Is a tectonic change coming to college sports?

[4everwarriors]

In da yeer 2525, will man still bee alive, hey,?

[Not A Serious Person]

there's a difference in being "plugged into OSU football" in terms of recruiting and lineups and being plugged into what the President, Board, and AD are discussing.

So you think Snook is an unreliable source?  Why?

[MU82]

In da yeer 2525, will man still bee alive, hey,?

In the year 3535, will tectonic change finally arrive?

In the year 4545, will Vander do a slap of five?

In the year 5555, will Wojo's powerpoint still jive?

In the year 6565, will Ners be dunkin' to cap a drive?

In the year 7510, will Ditka rule da world, my friend?

In the year 8510, will chicos' Scoopcation end?

In the year 9595, will Apple stock be a billion five?

Now it's been 10,000 years ... Deane has chugged 10 million beers ... TC cashes in on Wade after all these years ... For that's all he ever knew.

But if you're bored at night ... you can still go to Scoop for a good fight ... Derrick or Magic Dawson, hey? ... maybe it's only yesterday ...

[Not A Serious Person]

Most of those top  players weren't going to play in the Big 10 anymore, regardless. You think Justin Fields, Shaun Wade and Michah Parsons are sticking around for a spring season?
And where are they going to go en masse? Most ACC, Big 12 and SEC programs already are up against their scholarship limits.
We're talking about a handful of players at most here. Hardly a gutting.
And for the players who can leave, good for them.

Agree that the top players are not playing in the spring.

Remember that the schools that are not playing, spring sports five months ago, and B1G and PAC-12 football this fall, are allowed the expand their rosters and give one more year of eligibility.

So, if waivers are granted and immediate transfers are granted, I would not be surprised if they allow rosters to expand. 

If they do not expand rosters, then some redshirted marginal player is losing their scholarship literally hours before classes begin to make room for a coveted player from a conference that is not playing.

[Pakuni]

So you think Snook is an unreliable source?  Why?

Read some of his coverage of the Zach Smith saga.

[GooooMarquette]

Agree that the top players are not playing in the spring.

Remember that the schools that are not playing, spring sports five months ago, and B1G and PAC-12 football this fall, are allowed the expand their rosters and give one more year of eligibility.

So, if waivers are granted and immediate transfers are granted, I would not be surprised if they allow rosters to expand. 

If they do not expand rosters, then some redshirted marginal player is losing their scholarship literally hours before classes begin to make room for a coveted player from a conference that is not playing.

I could see how roster size might be an issue...but for marginal scholarship players, wouldn't the key would be increasing scholarship limit to keep them from being displaced at the last minute?

[bilsu]

I could see how roster size might be an issue...but for marginal scholarship players, wouldn't the key would be increasing scholarship limit to keep them from being displaced at the last minute?

I could see keeping the active players at 13 and then allowing an additional 2 players who must be be red-shirt. That would give a 15 player limit. 13 players normally do not play in games, so adding active players beyond that does not make much sense. Also, with a decrease in revenue, how many teams will want extra scholarships?

[Not A Serious Person]

I think he is right ... this is more than one random football season played in the fall or spring.


Mark Sanchez Implies Big Ten, Pac-12 Cancelling Football About More Than Just COVID-19 Safety
https://thespun.com/more/top-stories/mark-sanchez-big-ten-pac-12-covid-safety-money

“I’m not minimizing the effects of COVID or myocarditis, I’m not a doctor and I’m not a scientist,” Sanchez said. “This is a very serious virus, and there are medical complications associated with it and these kids are potentially at risk. College football, the way I’ve experienced and the way we watch it and analyze it is over. These are new types of players who have more information and realize the leverage they have.

“This is now going to become a money issue, a compensation issue. It is bigger, in some ways, than just the virus. I’m not minimizing the effect of the virus. I’m saying that the Big Ten and the Pac-12 needed time to regroup and figure out how they’re going to come back, rebut some of these demands by these players and parents about how these players are going to be protected. And more importantly, compensated.”

[Not A Serious Person]

Read some of his coverage of the Zach Smith saga.

I get it , you have personally decided that Ohio State is not trying to resurrect a fall season, so you troll and call the reporter that broke the story unreliable and a liar merely because he contradicts your belief.  I’ve seen this before, we all have.

He’s more  for you.  Go fire up your little google machine in your parents basement to see if they kicked some cats or watched porn so you can call him a liars too.

(To be clear, I think it is pretty credible that ADs at schools like Ohio State and Wisconsin are trying to put together a fall season. Yes, they might not succeed. But if they do, it changes a lot of things about college sports.  Hence the title of this thread, a tectonic change coming to college sports)

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Briggs: What if Ohio State football left the Big Ten?
https://www.toledoblade.com/sports/ohio-state/2020/08/22/briggs-what-if-ohio-state-football-left-the-big-ten/stories/20200822075

All 14 Big Ten athletic directors wanted to play football in the fall
https://www.si.com/college/cal/news/all-14-big-ten-athletic-directors-wanted-to-play-football-in-the-fall-Fr2yvUxC2UCM4ZyNTWT05A

[Not A Serious Person]

So Warren admitted what I have posted here ... he thought once the mighty Big Ten had spoken, they would be praised and all conferences would fall behind them.

Instead he created chaos and the movement to paying athletes is getting a catalyst.

Speaking of paying athletes... the other thread about the Big East bubble, doesn’t the entire idea of sequestering UNPAID COLLEGE STUDENTS so they can make institutions hundreds of millions strike anyone as “slimy?” Where’s Chicos to tell us how valuable a college scholarship is ... and how are they supposed to pursue this degree locked in an Omaha hotel for months?

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https://thespun.com/college-football/kevin-warren-botched-big-ten-football-decision

Friday, Teddy Greenstein of The Chicago Tribune joined Paul Finebaum on his radio show to share some insight into how [B1G commissioner Kevin] Warren is viewing his league’s decision. Greenstein told Finebaum that Warren essentially admitted to him that he “botched” the situation.

Here’s what Greenstein had to say:

“Well there’s definitely not a good reason because it was completely mishandled – it was botched. Kevin and I talked the other day and he agreed. He believes that when he came out with that decision, on August 11th, it was not going to be as heavily scrutinized as it was because, as he says, it was a decision that – I mean they’re giving up money, they’re not doing it for the money because they’re giving up hundreds of millions of dollars. So he thought the fact that they were doing it for the health, safety and wellbeing of the athletes was going to be enough.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I get it , you have personally decided that Ohio State is not trying to resurrect a fall season, so you troll and call the reporter that broke the story unreliable and a liar merely because he contradicts your belief.  I’ve seen this before, we all have.

He’s more  for you.  Go fire up your little google machine in your parents basement to see if they kicked some cats or watched porn so you can call him a liars too.

(To be clear, I think it is pretty credible that ADs at schools like Ohio State and Wisconsin are trying to put together a fall season. Yes, they might not succeed. But if they do, it changes a lot of things about college sports.  Hence the title of this thread, a tectonic change coming to college sports)

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Briggs: What if Ohio State football left the Big Ten?
https://www.toledoblade.com/sports/ohio-state/2020/08/22/briggs-what-if-ohio-state-football-left-the-big-ten/stories/20200822075

All 14 Big Ten athletic directors wanted to play football in the fall
https://www.si.com/college/cal/news/all-14-big-ten-athletic-directors-wanted-to-play-football-in-the-fall-Fr2yvUxC2UCM4ZyNTWT05A

No there isn't credible evidence this is happening.  The two articles you post above don't provide anything of the sort.  In fact the first basically said its not happening.

The parent protest in Chicago was largely ignored. 

Clearly Warren and the B10 handled the messaging wrong.  But that doesn't mean fall football is happening. 

[Pakuni]

I get it , you have personally decided that Ohio State is not trying to resurrect a fall season, so you troll and call the reporter that broke the story unreliable and a liar merely because he contradicts your belief.  I’ve seen this before, we all have.

He’s more  for you.  Go fire up your little google machine in your parents basement to see if they kicked some cats or watched porn so you can call him a liars too.

(To be clear, I think it is pretty credible that ADs at schools like Ohio State and Wisconsin are trying to put together a fall season. Yes, they might not succeed. But if they do, it changes a lot of things about college sports.  Hence the title of this thread, a tectonic change coming to college sports)

Oh, Heisey, this sadly is par for the course for you. You post something outlandish and false because you need attention and want to be Scoop's most scorching hot take artist, then you slowly walk it back, shift the goalposts and personally attack those who point out where you're wrong, while all the while claiming you were right all along.
Hence, "Nebraska, Iowa, Ohio State and Penn State are making plans to leave the Big 10!" becomes "The Big 10 is working to reverse their decision to cancel the fall season!" becomes "A cabal of six ADs are holding super-secret meetings to resurrect a fall season!" becomes "ADs really wanted to play football before the decision to cancel ... see, I was right from the start."

Whatever floats your boat, man.
As for Jeff Snook, I never called him anything. You asked about his reliability as a source. I suggested you read his coverage of the Zack Smith situation and decide for yourself.

[MU82]

“This is now going to become a money issue, a compensation issue. It is bigger, in some ways, than just the virus. I’m not minimizing the effect of the virus. I’m saying that the Big Ten and the Pac-12 needed time to regroup and figure out how they’re going to come back, rebut some of these demands by these players and parents about how these players are going to be protected. And more importantly, compensated.”

Good!

Several of us have been talking for more than a year now about this "tectonic change" being inevitable. The all-athletes-need-is-a-scholarship-so-eff-'em crowd here on Scoop whines about it constantly, but the rest of us say, "Whine if you want to, but the change is coming ... and you won't be able to do a thing about it."

That Mark Sanchez uses the coronavirus as a backdrop to say what we've been saying for a year+ ... sure, it's always nice to hear others say it, too. But we didn't need ito hear it from Mark Sanchez to know it's logical, reasonable, justified and inevitable.

Good for these student-athletes taking charge and trying to affect the tectonic change we all know is coming.

As for the rest of it -- the Big 14 revolting to do whatever -- we'll see.

[warriorchick]

This is hilarious (and accurate):

https://twitter.com/ChattTennSports/status/1295543799654096896

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

This is hilarious (and accurate):

https://twitter.com/ChattTennSports/status/1295543799654096896

The best part was "I have to check with Texas first but assuming that goes okay,  I'm in"

[vogue65]

A lot of people around here sound like they should have gone to a big time football university.

The Division III model is no one year scholarships.  Based on need, the grant in aid is for four years whether or not the student athelete even plays.  Education is the first order of business.  Playing football is for the love of the game.  Yes, there are kids who love to play the game.

No loss of schlorship/grant for any reason except misbehavior or academic reasons.

Some of the 4 year grants are worth $25,000 a year, $100,000, which is real money in my book and in most cases a good education with a worthwhile diploma.

Which makes big time college football players, in my view, a slave system, a real con job.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

A lot of people around here sound like they should have gone to a big time football university.

The Division III model is no one year scholarships.  Based on need, the grant in aid is for four years whether or not the student athelete even plays.  Education is the first order of business.  Playing football is for the love of the game.  Yes, there are kids who love to play the game.

No loss of schlorship/grant for any reason except misbehavior or academic reasons.

Some of the 4 year grants are worth $25,000 a year, $100,000, which is real money in my book and in most cases a good education with a worthwhile diploma.

Which makes big time college football players, in my view, a slave system, a real con job.

There are no D3 athletic grants-in-aid.  They only give out academic scholarships and financial aid awards.  So yeah, the scholarship is four years because it isn't tied to football participation.

Yes.  "Big time college football players" are part of a "slave system" that provides them with a free education in return for playing a sport.  Do you realize how dumb that sounds?

[vogue65]

There are no D3 athletic grants-in-aid.  They only give out academic scholarships and financial aid awards.  So yeah, the scholarship is four years because it isn't tied to football participation.

Yes.  "Big time college football players" are part of a "slave system" that provides them with a free education in return for playing a sport.  Do you realize how dumb that sounds?

Did I say athletic grants in aid?

The free education in Big time C.F.  is a one year at a time deal.  If you get injured, are having trouble with course work, recruted over, or some coach doesn't like you,  your gone.  Thanks for my free education.

Tectonic is an understatement.

Let's face it, most of the players are like the old taxi squad in the NFL.

[MU82]

This is hilarious (and accurate):

https://twitter.com/ChattTennSports/status/1295543799654096896

That was wonderful. Thanks for posting.

[WhiteTrash]

Which makes big time college football players, in my view, a slave system, a real con job.

Nice job diminishing actual slavery and the people who suffered from it.

[MU82]

Nice job diminishing actual slavery and the people who suffered from it.

True. It is less slavery than it is indentured servitude.

[WhiteTrash]

True. It is less slavery than it is indentured servitude.

Possibly, but also a life 99% of college students would choose.

[HutchwasClutch]

True. It is less slavery than it is indentured servitude.

If that’s your attitude, why do you watch, follow, and support it? 

But we all know, you’re one of the high minded and wonderful people on this board. Anybody can just ask you if they doubt that for a moment. 

[Uncle Rico]

If that’s your attitude, why do you watch, follow, and support it? 

But we all know, you’re one of the high minded and wonderful people on this board. Anybody can just ask you if they doubt that for a moment.

You can support your alma mater and still recognize the inequalities of the system

[GooooMarquette]

True. It is less slavery than it is indentured servitude.

I won't dispute that college sports is messed up, but that analogy is still quite a ways off. Most indentured servants in the US got passage to America, room and board, and nothing more. The 'room and board' was almost certainly $hit compared to the luxurious surroundings and nutritious food of a high-D1 athletic dorm. And I'd bet most indentured servants would have given their left nut for an education that would have given them a chance for a better life when the indenture expired.

Kinda like:

'Fair system' > current college sports system >>>>> indentured servitude >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slavery.