2010 Pre-season Poll

[nyg]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/rankings?pollId=2

Poll is out and needless to say, not one vote for MU. 

[Hards Alumni]

nor should there be.

6 Big East teams

5 Big Ten teams

3 Big 12 teams

4 ACC teams

3 SEC teams

2 PAC 10 teams

1 Horizon team

1 A10 team

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How is Syracuse in the top 25?

[Hards Alumni]

How is Syracuse in the top 25?

coaches poll.

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ahhh if you look down at the bottom you see Jim Boeheim as one of the voters...
How does one become a registered voter?

[dsfire]

Is the Pac-10 really down that much this year?

[ChicosBailBonds]

No Marquette, no UCLA.  It's been awhile since those two teams didn't appear in the pre-season top 25.

[Hards Alumni]

please see other thread.

[esotericmindguy]

The Big Ten, in the past three years, has fewer victories in the men's tournament (17-16 record) than any of the six BCS conferences. And the league has had only one team in that span get past the third round (Ohio State in 2006) -- also the fewest among the BCS leagues; the Big East, Pac-10 and Big 12 have each had four teams get past the third round.  

Yet they get 5 teams in the preseason top 25....this is important because it effects RPI and will overinflate the Big Ten's strength.  Therefore once they get into conference they'll likely still have 5 teams ranked because of the cupcakes and send 6 or 7 to the tourney again to get crushed.  

[tower912]

esoteric, I am no fan of the B10, but I do believe you need to check your data.   Pretty sure that the Spartans made it to the finals last year where they got rolled by UNC.

[chapman]

Even Rob Jeter gets to vote.

Butler overranked as usual.  Thankfully their nonconference schedule is somewhat challenging this year and they can prove their worth, though I'm sure they will still only drop a couple of spots following their 2-3 losses against terrible Horizon teams.  

Big Ten is going to be tough this year.  All their teams in the poll to deserve their ranking.  A lot of returning talent and that's the key.

Might be tough for the Badgers this year.  You have 5 teams in the top 18 while they have no votes, and sorry to say but getting 7 teams out of 11 in the tournament is a stretch, 8 will never happen.  We've seen the same thing happen in the Big East, and the talk of 9 or 10 teams in the tournament never materialized once conference season hit and they beat each other up.  Bottom line is if they don't prove to be better than any of the 5 teams that are currently positioned in the top 18 as well as the other unranked teams the best scenario is to squeeze in as a 12 seed again.

[ChicosBailBonds]

The Big Ten will be the number 1 conference this year.

[mugrad99]

Butler overranked as usual.  

Could not disagree more. Everyone is back and Hayward had a dynamite summer playing on a national team. Some are saying he and Howard are future first rounders. This team has a lot of talent.

[esotericmindguy]

esoteric, I am no fan of the B10, but I do believe you need to check your data.   Pretty sure that the Spartans made it to the finals last year where they got rolled by UNC.

Yeah sorry, missed them.

[jmayer1]

Yet they get 5 teams in the preseason top 25....this is important because it effects RPI and will overinflate the Big Ten's strength.  Therefore once they get into conference they'll likely still have 5 teams ranked because of the cupcakes and send 6 or 7 to the tourney again to get crushed.  

Rankings have no effect on RPI.  The formula is quite simple:

RPI = (Winning % * .25) + (Opponents' Winning % * .50) + (Opponents' Opponents' Winning % * .25)

However, in compupting a team's winning % (not opponents' or opponenents' opponents') a home win counts as only .6 wins while an away win counts as 1.4 wins, with neutral being 1.  Conversely, a home loss counts as 1.4 losses, a road loss counts as .6 losses, and a neutral court loss is 1.  You will see some difference between various RPIs during the season if the sources have differences considering which games are road/home/neutral (ie-MU vs Tenn in Nashville, some consider that neutral while some say home vs road).

[DJO's Pump Fake]

The Big Ten will be the number 1 conference this year.

Haha-made ma laugh a bit

[chapman]

Could not disagree more. Everyone is back and Hayward had a dynamite summer playing on a national team. Some are saying he and Howard are future first rounders. This team has a lot of talent.

They're still back from a team that lost three games in the Horizon League and barely deserved a nine seed.  I'm tired of seeing them as a top 15 staple every year based on two or three decent early season wins when they drop at least as many against terrible teams.  As I said, we'll see where they stand once their non-conference schedule is over.  With Minnesota, Georgetown, Ohio State, Xavier, and a potential matchup with Clemson or WVU they will get a chance to earn their ranking.  After all, the pollsters believe they're better than five of those six teams.  I think they're better than one or two.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Haha-made ma laugh a bit

Not trying to be funny, they are loaded this year. 

[chapman]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/polls/ap

AP Poll out as well.  6 Big Ten teams make this one.  5 Big East.

[dsfire]

They're still back from a team that lost three games in the Horizon League and barely deserved a nine seed.  I'm tired of seeing them as a top 15 staple every year based on two or three decent early season wins when they drop at least as many against terrible teams.  As I said, we'll see where they stand once their non-conference schedule is over.  With Minnesota, Georgetown, Ohio State, Xavier, and a potential matchup with Clemson or WVU they will get a chance to earn their ranking.  After all, the pollsters believe they're better than five of those six teams.  I think they're better than one or two.

They may not live up to their preseason ranking, but it's not ridiculous to put a team that was top 25 for most of last year starting 3 freshmen, a sophomore and a junior and really lost no one.

[dsfire]

Might be tough for the Badgers this year.  You have 5 teams in the top 18 while they have no votes, and sorry to say but getting 7 teams out of 11 in the tournament is a stretch, 8 will never happen.  We've seen the same thing happen in the Big East, and the talk of 9 or 10 teams in the tournament never materialized once conference season hit and they beat each other up.  Bottom line is if they don't prove to be better than any of the 5 teams that are currently positioned in the top 18 as well as the other unranked teams the best scenario is to squeeze in as a 12 seed again.

Honestly, if Providence won one or two more non-conference games last year and Georgetown or Notre Dame hadn't choked against some of the non-NCAA teams during conference play last year, the BE could've sent 9-10 teams.  The middle of the conference didn't sag just because the top of the conference beat up on them, it was also failing to capitalize on opportunities when they had them.

Agree that 8 from the Big 10 would really be a stretch - they really squeezed to get 7 in last year, and most of those teams had some decent quality wins in non-conference.  They could move their seeds up (and should this year) but it'd be hard to get more in, and that's considering Penn State won the NIT last year.

[4everwarriors]

Haven't checked the polls, but is IU ranked?

[dsfire]

Haven't checked the polls, but is IU ranked?

Looks like Big Ten media day is today, but they should be top ten in their conference.

[Chili]

They may not live up to their preseason ranking, but it's not ridiculous to put a team that was top 25 for most of last year starting 3 freshmen, a sophomore and a junior and really lost no one.

Butler is a legit top 10 team this year. They will do some damage.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Haven't checked the polls, but is IU ranked?

Nope....neither is all-world 200 straight appearances coached by God...UW-Madison.