? Dominant old guy energy
He's 28! He actually has pretty good wheels for a man his size.
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Jokic only had 33, 14, and 9 yesterday on 14-16 from the field. I don't get the narrative that he's not fun to watch.
Dog whistle code for 'white'.
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https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1720867798568907096?t=Wmp2Y_Cl86zUWLvCsGgoPQ&s=19
Haha Embiid is a joke. Throws an elbow and acts like a truck ran him over.
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I guess Jokic is having an off night with the back to back. He only 9-16, 28 pts, 14 rebs, and 7 dimes.
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I don't know anything about this business but how much would you pay for a Wemby rookie card?
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If he were a rookie in 1974 and the lone card-maker still were Topps, plenty.
But there are a bazillion "rookie cards" now, and I wouldn't pay for any of them unless I happened to simply want to own one.
Could one or two turn out to be an "investment"? Maybe. Good luck figuring out which one or two.
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I don't know anything about this business but how much would you pay for a Wemby rookie card?
Given what you lead in with, zero.
If you want it as a personal collectible, then whatever you’re comfortable with. As a flip/investment value, don’t go swimming with sharks
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Dog whistle code for 'white'.
Snowflake mentality.
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I don't know anything about this business but how much would you pay for a Wemby rookie card?
a buck and hope it's worth five in 40 years.
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James Harden makes his Clippers debut tonight, and he reportedly will start alongside the team's other former All-Stars.
Harden. Westbrook. Leonard. George. One basketball. Should be fun!
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I don't know anything about this business but how much would you pay for a Wemby rookie card?
None, Sam Backman Fried served as notary on my Wemby NFT
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I don't know anything about this business but how much would you pay for a Wemby rookie card?
Muggsy, did you not take the advice given?
https://www.si.com/nba/spurs/news/san-antonio-spurs-exclusive-victor-wembanyama-rookie-card-auction-ken-goldin-king-of-collectibles-impact-potential#:~:text=In%20one%20of%20Goldin%20Auctions,makes%20this%20card%20so%20valuable%3F (https://www.si.com/nba/spurs/news/san-antonio-spurs-exclusive-victor-wembanyama-rookie-card-auction-ken-goldin-king-of-collectibles-impact-potential#:~:text=In%20one%20of%20Goldin%20Auctions,makes%20this%20card%20so%20valuable%3F)
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As someone said - avoid the new cards. Luck is never a good strategy.
If you want to invest in cards, buy up solid Mickey Mantle cards from the 50s and 60s.
He has driven the card market for many decades and I don’t see it changing.
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As someone said - avoid the new cards. Luck is never a good strategy.
If you want to invest in cards, buy up solid Mickey Mantle cards from the 50s and 60s.
He has driven the card market for many decades and I don’t see it changing.
Being a Sox fan, trading my Honus Wagner for a rookie Ron Kittle straight up was like taking candy from a baby.
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As someone said - avoid the new cards. Luck is never a good strategy.
If you want to invest in cards, buy up solid Mickey Mantle cards from the 50s and 60s.
He has driven the card market for many decades and I don’t see it changing.
Or buy Pokemon cards.
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Or buy Pokemon cards.
Should I sell my beenie baby collection to buy these?
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I have some NFT's that I am sure are worth something.
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Another boring game for Jokic. He only had 35, 14, and 12. The guy is phenomenal.
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LeBron is averaging 36 min/game. No missed games. Is this sustainable if the Lakers want to make noise in the playoffs?
I guess you could say it has to be if the Lakers want to make the playoffs.
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LeBron is averaging 36 min/game. No missed games. Is this sustainable if the Lakers want to make noise in the playoffs?
I guess you could say it has to be if the Lakers want to make the playoffs.
He’s a freak - but, no it is not sustainable.
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Philly is a better team without Harden.
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Refs got the under in the Bucks game
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Refs got the under in the Bucks game
Good Grief. Bucks are down 8 at home to Detroit? 95 pts allowed in 3Q??? WTF?
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SGA is going bananas. 38 through 3Q.
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Bucks should play under protest. Shameful officiating. Pistons have had multiple demonstrations worse than what got Giannis ejected.
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Bucks should play under protest. Shameful officiating. Pistons have had multiple demonstrations worse than what got Giannis ejected.
Oh....I didn't realize Giannis was ejected. Damn.
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The ref that T'd up Giannis on the dunk should be suspended...
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Maxey is a total stud. Hard not to like that kid. He has serious zoomability.
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Maxey is a total stud. Hard not to like that kid. He has serious zoomability.
I don’t like him
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Or buy Pokemon cards.
But not from Blake Martinez.
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So, is this Bucks team ever going to defense, hey?
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Charmin-soft Tyler Herro out again with injury. The Heat got better after he got hurt last season.
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Imagine if Giannis had a bag
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What happened to Lillard?
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What happened to Lillard?
He has diarrhea
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Very frustrating last 4 mins for the Bucks.
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Bucks will win a lot of games and be fun, but they’re not winning a title if this doesn’t get fixed (It won’t)
https://x.com/bucksfilmroom/status/1722962242046468583?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
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Bucks will win a lot of games and be fun, but they’re not winning a title if this doesn’t get fixed (It won’t)
https://x.com/bucksfilmroom/status/1722962242046468583?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
That is horrible. :o
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The whole staff stinks. Prunty was brutal last night after Griffin got tossed.
I know he's used Brook in drop more, but last night he's guarding Haliburton on the perimeter down the stretch. Indiana is basically playing 5 out the last 8 minutes. The Bucks built a lead with Bobby and Crowder on the floor, and Prunty brings in Beasley and Payne, two minus defenders, to close the game.
Still seeing too much stubbornness with the defense. This is an old team with some mediocre/bad defenders. Gotta find ways to contain and not extend them too far.
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The above comments are 100% correct. I watched part of the 3rd and 4th quarter last night. This team is an unmitigated disaster defensively, including their rebounding. Slow to react, marginal box outs, and they look like they're on skates vs the dribble drive. You're not doing diddly squat come playoff time if you can't get a stop. I believe they were up 117-109 with about 4:15 to play. Indiana proceeded to score on every possession while the Bucks could not execute at all in their half-court offense. They better make some changes to whatever their philosophy is because tbe result of their putrid defense will be death.
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I think they can overcome a middling defense if the offense isn't so labored. And a big part of that is 34 realizing he doesn't need to initiate the offense.
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https://youtu.be/fE3_WfFei00?si=J72Q7JJwrJ34D28C
lol.
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Bucks suck, hey?
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They might need to give Bud Craig Counsell money to come back midseason
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It's obviously early but the Bucks have simply not been very good. It's easy to blame the new coach, and he may be terrible, but the players have to step up. From what I've seen Middleton is nowhere close to being what he was, Lopez may be feeling his age, and most importantly their individual, transition, and collective defense has been down right atrocious. And that includes every guy on the floor. Maybe this motivates them but they need to figure out how to defend for starters. Two other glaring stats are they are 29th in rebounding and 28th in assists. In closing they have a lot or work to do.
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See what they can get from the Heat for Lillard. Peddle his azz!
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See what they can get from the Heat for Lillard. Peddle his azz!
I'd rather the Heat keep Herro. Getting better every year, and he plays hungry
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I'd rather the Heat keep Herro. Getting better every year, and he plays hungry
Lol. Ok.
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Griffin wuz a terrible choice. But #34 picked 'im. Defense and reboundin' sucks, aina.
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I'd rather the Heat keep Herro. Getting better every year, and he plays hungry
I think fans of every other team in the NBA would also prefer the Heat keep Herro. And probably most front offices, especially with that contract.
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I think fans of every other team in the NBA would also prefer the Heat keep Herro. And probably most front offices, especially with that contract.
Dentists disagree
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Lol. Ok.
Devils advocate, he’s not entirely wrong about Herro. He’s 23, currently averaging 23/5/5 on 45/41/90 splits. That’s pretty f-ing great for 23. If it was Herro for Dame straight up, then of course you take Dame. But Herro plus a bunch of other assets and picks, I don’t totally fault Heat fans not wanting to lose Herro as a big piece.
And is that contract THAT bad really? Maybe for trading purposes, but Devin Vassell just got $29/MM a year, same age but markedly inferior statistics. Cam Johnson just got $25/MM a year and he’s way behind Herro production wise.
I know Herro is a regular punching bag here. But he gets talked about like a late 20s dude averaging 15 a game. I obviously don’t think he’s a super max player, but I don’t think he’s an overpaid joke either and I think he’s a very good fit for that team.
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Devils advocate, he’s not entirely wrong about Herro. He’s 23, currently averaging 23/5/5 on 45/41/90 splits. That’s pretty f-ing great for 23. If it was Herro for Dame straight up, then of course you take Dame. But Herro plus a bunch of other assets and picks, I don’t totally fault Heat fans not wanting to lose Herro as a big piece.
And is that contract THAT bad really? Maybe for trading purposes, but Devin Vassell just got $29/MM a year, same age but markedly inferior statistics. Cam Johnson just got $25/MM a year and he’s way behind Herro production wise.
I know Herro is a regular punching bag here. But he gets talked about like a late 20s dude averaging 15 a game. I obviously don’t think he’s a super max player, but I don’t think he’s an overpaid joke either and I think he’s a very good fit for that team.
This is fair
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Devils advocate, he’s not entirely wrong about Herro. He’s 23, currently averaging 23/5/5 on 45/41/90 splits. That’s pretty f-ing great for 23. If it was Herro for Dame straight up, then of course you take Dame. But Herro plus a bunch of other assets and picks, I don’t totally fault Heat fans not wanting to lose Herro as a big piece.
And is that contract THAT bad really? Maybe for trading purposes, but Devin Vassell just got $29/MM a year, same age but markedly inferior statistics. Cam Johnson just got $25/MM a year and he’s way behind Herro production wise.
I know Herro is a regular punching bag here. But he gets talked about like a late 20s dude averaging 15 a game. I obviously don’t think he’s a super max player, but I don’t think he’s an overpaid joke either and I think he’s a very good fit for that team.
He’s a very good offensive player who shows zero interest (or ability) in defending anyone. Luckily for him it’s the perfect spot where Bam, Jimmy, and the coaching staff can help cover that up.
But there’s a reason that even with his good offensive production the Heat still stink offensively until Jimmy puts the team on his back in the Playoffs. Herro would be better as an off ball shooter who attacks closeouts than the featured offensive play maker. Aka the Heat’s offense in the regular season vs. post season.
Him and Poole are one and the same.
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Hellofa playa, hey?
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He’s a very good offensive player who shows zero interest (or ability) in defending anyone. Luckily for him it’s the perfect spot where Bam, Jimmy, and the coaching staff can help cover that up.
I don't disagree, but thats hardly unique to him. A LOT of 2nd/3rd tier level "stars" like that, unfortunately. But thats part of the reason I said he's a great fit in Miami, cause of what you alluded to.
Him and Poole are one and the same.
Now that I disagree with, to some extent. Defensively, sure, but I think Herro is a more complete player.
Career splits..
Herro: 18/5/4 on 45/39/88 shooting
Poole: 16/3/3 on 42/33/88 shooting
But the difference for me.
Number of games in 2022-2023 with under 40% shooting on more than 15 attempts?
Herro: 9
Poole: 24, already 4 this season.
Poole is far more likely to shoot you out of a game. If you go more than 10 or 12, it gets WAY worse for Poole. Some of it is obviously coaching, but I think Herro has a better sense of playing within the game and not chucking than Poole does.
I think Poole has hit his ceiling, I think Herro still has a bit more ceiling. Whats funny is I think Poole's natural ceiling is higher due to his speed and athleticism, but he doesn't show a lot of interest in being more than Nick Young 2.0, especially now that he's on a bad team.
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Speaking of dumpster fires......Memphis just beat the Clippers in LA. :)
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Will Harden ask to be traded by Thanksgiving?
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I woodant give a drumstick, pecan pie, or sweet potato stuffin' fore hiz arrogant ass, hey?
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I woodant give a drumstick, pecan pie, or sweet potato stuffin' fore hiz arrogant ass, hey?
LOL! Meanwhile Maxey has 21pts, on 9-11 shooting,with 7 mins left in the 2Q. Talk about addition by subtraction. I like guys with zoomability. :)
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Jae Crowder out two months after having abductor surgery
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I woodant give a drumstick, pecan pie, or sweet potato stuffin' fore hiz arrogant ass, hey?
76'ers seem better without the bearded dude. maxey just dumped 50 on the pacers
hardon who?
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76'ers seem better without the bearded dude. maxey just dumped 50 on the pacers
hardon who?
You when you see Joy Behar?
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You when you see Joy Behar?
looks like nina agdal at closing time though
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Once again hilarious seeing Steve Kerr defend some dirty Draymond Green decision
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Once again hilarious seeing Steve Kerr defend some dirty Draymond Green decision
I don't think it was "dirty" per se, I just think it was hilariously random. Like Draymond saw the scuffle as his chance to assert dominance over Gobert. If he laid him out or looked to hurt him in any way, thats dirty. It was a headlock for gods sake. It was dumb and he deserved to be tossed and fined, but im not clutchin pearls.
Meanwhile, the Clippers are already doing Clippers stuff. Down 3 with 15 seconds, plenty of time in the modern NBA to even get a quick 2 and foul, much less draw up a great play for 3. Actually have momentum after Leonard wakes up from sleepwalking all game to get a steal and cut it to one. In-bound, 2 guys standing in the corner, half baked maneuvering leads to a hand off to Paul George, tightly guarded, and he basically jab steps and isos before jacking up a contested 3 that sticks at the rim for a jump ball at center court. L..O...L
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Once again hilarious seeing Steve Kerr defend some dirty Draymond Green decision
Steve is a great coach. I'd love to have him on my bench. But, he doesn't strike me as a particularly bright guy.
Draymond has issues. Rodman had issues. His emotions have served him well on the whole but you have to put up with the BS. It was bush league stuff, as always, and it will cost him money and games as it should.
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"Steve Kerr is stoopid" is an interesting take.
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"Steve Kerr is stoopid" is an interesting take.
Everything is either black or white? How's that working out for you?
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Kerr is too woke.
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Steve Kerr is not a "particularly bright guy" might be one of the oddest things I have read here in awhile. It pretty much goes against everything I have heard about him.
He's just defending his guy. That's what coaches do.
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Steve Kerr is not a "particularly bright guy" might be one of the oddest things I have read here in awhile. It pretty much goes against everything I have heard about him.
He's just defending his guy. That's what coaches do.
You're reading way to much into a single comment. I said he is great. I said I want him as my team's coach. I was a season ticket holder in the Jordan years and love Steve.
A basketball coach not being a generally bright guy is not close to calling him dumb. And it is not that unusual for a high profile coach in most sports. (Ditka, Izzo, etc.)
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You're reading way to much into a single comment. I said he is great. I said I want him as my team's coach. I was a season ticket holder in the Jordan years and love Steve.
A basketball coach not being a generally bright guy is not close to calling him dumb. And it is not that unusual for a high profile coach in most sports. (Ditka, Izzo, etc.)
What makes you think he isn't "generally a bright guy?"
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Steve Kerr is not a "particularly bright guy" might be one of the oddest things I have read here in awhile. It pretty much goes against everything I have heard about him.
He's just defending his guy. That's what coaches do.
Yeah I'm gonna trend more towards general coach speak as opposed to thinking the grandson of a prominent biochemisty, the son of a respected academic and university professor, and a guy who was actively involved in a bunch of different things off the court, including writing columns and ownership groups, before becoming a coach...isn't too bright. Comparing him to Ditka or a guy like Izzo (who has spent his entire life in a Michigan bubble) is wild.
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Don't think you can call Kerr anything of the dumb sort
But hes clearly a sh itbag.
I just saw the highlights. Forget constantly putting up with Draymond being a danger to others and overall trash can person but his lies of what happened in a video we all have eyes and can see, was something a psycho would do.
He tried to act like Klay was a victim and Draymond was the hero.
Klay started the whole thing there is literal video showing it. And he made up out of thin air that Rudy was the first choker and Draymond went full superman to save the day. Lunatic.
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Everything is either black or white? How's that working out for you?
I guess I just found your comment to be not extremely bright.
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Don't think you can call Kerr anything of the dumb sort
But hes clearly a sh itbag.
I just saw the highlights. Forget constantly putting up with Draymond being a danger to others and overall trash can person but his lies of what happened in a video we all have eyes and can see, was something a psycho would do.
He tried to act like Klay was a victim and Draymond was the hero.
Klay started the whole thing there is literal video showing it. And he made up out of thin air that Rudy was the first choker and Draymond went full superman to save the day. Lunatic.
I couldn't agree more. And Green's act has been wearing thinner and thinner. I've said for years I hope someone like Steven Adams levels him.
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Trade Giannis amirite
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Green got 5 games. LOL.
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I guess I just found your comment to be not extremely bright.
That's fair.
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This Oubre story is rather bizarre. Police say there's no evidence of a hit and run. That said why would anyone make this up?
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Green got 5 games. LOL.
Seems fair to me.
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Seems fair to me.
Agreed. I was just thinking how stupid his reaction was.
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Boston won in Philly without Brown or Porzingas. Uh-Oh?
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Boston won in Philly without Brown or Porzingas. Uh-Oh?
Crown em.
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Boston won in Philly without Brown or Porzingas. Uh-Oh?
Bucks won in Toronto without Giannis. Uh oh?
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Crown em.
LOL.
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Dame looked a lot like Kolek out there tonight.
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Hearing many teams are scouting Bulls games. The Bucks should put together a shopping list.
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Hearing many teams are scouting Bulls games. The Bucks should put together a shopping list.
With all the assets and decent sized salary they have available to trade.
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With all the assets and decent sized salary they have available to trade.
I honestly don't know the Bucks situation. I wouldn't give up hope; the Bulls front office isn't exactly a bunch of Jerry Wests.
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ESPN's studio NBA people are bad. And by bad I mean a total abomination. Give TNT every game.
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I'm not saying I'm always right when projecting NBA guys, but I do remember being dumbfounded that Ball and Fultz were universally regarded as better prospects than De'Aaron Fox. I couldn't figure that one out at all.
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I'm not saying I'm always right when projecting NBA guys, but I do remember being dumbfounded that Ball and Fultz were universally regarded as better prospects than De'Aaron Fox. I couldn't figure that one out at all.
Fox is a score first PG who isn't a great distributor and still doesn't have a reliable outside shot. He plays for a great team for a skill set like his, but if he wasn't on a team averaging 120 points a game, he would be a 16/3/3 sort of player with bad shooting splits. There is a reason he hasn't been an All Star.
Ball got unfairly judged because of his father, so unless he was a mega star from the jump he had haters cackling...and he also got tossed into a bad situation in LA with Lebron arriving. Then the injuries. His last season in NO he put up 15/6/5 and shot nearly 40% from deep after reworking his shot, plus he's a very good defender. If not for injuries, he was on the cusp of being an elite PG, not combo/scoring guard, but a true PG who could also score when needed.
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This Oubre story is rather bizarre. Police say there's no evidence of a hit and run. That said why would anyone make this up?
I didn't see that the police said "no evidence" just that there's "no video or photographic evidence that depicts this collision". Unless I'm misunderstanding, all that might mean is that the accident occurred in place not captured by security/traffic cameras. I'm not familiar with the area so I don't know how many blind spots there are.
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I didn't see that the police said "no evidence" just that there's "no video or photographic evidence that depicts this collision". Unless I'm misunderstanding, all that might mean is that the accident occurred in place not captured by security/traffic cameras. I'm not familiar with the area so I don't know how many blind spots there are.
And somehow f'ing TMZ got his damn Ring Cam footage as he arrives home
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I didn't see that the police said "no evidence" just that there's "no video or photographic evidence that depicts this collision". Unless I'm misunderstanding, all that might mean is that the accident occurred in place not captured by security/traffic cameras. I'm not familiar with the area so I don't know how many blind spots there are.
You're right that its about video evidence but there has been insinuations that have begun about him making up the story entirely it appears.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/38908591/police-say-no-video-evidence-found-alleged-hit-run-involving-sixers-kelly-oubre
Ive barely paid attention to the story but looking at it, does seem pretty bizarre that there is already some belief he might be making it up completely and also why he would do that.
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You're right that its about video evidence but there has been insinuations that have begun about him making up the story entirely it appears.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/38908591/police-say-no-video-evidence-found-alleged-hit-run-involving-sixers-kelly-oubre
Ive barely paid attention to the story but looking at it, does seem pretty bizarre that there is already some belief he might be making it up completely and also why he would do that.
If he's walking into his apartment with a bike, maybe he got hurt on his bike and there's something in his contract on injuries from certain things.
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If he's walking into his apartment with a bike, maybe he got hurt on his bike and there's something in his contract on injuries from certain things.
This.
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Was surprised to see a dominating Bucks team last night. Was surprised to see that their record's 8-4.
Given some of the talk here, I thought they were gonna be something like 3-8 and look horrendous.
Like the Hornets.
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Was surprised to see a dominating Bucks team last night. Was surprised to see that their record's 8-4.
Given some of the talk here, I thought they were gonna be something like 3-8 and look horrendous.
Like the Hornets.
Well, when you read Dr. Mope, the world is always burning
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Sez da ray of sunshine in a thunderstorm. Right back at ya, hey?
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Was surprised to see a dominating Bucks team last night. Was surprised to see that their record's 8-4.
Given some of the talk here, I thought they were gonna be something like 3-8 and look horrendous.
Like the Hornets.
Can we glean anything from the Hornets getting pummeled?
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Can we glean anything from the Hornets getting pummeled?
Nope. It's 12 games into the season, and a team like the Milwaukee has an entirely new dynamic to figure out. It's too early to glean anything from anything.
(Actually, we can pretty confidently glean that the Hornets are still the Hornets - overpaying for lots, contending for zippo.)
A year ago, you had proclaimed the Celtics to be the next superteam. They weren't. Maybe they still can be. Maybe not.
A dozen or so games are in the books for each team. The season still has forever to go.
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Jimmy is shooting 47%+ from 3 this year. No way it's a fluke
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Bucks suck
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Bucks suck
I forgot they played tonight.
<checks score>
🙄🙄🙄
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Sounds like a fun game at Fiserv. I'm not sure Dallas is much of a contender. They have nothing inside and basically will have to go bananas from distance because they're mediocre defensively.
Are Klay Thompson or Wiggins movable? The Dubs desperately need a big.
Holmgren is the real deal. I was dead wrong about his readiness for the NBA.
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I see the Bulls were about 3,000 shy of a sellout. Saturday against Miami. That's not good.
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I see the Bulls were about 3,000 shy of a sellout. Saturday against Miami. That's not good.
Sleeping giant.
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Bucks suck
Doomed.
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With Zach LaVine expressing a desire to be traded, there are few intersting options being thrown out. I kind of like LaVine for Klay Thompson and picks. That gets the Bulls out of a terrible contract and some picks.
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With Zach LaVine expressing a desire to be traded, there are few intersting options being thrown out. I kind of like LaVine for Klay Thompson and picks. That gets the Bulls out of a terrible contract and some picks.
Interesting.....is Klay's contract expiring?
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Interesting.....is Klay's contract expiring?
It is.
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It is.
I'd pull the trigger
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Antetokounmpo-Lillard crunchtime partnership in win over Mavs exactly what was feared by NBA
https://theathletic.com/5074575/2023/11/19/giannis-lillard-bucks-mavs/?source=pulsenewsletter&campaign=8282443
MILWAUKEE — For 43 minutes on Saturday, the Dallas Mavericks did everything they could to slow down Giannis Antetokounmpo. And for 43 minutes, they never really found a good answer to their problem.
He knocked down a pair of free throws with a little more than five minutes left to up his scoring to 38 points. By then the seven-time All-Star had made 17 of his 27 shots and scored 32 points in the paint in helping create a one-point lead. He also had tallied seven assists. And yet, with the game still in the balance, Antetokounmpo moved aside in crunchtime and watched as his new teammate, Damian Lillard, took over and operated the offense.
On the next four possessions, all run by Lillard, the Bucks scored 11 points. In that same span they did enough defensively to open up a seven-point lead en route to pulling out a 132-125 victory to move to 9-4 on the season. Antetokounmpo finished with 40 points, 15 points and seven assists. Lillard ended the night with 27 points, three rebounds and 12 assists, including eight points and two assists while running the show for the final five minutes.
Their combined 48-minute effort was, to date, the best example of exactly what the rest of the league feared when Bucks general manager Jon Horst paired two of the league’s most powerful offensive engines of the last decade by trading for Lillard days before training camp opened in Milwaukee.
“I think tonight, he’s the horse,” Lillard said of Antetokounmpo. “I wanna see him be four-time MVP or five-time MVP and have those type of games. And I’m here because I’ve had a lot of success. I’ve won a lot of games, I’ve had a lot of individual success, but I’m here to win.
“Us winning is not gonna look like my performances in Portland all the time, even though there will be some of those nights. But like I said, he’s the horse and … there’s gonna be a quarter where I jump out front and carry the load, I dominate a quarter. Or down the stretch, five minutes, six minutes, you’re gonna see me probably take control and take command of that because those are my moments. And it just has to be a balance of us both and us complementing each other leading to wins.”
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Herro and his contract were discussed a bit in this thread a few weeks ago. Once again he gets hurt and the Heat start winning games suddenly. 3-4 with him playing, he gets hurt 8 minutes into game 8, and they're 5-1 since.
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Herro and his contract were discussed a bit in this thread a few weeks ago. Once again he gets hurt and the Heat start winning games suddenly. 3-4 with him playing, he gets hurt 8 minutes into game 8, and they're 5-1 since.
Heckuva player, aina?
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Just another coincidence.
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Giannis is only 20-23, with 13 rebs and 8 dimes against Johnny Davis' Wizards. I see Davis has a grand total of zero points.
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Giannis is only 20-23, with 13 rebs and 8 dimes against Johnny Davis' Wizards. I see Davis has a grand total of zero points.
Peddle his azz
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Peddle his azz
I don't think anyone wants Johnny Davis.
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I don't think anyone wants Johnny Davis.
Touché
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The Celtics - that zero-year dynasty - found a way to lose to the Hornets.
Tatum scored 45 but missed the game-tying FT.
Crown their azz!
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The Celtics - that zero-year dynasty - found a way to lose to the Hornets.
Tatum scored 45 but missed the game-tying FT.
Crown their azz!
Their depth is suspect. I know White didn’t play, but the regulars are playing lots of minutes
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I guess LeBron isn't quite done. From Yahoo Sports:
Stop me if you've heard this one before: LeBron James is defying Father Time.
The latest: LeBron, 38, powered the Lakers (8-6) to their fifth win in six games on Sunday, pouring in a season-high 37 points to go along with six rebounds, eight assists, three steals and the game-winning free throw in L.A.'s 105-104 victory over the Rockets.
By the numbers: He's played all but one game so far this season and his averages — 26.4 points, 8.2 rebounds and 6.5 assists — are roughly in line with his career numbers. Those are excellent for anyone; they're downright ludicrous for someone playing in his 21st season.
The 21-season club: LeBron is just the sixth player in NBA history to suit up for a 21st season, and his Year 21 numbers are… slightly better than his fellow super-veterans.
++ James (2023-24): 26.4 points, 8.2 rebounds, 6.5 assists and a 26.1 PER* in 34.4 minutes.
++ Vince Carter (2018-19): 7.4 points, 2.6 rebounds, 1.1 assists and a 11.8 PER in 17.5 minutes.
++ Dirk Nowitzki (2018-19): 7.3 points, 3.1 rebounds, 0.7 assists and a 9.6 PER in 15.6 minutes.
++ Robert Parish (1996-97): 3.7 points, 2.1 rebounds, 0.5 assists and a 14.3 PER in 9.4 minutes.
++ Kevin Garnett (2015-16): 3.2 points, 3.9 rebounds, 1.6 assists and a 12.3 PER in 14.6 minutes.
++ Kevin Willis (2006-07): 2.4 points, 1.6 rebounds, 0.2 assists and a 6.3 PER in 8.6 minutes.
What he's saying: "Just trying to push the limit. See how far I can take this thing. I don't know. I mean, it's me vs. Father Time," he told ESPN after Sunday's win, saying he feels rejuvenated this season. "I got my bounce back, my spring back, my quick twitch back."
But is it sustainable? LeBron has made a career out of defying expectations. But the soon-to-be 39-year-old is in fact mortal, so coach Darvin Ham would be wise to limit his minutes — as he suggested he would last month — in order to keep him healthy for the playoffs.
Having said that, it's easy to understand why Ham has already abandoned that strategy: the Lakers have a +6.7 net rating when LeBron is on the court, but they're at -17.9 when he's off it.
If he rests too much now, they might not have a playoff run to keep him fresh for anyway.
On the production/achievement/longevity scale (which I just made up - please don't ask me to define it!), LeBron is the greatest player in NBA history, and one of the great athletes in any sport ever.
I'd still take Michael to win me a game or a title, and Wilt for individual domination of his era, but it's not some crazy notion to suggest that LeBron is the GOAT.
He is doing in Year 21 what many Hall of Famers never did in the best seasons of their careers.
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that writer must not follow basketball
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that writer must not follow SCOOP
fify
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Alright I'm officially in hell after the Purdue game
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Scott Foster essentially loses it and goes of giving Paul 2 T's and ejected, and Kerr an additional T.
Foster is a good ref, but he clearly has issues with Paul and really shouldn't be allowed to officiate games with him in it. No need for an ejection there, and no need for 3 T's.
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Known more for his court vision and passing ability, LaMelo Ball is on an incredible scoring roll. Here are his stats the last 9 games:
32.2 ppg on .491 shooting (.436 from 3) ... 8.7 apg ... 6.7 rpg.
He's scored 30+ points 7 times during the stretch.
He's pretty much an offensive genius, and he's fun as hell to watch, but he remains mostly allergic to playing even a lick of defense. His +/- during the stretch is -6.6 and the Hornets are 3-6. But they have won their last two games in exciting come-from-behind fashion, beating Boston in OT and then Washington.
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Known more for his court vision and passing ability, LaMelo Ball is on an incredible scoring roll. Here are his stats the last 9 games:
32.2 ppg on .491 shooting (.436 from 3) ... 8.7 apg ... 6.7 rpg.
He's scored 30+ points 7 times during the stretch.
He's pretty much an offensive genius, and he's fun as hell to watch, but he remains mostly allergic to playing even a lick of defense. His +/- during the stretch is -6.6 and the Hornets are 3-6. But they have won their last two games in exciting come-from-behind fashion, beating Boston in OT and then Washington.
I've been pretty critical of the Ball family, but man, LaMelo is impressive.
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I've been pretty critical of the Ball family, but man, LaMelo is impressive.
His decision to play pro in Australia, which is probably the best non-Euro centric foreign league, and his performance/reports on his attitude and work ethic there, had me leaning towards him having this sort of early career.
Another thing lost in the noise and dislike caused by Lavar, Melo and Lonzo had INSANELY high basketball IQs at a very young pre-NBA age. Game understanding and instincts were never in question
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His decision to play pro in Australia, which is probably the best non-Euro centric foreign league, and his performance/reports on his attitude and work ethic there, had me leaning towards him having this sort of early career.
Another thing lost in the noise and dislike caused by Lavar, Melo and Lonzo had INSANELY high basketball IQs at a very young pre-NBA age. Game understanding and instincts were never in question
I will admit, my dislike for Lavar did wrongly filter on to Melo and Lonzo at first. They both do really know the game, and work extremely hard. LaMelo is really good.
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Lonzo is a great player, just cursed with the worlds worst knee
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Lonzo is a great player, just cursed with the worlds worst knee
Or he wore horribly designed/built shoes that ruined his knees.
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I don't care for Draymond Green. If I was a big guy (say....Steven Adams) I would probably level him with no remorse.
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I don't care for Draymond Green. If I was a big guy (say....Steven Adams) I would probably level him with no remorse.
And take his oil.
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I don't care for Draymond Green. If I was a big guy (say....Steven Adams) I would probably level him with no remorse.
Steven Adams has his own problems.
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Heckuva comeback.
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Heckuva comeback.
Bud would have never come back from 26 against a bottom 5 team on account of blowing them out for the whole 48.
The fact that the Bucks are getting good result from awful process does not speak well of Griffin
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Bulls v. Celtics tonight in Boston; who you got?
I would not be surprised to see the Bulls win. They have had a knack for playing out their @$$ against the East's best (along with losing to teams like the Pistons)
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Have watched about 15 minutes of Wolves ball so far this year but will be interesting to see if they can keep up being one of the best teams in the West.
Lotta hype around here for those that do care.
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Playing the best basketball of his career, LaMelo is out for “multiple weeks” with a sprained ankle.
Unfortunately, he’s missed multiple weeks every season of his young career so far.
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Bulls v. Celtics tonight in Boston; who you got?
I would not be surprised to see the Bulls win. They have had a knack for playing out their @$$ against the East's best (along with losing to teams like the Pistons)
Never mind. Bulls down 25 half way through the 3rd Q. :o
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Cuban selling Mavericks
https://nypost.com/2023/11/28/sports/mark-cuban-selling-mavericks-to-adelson-family-in-nba-stunner/
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Also quitting Shark Tank. Ostensibly to sit back and enjoy his kids.
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Also quitting Shark Tank. Ostensibly to sit back and enjoy his kids.
Or run for office...but thats obviously just wild speculation based on the seemingly sudden nature of both.
I'll miss him on Shark Tank. Obviously some was for show and there was more to it all than just what was shown on TV, but he was the only one who consistently seemed to look out for candidates and work to get them a deal that wouldn't cripple them.
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Never mind. Bulls down 25 half way through the 3rd Q. :o
The Bulls are beyond a disaster. BLOW IT UP. Will Donovan go back to college ball?
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The Bulls are beyond a disaster. BLOW IT UP. Will Donovan go back to college ball?
Shaka to Bulls
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The Bulls are beyond a disaster. BLOW IT UP. Will Donovan go back to college ball?
https://x.com/ChiSportUpdates/status/1729156416290882037?s=20
Very Reinsdorfy
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https://x.com/ChiSportUpdates/status/1729156416290882037?s=20
Very Reinsdorfy
I don't dislike Billy D, but last night was classic dysfunctional Bulls. The In Season tournament has been pretty fun/interesting, but one of the biggest differentiators is the point differential that is tiebreaker for standings. It makes it fun cause teams are actually playing until the final buzzer instead of some of these blowouts where you sometimes literally see 2 shot clock violations in the last minute as teams stand around.
Well the C's needed a 20+ point differential last night so they started Hack A Drummond in the middle of the 4th to build up the score gap. Well Donovan and his staff were unprepared/unaware, so they took exception to it and had to have it explained to them by Mazulla.
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I don't dislike Billy D, but last night was classic dysfunctional Bulls. The In Season tournament has been pretty fun/interesting, but one of the biggest differentiators is the point differential that is tiebreaker for standings. It makes it fun cause teams are actually playing until the final buzzer instead of some of these blowouts where you sometimes literally see 2 shot clock violations in the last minute as teams stand around.
Well the C's needed a 20+ point differential last night so they started Hack A Drummond in the middle of the 4th to build up the score gap. Well Donovan and his staff were unprepared/unaware, so they took exception to it and had to have it explained to them by Mazulla.
Donovan has been mailing it in for some time. Classic ownership, FO and players don't care; so why should Billy? He doesn't seem happy nor energized. He is just showing up to collect a paycheck. I don't fault him at all.
I doubt he has the energy or will to coach in college or NBA again. JMHO, when the Bulls do fire him, he will retire (and thank the Bulls for making him very rich and unemployed)
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On the one hand, as Wags said, the point differential thing made teams keep their stars in the game, which was unique and interesting.
On the other hand, in addition to all but mandating what traditionally has been viewed as an unsportsmanlike situation, just wait until a star or two get hurt at the end of a 40+ minute night with his team leading by 31 points.
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On the one hand, as Wags said, the point differential thing made teams keep their stars in the game, which was unique and interesting.
On the other hand, in addition to all but mandating what traditionally has been viewed as an unsportsmanlike situation, just wait until a star or two get hurt at the end of a 40+ minute night with his team leading by 31 points.
Point differential happens in soccer, and their players never go down with an injury
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Bucks better get serious. Only up 6 at the half. Can't lose to a DeRozan and LaVine less Bulls. Should win by 20.
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https://twitter.com/TommyBeer/status/1730398838853079457?t=FIHrkhF6ufx9IoFMSVK-Nw&s=01
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https://twitter.com/TommyBeer/status/1730398838853079457?t=FIHrkhF6ufx9IoFMSVK-Nw&s=01
Was literally coming here to post that. What an awesome story from a genuinely good dude. He’s been my nephew’s favorite player from Knicks camp and my BIL has ran into a few times and raves about what a legitimately awesome guy he is.
Even cooler when you consider he was a first round talent that fell in the draft due to character concerns. Great turnaround
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Was literally coming here to post that. What an awesome story from a genuinely good dude. He’s been my nephew’s favorite player from Knicks camp and my BIL has ran into a few times and raves about what a legitimately awesome guy he is.
Even cooler when you consider he was a first round talent that fell in the draft due to character concerns. Great turnaround
https://twitter.com/TommyBeer/status/1730398838853079457?t=FIHrkhF6ufx9IoFMSVK-Nw&s=01
What a great story. Makes my day a bit to see that there are genuinely good people out there still.
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Somehow the Bucks lost to the Bulls. And neither Lavine or DeRozan played.
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Somehow the Bucks lost to the Bulls. And neither Lavine or DeRozan played.
Maybe this will give the Bulls the guts to rebuild.
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Maybe this will give the Bulls the guts to rebuild.
Good point. Who are the suitors?
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Good point. Who are the suitors?
Golden State?
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Golden State?
What's the Klay trade?
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Maybe it'll give da Bucks da stones ta dump Griffin and let Horst be da GM instead of #34, hey?
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What's the Klay trade?
Woj on ESPN says there is NO trade market for LaVine. :(
The Bulls FO is truly comical. He wants out, the Bulls want him out but they likely will have him 4 more years.
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Woj on ESPN says there is NO trade market for LaVine. :(
The Bulls FO is truly comical. He wants out, the Bulls want him out but they likely will have him 4 more years.
NBA to Reinsdorf: "Get ready to throw in some pick sweetners, buddy"
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NBA to Reinsdorf: "Get ready to throw in some pick sweetners, buddy"
Ha right? I believe that don't have many to use. Shocking but that happens when you build a dynasty.
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https://twitter.com/LakeShowYo/status/1731420016397132026/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1731420016397132026¤tTweetUser=LakeShowYo
Haha
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Jokic leads the NBA in points, rebounds and assists.
Pretty good for a guy that every single team in the NBA passed on, some twice.
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Not that it matters for anything but it cracks me up how much ESPN pumps up Tatum/the Celtics. At least when I took the screenshot the C’s were losing and Tatum was at 19/11/5 with 2 minutes left in the 3rd and they’re all about Tatum “flirting with a triple double.”
No mention of Haliburton flirting with a triple double, sitting at 19/10/7 at the same time. With his team leading.
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Why on Earth didn't we recruit Haliburton? :(
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I was very ‘meh’ about the in- season tournament when it was announced. But it has been fantastic. Playoff intensity during the early season? Can’t be beat.
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I recommend the Bucks continue to shoot over 60% from 3.
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Bucks vs. Pacers?
First team to 150 wins.
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Maybe it'll give da Bucks da stones ta dump Griffin
Complexion- don't mean a thing.
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The Bucks are second in the east and won 8 of their last 10. Everyone knew that it would take awhile for a new coach to figure out a new roster at the beginning of the season. Griffin isn't getting fired.
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Complexion- don't mean a thing.
what's this supposed to mean?? but yes, all lives matter!
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From The Athletic:
The Los Angeles Lakers beat the Phoenix Suns last night, 106-103, in a thrilling game that sends the 13-9 Lakers to the In-Season Tournament semifinals. But, for all the IST’s fun, this felt like more.
LeBron James scored 31 points, dished 11 assists and grabbed eight rebounds in 40 minutes of action. This man is 24 days away from turning 39. Thirty-nine! He’s still a top-five player in basketball right now, and on a Tuesday in December, he’s putting up those numbers. It’s unreal and something we might never see again.
Durant was great, too: 31 points, seven rebounds, four assists. He and James dueled like they always have, no matter the uniforms. Together they are two of the maybe 10 best basketball players to ever play. Durant, a sprightly 35, is 10th all-time in scoring and could pass eighth-place Shaq this year if he stays healthy.
I cannot stop wondering how many more of these matchups we have left.
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After pumping up the in season tournament for months, the Bucks and Pacers play a semifinal game at 4 PM tomorrow. Sweet!
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After pumping up the in season tournament for months, the Bucks and Pacers play a semifinal game at 4 PM tomorrow. Sweet!
Yup. Catering to the East Coast crowd.
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Remember when the Spurs beat Phoenix 2 in a row to improve to 3-2 … and there was talk in some quarters about Wemby leading them to the playoffs as a rookie?
Good times.
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I've noticed there's a lottery pick, whom I was told would be a superstar, that is averaging 3 pts a game on a 3-17 team.
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I've noticed there's a lottery pick, whom I was told would be a superstar, that is averaging 3 pts a game on a 3-17 team.
Listen to different people.
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I've noticed there's a lottery pick, whom I was told would be a superstar, that is averaging 3 pts a game on a 3-17 team.
He should give the money back to his team and go play overseas.
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That Rudy Gobert trade myself and everyone piled on, might have actually been a steal.
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That Rudy Gobert trade myself and everyone piled on, might have actually been a steal.
Yeah I don't want to talk about it. I like crapting on KAT and Gobert more than I like giving them props. West is weak, Gobert only plays well against bottom feeders, slow player in a slower conference, etc
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West is weak?
Compared to what?
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West is weak?
Compared to what?
Compared to what I need them to be to keep KAT in his place in the basement of the conference
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That Rudy Gobert trade myself and everyone piled on, might have actually been a steal.
We'll see about that. They still owe the Jazz 3 more firsts and Keyonte George and Walker Kessler are both very good already.
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Compared to what I need them to be to keep KAT in his place in the basement of the conference
I guess I'm missing the teal or something.
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Bucks ain't gonna win chit with their idiot coach and playas like Middleton and Lopez who shot their load years ago. Its a young man's game, aina?
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Bucks ain't gonna win chit with their idiot coach and playas like Middleton and Lopez who shot their load years ago. Its a young man's game, aina?
How come you only post about them after they lose?
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'Cuz I know ball, aina?
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VEGAS -- Giannis Antetokounmpo said the Milwaukee Bucks simply have to be better after the Indiana Pacers knocked them out of the NBA's inaugural in-season tournament Thursday, criticizing the Bucks' lack of organization and saying the team sometimes is "not organized at all."
"The talent level we have is incredible," Antetokounmpo said after putting up 37 points and 10 rebounds in the 128-119 loss at T-Mobile Arena. "But we have to be more organized."
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"I feel like sometimes we're not organized at all. We don't know what we try to get from our offense, or sometimes defensively we're not sprinting back. We don't shoot a lot of early 3s. At the end of the day, you have to protect the ball. You have to know where the ball is. We had a lot of situations today that they got a lot of dunks, open 3s, early 3s. We have to be better.
"Nobody is going to give you nothing. Like sometimes I feel like we expect just because we have great players out there, that Tyrese Haliburton or Myles Turner or Aaron Nesmith, somebody is not just going to give us the game. Like, no. We have to be better. We have to go out there and take it. You know at the end of the day, I think we are great players, but if we don't go out there and compete, they are not going to respect us. They played their best against us."
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That was certainly true Thursday night. After the Bucks scored 43 points in the third quarter, going on a 27-9 run to begin the half to reassert control, Haliburton and the Pacers responded with a 9-2 run late in the fourth quarter to put the game away.
Bucks coach Adrian Griffin shouldered the blame, saying it's on him to help his team execute better late.
"I've got to do a better job of getting them into some certain sets down, you know, late game," he said. "But we put ourselves in a position [to win]. The first half was rocky. We made some good adjustments, but we've got to close out in the fourth quarter, which we've done very well. We just couldn't pull it off tonight."
Antetokounmpo had a different take. Asked if his criticism of the team's lack of organization was directed at the players, coaches or both, he said it's on the players to get the job done no matter what the coaches are telling them to do.
"The players play the game," he said. "We play the game, you know? Coaches can say whatever they want to say and put us in the position to be successful, and you hope that they do that for you. But you've got to make the plays, you know? Like, you don't sprint back on defense, it's not the coaches' fault you don't sprint back. If you're not able to execute down the stretch and you turn the ball over and you throw it to your opponent's hands, it's not the coaches' fault. You just have to take that."
Haliburton had another strong night, putting up 27 points, 15 assists and no turnovers, while Turner had 26 points and 10 rebounds. But as great as they were, Antetokounmpo said it was Indiana's bench that won the game.
Ultimately, he said, the Bucks have to get to work correcting their flaws after flying home Friday and having the weekend to prepare for the Chicago Bulls on Monday.
"At the end of the day, I felt like their bench kicked our butts," Antetokounmpo said. "It's simple. I saw the stat sheet. I usually don't look at the stat sheet, but I look at the stat sheet, they do it way better than us.
"We have to address it. We have three days now until Monday that we play Chicago at home. We have to get on the court. We have to get in the film room. We have to talk as a team and hopefully we can expedite our chemistry. It's not about the coach. It's like we have to get better. It's on us now. We have the talent, we have the experience. It's on us. We know it's on us.
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'Cuz I know ball, aina?
You’re a front runner. Got it.
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We'll see if Edens et al have da stones ta chitcan their mistake, hey?
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We'll see if Edens et al have da stones ta chitcan their mistake, hey?
Front runner and mope
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We'll see if Edens et al have da stones ta chitcan their mistake, hey?
Won't happen until they crash out of the playoffs.
But the guy makes Jason Kidd look like a great coach.
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Won't happen until they crash out of the playoffs.
But the guy makes Jason Kidd look like a great coach.
I think my biggest concern is defense was his biggest strength, and right now I think the chair Yi practiced against would provide more resistance than the Bucks.
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I think my biggest concern is defense was his biggest strength, and right now I think the chair Yi practiced against would provide more resistance than the Bucks.
With a Lillard-Beasley-Middleton's Corpse lineup they were never gonna be great defensively. But the amount of miscommunication was really concerning. No one was talking on screens, they conceded a ton of lane attempts.
Totally disorganized on both ends down the stretch. This shouldn't be this hard with the amount of vets they play.
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'Cuz I know ball, aina?
Well, you did want Giannis to be traded about 15 minutes before he led the
Bucks to the title, so there's that proven wealth of knowledge.
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#34 is starting to speak negatively about the team's disorganization. Aka, bitchin' 'bout da head coach, or the guy he promoted for the head coachin' gig. There's a reason Griffin was a perennial assistant coach for something approaching 15 years. Sound familiar? Credit Stotts for gettin' out of da cesspool before he couldn't get rid of the stench, aina?
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Make up your mind, Doc.
Do you care what Giannis says or do you want him to just shut up and dribble? Do you want him on the team or do you want to trade his azz and forfeit any chance of winning championships for a generation (as was your preference in 2021)?
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I am fine with him shuttin' up and dribbin', hey?
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I am fine with him shuttin' up and dribbin', hey?
Not surprising.
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That settles it. The debate is over. Jordan never on an IST title. LeBron is the GOAT.
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Lakers are hanging a banner for that title??
LOL
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Lakers are hanging a banner for that title??
LOL
Is that from The Onion?
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Lakers are hanging a banner for that title??
LOL
Wait... what?? How pathetic.
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Wait... what?? How pathetic.
That's very embarrassing for LeBron. This is a case where he needs to throw his weight around and stop the nonsense.
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Is that from The Onion?
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/39092399/los-angeles-lakers-hang-banner-honors-nba-cup-win
Crazy. This is one of those situations where they think as the Lakers they can get away with it since its behind a bunch of legit banners
If a team like the Wolves tried this woooof the backlash and jokes.
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https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/39092399/los-angeles-lakers-hang-banner-honors-nba-cup-win
Crazy. This is one of those situations where they think as the Lakers they can get away with it since its behind a bunch of legit banners
If a team like the Wolves tried this woooof the backlash and jokes.
Maybe I'm nuts, but isn't being the first team to clinch a playoff spot or homecourt advantage 100X more important and impressive?
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The NBA very much wants the IST to be a thing. It would not surprise me at all if the league is pushing very hard for the banner. Or requiring it.
Honestly, the tournament made some otherwise boring games from the doldrums of the NBA season incrementally more interesting. All in all...I think it was a net positive. But pretending that it matters could change that equation.
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Yeah, the NBA is going to continue doing it as well. I don't see what's wrong with hanging a banner for this. If the league decides to stop it altogether, they can just take the banner down. Really a silly thing to criticize the Lakers about.
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I'm sure the NBA would have nudged any team that won to hang a banner. If it's just going to be a single banner that lists dates, I don't see the big deal. It would be the equivalent to the MU postseason appearances banner.
I think the Bucks have a division championship banner. I don't see this being any more silly than that.
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If the Pistons win a game, they should hang a banner.
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I'm sure the NBA would have nudged any team that won to hang a banner. If it's just going to be a single banner that lists dates, I don't see the big deal. It would be the equivalent to the MU postseason appearances banner.
I think the Bucks have a division championship banner. I don't see this being any more silly than that.
It’s the Lakers and LeBron. Whatever they do will be overly scrutinized.
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Not sure why the Lakers raising a banner for this bothers anybody here, but whatevs.
I mean, the Bucks raised a banner with the retired number of a guy who averaged 12 points and 2 rebounds for his career. Most teams have all kinds of dubious banners raised. Who cares?
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The NBA really wants this to be a thing, but also plays its semifinal game at 4 PM Central Time/2 PM local tip on a non-holiday Thursday.
It wasn't terrible, but it also wasn't great. The courts flat out stunk. They should probably find a way to make group play home and homes rather than just one game between each team.
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I mean, the Bucks raised a banner with the retired number of a guy who averaged 12 points and 2 rebounds for his career. Most teams have all kinds of dubious banners raised. Who cares?
Are you talking about Bridgeman?
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Are you talking about Bridgeman?
McGlocklin.
Bridgeman averaged 14 and 4.
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I'm sure the NBA would have nudged any team that won to hang a banner. If it's just going to be a single banner that lists dates, I don't see the big deal. It would be the equivalent to the MU postseason appearances banner.
I think the Bucks have a division championship banner. I don't see this being any more silly than that.
Maybe I am wrong; but a banner for division titles is sillier than the in season tournament? Would anyone even think the in season title is more important than a division title? Up until lately the division title would get you a 1,2 or 3 seed. Just because some players got a big bonus, it is banner worthy? If all the Bucks players reach their performance bonuses should they hang a banner?
I'd sum up my position with; as a Bulls fan, I would trade an 8 seed for the in season title in 2 seconds flat. They are not even close. Just my opinion.
(Also, the point about the NBA making them do it makes a lot of sense. I'd guess LeBron is slightly embarassed.)
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McGlocklin.
Bridgeman averaged 14 and 4.
I mean, they retired his number in like 76, right? Franchise was less than a decade old, he was the first All-Star in Bucks history, and a key cog in the championship team. I get it. If he had left in the next few years like Flynn Robinson they probably don't retire it, nor would he be retired if he put up those numbers in the 80s or later.
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I mean, they retired his number in like 76, right? Franchise was less than a decade old, he was the first All-Star in Bucks history, and a key cog in the championship team. I get it. If he had left in the next few years like Flynn Robinson they probably don't retire it, nor would he be retired if he put up those numbers in the 80s or later.
I know why they retired his number and gave him a permanent banner in the rafters. Lots of teams have similar situations. Marquette certainly does.
It was just an example of a banner being raised that some might find questionable ... but I think the best response to that question is another: Who cares?
Why should any Scooper really care if the Lakers raise a banner for the IST title? Talk about nitpicking about something that affects zero people.
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Talk about nitpicking about something that affects zero people.
Welcome to team message boards, sports bars, sports talk radio, ESPN, etc.
None of this sports stuff really matters nor effects anyone. This is the whole point, entertainment and escape.
A great potion of my best MU memories were some beers and discussing/arguing Magic v MJ, '85 Bears v the Steel Curtain, NCAA seeds, etc.
I don't see anyone on the board going crazy about the banner. Nobody wants to boycott the NBA or burn down the Staples Center (or whatever it is called).
I suppose disagreements about MU's uniforms must burn your a$$? Relax.
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Welcome to team message boards, sports bars, sports talk radio, ESPN, etc.
None of this sports stuff really matters nor effects anyone. This is the whole point, entertainment and escape.
A great potion of my best MU memories were some beers and discussing/arguing Magic v MJ, '85 Bears v the Steel Curtain, NCAA seeds, etc.
I don't see anyone on the board going crazy about the banner. Nobody wants to boycott the NBA or burn down the Staples Center (or whatever it is called).
I suppose disagreements about MU's uniforms must burn your a$$? Relax.
You sure seemed bugged by the banner raising, but that's cool.
And wait ... there are disagreements about MU's uniform?
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You sure seemed bugged by the banner raising, but that's cool.
And wait ... there are disagreements about MU's uniform?
LOL!
Yes, I am bugged by the banner. In the same way Oregon's uniforms bug me, UW fans bug me, losing in Monopoly bugs me or paying good money for a bad movie bugs me. All good bar room/water cooler topics but not impactful in my life.
For the record, I do understand where you are coming from and your logic is sound. We may not see eye to eye, but calling out others for taking time to make fun of the Lakers is reasonable. But is is fun to poke the Lakers.
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I guess I missed SAS fat shaming Zion? The kid has tremendous talent. However, vats of gumbo, jambalaya, etoufee, begniets, po boys, mufatellas, and God knows what else are not helping him reach his potential. I read he has a "295" clause in his contract? Meaning if he gets that rotund, no bonuses or what exactly? 295? The kid is 6'6, WTF?? He needs to stop eating everything in his line of vision.
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How many games will Draymond get suspended? 20? 25?
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I guess I missed SAS fat shaming Zion? The kid has tremendous talent. However, vats of gumbo, jambalaya, etoufee, begniets, po boys, mufatellas, and God knows what else are not helping him reach his potential. I read he has a "295" clause in his contract? Meaning if he gets that rotund, no bonuses or what exactly? 295? The kid is 6'6, WTF?? He needs to stop eating everything in his line of vision.
Oh, I could really go for a mufatella.
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How many games will Draymond get suspended? 20? 25?
Enough already. Suspend him until March 1, and then if he can't behave after that, ban him for 100 games. A lifetime ban would be next - hopefully before he hurts somebody badly.
I've only heard good things about him as a person, so I hope his hair-trigger temper and tendency to lash out physically don't carry over to his personal life. But the guy needs serious help.
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Oh, I could really go for a mufatella.
Is that a mufaletta sandwich with nutella? Sounds gross. Probably has too much salt too.
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Enough already. Suspend him until March 1, and then if he can't behave after that, ban him for 100 games. A lifetime ban would be next - hopefully before he hurts somebody badly.
I've only heard good things about him as a person, so I hope his hair-trigger temper and tendency to lash out physically don't carry over to his personal life. But the guy needs serious help.
Ive supported Draymond numerous times here, but I don't disagree. At a certain point its just habitual and a complete lack of control.
Nearly everything about him off the court is pretty glowing and he's pretty consistently thought of as a good guy among NBA circles, personality-wise/socially...but there is clearly something off with his impulse control and reactionary decision making. I too hope he gets some help before something even worse happens.
Beyond just that, he has a really bright future after he retires as commentator/analyst/studio guy, which he has already shown, I'd hate for that to get jeopardized because he's unhinged and acting insane to end his playing career.
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I don't think Draymond's pressser after the game helped his cause. Have you ever noticed that when the guy has totally lost it he generally lashes out against a completely defenseless player? The wtf reaction from the Golden State bench says it all. Beyond his imminent suspension the Dubs have big probs on the court. I think what Curry did two years ago is even more remarkable than I originally realized.
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He's a member of a protected class, so a minor slap is nothin'. Plus, the NBA is a media whore and any news that keeps it in the forefront, is good news. As for Green, suspend him for the remainder of the season and sentence him to anger management classes with volunteer work in a homeless shelter and food pantry. GS, if they any balls, would peddle his ass. Nurkic should press assault and battery charges, hey?
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He's a member of a protected class, so a minor slap is nothin'. Plus, the NBA is a media whore and any news that keeps it in the forefront, is good news. As for Green, suspend him for the remainder of the season and sentence him to anger management classes with volunteer work in a homeless shelter and food pantry. GS, if they any balls, would peddle his ass. Nurkic should press assault and battery charges, hey?
🙄🙄🙄
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He's a member of a protected class, so a minor slap is nothin'. Plus, the NBA is a media whore and any news that keeps it in the forefront, is good news. As for Green, suspend him for the remainder of the season and sentence him to anger management classes with volunteer work in a homeless shelter and food pantry. GS, if they any balls, would peddle his ass. Nurkic should press assault and battery charges, hey?
5 tell you all that, hey?
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Suspend him for 40 games.
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He's a member of a protected class
Wut?
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Its gotta be rougly a Ja length suspension.
Hes going to no joke kill a player soon. Hes clearly mentally unhinged and you can tell players around the league are at a loss on even explaining it.
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Wut?
He’s not a white male, the most put upon people in America
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He’s not a white male, the most put upon people in America
I mean, I thought that's where he was going, but ...
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he wouldn't dare pull that crap if jordan poole were still on the team
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He's a member of a protected class, so a minor slap is nothin'. Plus, the NBA is a media whore and any news that keeps it in the forefront, is good news. As for Green, suspend him for the remainder of the season and sentence him to anger management classes with volunteer work in a homeless shelter and food pantry. GS, if they any balls, would peddle his ass. Nurkic should press assault and battery charges, hey?
This actually makes roQQet's posts sound smart. Plus, it equals any racist rant that guy has had.
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Nikola Jokic got tossed last night even though he’s a member of a protected class.
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Draymond is suspended "indefinitely" until he meets "certain requirements".
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Draymond is suspended "indefinitely" until he meets "certain requirements".
Why the air quotes?
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Why the air quotes?
Because no one knows what that means.
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Because no one knows what that means.
Oh
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You start with a 20-30 game suspension. As far as "meeting certain requirements"? Silver can ponder that while Green doesn't collect his paycheck. One requirement should be if he ever does that garbage again he will be thrown out of the league.
Part of these "requirements" are "team requirements"? Is this a fking joke? You mean the same team and coach that didn't do diddly squat when he punched his teammate in the face? Absurd.
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You start with a 20-30 game suspension. As far as "meeting certain requirements"? Silver can ponder that while Green doesn't collect his paycheck. One requirement should be if he ever does that garbage again he will be thrown out of the league.
Part of these "requirements" are "team requirements"? Is this a fking joke? You mean the same team and coach that didn't do diddly squat when he punched his teammate in the face? Absurd.
You get outraged over the dumbest stuff. Really who cares.
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You get outraged over the dumbest stuff. Really who cares.
I'm not outraged at all.
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I'm not outraged at all.
Sure
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If this Giannis kid keeps working hard to develop a bag, he could be really good
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If this Giannis kid keeps working hard to develop a bag, he could be really good
64 is acceptable.
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Pretty douchey move if true that the pacers took off with the game ball on Giannis’ career night.
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You get outraged over the dumbest stuff. Really who cares.
Yeah well Draymond shouldn't be playing professional basketball.
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Yeah well Draymond shouldn't be playing professional basketball.
Just a dumb take.
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Just a dumb take.
Why's that. He's constantly getting thrown out of games and suspended for violent behavior. Eventually, it is negligent of the NBA to allow him to continue playing. He's going to deck someone or something else and if is serious enough someone is going to press charges. He's been suspended SIX times. Eventually, he's going to be shown the door for the season because the suspensions seem to have little impact.
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Pretty douchey move if true that the pacers took off with the game ball on Giannis’ career night.
Sounds like it was pretty much all the Bucks' own fault. First, why is Dame shooting it after the buzzer anyway? Second, the guy who got the ball from the refs was a Bucks staffer. How did it end up with the Pacers anyway? Unless someone from the Pacers stole it from the staffer or something, it seems like the Bucks had every chance to get Giannis the ball. If they gave it to the Pacers, I can see why they weren't really thinking, "Hey, maybe let's get this to Giannis."
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All-Time great George McGinnis passed away.
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Funniest part is that it wasn’t even Tshiebwe’s first point, they just don’t count IST. Plenty of silliness and overreactions all around.
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Why's that. He's constantly getting thrown out of games and suspended for violent behavior. Eventually, it is negligent of the NBA to allow him to continue playing. He's going to deck someone or something else and if is serious enough someone is going to press charges. He's been suspended SIX times. Eventually, he's going to be shown the door for the season because the suspensions seem to have little impact.
Guys on the internet don't get to decide who does or does not get to play in the NBA.
I was glad to see the punishment that the NBA doled out this time. I expect to see him out of the league within 2 years as I think think Kerr has had enough.
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Guys on the internet don't get to decide who does or does not get to play in the NBA.
I was glad to see the punishment that the NBA doled out this time. I expect to see him out of the league within 2 years as I think think Kerr has had enough.
(https://media.tenor.com/uC2qyrJsT6wAAAAC/oh-really-o-rly.gif)
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Guys on the internet don't get to decide who does or does not get to play in the NBA.
I was glad to see the punishment that the NBA doled out this time. I expect to see him out of the league within 2 years as I think think Kerr has had enough.
"Kerr has had enough"? WTH are you basing this on? After the game he stated twice "we need Draymond". This is the same guy who has placated him after every outburst until the Golbert choke where essentially he was forced to take back his original comments.
Kerr and Golden State management/ownership have exacerbated this entire situation exponentially. They are part of the freaking problem by treating Green like a coddled 5 year old. Now maybe, because his game and antics are hurting the team, and the NBA is sorta stepping in, Golden State will decide they have had enough of this clown but who knows? And as far as the indefinite suspension we should all remember that Ja Morant got one of those, took some anger classes or whatever, and the NBA decided to give him 8 games.
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"Kerr has had enough"? WTH are you basing this on? After the game he stated twice "we need Draymond". This is the same guy who has placated him after every outburst until the Golbert choke where essentially he was forced to take back his original comments.
Kerr and Golden State management/ownership have exacerbated this entire situation exponentially. They are part of the freaking problem by treating Green like a coddled 5 year old. Now maybe, because his game and antics are hurting tbe team, and the NBA is sorta stepping in, Golden State will decide they have had enough of this clown but who knows? And as far as the indefinite suspension we should all remember that Ja Morant got one of those, took some anger classes or whatever, and the NBA decided to give him 8 games.
Steve Kerr is awesome
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Probably should just anoint Green as Commissioner in waitin', aina?
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Probably should just anoint Green as Commissioner in waitin', aina?
Why? He’s been suspended.
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It sounds like Green can still practice. That's wild to me.
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Well, ya gotta bea able ta beet up ur teemates sumwhere, hey?
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Sounds like it was pretty much all the Bucks' own fault. First, why is Dame shooting it after the buzzer anyway? Second, the guy who got the ball from the refs was a Bucks staffer. How did it end up with the Pacers anyway? Unless someone from the Pacers stole it from the staffer or something, it seems like the Bucks had every chance to get Giannis the ball. If they gave it to the Pacers, I can see why they weren't really thinking, "Hey, maybe let's get this to Giannis."
Just a bunch of grown ups acting like dramatic babies. Though if this starts a nice little rivalry between two high scoring teams I like the outcome even if the actions are idiocy
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Tom Izzo just used Draymond Green as an example of Michigan State culture and why they’ve been so successful.
I’ve been told by ball knowers Izzo is a hall of fame coach and where smart players go play. With that knowledge, I think it’s ridiculous Draymond got suspended.
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Tom Izzo just used Draymond Green as an example of Michigan State culture and why they’ve been so successful.
I’ve been told by ball knowers Izzo is a hall of fame coach and where smart players go play. With that knowledge, I think it’s ridiculous Draymond got suspended.
His actions certainly do fit the culture Izzo has built. Which also fit the entire athletic department there as a whole. Although the victims are usually female.
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His actions certainly do fit the culture Izzo has built. Which also fit the entire athletic department there as a whole. Although the victims are usually female.
He’s a hall of fame coach
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Sheesh this Wolves team really might be legit.
Just bent the Mavs over a railing with hobbled Ant shooting like Sean Jones.
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Sheesh this Wolves team really might be legit.
Just bent the Mavs over a railing with hobbled Ant shooting like Sean Jones.
It’s really unfortunate you aren’t a fan of them though.
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It’s really unfortunate you aren’t a fan of them though.
No its not
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Maybe it is too small of a sample size to make a conclusion, but the Bulls look like a decent team without LaVine. Like maybe a .500ish team that could get a 9 or 10 seed. Does that hurt his trade value (that was not very good before he sat)?
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Maybe it is too small of a sample size to make a conclusion, but the Bulls look like a decent team without LaVine. Like maybe a .500ish team that could get a 9 or 10 seed. Does that hurt his trade value (that was not very good before he sat)?
Lavine is one of the most overrated players in the NBA. A high volume gunner who doesn’t fit into a team game and an uninterested defensive player.
Trade value? Ain’t gonna be what you’d expect for a “star” player. No where near a Brad Beal type return.
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Lavine is one of the most overrated players in the NBA. A high volume gunner who doesn’t fit into a team game and an uninterested defensive player.
Trade value? Ain’t gonna be what you’d expect for a “star” player. No where near a Brad Beal type return.
Sounds like the rest of the NBA sees it the way you do. The Bull's FO is truly delusional. They kept this team together because the think it is NBA Championship capable. ::)
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"Kerr has had enough"? WTH are you basing this on? After the game he stated twice "we need Draymond". This is the same guy who has placated him after every outburst until the Golbert choke where essentially he was forced to take back his original comments.
Kerr and Golden State management/ownership have exacerbated this entire situation exponentially. They are part of the freaking problem by treating Green like a coddled 5 year old. Now maybe, because his game and antics are hurting the team, and the NBA is sorta stepping in, Golden State will decide they have had enough of this clown but who knows? And as far as the indefinite suspension we should all remember that Ja Morant got one of those, took some anger classes or whatever, and the NBA decided to give him 8 games.
Clueless. Kerr fully supports an indefinite suspension.
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Clueless. Kerr fully supports an indefinite suspension.
Uhhhh....no. He's forced to "support" a suspension. Remember this is the same guy who literally did nothing when he punched Jordan Poole in the face. He rewarded him by allowing him to attend the ring ceremony. If you don't think Kerr and the Warriors organization has coddled Green and his behavior you're struggling with basic observation skills.
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Uhhhh....no. He's forced to "support" a suspension. Remember this is the same guy who literally did nothing when he punched Jordan Poole in the face. He rewarded him by allowing him to attend the ring ceremony. If you don't think Kerr and the Warriors organization has coddled Green and his behavior you're struggling with basic observation skills.
I love Steve Kerr. Great coach, better person
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Uhhhh....no. He's forced to "support" a suspension. Remember this is the same guy who literally did nothing when he punched Jordan Poole in the face. He rewarded him by allowing him to attend the ring ceremony. If you don't think Kerr and the Warriors organization has coddled Green and his behavior you're struggling with basic observation skills.
This seems to be the overwhelming consensus of those who cover the NBA.
Does Kerr 'care' about Draymond's wellbeing? No, he only cares to the extent he wins games. Been demonstrated by him multiple times. BUT, that is not Kerr's job. He is not his family or friend. Kerr is there to win games and not to look out for a player's wellbeing.
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This seems to be the overwhelming consensus of those who cover the NBA.
Does Kerr 'care' about Draymond's wellbeing? No, he only cares to the extent he wins games. Been demonstrated by him multiple times. BUT, that is not Kerr's job. He is not his family or friend. Kerr is there to win games and not to look out for a player's wellbeing.
I think that's fair.
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This seems to be the overwhelming consensus of those who cover the NBA.
Does Kerr 'care' about Draymond's wellbeing? No, he only cares to the extent he wins games. Been demonstrated by him multiple times. BUT, that is not Kerr's job. He is not his family or friend. Kerr is there to win games and not to look out for a player's wellbeing.
Technically, Kerr is there to make the owner as much money as possible. Usually, that means winning games, but not always.
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Technically, Kerr is there to make the owner as much money as possible. Usually, that means winning games, but not always.
That's not the way it works. Organizations (for-profit) are there to make money, each position performs to the highest level within their responsibilities to get the desired outcome. Unless Steve is the CEO, he is charged with winning games. Other qualified people focus on sales, finance, HR, etc. that should all add to the bottom line.
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That's not the way it works. Organizations (for-profit) are there to make money, each position performs to the highest level within their responsibilities to get the desired outcome. Unless Steve is the CEO, he is charged with winning games. Other qualified people focus on sales, finance, HR, etc. that should all add to the bottom line.
So Kerr could.be a mass murderer, as long as they win games, he stays?
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So Kerr could.be a mass murderer, as long as they win games, he stays?
Okay, this is getting weird.
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So Kerr could.be a mass murderer, as long as they win games, he stays?
If the money spending public is on his side, yeah probably
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Okay, this is getting weird.
Well you did say Kerr's sole job is to win games. I am saying its more than that.
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Well you did say Kerr's sole job is to win games. I am saying its more than that.
LOL! Ok I'll play along.
Kerr's responsibilities:
1. wake up every morning
2. eat breakfast
3. drive safely to work
4. pay taxes
5. wear pants on the sideline
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I think Kerr has tried to downplay/excuse Draymond's behavior in the past to try and squeeze every ounce out of this core he can. I don't think he wants to alienate Draymond and kick off the rebuild.
Draymond has just started ramping it up to the point you can't really turn a blind eye anymore. At least that's my opinion.
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I love Steve Kerr. Great coach, better person
He actually is a real good guy.
But he certainly enabled Green's behavior over the years, and now the organization is kind of screwed -- not only because of Draymond's issues but because everybody who matters is 106 years old. The Warriors are the early-'90s Celtics ... except maybe not quite as good.
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OKC is for real. Maybe Minny is too but this Thunder team could be really scary the next few years. I'm not sure what they'll do with Giddey, but to have three players under 25 this good is amazing. And they can play on both ends of the floor. Holmgren had 9 blocks tonight. I'm sure Wemby will get ROY but you could make a legitimate argument that Holmgren has been better to this point.
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OKC is for real. Maybe Minny is too but this Thunder team could be really scary the next few years. I'm not sure what they'll do with Giddey, but to have three players under 25 this good is amazing. And they can play on both ends of the floor. Holmgren had 9 blocks tonight. I'm sure Wemby will get ROY but you could make a legitimate argument that Holmgren has been better to this point.
Ive watched like 5% of NBA games so far and can say definitively the Wolves are better than the thunder this year
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OKC is for real. Maybe Minny is too but this Thunder team could be really scary the next few years. I'm not sure what they'll do with Giddey, but to have three players under 25 this good is amazing. And they can play on both ends of the floor. Holmgren had 9 blocks tonight. I'm sure Wemby will get ROY but you could make a legitimate argument that Holmgren has been better to this point.
I don’t think it’s illegal in Oklahoma to date minors. It’s a pretty conservative Christian state
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Ive watched like 5% of NBA games so far and can say definitively the Wolves are better than the thunder this year
Give it a week or two and you’ll be calling for the coach to be fired and a couple starters to be cut. :)
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I don’t think it’s illegal in Oklahoma to date minors. It’s a pretty conservative Christian state
I think the minor was in Los Angeles.
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Give it a week or two and you’ll be calling for the coach to be fired and a couple starters to be cut. :)
Ive actually met Finch good dude
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He's a member of a protected class, so a minor slap is nothin'. Plus, the NBA is a media whore and any news that keeps it in the forefront, is good news. As for Green, suspend him for the remainder of the season and sentence him to anger management classes with volunteer work in a homeless shelter and food pantry. GS, if they any balls, would peddle his ass. Nurkic should press assault and battery charges, hey?
I agree with this analysis
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https://twitter.com/Stoltzy3/status/1736574233717657843?t=Ezc5CtyzVSKKLjsl29_OuA&s=19
Well played Bucks, well played
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Hope da Bucks didant fook up the game ball thing again vs Rockets, hey?
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Ant getting exposed for dropping 100K on abortions.
More of a moral issue rather than legal policy issue though
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Ant getting exposed for dropping 100K on abortions.
More of a moral issue rather than legal policy issue though
For someone who is not a Timberwolves fan, you seem to follow them quite closely. Most people here aren't a fan of the Timberwolves, yet you are the only one who seems to post about them. And you do it a lot.
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For someone who is not a Timberwolves fan, you seem to follow them quite closely. Most people here aren't a fan of the Timberwolves, yet you are the only one who seems to post about them. And you do it a lot.
I mean its been trending all over social media for the last 24 hours you idiot
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I mean its been trending all over social media for the last 24 hours you idiot
Right. Everyone has seen it. Nobody runs to Scoop to post about it because nobody cares about the Timberwolves.
Well, except for you. The guy who claims to not be a fan of them, but constantly posts about them.
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Right. Everyone has seen it. Nobody runs to Scoop to post about it because nobody cares about the Timberwolves.
Well, except for you. The guy who claims to not be a fan of them, but constantly posts about them.
I posted it like 16 hours later. Yup, I ran to it.
I know intelligence has never been your strong suit. But let me know in the last 30 days what other NBA players have went viral for a 100K abortion. You know, just to show that I cherry pick reporting.
Here is the list of top articles on ESPN NBA page
Steph's 3-pointer streak ends after 268 games
Former UNC star Eric Montross, 52, dies of cancer
Abdul-Jabbar (hip) faces 3 months of recovery
Ex-NBA star Cousins signs with team in Taiwan
T'Wolves' Edwards walks back abortion comments
Giannis passes Kareem on Bucks' rebound list
So to post a top news story in the NBA 2023/2024 thread my options were Kareems hip surgery(off topic), the sad death of a college basketball star(off topic), Cousins literally signing somehwere other than the NBA(off topic). Curry not making a 3.......LOL and happened 2 days ago. Or Giannis getting rebounds.
The options were obviously endless. Just admit you're an obsessive idiot and lets move on.
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I posted it like 16 hours later. Yup, I ran to it.
I know intelligence has never been your strong suit. But let me know in the last 30 days what other NBA players have went viral for a 100K abortion. You know, just to show that I cherry pick reporting.
Here is the list of top articles on ESPN NBA page
Steph's 3-pointer streak ends after 268 games
Former UNC star Eric Montross, 52, dies of cancer
Abdul-Jabbar (hip) faces 3 months of recovery
Ex-NBA star Cousins signs with team in Taiwan
T'Wolves' Edwards walks back abortion comments
Giannis passes Kareem on Bucks' rebound list
So to post a top news story in the NBA 2023/2024 thread my options were Kareems hip surgery(off topic), the sad death of a college basketball star(off topic), Cousins literally signing somehwere other than the NBA(off topic). Curry not making a 3.......LOL and happened 2 days ago. Or Giannis getting rebounds.
The options were obviously endless. Just admit you're an obsessive idiot and lets move on.
So just so I have this straight, you post the biggest NBA news every day on here? I must miss it quite often, apologies for that.
Why didn’t you jump on Scoop when Zion faced a somewhat similar situation a couple of months ago? Or did I miss the daily update from you that day?
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Wemby out against the Bucks tomorrow because we can't have nice things
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So just so I have this straight, you post the biggest NBA news every day on here? I must miss it quite often, apologies for that.
Why didn’t you jump on Scoop when Zion faced a somewhat similar situation a couple of months ago? Or did I miss the daily update from you that day?
Yeah, post literally all the news of what player is porking who (with details for the health care professionals) or don’t bother at all PGs!
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I know, don't wish injuries and all that, but it's going to be karma when Embiid breaks something doing sh!t like this https://twitter.com/JacobLabib18/status/1736903963696587027?t=Hzg4gwOOZcBNo6OEhPZejQ&s=19 (https://twitter.com/JacobLabib18/status/1736903963696587027?t=Hzg4gwOOZcBNo6OEhPZejQ&s=19)
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I know, don't wish injuries and all that, but it's going to be karma when Embiid breaks something doing sh!t like this https://twitter.com/JacobLabib18/status/1736903963696587027?t=Hzg4gwOOZcBNo6OEhPZejQ&s=19 (https://twitter.com/JacobLabib18/status/1736903963696587027?t=Hzg4gwOOZcBNo6OEhPZejQ&s=19)
Dude is wild. If shredding Danny Green’s knee didn’t stop this, nothing will.
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So just so I have this straight, you post the biggest NBA news every day on here? I must miss it quite often, apologies for that.
Why didn’t you jump on Scoop when Zion faced a somewhat similar situation a couple of months ago? Or did I miss the daily update from you that day?
So per usual, you got nothing.
You're obsessed with me. It causes you to lash out and say stupid sh it. Also the Wolves have like the best record in the NBA so why would I deny being a fan if I am one
Oh I know, because your hobbies include baseless rape allegations and harassing this board with stupidity. Seek help.
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I havent watched the Pacers like at all. But boy do they ever play defense?
Every time I see their scores its some crazy amount allowed.
127 for the season is nuts.
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Yeah, post literally all the news of what player is porking who (with details for the health care professionals) or don’t bother at all PGs!
Exactly ha
Im a massive timberwolves guy because I said Edwards is paying 100,000 to rando models.
Thank god I didnt post anything game related.
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So per usual, you got nothing.
You're obsessed with me. It causes you to lash out and say stupid sh it. Also the Wolves have like the best record in the NBA so why would I deny being a fan if I am one
Oh I know, because your hobbies include baseless rape allegations and harassing this board with stupidity. Seek help.
lol. Do you ever go back and reread game threads? You should probably do some self reflection…
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Exactly ha
Im a massive timberwolves guy because I said Edwards is paying 100,000 to rando models.
Thank god I didnt post anything game related.
Bruh. Would you like me to go back and quote my own post with all the quotes about the TWolves? You post 99 times on the TWolves in here and then say you’re not a fan because you make one stupid comment about the Pacers. Lol.
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lol. Do you ever go back and reread game threads? You should probably do some self reflection…
Alright so you fold.
Now go obsess over someone else.
Me and Jimmy need a night off.
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Bruh. Would you like me to go back and quote my own post with all the quotes about the TWolves? You post 99 times on the TWolves in here and then say you’re not a fan because you make one stupid comment about the Pacers. Lol.
So the Pacers do not allow like 127 ppg and are good defensively???
How badly am I in your head?? You stalk me. Therapy now. Im actually worried you may do something rash.
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So the Pacers do not allow like 127 ppg and are good defensively???
How badly am I in your head?? You stalk me. Therapy now. Im actually worried you may do something rash.
How many Scoopers have you told need therapy? It’s your go to lol.
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How many Scoopers have you told need therapy? It’s your go to lol.
You(obsessed with me and Jimmy)
Elon(Obsessed with Wojo)
Think youll pick up on a theme.
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How many Scoopers have you told need therapy? It’s your go to lol.
Everyone should have someone to talk to. No shame in therapy
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Appears Grizzlies had some Ja magic in his return tonight
Think they may be down too many games though
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I heard a little blip about Larry Bird that made me think what could have been. His college stats were absolutely ridiculous. 30, 13, and 5? That's in an era where there was no 3pt line or shot clock. He didn't get to the NBA until he was 23. Imagine if he took the leap 2 years earlier and his back didn't become a disaster? He's before my time as was Magic but I don't think I agree with this narrative that Magic was automatically netter or much better stated by Fluffy I think. Kareem was without question significantly better than McHale, even if Kareem was slightly psst his prime. And Worthy was also a freaking stud, correct? No one thinks Parrish is better than him as a #3.
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That’s what great players did in that era. George McGinnis averaged 30/15 as a freshman in that era.
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Yeah. No one played defense. You’d be shocked at the number of uncontested jumpers that players took then.
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Bird was great, Muggs. Nobody knows if his back woulda given out even earlier if he had come out of college earlier. It’s an impossible hypothetical.
Magic was great, too. I happen to think he was a little more impactful but that’s just an opinion. Everyone has ‘em. Don’t sweat it.
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Yeah. No one played defense. You’d be shocked at the number of uncontested jumpers that players took then.
And don't forget that the ball was stuffed back then.
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Bird was probably the best shooter of his generation. NBA didn't emphasize the 3 like it does now. If it did, and they routinely ran sets to get him 3's, he would have been filthier. Not the GOAT, but one of the greats. All time trash talker. Look him up on YouTube.
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Bird was great, Muggs. Nobody knows if his back woulda given out even earlier if he had come out of college earlier. It’s an impossible hypothetical.
Magic was great, too. I happen to think he was a little more impactful but that’s just an opinion. Everyone has ‘em. Don’t sweat it.
I give Magic a slight edge too - but both were great players, top 10 all timers.
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I give Magic a slight edge too - but both were great players, top 10 all timers.
Loved watching them both. Examples 1 and 1A (in whatever order) of superstars who made their teammates much better.
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I'll take Bird, but it is close enough that I'm not willing to argue.
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I give Magic a slight edge too - but both were great players, top 10 all timers.
You’re right, Lenny. But for some top 10 isn’t enough.
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Who was a better defender Bird or Magic? Didn't Magic guard the opposing 2G a lot? From a historical standpoint I almost separate Wilt and Magic from the rest of the all-time greats. They did things no one else did before them and in Magic's case his size at that position was the ultimate weapon and basically impossible to handle. I do think Bird's game is more adaptable to this era. I have Curry in my top 5. I think everyone would have Jordan, Lebron, Kareem. After that the slots are really tough.
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Neither one was a stellar on ball defender. Adequate for the time, not lockdown. Neither was exceptionally quick. Magic used his length to compensate for a lack of speed defending opposing guards. Played off of them. Bird was very good at positioning and getting in passing lanes.
Seriously, though, muggsy, if you want to be entertained, Google Larry Bird left handed game. Or Larry Bird trash talk. A good way to kill an hour.
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Both had exceptional court vision as well.
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Neither one was a stellar on ball defender. Adequate for the time, not lockdown. Neither was exceptionally quick. Magic used his length to compensate for a lack of speed defending opposing guards. Played off of them. Bird was very good at positioning and getting in passing lanes.
Seriously, though, muggsy, if you want to be entertained, Google Larry Bird left handed game. Or Larry Bird trash talk. A good way to kill an hour.
I watched part of that! That was very badass.
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Congrats to the Pistons. What's the record?
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Congrats to the Pistons. What's the record?
26...so one more
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26...so one more
That's freaking crazy.
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Congrats to the Pistons.
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Congrats to the Pistons.
Am I seeing this right that the Pistons actually lost?
If so, why are you congratulating them?
That's the exact opposite of what they're trying to do.
Does this not make sense to anyone else?
Explain.
Medieval.
Darkness.
WWATLT?
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Am I seeing this right that the Pistons actually lost?
If so, why are you congratulating them?
That's the exact opposite of what they're trying to do.
Does this not make sense to anyone else?
Explain.
Medieval.
Darkness.
WWATLT?
Well, if youre gonna do something poorly might as well make it record breaking...
I think that was his congratulations.
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Am I seeing this right that the Pistons actually lost?
If so, why are you congratulating them?
Sarcasm can be a tricky concept to understand.
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Sarcasm can be a tricky concept to understand.
I was really hoping there was a lot of sarcasm being posted by all. If not..... :-\
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Sarcasm can be a tricky concept to understand.
They need to wake up.
They need to focus.
They need to attack.
Violence.
Step on their throats.
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They need to wake up.
They need to focus.
They need to attack.
Violence.
Step on their throats.
Yeah, it’s not that hard
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Yeah, it’s not that hard
I'd have the problem solved immediately. It's all part of my 5 point plan.
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Toronto at home to close out 2023 is the best chance they get for awhile. Cause then they have a West Coast swing where they will be close to double digit dogs each night.
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https://nypost.com/2023/12/27/sports/dog-bites-nuggets-forward-aaron-gordons-face-on-christmas/amp/
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Am I seeing this right that the Pistons actually lost?
If so, why are you congratulating them?
That's the exact opposite of what they're trying to do.
Does this not make sense to anyone else?
Explain.
Medieval.
Darkness.
WWATLT?
My maxims aren't the problem.
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Congrats to the Pistons.
time to bring back henry-put him in coach...only if wally were available though
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My maxims aren't the problem.
I just asked a question, why are you attacking me?
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Celtics down 19 to the Pistons at halftime
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Ok fine I'll turn on Bill Simmons notifications
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Ok fine I'll turn on Bill Simmons notifications
You can turn them off
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Celtics down 19 to the Pistons at halftime
Order being restored.
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You can turn them off
Still think they should get an in-game tournament banner for the first half
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Still think they should get an in-game tournament banner for the first half
The Lakers would.
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knicks acquire og anunoby, precious achiuwa, and malachi flynn for rj barrett and immanuel quickley and a 2nd round draft pick, but it's from detroit
i was wondering what the knicks were doing with quickley as his PT was diminished from last year.
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Pistons nightmare is over
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Pistons end losing streak, beat shorthanded Raptors by 2
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How is it that every college coach in the world can figure out how to use TV timeouts to get their star player(s) a few extra minutes of rest, but AG can't figure out how to not have Dame and Giannis each sit 5 straight game minutes, with 3 of them overlapping each other?
Giannis sits from 2 minutes left in the 3rd until 9 minutes left in the game, Dame sits the first 5 minutes of the fourth, and the Bucks go -20 in those minutes every game. Neither sits a second from there on out.
How about you do what every competent coach in the world does and sit your guy at the last whistle before a TV timeout, keep them out after the timeout, and then get them back in the next whistle. You can get 5 straight minutes of rest with only 1-2 minutes of game time being missed, or you can get them 5 straight minutes of rest with 5 minutes of game time being missed. AG opts for the latter.
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SGA comparisons? The dude can ball. He seems to do everything pretty well.
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SGA comparisons? The dude can ball. He seems to do everything pretty well.
Michael Jordan
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Pacers up big on the Bucks. What's the local opinion on Griffin?
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Pacers up big on the Bucks. What's the local opinion on Griffin?
I try not to overreact to new star pairings with new coaches in the first 60 games or so, but there’s really been nothing to indicate he’s good enough. When they win it seems to be talent related. Nothing they do schematically seems better than other teams.
Talent may be enough if the defense improves over the next 50. But I don’t think they get to the finals because he out-coached anybody.
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Pacers up big on the Bucks. What's the local opinion on Griffin?
Flawed roster, imo. Old, too. Lotta tread on them tires. Not sure scheme matters much as far as the team is constructed. I didn’t see a title team with this roster. Others will disagree and maybe a different coach would have mattered but unless they can upgrade at the deadline, not sure it’s more than ECF at best
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The few times I've watched them I thought their defense looked mediocre. Middleton should be really good as a #3 but maybe he'll never be the same player after the injury?
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Trading Jrue for Dame means you are just hoping to score a lot more because defensively it’s not going to be great.
And I think Middleton is just getting old.
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Coaching is the biggest issue with the Bucks, but it’s far from the only issue. The fact that Khris Middleton is your closing stretch defensive “stopper” on Tyerese Haliburton tells you everything you need to know about the defense. The Bucks have two First Team All Defensive bigs on the roster, yet get beat on the boards consistently and give up a boatload of paint points every night. And then the transition defense is as bad as I’ve ever seen.
The whole narrative coming out of training camp was that there was no competitiveness in Bud’s camp and this is so much better. It certainly doesn’t show on the court. Giannis plays hard every night. Andre Jackson Jr. plays hard every night. Brook plays hard but can be exploited depending on the matchup. Otherwise there’s a lot of guys who shimmy over getting back to defend.
Would be a lot more surprised by an ECF appearance than I would a first round exit.
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Coaching is the biggest issue with the Bucks, but it’s far from the only issue. The fact that Khris Middleton is your closing stretch defensive “stopper” on Tyerese Haliburton tells you everything you need to know about the defense. The Bucks have two First Team All Defensive bigs on the roster, yet get beat on the boards consistently and give up a boatload of paint points every night. And then the transition defense is as bad as I’ve ever seen.
The whole narrative coming out of training camp was that there was no competitiveness in Bud’s camp and this is so much better. It certainly doesn’t show on the court. Giannis plays hard every night. Andre Jackson Jr. plays hard every night. Brook plays hard but can be exploited depending on the matchup. Otherwise there’s a lot of guys who shimmy over getting back to defend.
Would be a lot more surprised by an ECF appearance than I would a first round exit.
Any trading options?
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Any trading options?
Not really with the second apron, very few tradeable picks, and not really any good contracts.
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Not really with the second apron, very few tradeable picks, and not really any good contracts.
I haven't been impressed with Griffin either. I also don't believe the defensive drop off with the loss of Holiday explains 4 losses to Indiana and some of their other problems. I think getting Lillard was a no brainer and as far as I can tell Beasley has been pretty good. Do you make a bold move and hand the job to Doc Rivers before the All-Star break? :)
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I haven't been impressed with Griffin either. I also don't believe the defensive drop off with the loss of Holiday explains 4 losses to Indiana and some of their other problems.
I don't think it does either. I was specifically answering your question about the defense.
Dame was a no-question addition yes. The last group had topped out. But yeah I am beginning to think the Griffin addition was a mistake.
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Hiring a rookie HC was a massive gamble, no matter who it was. But the fact that this cat got passed over a dozen times shoulda told them something.
They do next to nothing well defensively. And a good deal of that is roster... Khris moves like I do, Beasley and Lillard are minus defenders, and the bench unit of Payne/Portis/Connaughton are all bad on that end. But then he has them do sh*t like chase 10% three-point shooter TJ McConnell over screens out on the perimeter and get murdered at the rim.
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Chit can Griffin with a severance of a used Bike, hey?
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https://x.com/awfulannouncing/status/1743089300726845722?s=20
I absolutely love Harlan and Miller.
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Bucks bailed out by spurs missing wide open 3s in consecutive possessions.
Wemby stuffing Giannis at the rim was interesting.
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The Bucks holding on vs an atrocious Spurs team is somewhat troubling.
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The Bucks holding on vs an atrocious Spurs team is somewhat troubling.
Not really. In pro sports, you just need to win games. There's no NET that affects your seed. Really good teams lose to atrocious teams all the time.
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Not really. In pro sports, you just need to win games. There's no NET that affects your seed. Really good teams lose to atrocious teams all the time.
Eh, I think the biggest concern is that the way they continue to play doesn't look like it will translate to the playoffs. They've looked pretty mediocre most of the year despite racking up wins. I certainly feel much less confident they have a championship caliber team than I did when they got Dame.
I gave Muggsy a hard time last year about the regular season, but their warts definitely showed up in the playoffs. This team doesn't really look like one that can just flip a switch.
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That game winner by Jokic was incredible. I guess he's no longer in a shooting slump. 41/44 the last 4 games.
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Just one more amazing feat for the best basketball player in the world.
https://sports.yahoo.com/nikola-jokic-hits-wild-40-foot-buzzer-beater-to-complete-comeback-lift-nuggets-past-warriors-053449535.html?.tsrc=1317
That every team in the NBA passed on him, with many passing on him twice, is still mind-blowing all these years later.
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Just one more amazing feat for the basketball player in the world.
https://sports.yahoo.com/nikola-jokic-hits-wild-40-foot-buzzer-beater-to-complete-comeback-lift-nuggets-past-warriors-053449535.html?.tsrc=1317
That every team in the NBA passed on him, with many passing on him twice, is still mind-blowing all these years later.
He may nor have called bank but at the same time it wasn't lucky. The guy has tremendous touch.
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He may nor have called bank but at the same time it wasn't lucky. The guy has tremendous touch.
Agree. There's always a little luck involved with those kinds of shots, but I promise you that he has practiced them often.
A few years ago, I coached an 8th-grader who practiced half-court shots pretty much every day ... and darn if she didn't make a couple in games. Were they "lucky"? Not really.
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Just one more amazing feat for the basketball player in the world.
I agree that he is one of the basketball players in the world.
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I agree that he is one of the basketball players in the world.
I was just letting my fellow Scoopers decide how to rank him.
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Draymond reinstated. LOL.
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Bucks down 14 to Houston.
Sweet Jesus.
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Bucks down 14 to Houston.
Sweet Jesus.
Can't wait for the Chris Haynes "Bucks in disarray" piece to drop.
This team is a mess. Totally disjointed.
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Terrible decision to hire Griffin. No worries doe, #34 jettison his ass, aina?
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Adam Silver supposedly talked Draymond out of retirement. Lol.
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Adam Silver supposedly talked Draymond out of retirement. Lol.
Makes sense, he's a hell of a revenue stream for the league office.
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Makes sense, he's a hell of a revenue stream for the league office.
(https://i.giphy.com/NEvPzZ8bd1V4Y.webp)
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Chit can Griffin with a severance of a used Bike, hey?
I'm ready to call it
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I'm ready to call it
Yeah, I'm thinking he's not the guy.
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Looks like da team has quit on da dude, aina?
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Holy Hell. 77-46? To Utah? In Milwaukee?
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Dame or not tonight, down 31 at half to a sub 500 team at home is ridiculous. They have got to fire him. Red flags ever since training camp. Would be nice if Giannis went to Horst and ownership and make his plea. It will be an early offseason if they don’t pull the plug. Do it now and there may still be time to get things in order and make a real run at it.
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Looks like da team has quit on da dude, aina?
Sure does. All the telltale signs of that.
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Dame or not tonight, down 31 at half to a sub 500 team at home is ridiculous. They have got to fire him. Red flags ever since training camp. Would be nice if Giannis went to Horst and ownership and make his plea. It will be an early offseason if they don’t pull the plug. Do it now and there may still be time to get things in order and make a real run at it.
Agreed Hutch.
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Still can him if they win this game. :)
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Ja Morant 2023 season we hardly knew ye.
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Ja Morant 2023 season we hardly knew ye.
Same night Haliburton got hurt. Taking some time off to finish the job
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/0acda1376cc10a208b4cb3c5af691417/tumblr_mwy1cx40SV1sbrtquo1_500.gif)
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Could the Bucks hire someone decent immediately?
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Could the Bicks hire someone decent immediately?
Terry Stotts is available
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Terry Stotts is available
That's a thought.
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So is Bud.
I’d take 99% or Scoopers over AG.
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Could the Bicks hire someone decent immediately?
Doc? Not a huge fan as a coach, but he’s an upgrade no question.
Stotts who was smart enough to see the train wreck coming.
Atkinson who was a finalist for the job in spring.
Any of the three an almost certain upgrade.
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Those of you who are far closer to this than I am ... is there serious buzz about the Bucks dumping Griffin, or is this just fans wishing it would happen?
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There’s always Jim Boylen
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Those of you who are far closer to this than I am ... is there serious buzz about the Bucks dumping Griffin, or is this just fans wishing it would happen?
There isn’t serious buzz or even buzz yet about it up here. Stephen A’s comments about Griffin “going to get himself fired…” was picked up by the Journal/ Sentinel. That was just before last night’s horrific performance. But that’s really all right now.
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There isn’t serious buzz or even buzz yet about it up here. Stephen A’s comments about Griffin “going to get himself fired…” was picked up by the Journal/ Sentinel. That was just before last night’s horrific performance. But that’s really all right now.
Thanks. Milwaukee fans deserve better.
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Doc? Not a huge fan as a coach, but he’s an upgrade no question.
Stotts who was smart enough to see the train wreck coming.
Atkinson who was a finalist for the job in spring.
Any of the three an almost certain upgrade.
AG seemingly has no idea what he's doing Hutch. Am I missing something? I thought it was an odd hire at first but did not expect a complete train wreck. Doc would be an upgrade.
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AG seemingly has no idea what he's doing Hutch. Am I missing something? I thought it was an odd hire at first but did not expect a complete train wreck. Doc would be an upgrade.
It seemed like his time had come to become a head coach. But you’re not missing anything. All you have to do is listen to those inside- Portis, Middleton, and Giannis have all spoken out pretty candidly with insights how poor his coaching ability is. Then Stotts walking away suddenly mid training camp was the most damning event.
I just doubt they’ll have the guts to pull the plug and it will be another lost opportunity with Giannis in his prime.
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It seemed like his time had come to become a head coach. But you’re not missing anything. All you have to do is listen to those inside- Portis, Middleton, and Giannis have all spoken out pretty candidly with insights how poor his coaching ability is. Then Stotts walking away suddenly mid training camp was the most damning event.
I just doubt they’ll have the guts to pull the plug and it will be another lost opportunity with Giannis in his prime.
Your last point is the key and must be understood by management. If they sit on their ass and do nothing it would be a bad decision imo. Have some guts, acknowledge what's at stake, reach out to some of these guys and find a replacement before the all-star break. You simply cannot waste another year of prime Gianni. If necessary we can take over Hutch. :)
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Well, supposedly AG was Giannis' pick, so he will probably need to be onboard. AG seems like Wojo. Career assistant who seemed ready for the next step, but in over his head.
The message boards have been ready to fire him for awhile. The Stotts debacle was a big red flag. I don't know about the general public/media, but this stretch probably will start those talks.
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The Bucks aren't going to do anything based on "buzz" or media pressure anyway. They will look at the locker room too to make sure any move they make has at least the blessing of GA and DL.
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The Bucks aren't going to do anything based on "buzz" or media pressure anyway. They will look at the locker room too to make sure any move they make has at least the blessing of GA and DL.
Will they look at the fact that they gave up 77 first half points to the Jazz at home? I would imagine Giannis and Dame will give their blessings to make a change.
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Will they look at the fact that they gave up 77 first half points to the Jazz at home?
In the context of the larger season, of course.
I would imagine Giannis and Dame will give their blessings to make a change.
I have no idea.
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Taking this with a large grain of salt, but I saw a post on a Bucks message board that someone talked to an insider and said Dame is basically done with Griffin. I think Giannis will be a little tougher to convince since he's so loyal and may have picked Griffin.
It's tough to tell if he's a bad coach or this team is just old and can't defend. Middleton has looked pretty slow out there when I've watched.
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Taking this with a large grain of salt, but I saw a post on a Bucks message board that someone talked to an insider and said Dame is basically done with Griffin. I think Giannis will be a little tougher to convince since he's so loyal and may have picked Griffin.
Middleton being nowhere near his all-star level is problem.
It's tough to tell if he's a bad coach or this team is just old and can't defend. Middleton has looked pretty slow out there when I've watched.
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Like others have said, Giannis hand picked AG. Giannis is going to need to go to the FO and tell them he's done with AG for them to fire AG. And that won't happen this year and probably not next year.
Also, if they are going to fire AG mid season, they'll just elevate an assistant to interim. They aren't going out and hiring Doc or some unemployed head coach right now. If they are going to make a hire, it'll be in the offseason when every coach who might be interested in the Bucks job has the chance.
AG is a terrible coach and should've never got the job. BUT this roster was never going to win a title. Every move the Bucks made in the offseason was with the intent to run it back. Beasley and Cam Payne made sense as signings when you had Jrue as your PG. Bring some shooting and scoring punch off the bench. Then they went and traded for Dame and those signings make zero sense. So they'll use the buyout market and probably make a minor trade to get them closer, but they're going to need to have a good offseason to remake what is around Dame and Giannis to make that pairing make sense.
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It's gonna have to get uglier before they make a move at HC.
Horst is stuck between a rock and a hard place. If they have any chance of rescuing this, I think you have to move Pat and Bobby, possibly Brook. That'll be a tough blow to the chemistry. It's just a question of do you make those moves to fit Griff's style, unsure if he's the guy?
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Middleton's offensive numbers aren't bad in 25 mins. I guess his problem is he can't guard anyone now? What's the explanation on that? My few times watching the Bucks it seemed to me that their defensive philosophy is problematic because they essentially allow wide open threes.
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Middleton's offensive numbers aren't bad in 25 mins. I guess his problem is he can't guard anyone now? What's the explanation on that? My few times watching the Bucks it seemed to me that their defensive philosophy is problematic because they essentially allow wide open threes.
Khris is in his 30s but his legs are in their 50s.
They gave up a bunch of open threes under Bud, but wanted to contain attempts at the rim. They're not doing either this year.
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Giannis picked da wrong coach, aina?
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Draymond "believes he can eliminate the antics". Will TNT do a docu about this similar to the Poole punch aftermath?
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Spo isn't going anywhere.
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Knew AG was a bad fit since the first two weeks. Knew Middleton was done since his last injury. Strange that the guys paid the big bucks won't acknowledge it.
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This, from Yahoo Sports, also could be on the NHL thread. Cool little story ...
There have been plenty of brother duos in the NBA and even more in the NHL. But there's only one NBA-NHL brother tandem: Knicks guard Quentin Grimes and Canucks defenseman Tyler Myers.
Grimes and Myers are maternal half-brothers. Together with their mother, Tonja Stelly, they make up quite the trio. Three last names, two sports, one family.
Grimes, 23, grew up in Houston with Stelly, where he was a five-star recruit. He was taken with the 25th pick in the 2021 NBA draft after leading Houston to the Final Four.
Myers, 33, was born in Houston but grew up in Calgary with his father. He was drafted 12th overall in the 2008 NHL draft and won the Calder Trophy (Rookie of the Year) in 2010.
The brothers' schedules aligned this week at Madison Square Garden, with the Canucks visiting the Rangers on Tuesday and the Knicks hosting the Trail Blazers on Wednesday. Stelly made the trip from Texas to watch both games, and Grimes joined her on Tuesday to support Myers.
Myers had an assist in Vancouver's 6-3 win over New York.
Grimes had 17 points in New York's 112-84 win over Portland.
Who's taller? You'd think the hoops-playing sibling would have the height advantage, but that's not the case. The 6-foot-5 Grimes is slightly shorter than the average NBA player, while the 6-foot-8 Myers is the tallest active player in the NHL.
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The Raptors' coach rant is highly entertaining if you haven't seen it. Who is this Darko guy?
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The Raptors' coach rant is highly entertaining if you haven't seen it. Who is this Darko guy?
If you go to an internet search engine and type in “Toronto Raptors basketball coach”, many answers appear. I chose this one:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darko_Rajaković
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If you go to an internet search engine and type in “Toronto Raptors basketball coach”, many answers appear. I chose this one:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darko_Rajaković
That says nothing. Darko was not happy.
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Dude wuz 100% correct. In fact, officiatin' in basketball, football, and baseball sucks major ass. Put sum of 'em robots in, hey?
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That says nothing. Darko was not happy.
You asked who he is.
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Who is this Darko guy?
You'd think he'd be an expert at introducing opponents to darkness.
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You'd think he'd be an expert at introducing opponents to darkness.
Groaner foul, apologize to the audience
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The Bucks have 51 points and are up 28 on Boston with 9 mins left in the 2Q. Will they hold on?
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Celtics playing the long game by keeping Griff employed
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Celtics playing the long game by keeping Griff employed
For point.
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Right on, Stacey King
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My son was at the Bulls game last night. He said he was embarrassed to be a Bulls fan after that "disgusting display."
I saw it later on Sportscenter, and it was pathetic.
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Yep. I get that Jordan didn’t like the guy, and of course he couldn’t give his side of the story in “The Last Dance” because he was dead, but outside of Jordan he built those teams. Especially the second three-peat.
It’s really sad that Jordan has to dwell on his frustrations at the end rather than just focus on the positives.
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A total and complete embarrassment displayed by Bulls fans last night.
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BTW the only argument I have with Stacy is him saying that Chicago fans are not like that. New York and Philadelphia fans are. Well apparently Bulls fans ARE like that. Don’t pander.
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Yeah, I don't think Milwaukee fans snuck down just so they could boo Krause with his widow watching.
If King had said that ALL Chicago fans weren't like that, or even most weren't, that would have been OK. But he didn't. And he has no clue what most NY or Philly fans are like, either.
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The entire concept behind the Ring of Honor was stupid from the get go. They have retired numbers/banners/a statue honoring guys already. Get out of here with this Ring of Honor crap.
Hastily put together. No way Pippen was going to go, but if you don’t have a commitment from Jordan showing up, why bother? If they wanted to honor the 95-96 Bulls while Kerr is in town, fine.
Thelma Krause getting booed was just icing on the disaster. Bulls, and the fans that booed, deserve every ounce of criticism.
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The entire concept behind the Ring of Honor was stupid from the get go. They have retired numbers/banners/a statue honoring guys already. Get out of here with this Ring of Honor crap.
Hastily put together. No way Pippen was going to go, but if you don’t have a commitment from Jordan showing up, why bother? If they wanted to honor the 95-96 Bulls while Kerr is in town, fine.
Thelma Krause getting booed was just icing on the disaster. Bulls, and the fans that booed, deserve every ounce of criticism.
I agree with all of your post.
The Bulls have almost never done anything to endear themselves to Chicago; from lack of any effort to win to utter arrogance to media and fans to cool appreciation for players. The organization sowed some of the seeds that blossomed in an embarrassment last night.
Leave the 'Ring of Honor' b.s. for the Cowboys. Pathetic copy-cat PR stunt.
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A total and complete embarrassment displayed by Bulls fans last night.
But not surprising. Society as a whole has become more self-absorbed and selfish. It seems more and more care only about what they feel and think "right now," and show less empathy, thought, and care for others.
I feel for Krause's family. They shouldn't have had to do that. And if you didn't like Krause, you could have just stayed silent.
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What happens 10 years from now when, for whatever reason, Marquette has some kind of event/celebration and Wojo is introduced at Fiserv? Will thousands stand and boo? Jeesh, I hope not.
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What happens 10 years from now when, for whatever reason, Marquette has some kind of event/celebration and Wojo is introduced at Fiserv? Will thousands stand and boo? Jeesh, I hope not.
There was a smattering of boos after the Butler game. Crean's image was booed for a decade on the video screen.
The fact of the matter is Jerry Reinsdorf never took the blame for dismantling that team. Always saying I offered Phil his chance to return while telling Krause to blow them up out of the other side of his mouth.
This reaction to Krause was predictable. It should have been a separate ceremony. Why celebrate the court greatness while honoring the business side of building and dismantling? No clue.
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Also, they didn’t even introduce each individual member of the ‘95-‘96 team. Longley came from Australia for this, and they couldn’t give him or other guys a 10 second intro and ovation.
Ridiculous.
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But not surprising. Society as a whole has become more self-absorbed and selfish. It seems more and more care only about what they feel and think "right now," and show less empathy, thought, and care for others.
I feel for Krause's family. They shouldn't have had to do that. And if you didn't like Krause, you could have just stayed silent.
Or it has been that way for a very long time and we just have footage at our fingertips at all times.
Either way poor form by Bulls fans. Krause didn’t do himself many favors at times with his messaging but he built a dynasty.
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Read in the Athletic that they only planned it six weeks ago? That can't be right can it?
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What happens 10 years from now when, for whatever reason, Marquette has some kind of event/celebration and Wojo is introduced at Fiserv? Will thousands stand and boo? Jeesh, I hope not.
There are people that would boo Markus Howard
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Read in the Athletic that they only planned it six weeks ago? That can't be right can it?
No, that tracks for the Org
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No, that tracks for the Org
Feels like a knee jerk reaction to the reduced attendance. I'm not joking.
Maybe a statue of Zach LaVine next to MJ's next?
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Feels like a knee jerk reaction to the reduced attendance. I'm not joking.
Maybe a statue of Zach LaVine next to MJ's next?
Lonzo Ball appreciation night and they hand out little models of knees rife with lead paint sponsored by a below average NW suburbs orthopedic clinic with poorly concealed mob ties.
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Lonzo Ball appreciation night and they hand out little models of knees rife with lead paint sponsored by a below average NW suburbs orthopedic clinic with poorly concealed mob ties.
;D
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The fact of the matter is Jerry Reinsdorf never took the blame for dismantling that team. Always saying I offered Phil his chance to return while telling Krause to blow them up out of the other side of his mouth.
This reaction to Krause was predictable. It should have been a separate ceremony. Why celebrate the court greatness while honoring the business side of building and dismantling? No clue.
Oh, I totally agree (and have said so on Scoop) about the way the Jerrys blew up the Bulls. Reinsdorf did Chicago dirty.
And I agree with you, Dish and others that the entire ceremony was ill-conceived and ultimately poorly conducted.
As for the booing ... maybe it was predictable that hundreds or however many idiots would boo a widow, but it's still shameful IMHO.
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Even before Last Dance, Krause’s legacy was complex and there wasn’t a ton of love lost there. I get the lingering bad feelings.
That being said, it would have been crass and embarrassing to boo a video memory of him in recognition or something. To loudly and boisterously boo his geriatric widow is just beyond gross. I felt physically uncomfortable watching the video clip. I couldn’t imagine the cringe being there in person
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The NBA says the main finding from its study on load management:
Results from these analyses do not suggest that missing games for rest or load management — or having longer breaks between game participation — reduces future in-season injury risk," the report said, in bold type, in its summary.
"In addition, injury rates were not found to be higher during or immediately following periods of a dense schedule."
The report said that remained true even when factoring in things like player age, minutes played and injury history.
https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-claims-no-link-between-load-management-and-injury-risk-in-report-003004551.html
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The NBA says the main finding from its study on load management:
Results from these analyses do not suggest that missing games for rest or load management — or having longer breaks between game participation — reduces future in-season injury risk," the report said, in bold type, in its summary.
"In addition, injury rates were not found to be higher during or immediately following periods of a dense schedule."
The report said that remained true even when factoring in things like player age, minutes played and injury history.
https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-claims-no-link-between-load-management-and-injury-risk-in-report-003004551.html
From the ESPN article linked.
"Dr. Christina Mack, epidemiologist and and chief scientific officer at IQVIA Injury Surveillance & Analytics, which produced the report, was careful to point out that the report does not say that load management doesn't work, either."
Sounds like a great study.
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From the ESPN article linked.
"Dr. Christina Mack, epidemiologist and and chief scientific officer at IQVIA Injury Surveillance & Analytics, which produced the report, was careful to point out that the report does not say that load management doesn't work, either."
Sounds like a great study.
Ha!
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From the ESPN article linked.
"Dr. Christina Mack, epidemiologist and and chief scientific officer at IQVIA Injury Surveillance & Analytics, which produced the report, was careful to point out that the report does not say that load management doesn't work, either."
Sounds like a great study.
What the hell is going on with academic and scientific standards? It would be fun to see how much money they were paid to basically do nothing.
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What the hell is going on with academic and scientific standards? It would be fun to see how much money they were paid to basically do nothing.
The NBA commissioned a study but the data didn’t draw definitive conclusions. Do you want them to lie or just give their opinion instead?
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The NBA commissioned a study but the data didn’t draw definitive conclusions. Do you want them to lie or just give their opinion instead?
So what is this?
"In addition, injury rates were not found to be higher during or immediately following periods of a dense schedule."
The report said that remained true even when factoring in things like player age, minutes played and injury history.
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So what is this?
"In addition, injury rates were not found to be higher during or immediately following periods of a dense schedule."
The report said that remained true even when factoring in things like player age, minutes played and injury history.
Right. Injury rates didn’t increase after a dense schedule. But that doesn’t mean they can draw a definitive conclusion, likely because it’s not statistically significant. Have you ever taken a statistics course?
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Right. Injury rates didn’t increase after a dense schedule. But that doesn’t mean they can draw a definitive conclusion, likely because it’s not statistically significant. Have you ever taken a statistics course?
I have taken statistics, brutal :(
I can understand a result of 'not enough data to make a conclusion and we need to continue the study to accumulate sufficient data points'.
If the data is considered sufficient to make a conclusion, and the conclusion is that there is no material advantage with load management and in fact the available data says zero advantage, then there is your answer.
They appears to say "the study says no advantage but don't accept the results". Would that pass doctoral dissertation standards? (I actually don't know)
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I know I said I would be silent about Pat Williams (Bulls player for people who don't know) but at the midway point of the season (I believe he will be out for game 41) here is where he stands compared to last year:
2023-24 (V.2022-23)
MIN 27.4 (-1.1)
PTS 9.8 (-0.4)
FG% 45.0 (-1.4)
3FG% 40.8 (-1.3)
REB 3.9 (-0.1)
BLKS 0.8 (-0.1)
AST 1.6 (0.4)
TO 1.3 (0.1)
Similar to S. Hauser - Sam may be better if he played 27MPG - who makes $2M/YR.
I know people on this board agree that still we don't see a $200M player in year 4. Due to his age I can see 3YR - $36M.
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Pretty wild Bucks/Kings game. Bucks blow a late lead in regulation, then the Kings were up 4 with 18 seconds left in OT and went to the line for 2 free throws and found a way to lose.
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Pretty wild Bucks/Kings game. Bucks blow a late lead in regulation, then the Kings were up 4 with 18 seconds left in OT and went to the line for 2 free throws and found a way to lose.
Shame on me, I turned it off after the foul down 4
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The Bucks have their probs but that was a ridiculous game winner by Lillard. How many Scoopers could make that shot in an open gym with 100 attempts?
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The Bucks have their probs but that was a ridiculous game winner by Lillard. How many Scoopers could make that shot in an open gym with 100 attempts?
With the defenders and the fade away? Probably a couple.
From that exact spot as a jump shot? Quite a few.
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With the defenders and the fade away? Probably a couple.
From that exact spot as a jump shot? Quite a few.
LOL.
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The Bucks have their probs but that was a ridiculous game winner by Lillard. How many Scoopers could make that shot in an open gym with 100 attempts?
Mugster, for $45 mil/year, I'd like ta have da chance ta learn ta make dat shot, aina?
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Mugster, for $45 mil/year, I'd like ta have da chance ta learn ta make dat shot, aina?
That's a shot going 3/4 length of the floor, with a hockey and then jump step to his left, from about 32 feet? Normal people who are good athletes can't get that ball to the rim in an open gym, let alone drain it. Fluffy would not hit the rim. :)
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That's a shot going 3/4 length of the floor, with a hockey and then jump step to his left, from about 32 feet? Normal people who are good athletes can't get that ball to the rim in an open gym, let alone drain it. Fluffy would not hit the rim. :)
Oh I would not. I just didn't know what you meant by "hit that shot." If you are talking about all of what he did all the way from the backcourt...no one would hit that except for luck.
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That's a shot going 3/4 length of the floor, with a hockey and then jump step to his left, from about 32 feet? Normal people who are good athletes can't get that ball to the rim in an open gym, let alone drain it. Fluffy would not hit the rim. :)
It was an impressive shot, but not that insane. He got a really good look from 32 feet. Most scoopers that are regular open gym players would easily hit the rim from there, the better shooters amongst them would not have a problem making 1 out of 100.
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I think I'd have trouble hitting the rim if I tried to replicate that exact move. But I definitely could hit the rim pretty often just firing from that spot on the floor, and I'd probably make a few (by accident if nothing else). And at least a couple of the middle-schoolers I coach also could do this.
I'd be surprised if that wasn't the case for many other Scoopers, as I'm WELL past my basketball-playing prime (if I ever had one).
But that exact shot, with the sidestep and all that ... I'd probably rupture my Achilles and blow out my ACL just attempting it.
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I think I'd have trouble hitting the rim if I tried to replicate that exact move. But I definitely could hit the rim pretty often just firing from that spot on the floor, and I'd probably make a few (by accident if nothing else). And at least a couple of the middle-schoolers I coach also could do this.
I'd be surprised if that wasn't the case for many other Scoopers, as I'm WELL past my basketball-playing prime (if I ever had one).
But that exact shot, with the sidestep and all that ... I'd probably rupture my Achilles and blow out my ACL just attempting it.
I'd want to take the version of me that was within 10 years of age of Lilliard to replicate it.
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Just for perspective, I’ve always played pickup in middle school gyms since graduating from MU (a few random runs in high school, but you get the point). Those gyms are 20 feet shorter than NBA courts (and high school courts are 10 feet shorter).
The shot Dame took was maybe a step inside the half court line of most middle schools or YMCAs. He did it while side stepping and falling left.
The shot was ridiculous.
Standing still in an empty gym? Yes I can make that. Trying to replicate what he did? It’d be a prayer heave.
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I have trouble shooting the side-step left, especially from that distance. Going vertical up the floor, with the abrupt stop, and then the side-step makes that shot way harder.
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LOL.
I’d bet I could hit 20/100 from that spot in an open gym. As a side step I’d make some but less. As a step back? Nah.
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I’d bet I could hit 20/100 from that spot in an open gym. As a side step I’d make some but less. As a step back? Nah.
20/100 from 32 feet? Then you have some serious game. I was an 87% free throw shooter and 38% from distance in hs and could not hit that shot going 3/4 court.
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That’s where Ners left his feet for one of his dunks
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I think I'd have trouble hitting the rim if I tried to replicate that exact move. But I definitely could hit the rim pretty often just firing from that spot on the floor, and I'd probably make a few (by accident if nothing else). And at least a couple of the middle-schoolers I coach also could do this.
I'd be surprised if that wasn't the case for many other Scoopers, as I'm WELL past my basketball-playing prime (if I ever had one).
But that exact shot, with the sidestep and all that ... I'd probably rupture my Achilles and blow out my ACL just attempting it.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day, aina?
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20/100 from 32 feet? Then you have some serious game. I was an 87% free throw shooter and 38% from distance in hs and could not hit that shot going 3/4 court.
Wide open? Nobody near me? Open gym? Yeah. Muscle memory would kick in after awhile. In a game? Hell no.
I didn’t play in HS. Probably hit 46% of my threes in leagues I played in. I’m not very good at basketball. I just can shoot.
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ESPN with an interesting article (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/39318248/nba-65-game-rule-affect-mvp-race-supermax-deals) about the ramifications of players that cannot play in 65 games/season.
The league's rule, put in place in early October as part of the push to curb load management (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/38386013/how-nba-new-rules-resting-stars-work), states players will be all but certain to be ineligible for major individual awards -- Most Valuable Player, Defensive Player of the Year and All-NBA honors among them -- if they fail to play in at least 65 games.
OF THE PLAYERS selected to the three All-NBA teams last season, five of them -Giannis Antetokounmpo (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3032977/giannis-antetokounmpo) (63 games played), Stephen Curry (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry) (56), Jimmy Butler (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6430/jimmy-butler) (64), LeBron James (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/1966/lebron-james) (55) and Damian Lillard (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6606/damian-lillard) (58) -- would not have been eligible for the honors under the new rule.
The rule, therefore, would have also impacted the financial futures of several elite players.
Toronto Raptors (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/tor/toronto-raptors) forward Pascal Siakam (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3149673/pascal-siakam), for example, finished ninth in All-NBA voting among forwards, behind a list that included Antetokounmpo, Butler and James. If the 65-game rule were in place last season, Siakam would have been one of the six forwards to qualify. With it would have come eligibility for a supermax contract extension this past summer.
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Wide open? Nobody near me? Open gym? Yeah. Muscle memory would kick in after awhile. In a game? Hell no.
I didn’t play in HS. Probably hit 46% of my threes in leagues I played in. I’m not very good at basketball. I just can shoot.
Why in the world didn't you play in high school if you were shooting 46% from 3 in leagues?
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ESPN with an interesting article (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/39318248/nba-65-game-rule-affect-mvp-race-supermax-deals) about the ramifications of players that cannot play in 65 games/season.
The league's rule, put in place in early October as part of the push to curb load management (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/38386013/how-nba-new-rules-resting-stars-work), states players will be all but certain to be ineligible for major individual awards -- Most Valuable Player, Defensive Player of the Year and All-NBA honors among them -- if they fail to play in at least 65 games.
OF THE PLAYERS selected to the three All-NBA teams last season, five of them -Giannis Antetokounmpo (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3032977/giannis-antetokounmpo) (63 games played), Stephen Curry (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry) (56), Jimmy Butler (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6430/jimmy-butler) (64), LeBron James (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/1966/lebron-james) (55) and Damian Lillard (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6606/damian-lillard) (58) -- would not have been eligible for the honors under the new rule.
The rule, therefore, would have also impacted the financial futures of several elite players.
Toronto Raptors (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/tor/toronto-raptors) forward Pascal Siakam (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3149673/pascal-siakam), for example, finished ninth in All-NBA voting among forwards, behind a list that included Antetokounmpo, Butler and James. If the 65-game rule were in place last season, Siakam would have been one of the six forwards to qualify. With it would have come eligibility for a supermax contract extension this past summer.
Sure, but if the rule was in place the players in front of Siakam probably play in more games.
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Why in the world didn't you play in high school if you were shooting 46% from 3 in leagues?
Do high schools have Nerf basketball teams?
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Do high schools have Nerf basketball teams?
I've always assumed that's how Ners dunked.
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Why in the world didn't you play in high school if you were shooting 46% from 3 in leagues?
I'm just barely over 5'7 and at age 16 I was probably 130 lbs. I was good enough where I probably could have played my senior year, but at that point I would have been so far behind everyone conceptually that I didn't think it was worth it. And it was no guarantee that I would have made the team.
Also, baseball was essentially in training for 75% of the year and that was the sport where I could get playing time for a good team.
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Wide open? Nobody near me? Open gym? Yeah. Muscle memory would kick in after awhile. In a game? Hell no.
I didn’t play in HS. Probably hit 46% of my threes in leagues I played in. I’m not very good at basketball. I just can shoot.
I was similar. I could never dribble for sh it so all ive ever been able to do is shoot. But ive always been very good at it. When I was super young in like 4th and 5th grade only game my team lost I played for the other team because at that young age no one else knew how to shoot a lick.
I was into other sports way more so never tried to get any better.
I can go a year without touching a ball and walk into a gym and win a shooting contest or contribute shooting in a standard pick up game. Only other thing I do even decently is rebound for my average size which I think is due to instincts from playing other sports.
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I was a way better basketball player relative to my age at 25 and even 35 than I was at 15. At 15 I was too scrawny and awkward. Haven't played in over a decade now because the knees are shot.
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WTH happened to the Bucks yesterday? Is Giannis hurt?
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WTH happened to the Bucks yesterday? Is Giannis hurt?
He had diarrhea
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I was a way better basketball player relative to my age at 25 and even 35 than I was at 15. At 15 I was too scrawny and awkward. Haven't played in over a decade now because the knees are shot.
Same. Only conditioning is worse, but I use the old man game to counter that.
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WTH happened to the Bucks yesterday? Is Giannis hurt?
Nah, he just took the night off 'cuz he picked da rong coach, aina?
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I do love Muggs always dramatically asking wth is going on with the Bucks any time they have a bad game every two weeks in a 82 game season where teams basically dont try in many of them.
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And could have his question answered with a simple Google search.
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Thunder are impressive as sh it. Team is no fluke
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Thunder are impressive as sh it. Team is no fluke
Impressive and fun as hell.
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Thunder are impressive as sh it. Team is no fluke
I'll not have you usurp our friendly fish friends in this manner, they are majestic creatures we should protect all costs even if it means introducing some folks to darkness.
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Zach LaVine out for 1-2 weeks. Look for the Bulls to go on a run. The are truly a better team without him.
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Thunder are impressive as sh it. Team is no fluke
Maybe giving them 30 first round picks was a bad idea
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Towns with 43 in the first half and apparently wolves are only up 4 to the Hornes
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Towns with 43 in the first half and apparently wolves are only up 4 to the Hornes
Damn, and 15 for 18. Efficient.
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Damn, and 15 for 18. Efficient.
And i guess Embiid has 70. Crazy
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And i guess Embiid has 70. Crazy
And Wemby had 33.
Centers have no place in todays game ::)
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And i guess Embiid has 70. Crazy
23 FTs as the basketball greats envisioned
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Threw on the final 8 min of Wolves/Hornets
Hilarious. KAT went into chuck and cry to officials mode. Wolves lose
Hard to say a guy scoring 62 loses a team a game, but might have a case
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Towns with 43 in the first half and apparently wolves are only up 4 to the Hornes
62 points in a home loss to the 10-31 Hornets.
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Has anybody ever tried so hard to try to convince someone they’re “not a fan” of a team? Dude’s posting a play by play with “allegedly” after everything. Then he “decides to turn on the end” and of course they fold.
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Has anybody ever tried so hard to try to convince someone they’re “not a fan” of a team? Dude’s posting a play by play with “allegedly” after everything. Then he “decides to turn on the end” and of course they fold.
Who posted a "play by play" in this thread?
Actually, better yet who used the word allegedly even once, much less everything
You are a fu cking retard, there is no other way to describe you at this point.
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Who posted a "play by play" in this thread?
Actually, better yet who used the word allegedly even once, much less everything
You are a fu cking retard, there is no other way to describe you at this point.
Lol. That’s a good word to use.
I’m as much of that as you are “not a TWolves fan.”
Despite you posting more about the TWolves than anyone else posts about anything else in the NBA thread.
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Lol. That’s a good word to use.
I’m as much of that as you are “not a TWolves fan.”
Despite you posting more about the TWolves than anyone else posts about anything else in the NBA thread.
Who posted a "play by play" in this thread?
Actually, better yet who used the word allegedly even once, much less everything
You are a fu cking retard, there is no other way to describe you at this point.
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Who posted a "play by play" in this thread?
Actually, better yet who used the word allegedly even once, much less everything
You are a fu cking retard, there is no other way to describe you at this point.
Doubling up using that word. Nice.
Looking forward to the next TWolves game that you can cry about. And then claim not to be a fan!
lol.
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Doubling up using that word. Nice.
Looking forward to the next TWolves game that you can cry about. And then claim not to be a fan!
lol.
Who posted a "play by play" in this thread?
Actually, better yet who used the word allegedly even once, much less everything
You are a fu cking retard, there is no other way to describe you at this point.
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I think all pissing matches are reserved for the tennis thread.
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https://twitter.com/DetroitVanDough/status/1749592061915898100/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1749592061915898100¤tTweetUser=DetroitVanDough
MarJon’s reaction is hilarious.
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https://twitter.com/DetroitVanDough/status/1749592061915898100/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1749592061915898100¤tTweetUser=DetroitVanDough
MarJon’s reaction is hilarious.
Says page doesn't exist for me
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Says page doesn't exist for me
Maybe this one.
https://twitter.com/DetroitVanDough/status/1749592061915898100
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Has anybody ever tried so hard to try to convince someone they’re “not a fan” of a team? Dude’s posting a play by play with “allegedly” after everything. Then he “decides to turn on the end” and of course they fold.
You’re the only one that cares about this.
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Embiid dropped 70? I guess PG already posted about this. Damn.
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From Yahoo Sports:
Embiid is the ninth member of the 70-point club, joining Chamberlain (6x), Bryant, Thompson, Baylor, David Robinson, Donovan Mitchell, Damian Lillard and Devin Booker.
Embiid's outburst in a 133-123 win over the Spurs was the 14th 70-point game in the history of the NBA, which dates back to 1946.
For context: There have been 19 perfect games in MLB since 1946 and 15 instances of an NFL player rushing for 250+ yards.
My additional 3 cents: Of course Wilt did it SIX times. Every time anybody hits some kind of impressive number, milestone or record, Wilt is always on the list to have done it previously. It's pretty incredible that Wilt actually is an underrated player historically.
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Threw on the final 8 min of Wolves/Hornets
Hilarious. KAT went into chuck and cry to officials mode. Wolves lose
Hard to say a guy scoring 62 loses a team a game, but might have a case
From Yahoo Sports:
Meanwhile, in Minnesota… Towns' historic night was much less celebratory as it came in a 128-125 loss to the lowly Hornets.
In the locker room, Anthony Edwards admitted the West-leading Wolves were focused on feeding the hot hand rather than winning the game, which they led by 15 entering the fourth quarter.
Head coach Chris Finch was irate, calling his team's performance "disgusting" and "immature." He also said Towns was "hunting a big number."
It's certainly not easy losing to the Hornets, so that's an accomplishment in itself!
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It was all about Kobe.
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Bucks fire Griffin. Joe Prunty is back in charge baby!
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And Doc is who they are targeting as a replacement.
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Can't wait to see who we blow a 3-1 lead against.
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Yeah I'm not a huge Doc fan, but they clearly had to change something.
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Bucks fire Griffin. Joe Prunty is back in charge baby!
Whoa.
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Dang just saw that Rozier got sent to the Heat too
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What took them so long? #34 picked da rong coach. Hello, Doc, hey?
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Terry Stotts saw this dumpster fire long ago, hey?
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I predict Darvin Ham will get hired this summer
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I'd take a hard pass on Doc.
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Doc will be fine. What ailed this team wasn't anything complicated.
I feel for Griffin, just as I did for David Blatt when he got launched with a similar record. Tough biz.
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In the future, #34 needs to just shut up and dribble. Oh, and make his free throws too, aina?
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Kudos to the Bucks for recognizing their mistake and moving quickly.
Unfortunately it leads to the same ignorant drivel from a certain poster.
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Kudos to the Bucks for recognizing their mistake and moving quickly.
I also applaud the Bucks for having standards and striving for excellence.
(Meanwhile the Bulls let Donovan nap on the sidelines)
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Kudos to the Bucks for recognizing their mistake and moving quickly.
Unfortunately it leads to the same ignorant drivel from a certain poster.
Well, in this case, he certainly hasn't been wrong.
We've been in agreement for some time on the topic.
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I'd take Bud back over taking Doc.
We'll be far better off this year with Doc over AG. But I do not think Doc would be close to the best coach you could've got had you done this going into the offseason.
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In the future, #34 needs to just shut up and dribble. Oh, and make his free throws too, aina?
Will you be there when they unveil his statue?
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League sources say Doc Rivers, who signed on as an ESPN analyst after getting fired by Philadelphia in May, began to serve as an informal consultant to Griffin at the behest of the Bucks.
Lol perfect. Let's hire the guy who was helping AG.
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In normal circumstances, I'd say hiring Kenny Atkinson would be a good compromise in bringing back Popovich disciples without admitting that we biffed it letting Bud go. I don't see him leaving the Warriors at this moment in time, though.
I don't know what will happen (I'd rather have Bud), but there will be roster changes. Beasley has been a good piece, but he was added under the presumption of Jrue being around. the pairing of Jrue and Beas makes a ton of sense. Dame + Beas, not so much.
I would expect to see Pat in a salary dump. Bobby not completely safe, though I think it's much less likely given Robin is wholly unplayable.
Lastly - REALLY hope we grab PJ as an end of bench piece. Don't need him to play in a single game, but this team is going to be dependent on vocal leaders the rest of the year...the more the better.
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Lol perfect. Let's hire the guy who was helping AG.
That doesn't bother me that much. But Doc's lack of playoff success does.
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That doesn't bother me that much. But Doc's lack of playoff success does.
I thought the same a bit. But then, in San Diego he had a team that wasn’t capable of winning a title. I think the same in Philly.
Good teams, playoff teams - but never had the players to win a title.
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I thought the same a bit. But then, in San Diego he had a team that wasn’t capable of winning a title. I think the same in Philly.
Good teams, playoff teams - but never had the players to win a title.
lol. San Diego?
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I thought the same a bit. But then, in San Diego he had a team that wasn’t capable of winning a title. I think the same in Philly.
Good teams, playoff teams - but never had the players to win a title.
Assuming you mean LA, but I disagree. He never had the best roster in the league so it’s not like he underachieved that much. But it never seemed like he made teams better either.
He’s not a guy that would give me confidence about getting past Boston or Philly.
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Assuming you mean LA, but I disagree. He never had the best roster in the league so it’s not like he underachieved that much. But it never seemed like he made teams better either.
He’s not a guy that would give me confidence about getting past Boston or Philly.
I can’t really disagree with you. I think he’s a solid coach, but don’t know if he is any better than that.
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The memes/tweets about Griffin being fired cause he wanted to bench/send down Thanasis are hilarious
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lol. San Diego?
Absolutely.
Now if Kawhi, George, and Paul were all available it would have been different. But with the players that couldn’t play? Zero chance.
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The memes/tweets about Griffin being fired cause he wanted to bench/send down Thanasis are hilarious
4ever started them cuz he’s so anxious to get rid of Giannis.
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Rivers to the Bucks confirmed lol
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Rivers to the Bucks confirmed lol
Wow. Just wow.
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I'm a big fan of Glenn, so I'll be a big fan of the Bucks now. But I gotta admit that the fit might not be right as the Bucks' roster is currently constituted.
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Rivers to the Bucks confirmed lol
Is it official? I haven't seen that yet. I'm sure it's only a matter of time, but it's not done yet.
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Is it official? I haven't seen that yet. I'm sure it's only a matter of time, but it's not done yet.
Same.
But I'm not sure why this would be a surprise to anyone. If the Bucks felt the need to give themselves a shot at winning the title this year to the point of firing AG, you aren't having Joe Prunty coach the rest of the season. And the available names to the Bucks right now are Doc, Stotts, Jeff Van Gundy, Nate McMillan, or trying to get Kenny Atkinson away from a team that just had another assistant coach suddenly pass away.
Doc's obviously going to be the guy coaching the Bucks within the next couple days, if not hours.
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5:15 pm presser, hey?
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Luka and Booker having a night
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Luka with 73, 10 and 7 on 25/33 shooting. Wow
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Luka with 73, 10 and 7 on 25/33 shooting. Wow
Holy crap.
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Luka and Booker having a night
Ive not been the biggest fan of him, but Booker has been out of his mind the last week and change. 62, 46, and 52 in the last 5 games
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Do NBA stats really mean the same as they use to? Multiple players (4) have gone for 60+, Luka with almost a 70 point triple double. Triple Doubles are fairly routine now.
What is the cause, is it a lack of defense? (27% (4 out of 15) of all players to score 70 or more points in a game have occurred in the last 12 months)
Separate. When you see how the game is played now, it is hard not to look at it and say that Steph Curry has had one of the biggest impacts on the game ever. The game is different now, because of how Steph played the game and how the GSW dominated for a while.
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Yeah these huge games certainly aren't as meaningful as they used to be. Players can just flat out score, and when they get hot its pretty hard to stop.
Steph Curry has undoubtedly had that impact, but IMO he has benefitted greatly from offensive philosophies introduced years ago that finally have caught on and been adapted to the NBA. Coaches like Mike D'Antoni brought some of this with them from Europe, had players like Steve Nash running this system, but could never get over the hump. They were of course criticized for not playing defense, etc. But they were just ahead of their time.
Reminds me of how coaches like Mouse Davis and June Jones first brought the Run and Shoot offense to the NFL, and met some success and A LOT of criticism, but now those concepts are all over the place every Sunday.
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Combine my sensational middle-school "career" with my one year of HS JV hoops with my two years of rec-league ball as a teenager with my 4 years of intramural ball at Marquette ... and maybe, just maybe, I scored 73 points.
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Here's the first few paragraphs from The Athletic's report of Saturday's late-night LeBron-Steph showdown. Pretty good stuff.
SAN FRANCISCO — The frustration seethed in Stephen Curry. Until it boiled to the surface. Until he let out a roar. Until he ripped his jersey from the color to the 30.
He’d scored 46 points on 35 shots, getting the benefit of just three free throws in his 43 minutes. He hit the game-tying layup at the end of regulation. Inside the final minute of the first overtime, he forced a turnover and then hit a massive corner 3, setting up the game-tying 3 from Klay Thompson that kept the Warriors alive. Then in the second overtime, Curry’s final points of the night came on a 26-footer from the top with 4.7 seconds remaining, putting the Warriors up a point.
He left his follow-through in the air as he backpedaled. Too spent for a more elaborate celebration. The NBA’s leader in clutch points delivered 19 more in this double-overtime affair, including 10 in the second overtime. On most nights, it would’ve been enough.
But on the other team was Curry’s partner in magnificence. His most validating and valiant foe. LeBron James. They’ve exchanged heartbreaks and hugs over the years. James, whose Lakers eliminated Curry’s Warriors from the playoffs last year, had more heartbreak to hand Curry.
The 39-year-old James beat a rookie nearly half his age off the dribble, blew past another young, spry athlete and powered up for a strong attack on the rim. He drew the foul and, punctuating his spectacular night, swished a pair of free throws to give the Lakers the win, 145-144. James’ 36 points, 20 rebounds and 12 assists in nearly 48 minutes indicted his birth certificate for fraud.
They aren’t winning like they’re used to, both needing all they have just to stay in the race, both hoping to find crucial help to get them back to the realm of the contenders. But Saturday showed Curry and LeBron are still captivating. It will be a decade this coming February since LeBron’s buzzer-beating 3 against the Warriors at Oracle in Oakland debuted “The Silencer” celebration and sparked this duo into must-watch theater. All these years later, when they share a court, it’s still the NBA’s best theater.
https://theathletic.com/5232646/2024/01/28/lebron-james-stephen-curry-warriors-lakers/?source=pulsenewsletter&campaign=8875624
Obviously, LeBron-Steph being the NBA's best theater is the opinion of the writer (Marcus Thompson II), but he sure made a decent case.
If nothing else, to think that LeBron, at 106 years old, could still put up a 36-20-12 game and play 48 hard minutes ... remarkable. And Curry still playing like he's in his prime ... incredible.
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Nice debut for Simmons tonight.
Probably wont last, but impressive
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Ryan Arcidiacono has played in a record 20 NBA games without scoring a point. The previous record was 10.
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Ryan Arcidiacono has played in a record 20 NBA games without scoring a point. The previous record was 10.
I kind of thought Nardi on Nova’s bench tonight was Arci 😅
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I kind of thought Nardi on Nova’s bench tonight was Arci 😅
Are you sure that wasn't Arci's actual brother who is on the team? ;D
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Embiid hurt his knee last night. MRI results not released yet.
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Are you sure that wasn't Arci's actual brother who is on the team? ;D
Haha yeah. It was one of the assistant coaches. I looked at their staff and it was definitely Nardi.
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Haha yeah. It was one of the assistant coaches. I looked at their staff and it was definitely Nardi.
Fair play. Kind of hilarious that for almost 15 years, between Nardi, Arci, Gillespie, and now Arci 2.0 that Nova has had a white dude (that could ball, not a walkon) from the greater Philly area who could all swap each other to play the other in a movie.
Also, Arci yet another person to look at when positively assessing TK's NBA prospects. They are literally the same size.
Arci Last 2 years at Nova:
Jr: 10.1 PPG, 1.7 RPG, 3.6 APG on 39/37/81% splits
Sr: 12.5 PPG, 2.9 RPG, 4.2 APG on 45/39/84% splits
TK Last 2 years:
Jr: 13.1 PPG, 4.2 RPG, 7.6 APG on 47/40/81% splits
Sr: 15.0 PPG, 4.9 RPG, 7.4 APG on 49/39/88% splits
Arci was a REALLY good college player on REALLY good Nova teams. But you can argue that there is nothing that Senior Arci did better than Senior TK. TK is clearly a superior and more complete PG, player and prospect.
Arci wasn't drafted but became a normal roster NBA player pretty quickly. Gillespie similar situation, currently on a 2-way, but inferior size to both Arci and TK. 2-way converted to regular deal I think is the floor for TK. But I still lean to him getting picked in the 40s in June, assuming he leaves.
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As a college player, TK is better than Arch, better than Gillespie, better than Zegarowski.
Arguably as good as or better than Brunson was, if we want to step away from just comparing TK to recent white Big East PG standouts. Brunson was a better scorer, but TK is better in assists (by a wide margin), rebounds, steals. Both were tough m-f-ers!
If the first three could get drafted and spend time in the league, obviously Kolek can, too. Brunson ... what a player he's become. It's hard to imagine Kolek approaching that as a pro, but what the heck!
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I think its pretty hard to argue that Kolek is better than Brunson - he was national player of the year and a two time first team all American.
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I think its pretty hard to argue that Kolek is better than Brunson - he was national player of the year and a two time first team all American.
Also a 2 time national champion.
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I think its pretty hard to argue that Kolek is better than Brunson - he was national player of the year and a two time first team all American.
I honestly forgot he was national player of the year, and I thought he was only an AA as a senior, so there's my mea culpa.
Stylistically, his game has similarities to Brunson's game as a college player, and he is a better assist man ... but you're right, I went overboard saying he was "arguably as good as or better than Brunson was."
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Portland up 10 on the Bucks.
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Embiid hurt his knee last night. MRI results not released yet.
Vaxxed?
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Bunch of rumors out there that Lebron might get traded.
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Bunch of rumors out there that Lebron might get traded.
Bobby Portis, Pat C are a good start
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Bunch of rumors out there that Lebron might get traded.
One that seems to be heating up is the Celtics.
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So they're goin' for it, hey?
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So they're goin' for it, hey?
Heard it was Lebron to the Celtics. In return its Sam and the rights to Joey
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Lakers got a steal, hey?
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Lakers got a steal, hey?
Yes, it will help the tank
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Guess nobody’s trading for Lavine at the deadline.
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Guess nobody’s trading for Lavine at the deadline.
Now the Bulls have a real excuse instead of "has negative trade value"
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Guess nobody’s trading for Lavine at the deadline.
LaVine and Ball will return in 2027 to lead the Bulls to a Play In appearace. The future is bright. ::)
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Steph Curry just became the third player in the last two weeks to score 60 points in a loss.
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Huh? Maybe da Bucks will trade four 'im, hey?
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Sounds like the Bucks want to move Portis and Connaughton.
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Sounds like the Bucks want to move Portis and Connaughton.
Unfortunately all other 29 teams have eyes
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Unfortunately all other 29 teams have eyes
And neither are expiring.
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Nice little trade for the Thunder, acquiring Gordon Hayward from the Hornets for nothing of substance. When healthy, a solid veteran who can score and play decent D. His contract us up after this season, so no long-term commitment, either.
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Pat Bev is a Buck (for Cameron Payne and a 2nd).
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Sounds like the Bucks want to move Portis and Connaughton.
The only trade chips they have.
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Pat Bev is a Buck (for Cameron Payne and a 2nd).
ESPN messed this up a little bit
The Milwaukee Bucks (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/mil/milwaukee-bucks) are acquiring Patrick Beverley (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3964/patrick-beverley) from the Milwaukee Bucks for Cameron Payne (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3064230/cameron-payne) and a 2027 second-round pick, sources told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski on Thursday.
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ESPN messed this up a little bit
That's just Horst playing chess trying to get an extra second rounder.
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Like the trade a lot. 2nd round picks don't mean much for a contender in win now mode, and Beverly brings a lot of experience and vet leadership. If you look at it like Bev for Payne, clear upgrade for the Bucks.
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Like the trade a lot. 2nd round picks don't mean much for a contender in win now mode, and Beverly brings a lot of experience and vet leadership. If you look at it like Bev for Payne, clear upgrade for the Bucks.
Clear upgrade absolutely, but not close to enough to make the Bucks real title contenders. I suppose Giannis and Dame's talents could put the team on their backs come Playoff time, but as it stands I don't think the Bucks would be clear favorites over any of the other top 7 teams in the East (assuming Embiid is back and healthy come Playoff time), and they aren't getting the 1 seed.
Which is why I'm somewhat glad they didn't make any other big moves. Wiggins would've given me a bit of hope because then you might have enough perimeter defense with him and Beverly, but even that I'm not sold on.
I think holding steady until the offseason when they have 2 tradable firsts (including Draft night) and being willing to move off of Khris or Brook is the way to improve the roster. Which is why it also stunk that AG couldn't have at least been competent enough to last the whole year. There would've been much better options come the offseason than Doc.
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Clear upgrade absolutely, but not close to enough to make the Bucks real title contenders. I suppose Giannis and Dame's talents could put the team on their backs come Playoff time, but as it stands I don't think the Bucks would be clear favorites over any of the other top 7 teams in the East (assuming Embiid is back and healthy come Playoff time), and they aren't getting the 1 seed.
Which is why I'm somewhat glad they didn't make any other big moves. Wiggins would've given me a bit of hope because then you might have enough perimeter defense with him and Beverly, but even that I'm not sold on.
I think holding steady until the offseason when they have 2 tradable firsts (including Draft night) and being willing to move off of Khris or Brook is the way to improve the roster. Which is why it also stunk that AG couldn't have at least been competent enough to last the whole year. There would've been much better options come the offseason than Doc.
I don’t think they get out of the first round and Giannis ain’t winning another ring in Milwaukee barring a massive overhaul of the roster. Is what it is.
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I don’t think they get out of the first round and Giannis ain’t winning another ring in Milwaukee barring a massive overhaul of the roster. Is what it is.
This year is unfortunate because Giannis is playing better than he's ever played, yet it's the worst team the Bucks have had since before Bud's first year.
But, Giannis is good enough that he can single handedly carry a team to a title. I agree that I don't think this roster is good enough to get out of the first round. If that's the case, I think Brook and Khris get moved. If the Bucks do it well, they can very easily be a title contender next year.
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This year is unfortunate because Giannis is playing better than he's ever played, yet it's the worst team the Bucks have had since before Bud's first year.
But, Giannis is good enough that he can single handedly carry a team to a title. I agree that I don't think this roster is good enough to get out of the first round. If that's the case, I think Brook and Khris get moved. If the Bucks do it well, they can very easily be a title contender next year.
We’ll see.
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Are the Bucke done?
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Shocked that Doc hasn't turned them around.
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Budenholzer must have been a genius.
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Budenholzer must have been a genius.
I see they're down 22 at home.
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Look at who’s playing.
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Look at who’s playing.
Whoever is playing apparently defense is optional?
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It interesting the Bulls' GM says 52 games (+ 82 last year) is not enough to evaluate the quality of his team.
First old team in pro sports to hope to get better, by getting older?
I give him credit for publicly admitting the goal of the Bulls is to compete for the playoffs. Not the Finals, not a Championship. Just compete for the playoffs.
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I'm curious who people think are the 5 best coaches in the NBA right now? Do we automatically slot Pop, Spo, and Kerr in the top 5?
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I'm curious who people think are the 5 best coaches in the NBA right now? Do we automatically slot Pop, Spo, and Kerr in the top 5?
And Malone. Then take your pick of Nurse, Thibideau, Carlisle, or Lue. Daigneault looks to be pretty dang good.
I’d probably go Lue at 5.
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And Malone. Then take your pick of Nurse, Thibideau, Carlisle, or Lue. Daigneault looks to be pretty dang good.
I’d probably go Lue at 5.
I think it's really tough to evaluate.
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Are the Bucke done?
Peddle da 'hole mess for 15 used Bikes, aina?
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Peddle da 'hole mess for 15 used Bikes, aina?
Now I’m confident they rattle off like 15 wins in a row.
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Look at who’s playing.
You expect him to actually watch games? He's much more of a google the score, then come here to ask if the score that google showed him is correct, then ask how Zelmo Beaty would fare in today's game.
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You expect him to actually watch games? He's much more of a google the score, then come here to ask if the score that google showed him is correct, then ask how Zelmo Beaty would fare in today's game.
"Who are the top five coaches in today's game?"
<someone answers>
"It's real tough to evaluate."
::)
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we were a better team with jrue holiday-looks like dame doesn't want to be here
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The problem isn't Lillard. The problem is the supporting cast has dropped off considerably. They're old and overpaid.
They made the trade because what they had wasn't really working any longer, and they had to do something to get Giannis to sign his extension. But that doesn't negate the fact that Middleton is a step slower and Connaughton has a terrible contract. Portis' contract isn't great either.
This isn't unusual when teams trade picks to go "all in." Everyone knew this day would come eventually. The best they can do now is ride it out, and hope next year people will take PC and BP off your hands cause their contracts will be expiring.
And they got one more championship than I even thought I would see in my lifetime.
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The problem isn't Lillard. The problem is the supporting cast has dropped off considerably. They're old and overpaid.
They made the trade because what they had wasn't really working any longer, and they had to do something to get Giannis to sign his extension. But that doesn't negate the fact that Middleton is a step slower and Connaughton has a terrible contract. Portis' contract isn't great either.
This isn't unusual when teams trade picks to go "all in." Everyone knew this day would come eventually. The best they can do now is ride it out, and hope next year people will take PC and BP off your hands cause their contracts will be expiring.
And they got one more championship than I even thought I would see in my lifetime.
All of this is 100% true.
Need to turn over the roster except Dame and GA.
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And Malone. Then take your pick of Nurse, Thibideau, Carlisle, or Lue. Daigneault looks to be pretty dang good.
I’d probably go Lue at 5.
Lue? Really? I'm not all that impressed with what he's done in LA. Id take Carlisle, Malone, and Nurse over him easily. Chris Finch is a sleeper name as well.
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Lue? Really? I'm not all that impressed with what he's done in LA. Id take Carlisle, Malone, and Nurse over him easily. Chris Finch is a sleeper name as well.
I don't like the style they play, but I think the Clippers results have been pretty good considering all the roster and injuries to their top players.
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First few paragraphs of Journal Sentinel op-ed piece:
As the Milwaukee Bucks return to Fiserv Forum Thursday night for their first home game under new head coach Doc Rivers, I'm wondering how you feel about how the team is spending their, err, your money?
If you're keeping track, the team has fired two coaches in eight months and recently agreed to pay Rivers, a former Marquette University men’s basketball star and longtime NBA coach and announcer, $40 million to get the team over the hump. So far, that is proving a difficult climb, with the team 1-4 under his tenure.
The team, one of the league’s smallest franchises, has three head coaches on its payroll, including Adrian Griffin, who was let go Jan. 24, and Mike Budenholzer, who was fired last May. By my estimates, that’s about $60 million for head coaches – two no longer affiliated with the team.
Bucks’ general manager Jon Horst said the firing of Griffin was a “difficult decision to make during the season.” It also must be a difficult financial decision for the Bucks and taxpayers looking at how the team is spending money.
Interestingly, the Bucks – whom I love – have $60 million to spend on three head coaches, yet taxpayers are still on the hook for the $250 million over 30 years for the arena the team plays at, Fiserv Forum.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/opinion/columnists/james-causey/2024/02/07/fiserv-forum-milwaukee-bucks-doc-rivers-brewers-stadium/72443204007/?utm_source=jsonline-your-week-with-the-journal-sentinel-strada&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=baseline_greeting&utm_term=Content%20List%20-%20Stacking%20-%20optimized&utm_content=pmjs-milwaukee-nletter28
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Yeah, I really don't know what one has to do with the other. I guess just to make headlines based on logical inconsistencies.
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Hopeless Hornets dump GM Mitch Kupchak, an MJ holdover.
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Hopeless Hornets dump GM Mitch Kupchak, an MJ holdover.
Mitch is much better with Jerry West at his side.
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Jokic is a load. 285 lbs or 310 lbs?
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Jokic is a load. 285 lbs or 310 lbs?
Are you just realizing this? He’s been a load for years.
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Are you just realizing this? He’s been a load for years.
I think he's heavier than he's listed.
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I think he's heavier than he's listed.
Aren't we all.
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I think he's heavier than he's listed.
No team that measures size of their players have ever lied about it, so there’s no way it’s possible he’s heavier than listed
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Crean sucks
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Nice little run for the Bucks.
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Apparently the Bucks didn't find something last night. Smh.
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Used, hey?
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Used, hey?
Getting nervous that Marquette might be good this year?
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Jayson Tatum announces a $1MM donation to a partnership to help educate low income families on financial literacy and decision making, influenced by his own family’s struggles growing up. A substantial piece of that donation also goes towards helping those families in the STL area make down payments on homes.
Online keyboard warriors immediately attack him/it as BS cause low income people don’t need financial literacy, they know more than anyone. They just need more money. Then further complain his down payment idea is tone deaf and out of touch cause home ownership for the poor is delusional and they can’t afford it anyways on their minimum wage salaries.
Twitter/other social media needs an auto time out “go touch grass” function for the terminally online
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Jayson Tatum announces a $1MM donation to a partnership to help educate low income families on financial literacy and decision making, influenced by his own family’s struggles growing up. A substantial piece of that donation also goes towards helping those families in the STL area make down payments on homes.
Online keyboard warriors immediately attack him/it as BS cause low income people don’t need financial literacy, they know more than anyone. They just need more money. Then further complain his down payment idea is tone deaf and out of touch cause home ownership for the poor is delusional and they can’t afford it anyways on their minimum wage salaries.
Twitter/other social media needs an auto time out “go touch grass” function for the terminally online
Just another prima donna
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Jayson Tatum announces a $1MM donation to a partnership to help educate low income families on financial literacy and decision making, influenced by his own family’s struggles growing up. A substantial piece of that donation also goes towards helping those families in the STL area make down payments on homes.
Online keyboard warriors immediately attack him/it as BS cause low income people don’t need financial literacy, they know more than anyone. They just need more money. Then further complain his down payment idea is tone deaf and out of touch cause home ownership for the poor is delusional and they can’t afford it anyways on their minimum wage salaries.
Twitter/other social media needs an auto time out “go touch grass” function for the terminally online
You are very concerned with what some fringe people say on Twitter
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You are very concerned with what some fringe people say on Twitter
1) Not concerned, its not like I freaked out about it and told everyone I knew. Its just a perpetually downward spiraling trend of people on social media needing to tear down/find grievance with everything. If I post it here or send it to a friend of mine to roll my eyes about, thats about the extent of it.
2) It wasn't fringe. I saw it retweeted/referenced 4-5 times today, before I saw the story itself actually, and the retweets/references. Its no different than all the references here to guys being annoyed with Taylor Swift being shown.
And the truly depressing part for me isn't the solitary yahoos, its the decently prolific Twitter follows that used to be fun/must follows for commentary or humor related to sports/pop culture/etc... that fall into the aforementioned trend and become insufferable and thus unfollowed or blocked. Like someone I blocked earlier this week who morphed into a frenzied Outkick worshiping lunatic over the last 6 months. Or one of the people that brought this story to my feed, who used to be great for irreverent sports takes and commentary but now seemingly things athletes are all overpaid and compensated disgracefully.
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Jayson Tatum announces a $1MM donation to a partnership to help educate low income families on financial literacy and decision making, influenced by his own family’s struggles growing up. A substantial piece of that donation also goes towards helping those families in the STL area make down payments on homes.
Online keyboard warriors immediately attack him/it as BS cause low income people don’t need financial literacy, they know more than anyone. They just need more money. Then further complain his down payment idea is tone deaf and out of touch cause home ownership for the poor is delusional and they can’t afford it anyways on their minimum wage salaries.
Twitter/other social media needs an auto time out “go touch grass” function for the terminally online
That's helps, but is pocket change, compared to this (going all Chicos, I am friends with their son)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2022/06/06/loyola-university-chicago-receives-record-100-million-gift/?sh=6feedca73219 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2022/06/06/loyola-university-chicago-receives-record-100-million-gift/?sh=6feedca73219)
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The Bucks appear to be a disaster.
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Maybe people will finally open up their eyes to how good Jrue is?
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How is it that Vaughn (.510 win%) is fired and Donovan (.491 win%) get a fat extension?
Nets 20th in salary, Bulls 16th in salary. Nets 22nd oldest team, Bulls 8th oldest team.
This is a rhetorical question, everyone knows the Bulls dream season is the 'play-in'. Mediocrity is celebrated and rewarded. This is just another reminder of the bizarre state of sports franchise.
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This Doc Rivers experiment seems to be going off the rails faster than I ever thought it would.
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This Doc Rivers experiment seems to be going off the rails faster than I ever thought it would.
He’s a bad coach. Not surprised
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This Doc Rivers experiment seems to be going off the rails faster than I ever thought it would.
10 games to judge?
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It's gonna work out stupendously for Rivers, no matter what.
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I’d bet on over 15 points, over 7 rebounds, and over 3 assists per game for him this year. Over 1 block, but he’s thin and 3 blocks is a lot.
Even I undersold him. Looking back at the first few pages of this thread is funny.
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https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/39588370/spurs-victor-wembanyama-posts-5x5-night-loss-lakers
Wembanyama joined Jamaal Tinsley (2001) as the only NBA rookies to have a 5x5 game -- posting at least 5 points, 5 rebounds, 5 assists, 5 steals and 5 blocks in a game -- and became just the second player to have 5 blocks and 5 steals in consecutive games, joining Michael Jordan.
Wembanyama paused to consider Jordan's feat and then asked, "I wonder if he did it in wins."
What a great comment.
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https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/39588370/spurs-victor-wembanyama-posts-5x5-night-loss-lakers
What a great comment.
Hilarious. A rookie on an 11-46 team about a legend who was 6-0 in NBA Finals.
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Hilarious. A rookie on an 11-46 team about a legend who was 6-0 in NBA Finals.
Wemby isn’t really the issue there…
But I do recall him being a bust after the first exhibition game.
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10 games to judge?
Very solid win last night for the Bucks. Have to build on it and not crap the bed like they did after blowing Denver out. It’s encouraging.
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Wemby isn’t really the issue there…
But I do recall him being a bust after the first exhibition game.
Yeah I’m not sure what else Wemby is supposed to do. He’s been good. He’s learning. He hasn’t said anything dumb.
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I like the Clippers new logo. Very sharp. Had no idea why they were called the clippers until now
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I like the Clippers new logo. Very sharp. Had no idea why they were called the clippers until now
Are they see-through?
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I was wrong about Jaquez. I thought he'd be a serviceable NBA player. The guy is proving to be much more.
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DePaul’s own Max Strus went on a hell of a heater in the closing minutes of the Cavs game tonight.
https://x.com/hoopmixonly/status/1762671055930359939?s=46&t=h4SZwr6Xm-yQoPfDH3gYKw
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DePaul’s own Max Strus went on a hell of a heater in the closing minutes of the Cavs game tonight.
https://x.com/hoopmixonly/status/1762671055930359939?s=46&t=h4SZwr6Xm-yQoPfDH3gYKw
Heck of a shot.
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Yeah that Strus shot was bad ass just saw it.
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https://heavy.com/sports/miami-heat/jimmy-butler-max-strus-instagram/
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https://heavy.com/sports/miami-heat/jimmy-butler-max-strus-instagram/
Ah man. How do you not just absolutely love this dude? Just a true dude's dude. A guy being a guy. Good old fashioned ribbing of his buddies. What a funny, down to earth guy.
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Ah man. How do you not just absolutely love this dude? Just a true dude's dude. A guy being a guy. Good old fashioned ribbing of his buddies. What a funny, down to earth guy.
Way to clearly show you have no friends from the African American community where roasting your friends is a way of life. This isn’t even particular extreme.
But none of them are offended or upset cause they aren’t pathologically broken brained like you. Maybe they called him out but the receipts vanished like all the court records of JFB in front of Milwaukee judges
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Way to clearly show you have no friends from the African American community where roasting your friends is a way of life. This isn’t even particular extreme.
But none of them are offended or upset cause they aren’t pathologically broken brained like you. Maybe they called him out but the receipts vanished like all the court records of JFB in front of Milwaukee judges
Literally what I said. I wasn't aware that it was a cultural thing at all, either. My white friends do it with each other all the time. Didn't realize we were being posers by doing that.
It was try hard attempts and they were lame as hell.
Maybe he's jealous Strus's alma mater is having a day for him. Wonder why Marquette isn't having any Jimmy Butler days.
Things that make you go, "Hmm..."
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Literally what I said. I wasn't aware that it was a cultural thing at all, either. My white friends do it with each other all the time. Didn't realize we were being posers by doing that.
It was try hard attempts and they were lame as hell.
Maybe he's jealous Strus's alma mater is having a day for him. Wonder why Marquette isn't having any Jimmy Butler days.
Things that make you go, "Hmm..."
You are implying something that isn't the actual reason. But keep going.
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Why are we bringing up an article from November 2021?
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Wemby vs Chet tonight. This from Yahoo Sports:
Two of the greatest rookie seasons ever collide tonight in San Antonio, where Victor Wembanyama's Spurs host Chet Holmgren's Thunder in their third matchup of the season, Jeff writes.
Tale of the tape: Holmgren leads the season series, 2-0, over Wembanyama, but it's the 7-foot-4 French prodigy who's taken a commanding lead in the Rookie of the Year race (-650 at BetMGM) over the 7-foot-1 Minneapolis native (+500). Don't let that fool you, though: Chet's numbers are nearly as staggering as Wemby's.
Making history: It took just 48 games for Wembanyama to become the first player in NBA history with 150 blocks, 150 assists and 75 three-pointers in a season — and Holmgren has since joined him as the second, doing so in 57 games. And that's not where their similarities end.
Take those blocks, for example. They're not just good for rookies: Wemby leads the league with 3.3 per game and Holmgren is tied for second, with 2.7.
Their overall defense is also elite: Among the 200 players averaging at least 20 minutes per game, they're tied for the fourth-best defensive rating.
Where Wembanyama has the edge: I mean, have you seen him play? He looks like a different species. How does the same player who makes this effortless block also do this from behind the arc? And then there are the eye-popping stat lines.
His first career triple-double was among the fastest ever (21 minutes), and his second was of the rare variety that featured 10 blocks.
Last weekend he one-upped himself with 27 points, 10 rebounds, 8 assists, 5 steals and 5 blocks, becoming the 15th player in NBA history with a "5x5" game. He also became the second ever with consecutive games of 5 steals and 5 blocks. The other? Michael Jordan.
Where Holmgren has the edge: While Wemby's Spurs (11-48) are in dead last, Chet's Thunder (41-17) are 0.5 games out of first. It's one thing to put up stats on a cellar-dweller, but Holmgren has fit seamlessly into — and indeed helped fuel — a legitimate championship contender.
His 6.8 win shares are tied for 12th in the NBA, and if he maintains this pace he'll end the season with the third-best rookie mark this century, behind only Chris Paul and Blake Griffin.
He's also been the much better shooter, with significantly higher percentages from both the field (54.2%) and behind the arc (40.1%) than Wembanyama (46.6%; 31.7%).
The bottom line: It will still take a herculean effort by Holmgren to wrest the ROY award away from Wembanyama, but don't let that distract you from the fact that both of these rookie supernovas are having seasons for the ages.
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How about Rivers and those Bucks, hey? ;) Small sample size as stink of that Memphis loss before the All Star break lingers, but trending in a very positive direction.
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Bulls are a bunch of babies. Bucks get no bonus points for beating up on bad teams, but after a season of making these games harder than they should be, they're trending the right way.
This road trip out West will tell us if they might be back.
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Bulls are a bunch of babies. Bucks get no bonus points for beating up on bad teams, but after a season of making these games harder than they should be, they're trending the right way.
This road trip out West will tell us if they might be back.
Beating the Bulls is not a good measuring stick. Even though they are a better team without LaVine, still not very good.
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Boston up 82-38 at the half over Golden St.
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Great 4Q defense, clutch plays by Portis, and Bucks win again. Lots of contributors down Giannis and Middleton.
Keep it rolling Doc and co. Love the Beverly addition too. Definitely brings an edge they were missing.
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Not sure what their ceiling is but they look significantly better since the all star break.
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Portis with 28 and 16 is pretty impressive.
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Sengun is no joke.
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Celtic blow 22 point 4th qtr lead and lose to Cavs highlighted by over turned foul call on tatum
https://www.espn.com/
shoulda drawn up the play for sammy
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Celtic blow 22 point 4th qtr lead and lose to Cavs highlighted by over turned foul call on tatum
shoulda drawn up the play for sammy
Wasn't garbage time, so he wasn't in the game.
And great job by that officiating crew to ultimately get the call right.
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Celtic blow 22 point 4th qtr lead and lose to Cavs highlighted by over turned foul call on tatum
https://www.espn.com/
shoulda drawn up the play for sammy
Heard a crazy stat…something like only two players this season have shot 100% in a fourth quarter comeback of 20+ points. Strus and Wade in the same week for the Cavs.
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Wasn't garbage time, so he wasn't in the game.
And great job by that officiating crew to ultimately get the call right.
100% the right call. Well done by the officials.
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Why is this a "great job by the refs?" What would be a great job is if they don't fall for what Tatum has done for years now, fall for no reason at all. Him, Ebmiid, Harden. They're just foul baiters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjAZmqxT5yE
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Why is this a "great job by the refs?" What would be a great job is if they don't fall for what Tatum has done for years now, fall for no reason at all. Him, Ebmiid, Harden. They're just foul baiters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjAZmqxT5yE
What I said was: "great job by that officiating crew to ultimately get the call right" ... and I meant it.
They missed the call in real time because it isn't easy to see in real time. The nearest ref has a lot to look at during the course of a play. Sounds like an excuse, and I guess it is, but it truly is difficult.
So the Cavs coach used the rules to ask for a replay, and then the officials took their time, assessed what happened, weren't too proud to admit they missed it, and ultimately got the call right.
I think that was a great job. If you don't, that's your prerogative.
And yes, players like Tatum get away with sticking their leg out while shooting too damn often. Just as moving screens are allowed to be set too damn often. Just like palming and traveling and 3-second violations are allowed to happen too damn often.
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https://x.com/shamscharania/status/1765740182198722833?s=46&t=b4z8_tLYSEk6PYdgEXn91Q
Not sure if this is big enough news to share to not look like a diehard wolves guy
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By the end of this year Ben Simmons will have played 332 out of a possible 646 regular season games in his career.
Collect that paycheck my guy.
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By the end of this year Ben Simmons will have played 332 out of a possible 646 regular season games in his career.
Collect that paycheck my guy.
Lonzo Ball is following his lead. (or I should say "followed", as Ball's playing days are over)
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https://x.com/shamscharania/status/1765740182198722833?s=46&t=b4z8_tLYSEk6PYdgEXn91Q
Not sure if this is big enough news to share to not look like a diehard wolves guy
Sucks for KAT and the T-Wolves. They're a fun team to watch.
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Lonzo Ball is following his lead. (or I should say "followed", as Ball's playing days are over)
His playing days are "over" says who? He's only 26 and still intends to play and has made big strides coming back, he's just not rushing it. Shaun Livingston obliterated his knee and came back to play a decade plus and Lonzo is much better than Livingston was at the time of his injury. Derrick Rose missed huge portions of time.
I'm not saying he's a lock to return, much less be an All Star, but I think its premature to call him done. I see people comparing him to Brandon Roy, but Roy had chronic problems going back to college.
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His playing days are "over" says who? He's only 26 and still intends to play and has made big strides coming back, he's just not rushing it. Shaun Livingston obliterated his knee and came back to play a decade plus and Lonzo is much better than Livingston was at the time of his injury. Derrick Rose missed huge portions of time.
I'm not saying he's a lock to return, much less be an All Star, but I think its premature to call him done. I see people comparing him to Brandon Roy, but Roy had chronic problems going back to college.
The same people who say he has 'made big strides' are the same who say his 'playing days are over', the rumor mill. Since he doesn't rehab with the Bulls , nobody truly knows. And every report I have see refers to "if" not "when" Ball plays again.
We do know that it will be minimum of 2.5 years he is out and this isn't his first injury issue.
But, you're right. I should have posted 'in my opinion his playing days are over'.
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And then there’s Ben Simmons …
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It appears Denver and Boston are clearly the 2 best teams. Who would you take in a 7 game series?
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I’ll take the team with the real MVP over the team with the wannabe MVP.
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I’ll take the team with the real MVP over the team with the wannabe MVP.
No one seems to have an answer for Jokic.
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No one seems to have an answer for Jokic.
There are a lot of legit contenders, especially in the West. Who knows. No one dreamed the Heat would have the run they did last year.
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It appears Denver and Boston are clearly the 2 best teams. Who would you take in a 7 game series?
Nuggets with their experience plus being defending champs def get the edge in West.
But clearly? No. Especially over a team like the Thunder that’s an offensive wagon.
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Nuggets with their experience plus being defending champs def get the edge in West.
But clearly? No. Especially over a team like the Thunder that’s an offensive wagon.
I like the Thunder but I just think they need another big. SGA reminds me a little of Wade.
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On this date in 1962, Wilt Chamberlain completed the highest-scoring regular season in NBA history, in which he averaged 50.4 ppg.
Perhaps even more incredibly, he averaged 48.5 minutes. Even though NBA games were (and still are) only 48 minutes long, he averaged more than that because his team, the Philadelphia Warriors, played in 7 OT games. He was never subbed out all season, and he missed only 8 minutes because he was ejected in the fourth quarter of one game.
(The above info from Yahoo Sports)
Somehow, over the years, Wilt has become one of the most underrated players in NBA history.
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On this date in 1962, Wilt Chamberlain completed the highest-scoring regular season in NBA history, in which he averaged 50.4 ppg.
Perhaps even more incredibly, he averaged 48.5 minutes. Even though NBA games were (and still are) only 48 minutes long, he averaged more than that because his team, the Philadelphia Warriors, played in 7 OT games. He was never subbed out all season, and he missed only 8 minutes because he was ejected in the fourth quarter of one game.
(The above info from Yahoo Sports)
Somehow, over the years, Wilt has become one of the most underrated players in NBA history.
I'm with JJ Redick - the 1960s NBA was made up of plumbers and firemen.
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I'm with JJ Redick - the 1960s NBA was made up of plumbers and firemen.
Did you know Wilt had higher scoring and rebounding averages against Russell than he did against the rest of the NBA?
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Did you know Wilt had higher scoring and rebounding averages against Russell than he did against the rest of the NBA?
Yeah. He was a great player. I'm just not going to be wowed with stats from 1962.
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Yeah. He was a great player. I'm just not going to be wowed with stats from 1962.
To each his own, I guess. My point was that he didn't just pad his stats against the UA Local 157.
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It seems that every time ESPN has a blurb about So-and-So being only the third player ever to record xxxx points, xxxx rebounds and xxxx assists - or whatever the stat-salad combo is - one of the others is Wilt.
Also, every time a record for blocked shots is mentioned, it's a fraud. Blocks weren't an official stat when Wilt and Russell played, and they surely hold blocked-shot records that will never be approached, let alone broken.
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What surprises me more is that an NBA season in 1962 ended in March.
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Basketball in the 70’s was far superior than basketball today.
-Signed People The World Has Passed By
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What surprises me more is that an NBA season in 1962 ended in March.
The regular season yes. The current season starts about the same time (mid October) but ends a couple weeks later (early to mid April). There are two additional games now, but the bigger deal is the season is more spread out.
For instance, look at the Celtics '61-62 schedule.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/BOS/1962/gamelog/
In the eight days between November 11 and November 18, they played six games in five cities. Including a back-to-back-to-back in Cincinnati, New York and Boston.
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The regular season yes. The current season starts about the same time (mid October) but ends a couple weeks later (early to mid April). There are two additional games now, but the bigger deal is the season is more spread out.
For instance, look at the Celtics '61-62 schedule.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/BOS/1962/gamelog/
In the eight days between November 11 and November 18, they played six games in five cities. Including a back-to-back-to-back in Cincinnati, New York and Boston.
Boeing planes worked back then
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In a career of incredible dunks for Anthony Edwards, this might have been his best ever ...
(https://ecp.yusercontent.com/mail?url=https%3A%2F%2Fd15k2d11r6t6rl.cloudfront.net%2Fpublic%2Fusers%2FIntegrators%2F669d5713-9b6a-46bb-bd7e-c542cff6dd6a%2F1d75fd3a730a463c8648bd84293b832a%2Fant%2520dunk.gif&t=1710845189&ymreqid=3c8d0d78-3338-e941-1c0c-17000101a400&sig=MbPL5y7zK3ZU9JYJXwTaTQ--~D)
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In a career of incredible dunks for Anthony Edwards, this might have been his best ever ...
(https://ecp.yusercontent.com/mail?url=https%3A%2F%2Fd15k2d11r6t6rl.cloudfront.net%2Fpublic%2Fusers%2FIntegrators%2F669d5713-9b6a-46bb-bd7e-c542cff6dd6a%2F1d75fd3a730a463c8648bd84293b832a%2Fant%2520dunk.gif&t=1710845189&ymreqid=3c8d0d78-3338-e941-1c0c-17000101a400&sig=MbPL5y7zK3ZU9JYJXwTaTQ--~D)
they call that one the tea bag poster
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In a career of incredible dunks for Anthony Edwards, this might have been his best ever ...
(https://ecp.yusercontent.com/mail?url=https%3A%2F%2Fd15k2d11r6t6rl.cloudfront.net%2Fpublic%2Fusers%2FIntegrators%2F669d5713-9b6a-46bb-bd7e-c542cff6dd6a%2F1d75fd3a730a463c8648bd84293b832a%2Fant%2520dunk.gif&t=1710845189&ymreqid=3c8d0d78-3338-e941-1c0c-17000101a400&sig=MbPL5y7zK3ZU9JYJXwTaTQ--~D)
Thrunk.
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Another look.
(https://ecp.yusercontent.com/mail?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.emailimagecdnuyi.com%2Fjlupybngdi%2Fen_us%2Fimages%2F65f9754c99f94-1710847308.6307.jpg&t=1710851293&ymreqid=3c8d0d78-3338-e941-1cae-8a003201d300&sig=1t_aZhjNW5eFtocZFbpbJg--~D)
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Only to have this one a few hours later...from Sun Prairie's own Jalen Johnson.
https://x.com/ATLHawks/status/1769917607266677194?s=20
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Edwards' dunk was much more ferocious and he soared much higher IMHO. But Johnson's was good, too.
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Only to have this one a few hours later...from Sun Prairie's own Jalen Johnson.
https://x.com/ATLHawks/status/1769917607266677194?s=20
I remember when Scoop wrote this dude off because he "quit" on Duke. Lol. How's that one going?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okFx2IJImuo
By the way, this is still my favorite poster ever. Giannis acting like there isn't some 6'6" human moving under him. Khris's reaction says it all. Not going nuts. Confused and amazed.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okFx2IJImuo
By the way, this is still my favorite poster ever. Giannis acting like there isn't some 6'6" human moving under him. Khris's reaction says it all. Not going nuts. Confused and amazed.
What I love about that dunk, and really any time someone on the visiting team does something similar in New York, is the crowd's reaction. They know, and appreciate, ball.
Here is one from earlier in Giannis' career.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm5T1EPBwmU
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On this date in 1962, Wilt Chamberlain completed the highest-scoring regular season in NBA history, in which he averaged 50.4 ppg.
Perhaps even more incredibly, he averaged 48.5 minutes. Even though NBA games were (and still are) only 48 minutes long, he averaged more than that because his team, the Philadelphia Warriors, played in 7 OT games. He was never subbed out all season, and he missed only 8 minutes because he was ejected in the fourth quarter of one game.
(The above info from Yahoo Sports)
Somehow, over the years, Wilt has become one of the most underrated players in NBA history.
I saw Wilt play live many times in the Pros. He was an incredible basketball player and outstanding overall athlete. Wilt had the stamina to play 48 minutes, strength , speed and a crazy vert measured at 50 inches. He also had a great touch around the basket and his fadeaway was a thing of beauty. Defense and Rebounding were out of this world. St the end of his career when he had some talent around him he focused on passing and had outstanding vision.
I have him as The GOAT .
Unfortunately , Wilt happened to play at a time when The Celtics had the greatest dynasty ever and to the winner goes the spoils as they say.
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His vertical was never measured at that height.
Myths & Legends (as Micheal Stipe would say).
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I saw Wilt play live many times in the Pros. He was an incredible basketball player and outstanding overall athlete. Wilt had the stamina to play 48 minutes, strength , speed and a crazy vert measured at 50 inches. He also had a great touch around the basket and his fadeaway was a thing of beauty. Defense and Rebounding were out of this world. St the end of his career when he had some talent around him he focused on passing and had outstanding vision.
I have him as The GOAT .
Unfortunately , Wilt happened to play at a time when The Celtics had the greatest dynasty ever and to the winner goes the spoils as they say.
I used to meet Wilt for lunch at the Brown Derby back in the early 80’s.
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I used to meet Wilt for lunch at the Brown Derby back in the early 80’s.
Wingman?
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Wilt was Rico's wingman.
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@wojespn
Toronto Raptors center Jontay Porter is out of the lineup and a subject of an NBA investigation into irregularities on prop betting involving him, sources tell @DavidPurdum
, @ESPNWindhorst
and me. Story soon.
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I wonder if he speaks Japanese.
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Not a good loss for the Bucks.
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Not a good loss for the Bucks.
It doesn’t matter. They’ll be the 2 seed.
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Guards are too small to be effective vs Celtics. O, as for last nite, Dame shot 9 for 29 and All-Universe #34 found the bottom of the net on only 1 of 6 free throws. BTW, da Fawns lost by 3 in double OT to a LeBron less Laker teem, hey?
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Guards are too small to be effective vs Celtics. O, as for last nite, Dame shot 9 for 29 and All-Universe #34 found the bottom of the net on only 1 of 6 free throws. BTW, da Fawns lost by 3 in double OT to a LeBron less Laker teem, hey?
I’d have traded Giannis years ago.
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Guards are too small to be effective vs Celtics. O, as for last nite, Dame shot 9 for 29 and All-Universe #34 found the bottom of the net on only 1 of 6 free throws. BTW, da Fawns lost by 3 in double OT to a LeBron less Laker teem, hey?
And barely lost at the team you say they can't be effective against without Giannis a couple games ago.
It's the end of the regular season and they're more or less locked into the 2 seed. Giannis's and Dame's talents are good enough to carry them. If Khris is healthy, they'll have a chance.
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It turns out Draymond has not changed.
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It turns out Draymond has not changed.
Typical Spartan
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It turns out Draymond has not changed.
Shocker. I thought he was cured after anger management classes.
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Curry’s reaction was telling.
https://x.com/ThompsonScribe/status/1773143315027767745?s=20
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The Bucks appear to be a dumpster 🔥.
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Playoff picture in west is pretty intriguing.
Looking likely that Lakers/Warriors end up 9 and 10 which means one of them would be guaranteed to not make playoffs
Everyone is basically hoping to avoid whatever seed the Nuggets end up at.
Thunder/Wolves can’t like the idea of ending up the 3 seed and drawing Durant
But suns could also still end up in play in too. Lakers, warriors and suns all in play in would be nuts
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Am I alone thinking this may be the end for LeBron? He has made comments lately about retirement and it sure appears like Bronny isn't going to be in the NBA next year or for maybe a few more years, if ever. Plus, he has played a lot this year. Makes me wonder if this is the last great push to win his 5th ring then hang it up.
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Am I alone thinking this may be the end for LeBron? He has made comments lately about retirement and it sure appears like Bronny isn't going to be in the NBA next year or for maybe a few more years, if ever. Plus, he has played a lot this year. Makes me wonder if this is the last great push to win his 5th ring then hang it up.
I don’t see that guy quietly retiring on impulse.
It’ll be drawn out.
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Am I alone thinking this may be the end for LeBron? He has made comments lately about retirement and it sure appears like Bronny isn't going to be in the NBA next year or for maybe a few more years, if ever. Plus, he has played a lot this year. Makes me wonder if this is the last great push to win his 5th ring then hang it up.
LBJ talks about retirement anytime he realizes he has no shot at a title. Anything to be the center of attention.
But, according to him, he's uncomfortable receiving praise.
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;D Very true. Humility is not one of his strengths.
Maybe I'm reading to much into it, but it seems like the Bronny situation has taken the wind out of his sails.
I would not begrudge him if he does the retirement tour thing. I think his fans would like it.
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Retiring while he is still one of the greatest players in the world would be a rare thing for an athlete to do.
I don't see it, but I guess it could happen.
We can await word on the 1-hour TV special he arranges with ESPN.
Decision: The Sequel
The Next Decision
The Final (?) Decision
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Maybe he will take a page from so many boomer bands and have more than one farewell tour.
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Maybe he will take a page from so many boomer bands and have more than one farewell tour.
I hope he plays as long as he can. He makes a lot of the right people mad.
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Retiring while he is still one of the greatest players in the world would be a rare thing for an athlete to do.
I don't see it, but I guess it could happen.
We can await word on the 1-hour TV special he arranges with ESPN.
Decision: The Sequel
The Next Decision
The Final (?) Decision
I'd agree that he is still a top 10 player and uncommon for player like that to retire. But there was Jordan, Megatron, Barry Sanders, Luck, Mayweather, Bobby Jones......
He has the records, he has the money, I don't see the Lakers getting better and the Bronny dream seems to have evaporated.
I'm just observing that, on top of the very obvious fact he is very close to the end, some of the other factors seem to be lining up for retirement.
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I'd agree that he is still a top 10 player and uncommon for player like that to retire. But there was Jordan, Megatron, Barry Sanders, Luck, Mayweather, Bobby Jones......
He has the records, he has the money, I don't see the Lakers getting better and the Bronny dream seems to have evaporated.
I'm just observing that, on top of the very obvious fact he is very close to the end, some of the other factors seem to be lining up for retirement.
Jordan wasn't a top-10 player when he retired for good, but your point is well-taken. And it doesn't change what I said: It's rare for a great athlete to retire when he is still among the best in his or her profession.
Agree with the rest of your points. I just don't see it happening, but I could be wrong.
Also this:
I hope he plays as long as he can. He makes a lot of the right people mad.
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@wojespn
ESPN Sources: Charlotte has been granted permission to interview Sacramento’s G League coach Lindsey Harding for head coaching opening. Harding - a former No. 1 overall WNBA draft pick — was G League’s coach of the year for Stockton and advanced to Western Conference Finals.
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Am I alone thinking this may be the end for LeBron? He has made comments lately about retirement and it sure appears like Bronny isn't going to be in the NBA next year or for maybe a few more years, if ever. Plus, he has played a lot this year. Makes me wonder if this is the last great push to win his 5th ring then hang it up.
My prediction, which as always is worth absolutely nothing: Bronny follows Enfield, and a bag of NIL money to SMU/Dallas. LeBron makes a push to be traded to Dallas to join Kyrie and Doncic for another push at titles.
Dallas drafts (or signs) Bronny so they can play together.
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Yikes. Looks like Giannis may be out for awhile.
https://x.com/sichrismannix/status/1777866734373868008?s=46&t=ppua9BCUAa7dWM9-SthPmg
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Calf strain. Definitely won’t be rushed back after what happened to KD.
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Thats not good. Celts road just got easier
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Suns came to play tonight
down 37-10 after 1 qtr
It was 35-4
They were stuck on 4 pts until the final minute when getting into the bonus got them 6 free throws.
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Thats not good. Celts road just got easier
Is it serious?
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Found this interesting for all the talk of the Bucks struggles here…
https://x.com/nba_university/status/1778108200715219302?s=46
But also shows how terrible their bench has been
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i see the bucks and knicks in dead heat for 2nd place in eastern conference with cleveland a game back
who has the tie breaker? bucks could slip all the way to 4th?
last games:
bulls at knicks -14.5
bucks(+4.5) at orlando
charlotte at cleveland (-13.5)
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Bucks have the tiebreaker on the Knicks. Cavs have the tiebreaker on the Bucks. Not sure what happens if they all tie
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It’s unbelievable it’s come down to this for the Bucks. So many losses to bad teams. The 2nd seed should have been wrapped up with a bow on it easily by now.
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It’s unbelievable it’s come down to this for the Bucks. So many losses to bad teams. The 2nd seed should have been wrapped up with a bow on it easily by now.
Meh. Could work out better anyway if they’re the 4. If they lose tomorrow and the Cavs and Knicks win, the 2 seed ends up with either the Heat or Sixers. Even 3 ends up with the Pacers. If the Bucks are the 4 they get the Magic.
Yeah you play the C’s a round earlier than you could. But you’ll probably have to beat them to make the Finals anyway. And I think the Bucks match up okay with the C’s. Yes the C’s are better. But the Bucks have blown them out twice and nearly made huge comebacks twice. The C’s get into iso ball and Tatum cries about the physicality come Playoff time.
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Meh. Could work out better anyway if they’re the 4. If they lose tomorrow and the Cavs and Knicks win, the 2 seed ends up with either the Heat or Sixers. Even 3 ends up with the Pacers. If the Bucks are the 4 they get the Magic.
Yeah you play the C’s a round earlier than you could. But you’ll probably have to beat them to make the Finals anyway. And I think the Bucks match up okay with the C’s. Yes the C’s are better. But the Bucks have blown them out twice and nearly made huge comebacks twice. The C’s get into iso ball and Tatum cries about the physicality come Playoff time.
I don’t know if I agree, but am open to your points.
Aren’t the Magic a potentially dangerous team though too? A lot of young talent. Maybe not ready yet to win series?
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Only 17 assists (to go with 28 points, 11 rebounds and 5 steals) for LeBron. Someday, he’s gonna be pretty good.
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Only 17 assists (to go with 28 points, 11 rebounds and 5 steals) for LeBron. Someday, he’s gonna be pretty good.
Yeah, but how many of them were easy assists and easy rebounds?
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Great call by the Clippers announcers as Houston's wacky Boban Marjanović intentionally missed a free throw to help fans get free chicken sandwiches.
https://twitter.com/awfulannouncing/status/1779701478372053375?
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As I look at the playoffs do you think the Lakers throw the 7/8 play-in game? They don't want Denver/Jokic.
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As I look at the playoffs do you think the Lakers throw the 7/8 play-in game? They don't want Denver/Jokic.
No.
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As I look at the playoffs do you think the Lakers throw the 7/8 play-in game? They don't want Denver/Jokic.
Greeny asked this today on his show. Possibly the dumbest question I have heard from him, and that's saying something. You don't purposefully throw yourself into an elimination game.You're probably going to have to face Denver eventually. You should face them when your old players (AD and Lebron) are fresh.
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Greeny asked this today on his show. Possibly the dumbest question I have heard from him, and that's saying something. You don't purposefully throw yourself into an elimination game.You're probably going to have to face Denver eventually. You should face them when your old players (AD and Lebron) are fresh.
I guess it's not worth the risk.
Is Giannis out? The Bucks have big probs.
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Zion in a nut shell
Absolute menace taking a game over strictly in the paint at 6'7
But the injury was ineveitable. Came with 3 min left and tie game. Brutal
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Zion in a nut shell
Absolute menace taking a game over strictly in the paint at 6'7
But the injury was ineveitable. Came with 3 min left and tie game. Brutal
What happened? It didn't look like much.
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Sacramento is throttling the Dubs. Not exactly a good performance by Klay.
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Klay’s done. He’s been done for awhile. The magic isn’t going to be recreated with this group. Rebuild around Steph.
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Klay’s done. He’s been done for awhile. The magic isn’t going to be recreated with this group. Rebuild around Steph.
I agree with this, although building around a 36-year-old with a lot of mileage on his engine has its own downside.
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Zion in a nut shell
Absolute menace taking a game over strictly in the paint at 6'7
But the injury was ineveitable. Came with 3 min left and tie game. Brutal
I usually don't feel bad for Duke guys (he spend like 6 months there), but last night and his career have been brutal. They were going to win that game if he doesn't get injured. He was the best player on the court. Sad story.
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I agree with this, although building around a 36-year-old with a lot of mileage on his engine has its own downside.
Klay isn't retiring. Will they re-sign him? Wiggins is also a major problem. The guy has disappeared after being an all-star 2 yrs ago. As far as Curry is concerned he needs to be off the ball way more. They need to find another creator.
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I usually don't feel bad for Duke guys (he spend like 6 months there), but last night and his career have been brutal. They were going to win that game if he doesn't get injured. He was the best player on the court. Sad story.
Meh. He's got more money than people can imagine. And he can't keep his weight in check despite having every possible resource at his disposal.
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Meh. He's got more money than people can imagine. And he can't keep his weight in check despite having every possible resource at his disposal.
Your right. I guess I like watching him as he is a unique talent. As I said before, he was the best player in the game. The Lakers had no answer for him.
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Jontay Porter gets lifetime suspension
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Jontay Porter gets lifetime suspension
What are the odds he gets reinstated at some point?
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What are the odds he gets reinstated at some point?
Is he good enough for that?
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What are the odds he gets reinstated at some point?
That was my first thought too, but he's a great guy to make an example of. He bet on and against his own team (though he didn't play in those games) and faked an injury to tank his props. And to lawdog's point, he's not good enough that there will be any real pressure to reinstate him.
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That was my first thought too, but he's a great guy to make an example of. He bet on and against his own team (though he didn't play in those games) and faked an injury to tank his props. And to lawdog's point, he's not good enough that there will be any real pressure to reinstate him.
I think it was a gambling joke that both of you two missed. ;D
1000 - 1 for the record, Pak.
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I think it was a gambling joke that both of you two missed. ;D
1000 - 1 for the record, Pak.
I bet you are correct.
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It will be weird to not see Jontay Porter in the NBA ever again,
said no one ever.
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Jontay Porter gets lifetime suspension
You never wanna be the 1st one caught.
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You never wanna be the 1st one caught.
Maybe this looks harsh in retrospect, but Silver, the NBA and mostly the book makers were livid. I think there is a good chance this will be the punishment even 100 years from now.
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Maybe this looks harsh in retrospect, but Silver, the NBA and mostly the book makers were livid. I think there is a good chance this will be the punishment even 100 years from now.
Yep they have precedent now. This might be a shot across the bow of other players, they just took down the little guy first.
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It doesn’t look harsh to me at all. He had to go. And if it’s a superstar next, he’ll have to go, too.
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Or maybe they will send them to play minor league baseball for a couple of seasons.
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I think it was a gambling joke that both of you two missed. ;D
1000 - 1 for the record, Pak.
Doh! It went under/over my head.
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Yikes. No Giannis for the Bucks.
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It will be weird to not see Jontay Porter in the NBA ever again,
said no one ever.
they might have saved the dudes life unless he still owes someone
"just when I think i'm out, they pull me back in"
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Another year the Bulls miss the playoffs.
Time to drop $200M in Pat Williams lap. ;D
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Another year the Bulls miss the playoffs.
Time to drop $200M in Pat Williams lap. ;D
Try to get a 2nd rounder in a trade. Maybe get 2 2nd rounders for Lavine.
Neither guy has much value. Williams has never been any good and Lavine’s contract means they can’t get much back for him either.
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Try to get a 2nd rounder in a trade. Maybe get 2 2nd rounders for Lavine.
Neither guy has much value. Williams has never been any good and Lavine’s contract means they can’t get much back for him either.
You are right. LaVine's contract is a huge issue but also the Bulls won more after he went down. There was hardly a market for him before the injury and he publicly announced he wants out, so a single 2nd round pick maybe the best they can do.
Williams looks like he should get a Coby White type deal, primarily because of his age, at about 3/$35M. His absence did not hurt the Bulls at all.
The Bulls GM is the main issue. I can't think of one good draft pick or trade or FA signing he has made.
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I'm gonna go wild and pick Nuggets over Celtics for the title.
Came close to picking the Thunder, but it's not quite their time yet.
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I'm gonna go wild and pick Nuggets over Celtics for the title.
Came close to picking the Thunder, but it's not quite their time yet.
You would think the C's have a much easier path to get to the Finals. I'd like to see OKC or Minny make some noise.
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I would also root for the Knicks but Stephen A. Smith makes that impossible.
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I would also root for the Knicks but Stephen A. Smith makes that impossible.
The solution is easy:
1. Root for the Knicks.
2. Don't pay attention to Smith.
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The solution is easy:
1. Root for the Knicks.
2. Don't pay attention to Smith.
That’s only a 2-point plan
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Apparently, when watching the Knicks play, Muggsy is somehow forced to also listen to Screamin' A Smith in the background.
He is the only person in the world who faces such a mandate. I feel for him.
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Apparently, when watching the Knicks play, Muggsy is somehow forced to also listen to Screamin' A Smith in the background.
He is the only person in the world who faces such a mandate. I feel for him.
This is incorrect. I had the terrible misfortune of having to listen to him for about 30 secs during the halftime of that game. His act is a total embarrassment and he's also been proven to be a fraud. The overall ESPN studio coverage of NBA basketball, led by Smith and his buffoonery, is as bad as humanly possible.
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This is incorrect. I had the terrible misfortune of having to listen to him for about 30 secs during the halftime of that game. His act is a total embarrassment and he's also been proven to be a fraud. The overall ESPN studio coverage of NBA basketball, led by Smith and his buffoonery, is as bad as humanly possible.
So 30 seconds of him makes you unable to root for the Knicks? Weird.
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This is incorrect. I had the terrible misfortune of having to listen to him for about 30 secs during the halftime of that game. His act is a total embarrassment and he's also been proven to be a fraud. The overall ESPN studio coverage of NBA basketball, led by Smith and his buffoonery, is as bad as humanly possible.
They just invented this device called a "remote control," on which there is a "mute" button. I recommend you use another recent invention - Google - to do some research on that.
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They just invented this device called a "remote control," on which there is a "mute" button. I recommend you use another recent invention - Google - to do some research on that.
Or he can do the Muggsy thing and be outraged over something completely inconsequential.
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Genuinely curious how many O/Us have been affected by the recent trend of completely punting the last minute of games that aren't closer than 2 possessions. Obviously the leading team dribbling out the last 20 seconds of a game is nothing new, but Ive seen countless shot clock violations taken with plenty of time left on the clock, escalating to dueling shot clock violations in the last minute of a game.
I get not risking injury or prolonging nonsense with fouling in games that are more or less unwinnable, but standing around dribbling for the last 60-70 seconds of the game is so lame and not seen in literally any other professional or college league elsewhere.
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If Porzingas plays well it's going to be very difficult to beat Boston. Unless they choke.
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Or he can do the Muggsy thing and be outraged over something completely inconsequential.
Who says I was outraged?
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Who says I was outraged?
You were.
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Heat still dirty as hell. Heat Culture.
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Jason Kidd is still a horrible coach.
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Uhhhhh......Lillard is launching bombs. And I mean from deep, deep, range.
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44-16 runs (currently) are helpful.
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See this is why they had to make that trade. You gotta score in the post season and that’s is where they fell apart the last couple seasons.
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(https://y.yarn.co/79752741-139a-4756-8e92-f879845725f0_text.gif)
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See this is why they had to make that trade. You gotta score in the post season and that’s is where they fell apart the last couple seasons.
Yes. He went medieval for a half but there's still a lot of work to do.
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Yes. He went medieval for a half but there's still a lot of work to do.
Thanks.
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Milwaukee is doing their best to make this interesting.
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Thanks.
You jinxed them Fluffy.
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You jinxed them Fluffy.
Well this is when they need Giannis.
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The team still isn’t good. But it’s nice to get a Dame heater for a half. And to play a roster with very little Playoff experience.
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The team still isn’t good. But it’s nice to get a Dame heater for a half. And to play a roster with very little Playoff experience.
Why in the world would Beverly, Beasley, and Connaughton be on the floor together?
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Who's your MVP this season? SGA?
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Who's your MVP this season? SGA?
Jokic and it’s not even close.
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Jokic and it’s not even close.
I just don't think he'll get it 3yrs in a row. But I do agree he should.
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I just don't think he'll get it 3yrs in a row. But I do agree he should.
Then it’s a good thing he didn’t get it last year.
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Then it’s a good thing he didn’t get it last year.
Whoops. I forgot about Embiid. I have a feeling Doncic will get it this year.
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OKC/Nola has been. crazy down the stretch.
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Hauser is the lead in The Athletic article about the game:
BOSTON — When Sam Hauser shot 1-for-18 a few weeks ago, Boston Celtics coach Joe Mazzulla was excited for him. This was a moment to savor, a failure that was an opportunity for growth.
“I texted him after the 1-for-18 game and said, ‘The ultimate compliment is you got to miss 12 3s in an NBA game, that’s a huge positive. You have to look at it that way,’” Mazzulla said.
It can be easy to crater when you’re a shooter off the bench for a 64-win team. And as the Miami Heat were scoring right through Hauser in Sunday’s Game 1 of their first-round playoff series, he was bricking wide-open 3s. The Celtics were finding ways to work past Miami’s zone defense late in the first quarter, but Hauser was leaving them empty-handed. The Heat, without the injured Jimmy Butler and Terry Rozier, had nearly erased the early lead Boston carved out with its 14-0 run to open the playoffs.
Then Hauser came back on the floor for the start of the second quarter and buried four consecutive 3-pointers. The Heat never got back to within single digits in the Celtics’ 114-94 win to open the postseason. By the end of the run, Hauser went from scoreless to the game’s high-scorer.
“(Hauser was) extremely important. Sam is a big reason we extended the game in that second quarter,” Jayson Tatum said. “They cut it to three or four. Sam hit three or four 3s. You’re going to need things like that to be successful in the playoffs.”
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Hellofaplaya, aina?
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Hauser is the lead in The Athletic article about the game:
BOSTON — When Sam Hauser shot 1-for-18 a few weeks ago, Boston Celtics coach Joe Mazzulla was excited for him. This was a moment to savor, a failure that was an opportunity for growth.
“I texted him after the 1-for-18 game and said, ‘The ultimate compliment is you got to miss 12 3s in an NBA game, that’s a huge positive. You have to look at it that way,’” Mazzulla said.
It can be easy to crater when you’re a shooter off the bench for a 64-win team. And as the Miami Heat were scoring right through Hauser in Sunday’s Game 1 of their first-round playoff series, he was bricking wide-open 3s. The Celtics were finding ways to work past Miami’s zone defense late in the first quarter, but Hauser was leaving them empty-handed. The Heat, without the injured Jimmy Butler and Terry Rozier, had nearly erased the early lead Boston carved out with its 14-0 run to open the playoffs.
Then Hauser came back on the floor for the start of the second quarter and buried four consecutive 3-pointers. The Heat never got back to within single digits in the Celtics’ 114-94 win to open the postseason. By the end of the run, Hauser went from scoreless to the game’s high-scorer.
“(Hauser was) extremely important. Sam is a big reason we extended the game in that second quarter,” Jayson Tatum said. “They cut it to three or four. Sam hit three or four 3s. You’re going to need things like that to be successful in the playoffs.”
1-18?!?!?
Hope someone’s parents got in the coaches ear
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Hellofaplaya, aina?
He is often very good at one thing that is extremely valued in his sport, and I'm not at all surprised he has an NBA career. As I said, I think he'll be underpaid next season.
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He is often very good at one thing that is extremely valued in his sport, and I'm not at all surprised he has an NBA career. As I said, I think he'll be underpaid next season.
That's fine, he will get a better contract the year after.
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That's fine, he will get a better contract the year after.
Probably true. Either way, he'll have plenty to help support Joey.
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No player should ever take 4 consecutive three pointers. Get the ball to Ed Morrow and Theo John and let them go to work with their back to the basket. Play to win, not to put up stats. Play the right way. Distribute shots evenly.
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Yeah, can you imagine what the Hausers would have said if Markus jacked up a 15th, 16th, 17th and 18th shot after he already had been 1-for-14?
And what kind of coach actually encourages a shooter to keep shooting?
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Can someone make senses of the Bulls offering 36 y.o. DeRozan 2yrs/$80mil? I know they came withing a hair of winning the NBA Championship, but come on.
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Can someone make senses of the Bulls offering 36 y.o. DeRozan 2yrs/$80mil? I know they came withing a hair of winning the NBA Championship, but come on.
He's their leading scorer, good clubhouse guy, $40M in AAV isn't all that much, and they can trade the expiring contract the year after next.
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He's their leading scorer, good clubhouse guy, $40M in AAV isn't all that much, and they can trade the expiring contract the year after next.
I agree with most of that but $40M would make him the 15th highest paid player in the NBA this year. Not many teams can take on that contract even if it is expiring. Also, don't the trades salaries have to match up in the NBA, so they'd have to take back a $40M guy?
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I agree with most of that but $40M would make him the 15th highest paid player in the NBA this year. Not many teams can take on that contract even if it is expiring. Also, don't the trades salaries have to match up in the NBA, so they'd have to take back a $40M guy?
Depends on where the other teams are against the tax aprons.
Also the Bulls have his Bird rights and can go over the cap to resign him, which they can't do with an external free agent. Same reason Khris got the contract from the Bucks...it's not about where else I can spend $40M, it's that I can't spend that money on literally anything else.
The NBA cap rules kick ass
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Depends on where the other teams are against the tax aprons.
Also the Bulls have his Bird rights and can go over the cap to resign him, which they can't do with an external free agent. Same reason Khris got the contract from the Bucks...it's not about where else I can spend $40M, it's that I can't spend that money on literally anything else.
The NBA cap rules kick ass
I guess that makes sense. Seems like they could spend the money elsewhere*. I suppose if DeRozan is all about the money and not winning, he should take it. I think I'd resign myself to never winning for $80mil.
* like the 5 year $200mil for Pat Williams :D
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I guess that makes sense. Seems like they could spend the money elsewhere*. I suppose if DeRozan is all about the money and not winning, he should take it. I think I'd resign myself to never winning for $80mil.
* like the 5 year $200mil for Pat Williams :D
We've discussed this WT. The Bulls are an unmitigated disaster. They are nowhere near competing for anything and have made poor decision, after poor decision, after poor decision, after poor decision, etc, etc, etc. They’ve been a minimum of 3 players away since the Rose injury. DeRozan could maybe be a #2 on the right roster. The contract itself doesn't bother me. But we're dealing with an organization that has no foresight whatsoever, or frankly any idea wth they are doing.
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Epic meltdown from Philly. Wow.
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We've discussed this WT. The Bulls are an unmitigated disaster. They are nowhere near competing for anything and have made poor decision, after poor decision, after poor decision, after poor decision, etc, etc, etc. They’ve been a minimum of 3 players away since the Rose injury. DeRozan could maybe be a #2 on the right roster. The contract itself doesn't bother me. But we're dealing with an organization that has no foresight whatsoever, or frankly any idea wth they are doing.
Truth. >:(
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Knicks Philly ending was wild.
Lowry the vet missing free throws. And then chaos happens. The bounce on that Brunson shot was very fortunate.
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Knicks Philly ending was wild.
Lowry the vet missing free throws. And then chaos happens. The bounce on that Brunson shot was very fortunate.
8-0 run in 35 secs.
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As is the norm for most NBA coaches, Thibs doesn't foul up 3.
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Anthony Davis has officially gone medieval.
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Damn. Nuggets would not be denied.
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Did you see that??? Wow. Just wow.
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Damn. Nuggets would not be denied.
Bottom line is you can't lose that game if you're the Lakers. Ham didn't settle them down in tbe 3Q.
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Bottom line is you can't lose that game if you're the Lakers. Ham didn't settle them down in tbe 3Q.
If the Lakers play the Nuggets 10 times, the Lakers win .............. zero times.
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If the Lakers play the Nuggets 10 times, the Lakers win .............. zero times.
That was a bad loss. And then Ham ridiculously blamed the refs.
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If the Lakers play the Nuggets 10 times, the Lakers win .............. zero times.
I saw a few articles/writer tweets about how if the Lakers beat the Nuggets, it will be a huge cap on Lebron's legacy. As soon as I saw that, I had a feeling this was going to be the outcome. Lebron is a freak and his longevity is nuts, but he's not allowed a proper full team to be built around him since Cleveland for a variety of reasons and this is just a further example.
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That was a bad loss. And then Ham ridiculously blamed the refs.
Nick Nurse blamed the refs after the Sixers' loss, too.
Phil Jackson blamed the refs at least once every playoff series in which his team lost a game.
It's what coaches do.
Meanwhile ...
I'm not a big fan of arbitrary stat salads, but I have to admit this one impressed me:
Nikola Jokić (27-20-10) had his fourth 25-20-10 playoff game. Every other player in NBA history has four combined (two from Wilt Chamberlain, one each from Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Dave Cowens).
Any time you can accomplish something on the basketball court twice as many times as Wilt did, it's damn impressive.
Of course, Wilt probably also had 10 blocks in each of those games, but blocks weren't an official stat back then.
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Nick Nurse blamed the refs after the Sixers' loss, too.
Nurse's complaint was ridiculous. The ref clearly saw him signal timeout, but they are supposed to look for the ball after, and it was already loose. And now they are going to file a grievance? LOL...ok.
Here's an idea. Don't rush the inbounds under your own basket. Advance it to half-court with the timeout instead. (I know they wanted to save it cause they had one left, but still...)
Anyway I did not see the Lakers / Nuggets ending until this morning. But man the end of that game, and the Knicks game, is why the NBA is so great. Really both home teams win in dramatic fashion with the crowd right there. Incredible atmosphere.
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Nurse's complaint was ridiculous. The ref clearly saw him signal timeout, but they are supposed to look for the ball after, and it was already loose. And now they are going to file a grievance? LOL...ok.
Here's an idea. Don't rush the inbounds under your own basket. Advance it to half-court with the timeout instead. (I know they wanted to save it cause they had one left, but still...)
Anyway I did not see the Lakers / Nuggets ending until this morning. But man the end of that game, and the Knicks game, is why the NBA is so great. Really both home teams win in dramatic fashion with the crowd right there. Incredible atmosphere.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Maxey was fouled too, but my immediate reaction was the same as yours ... why didn't you advance the ball for the easy inbounds pass? Self-inflicted wound.
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Maxey might've been fouled...after a nice clean 2 handed shove to Hart's chest went uncalled. The biggest blunder by the refs was overturning the 5th foul called on Lowry when he clearly wacked Divencenzo on the neck/shoulder while knocking the ball out with the other hand.
How about Embiid gets back in the play and boxes out a crashing Hartenstein instead of pouting around about the turnover and lack of timeout?
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Embiid has a total of 0.0 rebounds in the two 4th quarters of this series. But he also blamed the officiating.
In the Lakers loss Davis absolutely dominated the game through 3Q. In the 4Q he had a whopping total of zero points and one rebound. He took one shot.
The coaching yesterday of Nurse and Ham was super questionable to put it mildly. Why on earth didn't Philly call a time-out before they in-bounded the ball after Brunson bounced in that triple? They could have advanced the ball. And no, Nurse did not clearly call a time-out once they had trouble getting the ball in.
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Any medical professionals on here that can explain what's going on with Embiid's left eye? He like can't blink, apparently has been wearing sunglasses around the locker room, and won't look into cameras during press conferences/interviews. Looks really weird.
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Embiid has a total of 0.0 rebounds in the two 4th quarters of this series. But he also blamed the officiating.
In the Lakers loss Davis absolutely dominated the game through 3Q. In the 4Q he had a whopping total of zero points and one rebound. He took one shot.
The coaching yesterday of Nurse and Ham was super questionable to put it mildly. Why on earth didn't Philly call a time-out before they in-bounded the ball after Brunson bounced in that triple? They could have advanced the ball. And no Nurse did not clearly call a time-out once they had trouble getting the ball in.
They had no trouble getting the ball in. In fact it was inbounded quickly. It was a loose ball that Maxey possessed briefly.
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They had no trouble getting the ball in. In fact it was inbounded quickly. It was a loose ball that Maxey possessed briefly.
They got the ball in, yes - but directly into a double team.
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They got the ball in, yes - but directly into a double team.
Right. Which is why taking a TO may have been the better option. A turnover out of bounds is way further away from the basket.
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Any medical professionals on here that can explain what's going on with Embiid's left eye? He like can't blink, apparently has been wearing sunglasses around the locker room, and won't look into cameras during press conferences/interviews. Looks really weird.
Vaxxed?
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Embiid has a total of 0.0 rebounds in the two 4th quarters of this series. But he also blamed the officiating.
In the Lakers loss Davis absolutely dominated the game through 3Q. In the 4Q he had a whopping total of zero points and one rebound. He took one shot.
The coaching yesterday of Nurse and Ham was super questionable to put it mildly. Why on earth didn't Philly call a time-out before they in-bounded the ball after Brunson bounced in that triple? They could have advanced the ball. And no, Nurse did not clearly call a time-out once they had trouble getting the ball in.
You mushed AD declaring him full medieval before crunch time
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You mushed AD declaring him full medieval before crunch time
He's freaking soft if he was influenced by my post. But I'm happy Denver punked them.
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Any medical professionals on here that can explain what's going on with Embiid's left eye? He like can't blink, apparently has been wearing sunglasses around the locker room, and won't look into cameras during press conferences/interviews. Looks really weird.
Maybe some dust got embiided in his eye.
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Do you know what is great and ironic about the LeBron and AD complaining about the refs? The Lakers have taken 550+ more FT than their opponents, more than double the closest other team. (just heard this on ESPN radio).
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I have no sympathy for any beef they have with the officials, but the Lakers shooting a bunch of free throws during the year isn't evidence for any sort of bias.
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I have no sympathy for any beef they have with the officials, but the Lakers shooting a bunch of free throws during the year isn't evidence for any sort of bias.
But it does amplify the absurdity of their whining.
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But it does amplify the absurdity of their whining.
Not really. They may legitimately get fouled a lot.
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Apparently one of the Jokic bros punched a fan in the face.
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Apparently one of the Jokic bros punched a fan in the face.
Maybe he’s buddies with Tom Cotton
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Hopefully, it was deserved.
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Welp, looks like the NBA agrees with the Sixers' "whining" about the no calls.
https://official.nba.com/l2m/L2MReport.html?gameId=0042300112
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I have no sympathy for any beef they have with the officials, but the Lakers shooting a bunch of free throws during the year isn't evidence for any sort of bias.
We are all honored to have you, Mr. Adam Silver, on MUScoop.
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Welp, looks like the NBA agrees with the Sixers' "whining" about the no calls.
https://official.nba.com/l2m/L2MReport.html?gameId=0042300112
So the two minute report shows four incorrect actions. One was a defensive three seconds that eventually lead to a Maxey three anyway. One was a foul non-call on Embiid where the Knicks missed a shot and Philly got the rebound. And there were two that should have been called on the inbounds play.
So one missed call on the Knicks that may have actually benefited the Sixers, one missed call on Philly that lead to missed shot and rebound, and a couple on the same play that lead to a Knicks steal.
Looks like it pretty much balances out to me.
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Welp, looks like the NBA agrees with the Sixers' "whining" about the no calls.
https://official.nba.com/l2m/L2MReport.html?gameId=0042300112
I've never understood the purpose of this. They can have a 48 minute report and list 50 calls that were wrong.
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When people talk about the NBA being a far superior product, the first quarter of Suns/Wolves should not be the point of reference.
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When people talk about the NBA being a far superior product, the first quarter of Suns/Wolves should not be the point of reference.
Its a Rembrandt compared to most of the Cavs/Magic series
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A bit of a concerning start for the Bucks. Indy is consistently getting quality looks.
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That zone Is weak. Nix that immediately.
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KAT is a really dumb basketball player
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The Bucks might want to guard Siakam? WTH are they doing?
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Nesmith flexing after he flies 15 feet from barely a shove from Khris is a little ironic.
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Really hoping Giannis is back, but fully healthy. These Pacers players acting like they’ve done anything in their careers besides win a couple In Season Tournament games is pretty funny.
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The Bucks can't win a track meet vs Indy.
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Ouch. The Bucks can't guard this team at all.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/C6G3tMbrzAc/?igsh=ejJuZnRoYnRrazRx
Is there some Jontay Porter action going on with Embiid? First he half ass goes to box out Hart, who is already checked, leaving Hartenstein a clear runway to go get the offensive rebound. Then he’s here pushing Lowry away from trying get a 50/50 ball. Not to mention his last second shot attempt looked like he had no clue time was about to expire until the absolute last split second.
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Tyler making Herro ball pay off.
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Miami with 23 threes tonight and about to win at Boston. Spo is a great coach but sometimes it's just about draining buckets.
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Miami with 23 threes tonight and about to win at Boston. Spo is a great coach but sometimes it's just about draining buckets.
The Cs didn't play defense on 3s tonight. You can't leave pros open from 3 like that.
Also - https://www.instagram.com/p/C6KtZGoOxl_/?hl=en
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SGA is very impressive. Smooth, poised, and has an unflappability to his game. He's the kind of player and talent that I would like at Marquette.
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A do everything 6'6 PG who controls the game? Who wouldn't love to have one for a season? He was a one and done at Kentucky. Started college coming off the bench. NBA development slowed by injuries. Now, healthy at 25, he is playing really well.
Do you still think Holmgren is a bust?
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SGA is very impressive. Smooth, poised, and has an unflappability to his game. He's the kind of player and talent that I would like at Marquette.
Yes. It would be nice to have someone as talented as the potential NBA MVP at Marquette.
Earth-shattering analysis here...
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Yes. It would be nice to have someone as talented as the potential NBA MVP at Marquette.
Earth-shattering analysis here...
Many scoopers would find something to complain about.
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Yes. It would be nice to have someone as talented as the potential NBA MVP at Marquette.
Earth-shattering analysis here...
We always need to be in an attack mindset/mode. This is just a reminder.
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A do everything 6'6 PG who controls the game? Who wouldn't love to have one for a season? He was a one and done at Kentucky. Started college coming off the bench. NBA development slowed by injuries. Now, healthy at 25, he is playing really well.
Do you still think Holmgren is a bust?
I never said he was a bust,. I believe I suggested/asked that he could be a bust. Clearly I was wrong.
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Any medical professionals on here that can explain what's going on with Embiid's left eye? He like can't blink, apparently has been wearing sunglasses around the locker room, and won't look into cameras during press conferences/interviews. Looks really weird.
From The Athletic:
Philadelphia 76ers center Joel Embiid has been dealing with a case of Bell’s palsy affecting the left side of his face, mouth and eye for more than a week, the reigning NBA MVP said after Thursday night’s playoff game.
Bell’s palsy is “an unexplained episode of facial muscle weakness or paralysis,” according to Johns Hopkins Medicine. It “results from damage to the facial nerve,” and there is currently no known cure. Embiid said he has been getting migraines and began experiencing the symptoms shortly before the Sixers’ Play-In Tournament game a week ago against the Miami Heat.
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It doesn't appear Giannis will be back. The Bucks could be in serious trouble moving forward.
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Many scoopers would find something to complain about.
He should have stayed four years to develop.
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It doesn't appear Giannis will be back. The Bucks could be in serious trouble moving forward.
You should go rewatch game one before you get too close to the ledge.
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Just a terrible ending. Can't get a rebound and Dame reduced to foul hunting on offense. Brutal.
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Just a terrible ending. Can't get a rebound and Dame reduced to foul hunting on offense. Brutal.
All that work to get back into the game and then play that final two minutes. Woof
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All that work to get back into the game and then play that final two minutes. Woof
Idiot
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All that work to get back into the game and then play that final two minutes. Woof
AH!!! Oh my.
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The much maligned Middleton is trying to will em
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Lopez needs an oxygen tank.
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Rebound the GD ball
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Bobby...I love ya, but get a damn rebound.
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Doc’s team rebounds like Shaka’s team.
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Stupidest team in the league and it's not close
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The old vet fighting
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LOL, I have no idea what that was, but OK.
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Come on!
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Stupidest team in the league and it's not close
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Vander Blue-esque
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As if the Bucks don’t have enough injuries… Pat Bev’s ankles are broken!
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As if the Bucks don’t have enough injuries… Pat Bev’s ankles are broken!
Hopefully out for the playoffs.
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Of course, the Bucks are up 20 if Giannis is playing but embarrassing OT defense
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As if the Bucks don’t have enough injuries… Pat Bev’s ankles are broken!
"past his prime" is too mild to describe Beverly
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Am I being irrationally upset at Doc for the Bucks resorting to 90s-era isos instead of running a more free flowing offense late in that game?
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Yes.
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Yeah, I kinda think so too. Cause just getting a defensive rebound or two would have helped.
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This might be the year Luka makes some noise in the playoffs
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This might be the year Luka makes some noise in the playoffs
He’s already made a Conference Finals. I don’t see them getting beyond that this year.
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Not a good result for the Bucks.
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He’s already made a Conference Finals. I don’t see them getting beyond that this year.
Forgot they did have one.
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Wolves should probably stop fouling.
Its the only thing giving the Suns any life in this game or game 2.
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Minnesota is making a big statement tonight.
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Minnesota is making a big statement tonight.
They are definitely the team best equipped to stop the inevitable Denver v Boston finals.
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This suns roster is just brutally constructed.
Booker and Beal also look legit bad most of the time
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They are definitely the team best equipped to stop the inevitable Denver v Boston finals.
I would agree. Their defense and rebounding could give both teams problems. I don't see a lot of weaknesses on this team. It's basically a experience question. They're also very well coached and have a number of guys that can beat you, not just Edwards. They're just really solid and well coached.
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Edwards also gets fouled constantly. Tremendous blow by speed and athleticism.
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It’s going to be HYSTERICAL when the TWolves and KAT get a title before Jimmy Butler. Especially when they do it without any injury help vaulting their run.
But at least Jimmy will sit on Twitter trolling while about games he’s not even playing in.
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This suns roster is just brutally constructed.
Booker and Beal also look legit bad most of the time
I never thought this "superteam" would work. Durant is showing his age and Beal has never quite been at that level. And the two of them, plus Booker, are all kinda the same player.
I think one of the things the NBA is showing the past few seasons is that well constructed team built from within, with a key addition here and there, are way better options than simply amassing stars and robbing you of depth in the process.
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Use the portal sparingly?
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It’s going to be HYSTERICAL when the TWolves and KAT get a title before Jimmy Butler. Especially when they do it without any injury help vaulting their run.
But at least Jimmy will sit on Twitter trolling while about games he’s not even playing in.
I’d be good with that
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Beal was classic subtraction by addition.
A volume scorer who has rarely played in games that mattered and who has never lifted his team to anything joining an already underachieving team with two other guys who need the basketball.
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I never thought this "superteam" would work. Durant is showing his age and Beal has never quite been at that level. And the two of them, plus Booker, are all kinda the same player.
I think one of the things the NBA is showing the past few seasons is that well constructed team built from within, with a key addition here and there, are way better options than simply amassing stars and robbing you of depth in the process.
Agreed on both counts. You have to have stars but you have to do it as organically as possilbe to so you can have the right amount of depth.
Before this series everyone called the Suns a horrible match up for the wolves because of 3 regular season wins, with my very vague watching of the regular season I 100% boarded that train as well.
But watching this series the Wolves are a nightmare for this flawed Suns roster. As you said the big 3 are basically the same player. They love the mid range or getting to the hoop. The versatility/physicality of the wolves is making those shots 50 times more difficult.
Announcers kept saying during telecast how Vogel wanted to take 35+ 3s yesterday. The Suns only took 15 until the game became a 20 pt laugher late 3rd.
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I guess I missed it but Westbrook acted like a total assclown last night. Totally inexcusable.
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Dame spotted in a boot at the Indy Jimmy Johns.
With two starts with Achilles, or Achilles adjacent injuries, the Bucks are done.
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I guess I missed it but Westbrook acted like a total assclown last night. Totally inexcusable.
He outta be clubbed like a baby seal for his psychotic behavior
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They are definitely the team best equipped to stop the inevitable Denver v Boston finals.
OKC on line 1
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He outta be clubbed like a baby seal for his psychotic behavior
Seals and baby seals have dealt with tremendous hardships. Besmirching or mocking them for any reason is a condemnation of the human race.
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Seals and baby seals have dealt with tremendous hardships. Besmirching or mocking them for any reason is a condemnation of the human race.
You truly haven't lived until you've medium rare baby seal with a nice chianti. To Die For!
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I guess I missed it but Westbrook acted like a total assclown last night. Totally inexcusable.
he grabbed doncic' arm and spun him but doncic is a cry baby and I'd have to give him an A for his acting because he gave a Grammy or Emmy or whatever they call those "awards" today
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he grabbed doncic' arm and spun him but doncic is a cry baby and I'd have to give him an A for his acting because he gave a Grammy or Emmy or whatever they call those "awards" today
Lol.
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It’s going to be HYSTERICAL when the TWolves and KAT get a title before Jimmy Butler. Especially when they do it without any injury help vaulting their run.
But at least Jimmy will sit on Twitter trolling while about games he’s not even playing in.
JFB’s story is an amazing one. From homelessness as a high schooler to a Hall of Fame career.
Your story is also amazing after a fashion. When it comes to obsession, jealousy and envy you too are a legit Hall of Famer.
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It’s going to be HYSTERICAL when the TWolves and KAT get a title before Jimmy Butler. Especially when they do it without any injury help vaulting their run.
But at least Jimmy will sit on Twitter trolling while about games he’s not even playing in.
Much respect for Edwards, but no team with Gobert can ever win a championship. KAT almost in the same category. Just doesn't know how to win.
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Much respect for Edwards, but no team with Gobert can ever win a championship. KAT almost in the same category. Just doesn't know how to win.
I'm not sure that's accurate. They're playing with a much better team than in past years. They're also deeper than the other contenders.
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Historically, NBA teams have had to "wait their turn" to be legit title contenders. The Timberwolves' best players are young and untested in the playoffs, and they've never even experienced a playoff-series victory, let alone sniffed a conference final.
Compare that to a team like Denver and their stars Jokic and Murray - got to R2 in 2019; conf final in 2020; R2 in 2021; experienced a major (and motivating) step back in 2022; won the title in 2023. Minnesota (and OKC, for that matter) have nothing like that.
And that's the way it's largely played out in the NBA for decades. Heck, as good as they've been, Boston still hasn't been able to break through. Neither has Philly.
Obviously, that doesn't mean this can't be the year Minnesota wins it all, just that history suggests it won't be.
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OKC on line 1
OKC is good and could beat the Wolves in a series absolutely
But match up wise vs the Nuggets its 100% the wolves that match them better.
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Historically, NBA teams have had to "wait their turn" to be legit title contenders. The Timberwolves' best players are young and untested in the playoffs, and they've never even experienced a playoff-series victory, let alone sniffed a conference final.
Compare that to a team like Denver and their stars Jokic and Murray - got to R2 in 2019; conf final in 2020; R2 in 2021; experienced a major (and motivating) step back in 2022; won the title in 2023. Minnesota (and OKC, for that matter) have nothing like that.
And that's the way it's largely played out in the NBA for decades. Heck, as good as they've been, Boston still hasn't been able to break through. Neither has Philly.
Obviously, that doesn't mean this can't be the year Minnesota wins it all, just that history suggests it won't be.
Lakers in 7?
I think Minnesota could give Denver major probs but I get your point. Truthfully Denver hasn't shot the ball well at all during this series with LA. I do know the Wolves have a much better bench than Denver and are really solid defensively. The question is can they score enough and is a 22 yr old ready to take over? I definitely would give Denver the edge but only slightly and mostly because of experience
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you get a little more consistency out of Jaden mcdaniel and towns, the wolves could be pretty dominating
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OKC is good and could beat the Wolves in a series absolutely
But match up wise vs the Nuggets its 100% the wolves that match them better.
I just hope OKC loses because of the stupid AT&T commercial.
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I just hope OKC loses because of the stupid AT&T commercial.
Haha it is getting very over played. Think its almost every commerical break on ESPN. And always on my damn hulu
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Intense finish to the Knicks/Sixers game.
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I have no idea what Philly is even trying to do offensively to win this game. Both teams have pretty much sucked down the stretch. Embiid a total non-factor.
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So impressed with the Knicks’ defense - both Thibs’ defensive game plan and the players’ effort/execution. Rebounding, too.
But yes, the Sixers’ offense is at a standstill.
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So impressed with the Knicks’ defense - both Thibs’ defensive game plan and the players’ effort/execution. Rebounding, too.
But yes, the Sixers’ offense is at a standstill.
The Knicks don't have their starting center, their 2nd string center has been out the entire 4th Q with foul trouble, and Philly can't get quality shots. Embiid is totally gassed and hasn't sat the entire 2nd H. I disagree with Richard Jefferson that Embiid shouldn't have sat. He's.been atrocious on both ends of the floor and can't get a reb.
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The Knicks don't have their starting center, their 2nd string center has been out the entire 4th Q with foul trouble, and Philly can't get quality shots. Embiid is totally gassed and hasn't sat the entire 2nd H. I disagree with Richard Jefferson that Embiid shouldn't have sat. He's.been atrocious on both ends of the floor and can't get a reb.
That’s fair. I’ve only watched the fourth quarter, and I have no trouble saying that Nurse has been outcoached. And I like Nurse.
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That’s fair. I’ve only watched the fourth quarter, and I have no trouble saying that Nurse has been outcoached. And I like Nurse.
Embiid has literally stood in the corner for about a quarter and a half and has maybe 2 rebounds. He's been an unmitigated disaster, playing against a guy who never plays. And Nurse has crapped the bed as well.
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I think the Sixers are poorly constructed. I mean, Kyle Lowery should not be a rotation player on an NBA contender these days. But I don't think Nurse has added much of anything.
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You know, I was never a big Jeff Van Gundy and Marc Jackson fan, but there is something to be said for an announcing team that has experience and knows how to play off one another. I like Burke and Redick is OK, but Breen seems lost.
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You know, I was never a big Jeff Van Gundy and Marc Jackson fan, but there is something to be said for an announcing team that has experience and knows how to play off one another. I like Burke and Redick is OK, but Breen seems lost.
Maybe he is lost? TNT should have all of the games. Ian Eagle and Harlan are excellent and of course the studio quartet at TNT is 1000 times better than ESPN.
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I like Breen a lot. TNT's coverage is better no doubt, but Breen IMO great.
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I like Breen a lot. TNT's coverage is better no doubt, but Breen IMO great.
He's fine but perhaps needs a break. He inexplicably lost his broadcast team.
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TNT should have all of the games.
Except ...
1. ESPN paid big money to have lots of games.
2. TNT probably doesn't want all of the games, or at least doesn't want to pay for the right to have all of the games.
The NBA can live just fine with ESPN being one of its "broadcast partners" when the billions keep rolling in.
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Mavs with a nice run to end the half and keep hope alive after the Clippers blacked out for a half
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don't get me wrong as doncic' is a rare talent but how does he keep that dad bod in shape playing a game that's gotta burn Uber calories. he doesn't look like he'd make it up/down the floor 4 times without seizing up
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WOW
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We might need to have a conversation about Ty Lue being a “great” coach as many like to claim
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We might need to have a conversation about Ty Lue being a “great” coach as many like to claim
Between Nurse and Lue, the hot names in the Bucks search haven't fared well.
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We might need to have a conversation about Ty Lue being a “great” coach as many like to claim
that always had me scratching my head too
harden's got these refs figured out-play soccer injury to get the calls
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Clips pull it out
woulda been an unmitigated disaster as Muggs would say
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I get why Kidd put P.J. Washington on Harden - nobody else was containing him, and Washington has size and decent speed. What I don't get is why Kidd was having Washington pressure Harden 40 feet away from the basket. Every time, Harden would just drive past Washington, get into the lane and create all kinds of havoc.
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This Bucks team is made up of old, slow, overpaid and over-the-hill has-beens. Peddle their asses, hey?
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Down Giannis and Lillard, for all they're worth, Porter pulls the ultimate boner and gets tossed. Brilliant, hey?
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Down Giannis and Lillard, for all they're worth, Porter pulls the ultimate boner and gets tossed. Brilliant, hey?
Portis.
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Another mistake, Fluffster, hey?
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now it's an ass kicking contest with a one legged man
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Pacers ever miss a 3, hey?
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Down Giannis and Lillard, for all they're worth, Porter pulls the ultimate boner and gets tossed. Brilliant, hey?
What happened?
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Lillard looks totally checked out sittin' on da pines messin' wit his fone, aina?
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Muggs, Portis decided to man up after gettin' into a pissin' match under the basket and managed to get his ass tossed, hey?
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Muggs, Portis decided to man up after gettin' into a pissin' match under the basket and managed to get his ass tossed, hey?
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Totally inexcusable in a game of this magnitude and with their injuries. Smh.
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Bucks just let Indiana shoot uncontested 3's, hey?
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Bucks just let Indiana shoot uncontested 3's, hey?
Somehow they are right there. But they will need to go medieval in the 2H. Their defense has probs.
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This is the equivalent of the MU/Creighton game in Omaha. No Kolek or Oso with Tre throwing up. Playing absolutely fearlessly on the road. Probably ultimately a similar result, but man, the Buck played some legendary basketball for a half.
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Legendary as in Stew Morrill? Bucks are not built to go up and down the court with these young studs. Won't win this game in the 120's, aina?
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Legendary as in missing multiple key players yet still being competitive in a road playoff game.
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Now Middleton is hurt. Put me in coach, I can be center field, hey?
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The Bucks are fked.
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Down two hall of famers and Portis? Inevitable. Good fight.
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Did we recruit Haliburton?
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Game, set, match, aina?
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They're scoring but can they get enough stops?
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Start the bus.
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Who are the 5 fastest/quickest ballers in NBA history? I know I'm biased but Muggsy had insane quicks. Maxey is up there. I'll slot Muggs and AI in the top 5. After that I'm open to a discussion.
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Who are the 5 fastest/quickest ballers in NBA history? I know I'm biased but Muggsy had insane quicks. Maxey is up there. I'll slot Muggs and AI in the top 5. After that I'm open to a discussion.
Shawn Bradley
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Feel like Muggs asks this question the same time each year.
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Feel like Muggs asks this question the same time each year.
Maybe. But I can't get answers for some reason.
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Tiny Archibald, Zeke, Iverson, John Wall
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Tiny Archibald, Zeke, Iverson, John Wall
How good was Archibald in his prime?
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One of the great little guys. Google and YouTube can tell you more than I can.
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One of the great little guys. Google and YouTube can tell you more than I can.
There's minimal footage from his Kansas City Kings days.
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Back in the day, standing in the beer line with a buddy at the old Nassau Coliseum -athletic looking guy comes by sees my buddy runs up, handshakes hugs, etc. My buddy says "Hey Mutaman, meet Tiny Archibald, we went to DeWitt Clinton together."
Tiny bought us both beers. Really nice guy.
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Back in the day, standing in the beer line with a buddy at the old Nassau Coliseum -athletic looking guy comes by sees my buddy runs up, handshakes hugs, etc. My buddy says "Hey Mutaman, meet Tiny Archibald, we went to DeWitt Clinton together.
Tiny bought us both beers. Really nice guy.
Awesome! But what are we talking about with NA fron a pure skill and quicks standpoint? All I know is he is the only player to lead the league in pts and dimes in a single season. Ty.
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Vintage Durant game going on right now
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Hello!!!! Did you see that??
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Game, set, match, aina?
Nothing gets you mass posting quicker that MU or the Bucks losing.
A loser at everything you do.
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Edward’s is absolutely unhinged in this second half. This is remarkable. He may be a top 5 player by next year. His all around game is skyrocketing
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Edward’s is absolutely unhinged in this second half. This is remarkable. He may be a top 5 player by next year. His all around game is skyrocketing
Tremendous performance by the young man. He owned the 2H.
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Not that the Wolves have any sort of rich playoff history
But ANT already passed KG for most 30 pt playoff games in franchise history
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Vintage Durant game going on right now
Losing in the Playoffs?
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Not that the Wolves have any sort of rich playoff history
But ANT already passed KG for most 30 pt playoff games in franchise history
31 in the 2H.
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I don’t know if he plays any role, but the fact that Isiah Thomas is friends with the Suns’ owner probably is a factor in their disappointing season.
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Nothing gets you mass posting quicker that MU or the Bucks losing.
A loser at everything you do.
Wrong, hey?
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Wrong, hey?
Correct. You also post when the Packers and Brewers lose
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Edward’s is absolutely unhinged in this second half. This is remarkable. He may be a top 5 player by next year. His all around game is skyrocketing
The most talented player that the NBA has ever seen.
<ducks>
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Apparently Jimmy's tweets and mousekateer haircut didn't push this series in Miami's favor.
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Gotta love the ROI Miami is getting on Duncan Robinson.
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That was a crazy call on Bam. Wow.
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Denver is not the team they were last season. And they're banged up.
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Gotta love the ROI Miami is getting on Duncan Robinson.
The guy that was shooting 40% from 3 on 7 attempts a game this year until he was out with back issues and he's just trying to come back now.
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Nice to see OKC slam the door.
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Murray is something else.
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The guy that was shooting 40% from 3 on 7 attempts a game this year until he was out with back issues and he's just trying to come back now.
Don't think the playoffs are the time to try to work back into shape. Two straight o-fers. Since March 17th he's averaging about 4 points per game, shooting 25%. Maybe the all knowing Spoelstra shouldn't be playing him
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Don't think the playoffs are the time to try to work back into shape. Two straight o-fers. Since March 17th he's averaging about 4 points per game, shooting 25%. Maybe the all knowing Spoelstra shouldn't be playing him
He still has gravity, the Heat team has 3 starters out at this point. You're right though, maybe coach spo is a fraud lol
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He still has gravity, the Heat team has 3 starters out at this point. You're right though, maybe coach spo is a fraud lol
Not calling Spo a fraud, but playing Robinson is not the right call. Heck,Jamal would be better.
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Not calling Spo a fraud, but playing Robinson is not the right call. Heck,Jamal would be better.
You're not wrong, I'm putting words in your mouth my bad. I don't think 2-way players can play in the playoffs, I think that was just a covid rule change that reverted?
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You're not wrong, I'm putting words in your mouth my bad. I don't think 2-way players can play in the playoffs, I think that was just a covid rule change that reverted?
No worries. My whole point is that an 18 mil/yr guy should be giving you more than 3 points game in the playoffs. Add that to the DNP in the playin game. I am definitely not on team Duncan.
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The Duncan contract was a poor one that wouldn't happen if they could have it over. They will still need to carry him next year (unless they find a willing partner), but can get out with only a $9 million hit the next year.
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The Duncan contract was a poor one that wouldn't happen if they could have it over. They will still need to carry him next year (unless they find a willing partner), but can get out with only a $9 million hit the next year.
I don't think the Heat will ever deal Duncan. Y'all are nuts, he was up for the NBAs most improved player awards even though he was dealing with a series of injuries this season. You're a year late with the Duncan hate, IMO.
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Murray is something else.
Impossibly, Jamal Murray is one of the most underrated players in the NBA. He's better than so many of the more visible stars, but because he plays on the same team as the league's obvious MVP, he is so often overlooked. But hey ... for a basketball assassin like him, that probably works in his favor.
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With Murray and SGA as the starting guards for Canada, they should make some noise at the Olympics.
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Impossibly, Jamal Murray is one of the most underrated players in the NBA. He's better than so many of the more visible stars, but because he plays on the same team as the league's obvious MVP, he is so often overlooked. But hey ... for a basketball assassin like him, that probably works in his favor.
Well he's incredible in tbe clutch. That said, I really think Minnesota has the roster to beat them. I am still picking Denver because of experience but it's a difficult call.
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I don't think the Heat will ever deal Duncan. Y'all are nuts, he was up for the NBAs most improved player awards even though he was dealing with a series of injuries this season. You're a year late with the Duncan hate, IMO.
His advanced stats are pretty terrible given his contract.
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His advanced stats are pretty terrible given his contract.
But he passes the eye test.
His massive improvement this year was in dribble-driving where he's ~5x'd the % of shots he's taking at the rim and he's making them at a 60% clip. It's completely opened his offensive game up, and helped the Heat offense flow more effectively. Combined with his 40%+ 3point shooting at high volume he's a real asset. Combined with big jump in assists, while turning the ball over at the same clip he's turned a corner in his game. Sucks getting injured in the last month of the year, though. I appreciate him trying to push through.
You guys all know I'm a Heat homer, so sorry if these are hot-takes. I don't even realize it honestly I'm in so deep.
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Who are the 5 fastest/quickest ballers in NBA history? I know I'm biased but Muggsy had insane quicks. Maxey is up there. I'll slot Muggs and AI in the top 5. After that I'm open to a discussion.
Prime Rose was insanely fast. Maxey reminds me of him often except with a high school reading level
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Prime Rose was insanely fast. Maxey reminds me of him often except with a high school reading level
I think Rose, Wall (pre-injury), and young prime Westbrook are probably the fastest of the last 10+ years. Fox may be the fastest guy in the league right now.
It will cause a certain poster to gnash his teeth and tear his clothes but I don't think Muggsy even makes the top 5 PGs when looking only at guys who played post 2000. Nate Robinson was a far faster little guy and the dudes above were past even him. Modern explosiveness training is insane.
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I never thought I would say things about a Thibs team, but these Knicks are fun to watch. Especially in transition.
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Man, I know some were high on Nick Nurse, but IDK what the Sixers are even doing here on offense.
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Man, I know some were high on Nick Nurse, but IDK what the Sixers are even doing here on offense.
I said that the other night.
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I said that the other night.
Buddy Hield addition was a flop
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Buddy Hield addition was a flop
Maxey is an absolute stud. Wow.
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I think Rose, Wall (pre-injury), and young prime Westbrook are probably the fastest of the last 10+ years. Fox may be the fastest guy in the league right now.
It will cause a certain poster to gnash his teeth and tear his clothes but I don't think Muggsy even makes the top 5 PGs when looking only at guys who played post 2000. Nate Robinson was a far faster little guy and the dudes above were past even him. Modern explosiveness training is insane.
I feel Earl Boykin is probably up there.
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Brunson is a poor man's Tyko. :)
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I feel Earl Boykin is probably up there.
JWags is 100% incorrect on Bogues.
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How in the world was that not a foul against Maxey?
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JWags is 100% incorrect on Bogues.
Bogues was complete sh it
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JWags is 100% incorrect on Bogues.
Bogues was a novelty because of his size. Like those mini beenie babies from McDonalds in the 90s
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Bogues was a novelty because of his size. Like those mini beenie babies from McDonalds in the 90s
Bcrap. The man played 14 years in the NBA at 5'3.
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Dead cat bounce for the Bucks, perhaps, but there will be hope for 48 hours. If Dame and Giannis return, suppose anything is possible. Win or lose, Pacers have shown themselves to be tremendous frauds.
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Dead cat bounce for the Bucks, perhaps, but there will be hope for 48 hours. If Dame and Giannis return, suppose anything is possible. Win or lose, Pacers have shown themselves to be tremendous frauds.
It's unfortunate Portis was kicked out of game 4.
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Cathartic win, regardless of what happens Thursday. Wish they would have had that tenacity on the boards in game 3.
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It's unfortunate Portis was kicked out of game 4.
Bigger loss was game 3. They had it.
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Going to be there when they put Middleton’s jersey up in the rafters
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Going to be there when they put Middleton’s jersey up in the rafters
He'll be up there with such luminaries as Brian Winters and Jon McGlocklin.
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He'll be up there with such luminaries as Brian Winters and Jon McGlocklin.
Jonny Mac I could understand to a degree, but the Winters one always puzzled me. Same with Lanier, who had pedestrian numbers with the Bucks.
Khris absolutely belongs up there. 11 seasons, 3 time all star, NBA Champion. Third in franchise history in points and assists, #2 in games played, #1 in three pointers.
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Jonny Mac I could understand to a degree, but the Winters one always puzzled me. Same with Lanier, who had pedestrian numbers with the Bucks.
Khris absolutely belongs up there. 11 seasons, 3 time all star, NBA Champion. Third in franchise history in points and assists, #2 in games played, #1 in three pointers.
Oh he absolutely belongs up there. Probably, what...the fifth best in team history behind Kareem, Giannis, Moncrief and Dandridge?
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Oh he absolutely belongs up there. Probably, what...the fifth best in team history behind Kareem, Giannis, Moncrief and Dandridge?
I’d put him before Dandridge. I’d listen to a debate about Moncrief versus him.
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I can go with Dandridge, but in the early 80s, Sidney Moncrief was absolutely one of the best players in the league to the point where he made an All NBA first team. Those Bucks teams were so easy to root for but could simply never get over the hump. Middleton never had that peak.
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I can go with Dandridge, but in the early 80s, Sidney Moncrief was absolutely one of the best players in the league to the point where he made an All NBA first team. Those Bucks teams were so easy to root for but could simply never get over the hump. Middleton never had that peak.
Sid was an incredible defender. I don’t have any issue with anyone putting him ahead of Khris.
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Sounds like Darvin Ham is toast.
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Ham ... toast.
Add a slice of cheese, a little spicy brown mustard, and some lettuce and tomato, and you've got a nice sandwich there.
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Add a slice of cheese, a little spicy brown mustard, and some lettuce and tomato, and you've got a nice sandwich there.
Croque monsieur is better, or in this case "croak monsieur" might be more appropriate.
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Another Porter in trouble.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/40064144/jevon-porter-brother-michael-porter-jr-arrested-suspicion-dwi (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/40064144/jevon-porter-brother-michael-porter-jr-arrested-suspicion-dwi)
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Sounds like Darvin Ham is toast.
Being Lebron's coach is like being Henry VIII's wife
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Being Lebron's coach is like being Henry VIII's wife
I don't think we've had any decapitations yet
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I don't think we've had any decapitations yet
Have we seen David Blatt lately?
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Croque monsieur is better, or in this case "croak monsieur" might be more appropriate.
Nice.
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I'm starting to think this may not be the Heat's year.
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Being Lebron's coach is like being Henry VIII's wife
And Darvin Ham hasn’t produced an heir.
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Tyler Herro was nice this postseason. Classic case of subtraction by addition.
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Tyler Herro was nice this postseason. Classic case of subtraction by addition.
The homer take is that he was our player left to guard so he got no gifts.
No PG (and he didn't step up), didn't hit open shots, and he couldn't guard anyone 1-5 on the Cs in the series. Pretty disappointing.
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The homer take is that he was our player left to guard so he got no gifts.
No PG (and he didn't step up), didn't hit open shots, and he couldn't guard anyone 1-5 on the Cs in the series. Pretty disappointing.
Yeah. He is gifted offensively, but can be somewhat of a ball stopper (though he does make plays for others). And as you said, he can't guard anyone. He's a useful NBA player, but it's wild if he was really a non-negotiable for any true stars that were on the market.
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Yeah. He is gifted offensively, but can be somewhat of a ball stopper (though he does make plays for others). And as you said, he can't guard anyone. He's a useful NBA player, but it's wild if he was really a non-negotiable for any true stars that were on the market.
It’s why the Hausers wouldn’t play with him
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It’s why the Hausers wouldn’t play with him
Dave and Stephanie know ball.
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Dame in, Giannis out tonight.
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Hard to compete when Tony Brothers is in the bag
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Hard to compete when Tony Brothers is in the bag
And can’t defend with Damian Lillard on the court.
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I guess the Bucks crapped the bed? It will be an interesting offseason.
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Congratulations to former Chicago Bulls coach Jim Boylen for reaching the second round of the playoffs.
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I guess the Bucks crapped the bed? It will be an interesting offseason.
They lost a road Playoff game without one of the 3 best players in the world available. Not sure that’d be my definition of crapping the bed.
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Three postseasons in a row with major pieces missing for the Bucks. Two of the three with Giannis down all or significant time. This year being the worst with Dame down for two games also.
Hopefully having Doc from training camp will make a big difference next year. But significant injuries every postseason since their championship is incredibly frustrating.
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Three postseasons in a row with major pieces missing for the Bucks. Two of the three with Giannis down all or significant time. This year being the worst with Dame down for two games also.
Hopefully having Doc from training camp will make a big difference next year. But significant injuries every postseason since their championship is incredibly frustrating.
Giannis has not been healthy which is a major concern. But the truth is that team is significantly flawed and old. I don't think their options are great moving forward.
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Three postseasons in a row with major pieces missing for the Bucks. Two of the three with Giannis down all or significant time. This year being the worst with Dame down for two games also.
Hopefully having Doc from training camp will make a big difference next year. But significant injuries every postseason since their championship is incredibly frustrating.
Will Dame even be on the team next year?
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Will Dame even be on the team next year?
Yes.
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Dumb challenge by Nurse there.
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Will Dame even be on the team next year?
I will be shocked if he is. Especially if Doc is the coach.
He never fit into the offense and his defense was at a Tre Young level.
The experiment was a failure.
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Heck ot a ballgame.
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They would be trading him for pennies on the dollar if they trade him now, after his worst season ever and getting older.
And you aren’t trading for picks when Giannis could ask out any moment.
There’s almost no chance at all he isn’t on the Bucks next year.
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He gowne, hey?
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Will Dame even be on the team next year?
if there are some personality issues between dame and the others, especially Giannis then no.
I'm not sure what docs style is, but unless the players are all in, he could be another past coach on the payroll. he's got a 58.8% winning record...not really a lot to brag about. I hate to rip an MU guy as I have nothing against him except the fact that i've continually scratched my head as his choice to be a head coach or GM in the league. he's a nice guy, but...
has any team had 3 past HC's on the payroll while paying another big bucks(no pun)?
they never should have gotten rid of jrue holiday
I would've tried to trade Middleton and some others for another stud, maybe dame, but NOT get rid of jrue.
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Adios Horst too, aina?
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Adios Horst too, aina?
bring back Herbie hey...even if they have to pull off a "weekend at bernies' with him, just prop him up on the sidelines like they do with ice cream breath
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bring back Herbie hey...even if they have to pull off a "weekend at bernies' with him, just prop him up on the sidelines like they do with ice cream breath
Zero need to add this to this topic.
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Zero need to add this to this topic.
Complete morons.
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Horst should be fired for hiring Doc Rivers. Wouldn’t let him coach a rec league team
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Rough night for Pat Beverly
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Question out of ignorance - if the Bucks had known they would acquire Dame later in the year, would/should they still have fired Bud? Bud's cardinal sin was that his playoff offenses were stagnant and bland, right? It seems Dame was brought in to fix that and that Bud is also a better defensive coach than either Griffin or Doc?
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Zero need to add this to this topic.
Yea thats as bad as any TDS-centric post others have rightfully complained about here. Why would we ever want to keep another thread unbothered?
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if there are some personality issues between dame and the others, especially Giannis then no.
I'm not sure what docs style is, but unless the players are all in, he could be another past coach on the payroll. he's got a 58.8% winning record...not really a lot to brag about. I hate to rip an MU guy as I have nothing against him except the fact that i've continually scratched my head as his choice to be a head coach or GM in the league. he's a nice guy, but...
has any team had 3 past HC's on the payroll while paying another big bucks(no pun)?
they never should have gotten rid of jrue holiday
I would've tried to trade Middleton and some others for another stud, maybe dame, but NOT get rid of jrue.
I mean, hard to trash Middleton after the series he just played. It also is a nice thought...if Khris was eligible to be traded last offseason.
Also, Doc isn't a good coach, but they didn't fire 2 coaches and sign a guy to a 4 year contract to pay a 4th coach all at once. And his winning percentage is certainly not what you'd point to to prove Doc isn't a good coach. That winning percentage is good for 36th best ever, and that includes guys like Joe Prunty, Adrian Griffin, and 14 other guys who coached 3 or fewer years in the NBA. It's the 6th best of any active coach, ahead of Erik Spoelstra.
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I mean, hard to trash Middleton after the series he just played. It also is a nice thought...if Khris was eligible to be traded last offseason.
Also, Doc isn't a good coach, but they didn't fire 2 coaches and sign a guy to a 4 year contract to pay a 4th coach all at once. And his winning percentage is certainly what you'd point to to prove Doc isn't a good coach. That winning percentage is good for 36th best ever, and that includes guys like Joe Prunty, Adrian Griffin, and 14 other guys who coached 3 or fewer years in the NBA. It's the 6th best of any active coach, ahead of Erik Spoelstra.
Khris’s mortal sin was getting paid
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And they tried to trade Middleton instead of Holliday and teams didn’t bite. Understandably so considering his recent injury history. Gotta have a willing partner.
And they had to do something. Running that same group back wasn’t going to work.
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They would be trading him for pennies on the dollar if they trade him now, after his worst season ever and getting older.
And you aren’t trading for picks when Giannis could ask out any moment.
There’s almost no chance at all he isn’t on the Bucks next year.
I don’t disagree with your reasoning, and after hearing Damian and Horst talk, I think there is a chance he stays.
But I’ll still be surprised.
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Rough night for Pat Beverly
Oh man, that's gonna cost him. A lot. Jae was in there trying to keep him from spending even more money.
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Ham to da Bucks?
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🙏
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That would be right up there with Pau going to the Lakers.
I don't think Silver is going to ramrod that trade.
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Ham to da Bucks?
Maybe, but it is clear the Lakers have solved their issues and should be odds on favorites to win the Championship next year. ::)
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Hope this Nuggets / Wolves series goes 7.
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Anthony Edwards is such a joy to watch.
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I remember laughing about the idea that teams would be wise to not take Edwards 1 because of his motor and that he doesn’t love the game. Just hilarious stuff.
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I remember laughing about the idea that teams would be wise to not take Edwards 1 because of his motor and that he doesn’t love the game. Just hilarious stuff.
Great job by Coach Crean getting him ready for the NBA. Can see why he went to Georgia and not Virginia
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Great job by Coach Crean getting him ready for the NBA. Can see why he went to Georgia and not Virginia
Yep. Had more than twice as many shots as any of.his teammates. Not the way the game should be played.
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Yep. Had more than twice as many shots as any of.his teammates. Not the way the game should be played.
Say what you will, but Tom Crean develops hall of famers. Edwards made a wise choice playing for Coach
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Game 2 will be very interesting. I think Denver's injuries are a big problem defensively on Edwards. Gordon can't guard him and KCP isn't right. I also think the Lakers did not prepare Denver for this team. They're much better than LA. Jokic is going to have to dominate G2. I would also probably hard double Ant and take my chances with his supporting cast.
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I mean, hard to trash Middleton after the series he just played. It also is a nice thought...if Khris was eligible to be traded last offseason.
Also, Doc isn't a good coach, but they didn't fire 2 coaches and sign a guy to a 4 year contract to pay a 4th coach all at once. And his winning percentage is certainly not what you'd point to to prove Doc isn't a good coach. That winning percentage is good for 36th best ever, and that includes guys like Joe Prunty, Adrian Griffin, and 14 other guys who coached 3 or fewer years in the NBA. It's the 6th best of any active coach, ahead of Erik Spoelstra.
his playoff record is 113-108, but he does have a ring. he seems like he has been given the reins of pretty decent teams with most of the pieces in place however. not sure if he's ever been tasked to build a team like San Antonio or Minnesota for example.
4 year contract is probably the going rate looking at 2 previous coaches with tire tracks across their bodies in less than a full season. budenholzer had a 70% reg. season record, 60% in the playoffs and is road kill, Adrian was hand picked by, ahem, the freak himself
as I said, nothing against doc, but he seems to be an expensive "plug-in" or next best up on the list. he just dsesn't seem to have the enthusiasm or fire in his belly to push a team to be better.
what coach could stand up to Giannis with respect, yet tell him to quit beating the chit out of his body going to the hole. Gianni's needs to learn how to pick his fights a little better so maybe he's around for the post season which is the real season
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I remember laughing about the idea that teams would be wise to not take Edwards 1 because of his motor and that he doesn’t love the game. Just hilarious stuff.
I guess I wasn’t paying attention at draft time 2020.
But I keep seeing that quote. Absolutely wild that was a scouting report
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These Nova guys on the Knicks are pretty good.
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There were 40 uncalled offensive fouls at least as bad as that one in this game.
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Brunson with his 4th straight 40 piece.
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Uhh.......can you say speed? Minny has Denver in a world of hurt.
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Phenomenal half by the Wolves.
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HOOOOOWWWWWWLLLLLL
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There were 40 uncalled offensive fouls at least as bad as that one in this game.
The officiating in tbe Knicks/Pacers game was pretty brutal. Especially down the stretch.
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This was another emphatic message from Minny. Just a total ass kicking, and Denver doesn't seem to have any answers.
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HOOOOOWWWWWWLLLLLL
don't you guys go skol or something? is that a call for another shot or a lip?
btw, I like that team
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Unlikely but interesting to see if NBA suspends Murray.
Also, Hart for the Knicks and his rebounding have been insanely impressively
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Unlikely but interesting to see if NBA suspends Murray.
Also, Hart for the Knicks and his rebounding have been insanely impressively
Beyond the friendship with Brunson, I said from the minute they made that trade that he was a PERFECT fit for a Thibs team like that. I went to a Knicks game with my BIL (a Knicks die hard) shortly after the trade and we spent a good chunk of the game marveling at Hart being EVERYWHERE. He's a glue guy but also fills up the stat sheet all over the place. He's become one of my favorite players in the league.
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Beyond the friendship with Brunson, I said from the minute they made that trade that he was a PERFECT fit for a Thibs team like that. I went to a Knicks game with my BIL (a Knicks die hard) shortly after the trade and we spent a good chunk of the game marveling at Hart being EVERYWHERE. He's a glue guy but also fills up the stat sheet all over the place. He's become one of my favorite players in the league.
It sucks the Knicks are kind of likable
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Beyond the friendship with Brunson, I said from the minute they made that trade that he was a PERFECT fit for a Thibs team like that. I went to a Knicks game with my BIL (a Knicks die hard) shortly after the trade and we spent a good chunk of the game marveling at Hart being EVERYWHERE. He's a glue guy but also fills up the stat sheet all over the place. He's become one of my favorite players in the league.
Yup and he’s really upped his offense in the playoffs too. Giving them a second efficient scorer to pick up whatever slack Brunson doesn’t on his own.
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It sucks the Knicks are kind of likable
Honestly I'm pulling for them. I know that Knicks fans are...New Yorkers...but they do know and love ball.
And I love the fact that they have that same, organ-based "Defense" cheer from way back in the day.
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Honestly I'm pulling for them. I know that Knicks fans are...New Yorkers...but they do know and love ball.
And I love the fact that they have that same, organ-based "Defense" cheer from way back in the day.
Also, anyone but Boston
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Honestly I'm pulling for them. I know that Knicks fans are...New Yorkers...but they do know and love ball.
And I love the fact that they have that same, organ-based "Defense" cheer from way back in the day.
I have called Knick fans organ-based, before. But I agree, I am rooting for the Knicks to make it out of the East.
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Honestly I'm pulling for them. I know that Knicks fans are...New Yorkers...but they do know and love ball.
And I love the fact that they have that same, organ-based "Defense" cheer from way back in the day.
Absolutely and they consistently draw. Sure its Manhattan and there are tourists, but its nearly always a packed engaged crowd. Ive went to 1-2 Knicks games a year at MSG since 2021 and its made no difference if they are awful or really fun like this year, its still a great atmosphere.
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I was a huge Knicks fan growing up - learned to love basketball watching Walt Frazier, Willis Reed, Dave DeBusschere, etc. When somebody today praises a team for playing unselfishly, moving the ball, and locking down on defense, I think back to those Knicks teams.
I haven't been a fan for a long time, but this Knicks team is fun to watch. Lots of good stories, led by the 2nd-round draft pick who I KNEW would be a very good NBA player but has exceeded my expectations. Hell, Brunson has probably exceeded even his own expectations!
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BTW, I loved Obi Toppin's between the leg dunk. I know "fundamentals" guys hate it, but it was fun.
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BTW, I loved Obi Toppin's between the leg dunk. I know "fundamentals" guys hate it, but it was fun.
Same. It was awesome. If you do that in a playoff game you better make it. And he did, so it was fun
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BTW, I loved Obi Toppin's between the leg dunk. I know "fundamentals" guys hate it, but it was fun.
Doing it against the Knicks back at MSG likely had no small part in the decision to do it. And frankly, I bet a lot of Knicks fans loved it given the result of the game and their affinity for him when he was a Knick.
I believe I mentioned it before, but sitting semi-near the Knicks bench at a game last winter, watching Toppin interact with not only fans around him, but more than a dozen assorted Knicks staffers and MSG employees, was one of the more wholesome NBA sights I'd seen in awhile. Time for everyone, unbridled enthusiasm and pleasantries, and the kind of person who fully realizes that little things can really matter. Very happy to see him having a resurgent sort of year in Indy.
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Beyond the friendship with Brunson, I said from the minute they made that trade that he was a PERFECT fit for a Thibs team like that. I went to a Knicks game with my BIL (a Knicks die hard) shortly after the trade and we spent a good chunk of the game marveling at Hart being EVERYWHERE. He's a glue guy but also fills up the stat sheet all over the place. He's become one of my favorite players in the league.
Josh Hart has been incredible during the playoffs. He gets every loose ball, rebounds like he's 6'10, and has scored as well including timely buckets.
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Anthony Edwards is such a joy to watch.
He is awesome. Hard to believe his college team was 5-13 and finished 13th in the SEC his only year in college.
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He is awesome. Hard to believe his college team was 5-13 and finished 13th in the SEC his only year in college.
I think the craziest thing is there was questions about his motor and if he even loved basketball at one point.
Think hes answered those
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Murray fined 100K but not suspended. Translation: We want to make sure Denver has a chance in this series.
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Murray fined 100K but not suspended. Translation: We want to make sure Denver has a chance in this series.
Nah. Edwards wouldn’t have been suspended if he did the same thing. They just want the best players on the floor and will avoid suspensions if it’s possible.
Same reason Portis avoided a suspension after throwing a punch against Indiana.
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Nah. Edwards wouldn’t have been suspended if he did the same thing. They just want the best players on the floor and will avoid suspensions if it’s possible.
Same reason Portis avoided a suspension after throwing a punch against Indiana.
I'm saying this as someone who likes Murray, Jokic, and Denver a lot. What would have happened if someone broke an ankle on that heat pack? And he threw a towel after that as well. 100K is on the super large scale for fines. He also didn't apologize as far as I know. What he did was ridiculous and warranted a 1 game suspension imo.
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I'm saying this as someone who likes Murray, Jokic, and Denver a lot. What would have happened if someone broke an ankle on that heat pack? And he threw a towel after that as well. 100K is on the super large scale for fines. He also didn't apologize as far as I know. What he did was ridiculous and warranted a 1 game suspension imo.
I don’t disagree at all. I think he should have been suspended.
I just disagree with the stance that the league was trying to help Denver by choosing not to suspend him.
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I don’t disagree at all. I think he should have been suspended.
I just disagree with the stance that the league was trying to help Denver by choosing not to suspend him.
Okay. Perhaps the reason is as you stated. It certainly makes G3 more interesting.
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Doncic can barely move out there.
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It sucks the Knicks are kind of likable
Wait until you meet their fans!
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Wait until you meet their fans!
If I can handle Marquette fans, I’m sure I could handle Knicks fans
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54 years ago today, Willis Reed limped onto the MSG court and inspired the Knicks to a Game 7 Finals victory over Wilt, West, Elgin and the Lakers.
A couple of things about that:
++ Reed made the first two baskets of the game to thunderous ovations but didn't score another point. It actually was Walt Frazier who carried the Knicks - 36 points, 19 assists, 7 rebounds.
++ Yes, the NBA Finals wrapped up on May 8. This season, the second round of the NBA playoffs have just started.
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They have only added one additional round to the playoffs since then. The major differences are that they used to start the season earlier, and the season was more "compact." (Less off days.)
I mean, look how many back to back games the Knicks had that year.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYK/1973_games.html
This year, NBA teams averaged 14 back to back games. I counted 14 on that Knicks schedule by the end of 1972.
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Yeah, once upon a time I think they played back-to-back-to-backs.
They moved through the season, and the playoffs. They didn't have to accommodate TV.
Not saying it was "better," just different.
It does make me appreciate even more that Wilt had seasons in which he played every minute - including at least 1 in which he averaged more than 48 minutes (due to OT games).
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What happened to Brunson?
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“Right sore fight” for Brunson is hilarious from the Knicks.
He clearly hurt his wrist.
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Indiana is self destructimg.
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Josh Hart rebound watch might be my new favorite hobby
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McConnell has a lot of game and plays his ass off.
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ESPN rated Brunson the 15th best player in the playoffs. LOL.
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The Knicks have a tremendous amount of grit. They honestly have no business winning this game or G1. Especially with their injuries. This amplifies how much of a disaster the Bucks were.
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ummmm it wasnt a double dribble
But how do you just erase a call???
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Crazy that Carlile sat McConnell from the 7:30 mark when it was a 2pt game. They probably still lose but that was seriously dumb.
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ummmm it wasnt a double dribble
But how do you just erase a call???
No idea.