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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on September 23, 2019, 01:26:44 PM
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Are you more optimistic or pessimistic than you were during Hausermania?
I am more optimistic. (by nature) Considering where the team was, considering that Ike will never play, I am actually looking forward with anticipation to the 19-20 team.
Three solid post players. It will be interesting to see how Wojo adapts his offense to playing two bigs at the same time.
Depth and size at guard. Koby, Greg, Markus, Sacar, Dexter, Symir.
Brendan Bailey will have shaken off the rust. Coming out of high school, BB was rated about the same as the now departed Sam. Sam turned out to be a wonderful overachieving gamer.... right until he left. With more minutes available and an offseason spent in the gym and weight room, I think BB could make a giant leap.
Team cohesiveness: Everybody who is back wants to be back. I don't anticipate factions this year.
Chip on the shoulder: The team will want to prove itself and give a metaphorical finger to those who left.
Barring a significant injury to a linchpin player, I anticipate a record similar to last year. But, I said that in April, too. I just say it with more confidence now.
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Neutral to slightly pessimistic. But hopeful and definitely in the category of wanting this season to go well for Wojos sake. Would have been nice to have Sam.
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I think we will end up doing fine. Not stellar. Not awful. Finish toward the top of the conference and a win in the NCAA tournament.
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I think we will end up doing fine. Not stellar. Not awful. Finish toward the top of the conference and a win in the NCAA tournament.
I'd take this. Let's get a win in the tournament. Maybe some growing pains early. Just finish on a high note.
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Baileys dad took a huge jump his sophomore year. Hoping for the same
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My thoughts waver between 2016 Oklahoma and 2019 Wisconsin.
2016 Oklahoma was lead by a high usage senior guard who came back to school and made himself into a lottery pick. The rest of the team deferred to said senior guard and embraced their roles. That team was a great shooting team, I have my doubts this Marquette team can be that good offensively but that’s the absolute ceiling IMO.
2019 Wisconsin was lead by a high usage senior forward who stayed in school to develop and ended up in Europe. The rest of the team was try hard and won some games but inherently flawed and without a real, consistent second option. They were a 5-seed but severely flawed and primed to get buried.
My hunch is, this team is somewhere and likely a 7-9 seed type squad that maybe gets inflated seeding with some nice resume wins.
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I am less optimistic than I was two months ago. Coincides with the previews on this site about our future opponents. When I start looking at the strength of our opponents, I become more realistic about things not turning out the way I want. As far as Eke, I never saw him as a contributor. I did not see how he would be able to contribute very much after not playing for two years. I was disappointed that his career ended, but this had no effect on my outlook. Maybe wishful thinking on my part, but my prediction is that Baily enters the 2020 draft. We will be a very good team, if this prediction is correct. We will not be very good, if Baily does not take a big leap. If we are not good, I will be rooting for Markus to put up 30 points a game and reach the 3000 point plateau.
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Bailey would have to take an incredible leap to be good enough to declare for the draft. I just don't see it, even in my most optimistic of projections.
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4-6 seed. Not as good as if everyone had stayed, but still a solid season. Very different system.
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Went out for dinner with another couple from Marquette last night. We all are very much looking forward to this season getting going. I think several players will improve a lot, including Markus. I also think Wojo will continue to improve as a coach. I'm heartened by the recruiting successes so far, too.
Very interested to see how fast we will play this season. I hope very fast because we are causing a lot of turnovers and running. I also hope a couple of guys who right now aren't considered "shooters" emerge to be dependable 3-point threats, kind of like Cain did the second half of his freshman season and Anim did last year.
Overall: optimistic, and expecting results fairly similar to last season's.
We are Marquette!
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They'll be pretty easy to guard in the halfcourt, especially if they try playing two true posts together. Just not enough reliable outside shooting.
I think 7-10 seed sounds right, but unfortunately I think Markus exits without a NCAA win.
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Optimistic. Thinking 3-5 seed with length, athleticism, experience, and stout D. The type of team that outperforms in non-con and wins some squeakers in the tourney to make a nice run. Markus needs to stay healthy.
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Cautiously optimistic. The caution comes from the need for Wojo to meld this talent into a different style from last year that still can win. I think he has enough pieces to be successful this year. I'm hopeful that he's up to the challenge. I'm not 100% sure he is.
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McEwen is going to be a stud. Markus and Wojo will both continue to mature. 4-5 seed and a trip to the sweet 16. Maybe a little glass half full, but what the hell.
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Cautiously optimistic. The caution comes from the need for Wojo to meld this talent into a different style from last year that still can win. I think he has enough pieces to be successful this year. I'm hopeful that he's up to the challenge. I'm not 100% sure he is.
Wojo seems to give some guys a long leash and others the short one. If a player makes a mistake I hope he doesn't pull him out right away but lets him play through it or if he does pull him out he puts him back in the game and not just ride the pine.
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This season is one for the first time in a very long time, I just don't have my pulse on this team. In the past it's always been fairly easy to know if they were going to be good or bad. My expectations are low this year, mostly because I just don't know what to expect. I think this team perhaps more then any other in recent memory has a wide range of possible outcomes. On one hand, I could see them not being much more than a .500 team overall. On the other hand, I could see them being as high as maybe a 5 seed in the NCAA's.
I don't think they will be as bad as a slightly above .500 team for the year, nor do I think they will be as good as a 5 seed in the NCAA's. I'm not even totally sure if they will make the NCAA's. I THINK they probably will/should, but I could see them not making it as well. So the end result will likely be somewhere in between. I just don't see a lot of talent. I see some, for sure, but most of what i see are a bunch of guys that probably should be role players on a very good team, that will now be thrust into key roles and ironically it will be their performances that will likely decide how good this team can/will be.
I think they will be more athletic for sure, and i understand why that excites most people. However, being more athletic doesn't = talent. You can be really athletic and not all that talented, and you can be really talented and not all that athletic. For me, I'd take the talent over the athleticism any day of the week, every single time.
The lack of outside shooting concerns me. They will play differently, no doubt about that, and in order for them to reach their ceiling this year(whatever it is), guys like Bailey, Cain and Elliott are going to have to REALLY step up. Bailey I think has a lot of potential...Cain and Elliott, I'm honestly not sure if they will get MUCH better than what they are now, and if MU wants to have a very good season, would probably require them to do things they aren't capable of doing consistently.
We'll see how it all plays out this year. here's hoping to be very surprised as the season unfolds.
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We should review these comments at the end of the season and see how close we were to reality.
Having said that, before the H2's left we were viewed as the number 7 team by CBS and a serious Big Dance contender. Do we have that potential? Staying even with last year is a lateral shuffle, not progress. So the real question is, will we improve from last year? Believe that is the yardstick we should be using to measure success this year.
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Positives: Inside defense and rebounding, perimeter defense, Markus Howard unlimited range and scoring ability.
Question marks: Players who can space the floor/help carry the scoring load. Markus holding up all season to the physical pounding he'll take
Outcome#1: Markus is a 1st team AA, one or two others (Koby, BB, Sacar, Theo, Ed?) step up and MU battles for a Big East title and into the second weekend of the tournament.
Outcome #2: Markus struggles with injuries and/or little help from his mates. Up and down season, MU team bubble again.
Door #1 is much more fun so let's go with it.
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We are going to be more athletic and have better team chemistry . I believe this team will be stronger than last year. Our record may not show it because the Big East will also be stronger.
I believe the team will finish 3rd in The Big East, Make the Big East tournament final and make it to the second weekend of the NCAA tournament.
We have good depth at all positions and believe our athleticism will make us a very formidable defense squad.
Markus will be a first team All American and have a season for the ages.
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This season is one for the first time in a very long time, I just don't have my pulse on this team. In the past it's always been fairly easy to know if they were going to be good or bad. My expectations are low this year, mostly because I just don't know what to expect. I think this team perhaps more then any other in recent memory has a wide range of possible outcomes. On one hand, I could see them not being much more than a .500 team overall. On the other hand, I could see them being as high as maybe a 5 seed in the NCAA's.
I don't think they will be as bad as a slightly above .500 team for the year, nor do I think they will be as good as a 5 seed in the NCAA's. I'm not even totally sure if they will make the NCAA's. I THINK they probably will/should, but I could see them not making it as well. So the end result will likely be somewhere in between. I just don't see a lot of talent. I see some, for sure, but most of what i see are a bunch of guys that probably should be role players on a very good team, that will now be thrust into key roles and ironically it will be their performances that will likely decide how good this team can/will be.
I think they will be more athletic for sure, and i understand why that excites most people. However, being more athletic doesn't = talent. You can be really athletic and not all that talented, and you can be really talented and not all that athletic. For me, I'd take the talent over the athleticism any day of the week, every single time.
The lack of outside shooting concerns me. They will play differently, no doubt about that, and in order for them to reach their ceiling this year(whatever it is), guys like Bailey, Cain and Elliott are going to have to REALLY step up. Bailey I think has a lot of potential...Cain and Elliott, I'm honestly not sure if they will get MUCH better than what they are now, and if MU wants to have a very good season, would probably require them to do things they aren't capable of doing consistently.
We'll see how it all plays out this year. here's hoping to be very surprised as the season unfolds.
Why do you say 'lack of 3 pt shooting'? Markus. Koby shot 40% from 3 as a frosh and fell off as a sophomore as he had to try to do everything. Sacar shot 39%. Cain shot 47% as a freshman. Bailey was a shooter in high school, a summer in the gym and weight room should return him to that. Greg will have two hands. Symir and Dexter are wild cards. This team will not have the Hausers, but I anticipate the 3 pt shooting percentage for the team to remain in the mid to high 30's. With more drive and dish types on the floor, you will have more plenty of catch and step into it attempts.
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We win it all.
Post of the year.
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We win it all.
Post of the year.
If "A" then definitely "B".
Nicely done, chili.
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I am less optimistic.
Someone needs to step up and be Robin to Markus’ Batman. Who will that be? Bailey? Would require a huge step from last year. Koby? Has the experience but a big jump in competition. Theo? Can he stay on the floor long enough to make an impact? GE? Hasn’t played a game in 18 months.
Until someone becomes a threat, MH will be hounded and my fear is that he will feel he needs to get his and force some shots. Can he do a better job of not forcing and letting others get involved.
D will definitely be much better and maybe that will be our saving grace.
I see an 4-6 finish in the BE and an 8-11 seed and being on the bubble all year.
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Herman, I was with you until you got to the second weekend.
Woj's NCAA record is abysmal. Second weekend would be a mitzvah.
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I'm optimistic and very excited for this season.
Yes, the team completely fell apart down the stretch. Yes, the Hausers took their incredible shooting skills elsewhere. Yes, the Big East will be tougher.
But Marquette returns everyone else who saw significant minutes. And gained far more talent and depth in the backcourt -- a clear weakness last season -- with the addition of big, physical and athletic guards in Koby, Symir and Dexter. Greg will hopefully be in the mix, as well. That should translate into a big upgrade for our perimeter defense, ball handling and ability to drive from the perimeter. We'll see what the outside shooting is like.
Jayce is a plus defender, rebounder and shot blocker compared to the Hausers. And I like what I've seen of his post-up game. He's a strong presence in the lane on both ends.
Beyond the newcomers, we should see improvement from the returning players (Markus, Sacar, Theo, Ed, Brendan and Jamal). I know I won't be surprised if Markus finds another level to his game. Theo and Brendan, in particular, have only begun to tap their potential.
Of course there are question marks and concerns. But this should be Wojo's most balanced, athletic, experienced (four seniors, seven upperclassmen), talented and versatile team to date. If the pieces come together, I think MU can make another run at a Big East title and a 4 seed or better. I expect a step forward -- not a step back.
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The success or failure of this season will revolve around the guards not named Markus. I'll believe that the "twin towers" look will work when I see it, and we're down two front court players from last year (JJ is an upgrade from Matt, but all other newcomer/returners from injury add to a formerly thin backcourt). I still anticipate seeing quite a few 4 guard sets, and until someone proves they can run point (fingers crossed that between Koby, Symir, Greg and Dex someone will step up) we'll see a lot of the same as last year. Probably a drop off in offense with H bros gone, but an uptick in D, due to increased length/athleticism.
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A deeper, more athletic backcourt and uptick in D could give Marquette a real transition game. More blocked shots, steals, stops and defensive rebounds means more opportunities for Koby, Brendan and company to get down court and aggressively drive the lane. Fewer threes, most likely -- but possibly more dunks, layups and trips to the free throw line.
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Why do you say 'lack of 3 pt shooting'? Markus. Koby shot 40% from 3 as a frosh and fell off as a sophomore as he had to try to do everything. Sacar shot 39%. Cain shot 47% as a freshman. Bailey was a shooter in high school, a summer in the gym and weight room should return him to that. Greg will have two hands. Symir and Dexter are wild cards. This team will not have the Hausers, but I anticipate the 3 pt shooting percentage for the team to remain in the mid to high 30's. With more drive and dish types on the floor, you will have more plenty of catch and step into it attempts.
I share guru's concern about lack of 3-point shooting. Unless a team has ridiculous talent, it's largely a 3-point shooting game right now. We have exactly one proven 3-point threat, and if I were to guess I'd say he just might be the focus of every defense we play.
I am hopeful about all the players you named, and I can understand why an argument can be made about several of them being able to hit 3-pointers this season. But not a single one of them has proven to be any kind of consistent 3-point threat yet in his career.
I absolutely would love you to be right about mid to high 30s. If it's high 30s, I think it's very realistic that we win the Big East, because we have other ingredients necessary for a fine team.
A deeper, more athletic backcourt and uptick in D could give Marquette a real transition game. More blocked shots, steals, stops and defensive rebounds means more opportunities for Koby, Brendan and company to get down court and aggressively drive the lane. Fewer threes, most likely -- but possibly more dunks, layups and trips to the free throw line.
Totally agree, M92. It would be huge if we could get several easy buckets a game. We rarely got any last season.
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I'm optimistic and very excited for this season.
Yes, the team completely fell apart down the stretch. Yes, the Hausers took their incredible shooting skills elsewhere. Yes, the Big East will be tougher.
But Marquette returns everyone else who saw significant minutes. And gained far more talent and depth in the backcourt -- a clear weakness last season -- with the addition of big, physical and athletic guards in Koby, Symir and Dexter. Greg will hopefully be in the mix, as well. That should translate into a big upgrade for our perimeter defense, ball handling and ability to drive from the perimeter. We'll see what the outside shooting is like.
Jayce is a plus defender, rebounder and shot blocker compared to the Hausers. And I like what I've seen of his post-up game. He's a strong presence in the lane on both ends.
Beyond the newcomers, we should see improvement from the returning players (Markus, Sacar, Theo, Ed, Brendan and Jamal). I know I won't be surprised if Markus finds another level to his game. Theo and Brendan, in particular, have only begun to tap their potential.
Of course there are question marks and concerns. But this should be Wojo's most balanced, athletic, experienced (four seniors, seven upperclassmen), talented and versatile team to date. If the pieces come together, I think MU can make another run at a Big East title and a 4 seed or better. I expect a step forward -- not a step back.
Now, I'm not asking this in any way to be argumentative or anything else, but as far as the highlighted above goes..If they do take a step back, having, as you said "the most balanced, experienced, athletic talented and versatile team to date". Then do questions need to be asked, or?? Where do YOU come down on this??
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A little less optimistic than Brother Real but nonetheless about the coming season. Key issues:
1) Culture -- Over the last five years, there have been more than a few times that "Hero Ball" has become a modus operandi. If we default to Hero Ball, we're doomed. But if the team culture prevails and our team gels, we're a 24 win team with options for a 2 or 3 seed in the NCAA tournament.
2) Defense -- We have build on last year's success. We were really a lot better in 2018-2019 than in the previous three years. Our guys are "getting it." Period.
3) Anger -- Many people were let down after the Murray State embarrassment. And with Hausershima, our guys were clearly let down. A team is a team is a team. When the Brothers Hauser left, it was a slap in the face of everything this group had been playing for during the past few years. Hopefully this translates into a chip or some anger that basically is the on-the-court version of, "screw you bas*ards, we didn't need you anyway."
We'll know how good this team is by January 8. They have a tough early stretch in conference and their pre-conference slate will not be easy. I'm hoping we win about 22-25 games this year and are at a minimum a 4 seed. These guys have been working and growing for some time and I think we have more depth this year than for many years past.
It mostly depends on intangibles -- culture and team!!
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We win it all.
Post of the year.
Define "it"?
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Now, I'm not asking this in any way to be argumentative or anything else, but as far as the highlighted above goes..If they do take a step back, having, as you said "the most balanced, experienced, athletic talented and versatile team to date". Then do questions need to be asked, or?? Where do YOU come down on this??
This team hasn't played a minute together yet in a regular season game. My expectations are based on admittedly limited information.
I've seen Koby, for instance, in all of four open practices (three last season) and brief footage from this summer's overseas trip (against mostly low-level competition) -- plus highlights from his freshman and sophomore seasons at Utah State (in a conference ranked below the Atlantic 10). I've also heard reports that he was the third best player in practice last season after Markus and Sam.
Koby looks like the real deal to me. NBA body, strong and quick, plays aggressive but with good body control on offense, physical defender. But I'm no college scout -- and the few opportunities I've had to see him play aren't much to go on. Can he take on some of the ball handling duties, like I hoped Joseph Chartouny would last season? Can he create his own offense in the Big East? Can he hit 35%+ from outside the arc?
There are just as many question marks when it comes to the rest of the team. Will Sacar step up as a senior? Will Theo and Brendan continue to improve? Who else can provide consistent perimeter shooting? Can Greg stay healthy? How much will Symir and Dexter contribute as freshmen? Can Wojo and the coaching staff retool the offense to make the most of their talent?
T-Rank projects Marquette as the 30th best team in the country this season. That would be good enough for an NCAA bid with a seed somewhere in the 7 or 8 range. Others pick Marquette to finish in the bottom half of the Big East.
With so many unknowns, I'm not going to play the "what if" game; I see no point in speculating about what happens after the season before Marquette has even started official practices. I'm an optimist, remember?
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I think we will have a really nice season. Agree BE will be much tougher. Many lament the loss of the Hausers, Sam hurt us in many areas as much as he helped us. Jeoy mostly hurt us.
Koby replaces sam
BB better than joey
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Wojo is still at the helm.
Has he once, in 5 years, made a team more than the sum of its parts?
Why would this year be different?
I think we make the tourney (in the 7 to 10 seed range). Lose game 1 and then come back hear to here the slurpers talk about how “2 NCAAs in a row is progress!” and “help is on the way with the 2020 class!”
But the again, I’m a guy that likes to either be right or pleasantly surprised.
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With so many unknowns, I'm not going to play the "what if" game; I see no point in speculating about what happens after the season before Marquette has even started official practices. I'm an optimist, remember?
This is where I stand, too. I see no reason on Sept. 23 to say what we'll think of so-and-so if such-and-such is the case next March 23.
Sam hurt us in many areas as much as he helped us.
This is incorrect.
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6-7 seed
One NCAA win, probably due to good matchups against the opponent
Markus NOT NPOY.
The Hauser's shooting and Sam's reliability prove difficult to replace.
Somebody surprises us.
Somebody leaves.
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5th in the BE. 9 seed. Lose in the 1st round.
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Defense will be better with the addition of another shot blocker in the middle. The twin towers idea is dumb for many reasons. Spacing will be terrible. It takes away the biggest advantage of having two bigs: you can have one on the floor when the other subs out. Morrow is capable as a second big. I think you would be able to switch more on the perimeter with the other guys. Like a 2017 Gonzaga.
On offense, I’d love to see more motion sets. I’d like to see Markus how Purdue used Carsen Edwards last year, let him get more shots within the offense, rather then creating.
Our defense should be better. The offense will have one of the greatest scorers in MU history. Top 3 in BE, 6-9 seed, much like last season actually.
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Our defense should be stellar with real size and athleticism and better depth in the front court. Depth and greatly improved length in the back court should be a strength as opposed to an Achilles heel. As other have said, improved defense should lead to break outs and fast break opportunities which we have not seen in a while.
Offense is tougher to project as this is where we really have to play differently. Not sure if we’ll be able to go with the two bigs approach...will believe it when I see it...can any of them hit a jump shot. If we can find a couple of reliable deep threats then drives, dump offs to cutters and bigs should all be available and we could be very dangerous and far more balanced on offense. It will come down to whether we can hit from outside (other than Markus) at a decent clip. I hope with more creators on offense, and an off-season of work, that Markus will be better at finding the open man.
Like Tower, I am an optimist by nature and when the Hausers bolted I felt that it was an opportunity to change how we play and could be a blessing in disguise. Removing the two least athletic players on the team should help us improve in some areas while making us worse in others. Will the improved areas outweigh the areas where we might be worse? We’ll see.
Top 4 Big East
Top 25 most of the year
4-6 seed in Tourney, win a least one game
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Fans are going to be amazed with Dexter and Symir!
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I kind of think there's no middle ground with this team. We have top 20 talent this year....but the pieces will require Wojo to make a major departure from his usual offensive gameplan. If he figures out the right offensive strategy to make the pieces fit together, I think we are a top 5 seed and in the the top 20 most of the season. If doesn't figure it out, then I could see us missing the tournament all together and asking some really tough questions about who are coach is next season.
I don't share the same concern about outside shooting as others. The average team 3P% is around 34-35%. We've got 5 guys on the roster who have all had seasons where they finished better than that plus two freshmen with range on their shot and Bailey who was recruited with a reputation as a shooter. We've been spoiled the last three years, we won't be spoiled this year. But we don't need to be spoiled to be an average to above average 3P shooting team.
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We'll finish better than last year.
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I think sacar finally averages double figures, Koby averages the 14.9 Sam did. Bailey picks up the rest of the scoring sacar can't from Joey being gone.
I don't like the twin towers idea much unless Jayce or Morrow suddenly show they can hit at least a pau gasol mid range shot.
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I think this will be somewhat a reverse of 2017, with one major difference. Great defense, mediocre offense. I think a top 10-15 defense shouldn't just be possible but expected. We have the same guys that led our defensive improvement last year but without the worst defender on the team. Adding Jayce means we can absorb more fouls in the middle and not lose the shot blocking threat when Theo goes out.
Offensively, we don't have the options of last year, but we do have Markus. He is one of the most dynamic, effective scorers in the game. Against similarly defense oriented, offensively challenged teams (Purdue, Wisconsin) I feel confident because we have the guy that tips the scales.
I believe the defensive improvement should roughly equal the offensive loss with the Hausers gone. We will still have the best offensive player on the court virtually every night. Challenge for the Big East title, 2-4 seed in the NCAA tournament, second weekend while being a legitimate Final Four threat should be the goal.
And aside from transition, a slower pace of play could really help.
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Excepting for injury, this will be the best finish to a Marquette season in nearly a decade.
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I kind of think there's no middle ground with this team. We have top 20 talent this year....but the pieces will require Wojo to make a major departure from his usual offensive gameplan. If he figures out the right offensive strategy to make the pieces fit together, I think we are a top 5 seed and in the the top 20 most of the season. If doesn't figure it out, then I could see us missing the tournament all together and asking some really tough questions about who are coach is next season.
I don't share the same concern about outside shooting as others. The average team 3P% is around 34-35%. We've got 5 guys on the roster who have all had seasons where they finished better than that plus two freshmen with range on their shot and Bailey who was recruited with a reputation as a shooter. We've been spoiled the last three years, we won't be spoiled this year. But we don't need to be spoiled to be an average to above average 3P shooting team.
With Greg, Koby, Symir and Dex how many points per game can we expect on transition? What made the 3 amigos special were points off steals and deflections. Good defense can be an offensive strategy since we lost our sharp shooters, but then what do I know.
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Are you more optimistic or pessimistic than you were during Hausermania?
More optimistic now. At the time, it wasn’t clear what had gone wrong, and how much Wojo may have ‘lost’ the locker room. With the passing of time, having had the Euro trip, and exploring the dynamic lineups that can be put on the floor with such a deep squad (albeit different from last year), that all seems a bit like water under the bridge, though perhaps a bit of motivation for some players.
In terms of results for the season, there are just too many unknowns and uncertainties regarding the lineups and who will step up in a variety of ways. I want to expect a Top 3 BEast finish and at least one win in the NCAA tourney.
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I am not really worried about three point shooting as I believe both Baily and Cain can shoot the three. Maybe not as good as the Hausers, but it is not like we are totally dropping off the cliff. However, I thought the three point line has been moved back for this season, which may make the three point shot less effective. Being able to play two bigs might be more effective than we are thinking it will be.
What worries me the most is the luck factor. We looked to be really good last year until we fell off the cliff. However, we beat Kansas St. and Buffalo with Howard going crazy. We beat Louisville, Wisconsin, Creighton and Georgetown in overtime. We were getting all the breaks, which could mean we were not as good as our record indicated we were. This year the breaks could go the other way.
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I am not really worried about three point shooting as I believe both Baily and Cain can shoot the three. Maybe not as good as the Hausers, but it is not like we are totally dropping off the cliff. However, I thought the three point line has been moved back for this season, which may make the three point shot less effective. Being able to play two bigs might be more effective than we are thinking it will be.
What worries me the most is the luck factor. We looked to be really good last year until we fell off the cliff. However, we beat Kansas St. and Buffalo with Howard going crazy. We beat Louisville, Wisconsin, Creighton and Georgetown in overtime. We were getting all the breaks, which could mean we were not as good as our record indicated we were. This year the breaks could go the other way.
Quite a few games during our collapse had some unlucky breaks go against us. I think we just about broke even last year with lucky breaks happening in the early parts of the season (Ville, UW-Madison, CU), and unlucky breaks happening down the stretch (Markus getting hurt in the Nova game, Gtown shooting almost 60% from three, Powell not getting arrested after assaulting Sacar). Just how it goes sometimes.
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I don't share the same concern about outside shooting as others. The average team 3P% is around 34-35%. We've got 5 guys on the roster who have all had seasons where they finished better than that plus two freshmen with range on their shot and Bailey who was recruited with a reputation as a shooter. We've been spoiled the last three years, we won't be spoiled this year.
Bailey shot 37% from 3 his senior year of HS. I don't trust him to be a reliable shooter.
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Bailey shot 37% from 3 his senior year of HS. I don't trust him to be a reliable shooter.
That isn't a horrific percentage if he can get there again. Wouldn't want him being Sam level on the wing but it'd be worth hitting him in his "sweet spot" on the arc
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That isn't a horrific percentage if he can get there again. Wouldn't want him being Sam level on the wing but it'd be worth hitting him in his "sweet spot" on the arc
I'd love him to shoot 37% this season.......that is just fine.
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This is where I stand, too. I see no reason on Sept. 23 to say what we'll think of so-and-so if such-and-such is the case next March 23.
This is incorrect.
Its notbincorrect at all. Sam shot the ball well n spaced the floor for us. He did nothing else very well. I realize many lived him and wish him well, however apart from his 3s. And being a solid passer he was average. Zero transition, avg at best rebounder. Bad defender. Bailey improvemt in the area of transition n defense
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Its notbincorrect at all. Sam shot the ball well n spaced the floor for us. He did nothing else very well. I realize many lived him and wish him well, however apart from his 3s. And being a solid passer he was average. Zero transition, avg at best rebounder. Bad defender. Bailey improvemt in the area of transition n defense
Sam was great at off ball defense. Never got caught flat footed or with his head turned, great at taking his man out of action. He was bad at on ball defense but there's more to D than that.
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That isn't a horrific percentage if he can get there again.
I'd take that all day from him. But the difference in speed exposes average HS shooters when they get to college. Even Duane, who shot 50% from 3 as a senior at Dominican struggled with his shot here.
I hope that BB tightens up his mechanics and can improve, but I'm not expecting a ton.
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Sam's defense was decent. Joey's, less so. I think Bailey makes a great leap forward on his 3 pt shooting.
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Reminder that the 3 point line moving back.
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Shooters will adjust quickly.
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I'd love him to shoot 37% this season.......that is just fine.
Travis Diener made 36.3% of his three-point attempts (69-190) on Marquette's 2003 Final Four team. He took 80+ more threes than anybody else on the team -- including Steve Novak (55-109, 50.5%) and Todd Townsend (37-97, 38.1%).
Jae Crowder shot 35.9% (42-117) and 34.5% (61-177) from beyond the arc on the 2011 and 2012 Sweet 16 teams, respectively.
Vander Blue shot just 30.3% (40-132) from three for the 2013 Elite Eight squad, which connected on less than 30% of its threes as a team.
In other words, having an elite three-point percentage isn't the only measure of a successful team. MU shot 41.7% for the 2017-18 season, good for third best in the nation. But we didn't even make the NCAAs because our defense was so porous.
Anything above 35% is good in my book. (BTW, last season the DI average was 34.4%).
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Its notbincorrect at all. Sam shot the ball well n spaced the floor for us. He did nothing else very well. I realize many lived him and wish him well, however apart from his 3s. And being a solid passer he was average. Zero transition, avg at best rebounder. Bad defender. Bailey improvemt in the area of transition n defense
Most of this is also incorrect.
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One game at a time. So let's win Marquette Madness first. In all seriousness, this should be an interesting year. I predict 25 wins, sweet 16
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Shooters will adjust quickly.
So, on this team, who besides Markus is a “great” shooter? This is a good season to go to a more traditional offense as a result. A think the MU line-up, with two bigs, is better protected too defensively with the line moving out.
The line-ups from the past couple of seasons wouldn’t have been affected by the line change offensively. They likely would have been defensively, though.
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So, on this team, who besides Markus is a “great” shooter? This is a good season to go to a more traditional offense as a result. A think the MU line-up, with two bigs, is better protected too defensively with the line moving out.
The line-ups from the past couple of seasons wouldn’t have been affected by the line change offensively. They likely would have been defensively, though.
How many 'great' shooters are there in general? Sacar hit 39% last year. Cain hit 47% as a freshman. McEwen hit 42% as a freshman. I look at this team and the only type of opposing player who scares me is the 6'8 hyper-athletic mauler. Bailey is better than Joey defensively. If he hits 35% (not unreasonable) from 3, he will be fine. Sacar moves to his natural position. Looking at the videos Fanta posted, his jumper is better. Truly, the unknowns are how quickly the freshman acclimate, how healthy Greg is, and whether Jamal has progressed. Assuming health and normal progression, I am looking forward to watching this team.
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I'm very interested to see how the extended three point line effects three point shooting in general. Last time it was moved back I believe it was less than what this move is. I think this move might take more time to adjust to for players, so I think this is the year to have an offense that features a lot of post play and slashing and then by a couple years from now kids will adjust and the deeper 3 point line will just be your average shot.
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I'm very interested to see how the extended three point line effects three point shooting in general. Last time it was moved back I believe it was less than what this move is. I think this move might take more time to adjust to for players, so I think this is the year to have an offense that features a lot of post play and slashing and then by a couple years from now kids will adjust and the deeper 3 point line will just be your average shot.
The Anonymous Eagle pod talked about this a bit. I'll be interested to see how two bigs works with the additional space inside the arc and how it impacts driving lanes.
Wojo has done well adjusting offensively. 2017 & 18 were elite and last year we were a top-20 offensive team before Howard got injured against Butler. I expect them to figure that end out pretty quick, and while we may not have as many top notch shooters, we have enough guys that can make it from deep that I expect we'll be okay.
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How many 'great' shooters are there in general? Sacar hit 39% last year. Cain hit 47% as a freshman. McEwen hit 42% as a freshman. I look at this team and the only type of opposing player who scares me is the 6'8 hyper-athletic mauler. Bailey is better than Joey defensively. If he hits 35% (not unreasonable) from 3, he will be fine. Sacar moves to his natural position. Looking at the videos Fanta posted, his jumper is better. Truly, the unknowns are how quickly the freshman acclimate, how healthy Greg is, and whether Jamal has progressed. Assuming health and normal progression, I am looking forward to watching this team.
Jamal progressing back to his freshman self or normal progressing like you'd expect from a junior who looked promising as a freshman?
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I'm very interested to see how the extended three point line effects three point shooting in general. Last time it was moved back I believe it was less than what this move is. I think this move might take more time to adjust to for players, so I think this is the year to have an offense that features a lot of post play and slashing and then by a couple years from now kids will adjust and the deeper 3 point line will just be your average shot.
I don't think the corner shot has been pushed back that much and Jamal and Sacar like the corner 3.
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Travis Diener made 36.3% of his three-point attempts (69-190) on Marquette's 2003 Final Four team. He took 80+ more threes than anybody else on the team -- including Steve Novak (55-109, 50.5%) and Todd Townsend (37-97, 38.1%).
Jae Crowder shot 35.9% (42-117) and 34.5% (61-177) from beyond the arc on the 2011 and 2012 Sweet 16 teams, respectively.
Vander Blue shot just 30.3% (40-132) from three for the 2013 Elite Eight squad, which connected on less than 30% of its threes as a team.
In other words, having an elite three-point percentage isn't the only measure of a successful team. MU shot 41.7% for the 2017-18 season, good for third best in the nation. But we didn't even make the NCAAs because our defense was so porous.
Anything above 35% is good in my book. (BTW, last season the DI average was 34.4%).
As we sit here today, M92, I don't think this team is as talented as any of those Marquette teams. Also, the game has continued to evolve to a point at which spreading the floor and hitting the 3 is more important than ever -- and that goes all the way down to HS ball.
But sure, I don't think we need to hit 40% or anything to be able to win. At least I hope not, because if that's the case we're in deep trouble.
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One game at a time. So let's win Marquette Madness first. In all seriousness, this should be an interesting year. I predict 25 wins, sweet 16
I agree with Dog, 25 wins and we make it to the sweet sixteen. This team will be stronger and tougher than past teams. Go Marquette!
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The line going back may actually help MU’s offense. More open driving lanes for the likes of Sacar and Koby.
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The line going back may actually help MU’s offense. More open driving lanes for the likes of Sacar and Koby.
It could ... if we have a few guys who prove capable of hitting the longer 3. If our guys prove to be a bunch of brick-throwers, defenses will clog the lane more than ever.
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It could ... if we have a few guys who prove capable of hitting the longer 3. If our guys prove to be a bunch of brick-throwers, defenses will clog the lane more than ever.
This team won’t be setting records but imo there will be plenty of deep threats.
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This team won’t be setting records but imo there will be plenty of deep threats.
I would love nothing more than you being right about this.
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Optimistic. Happy to watch the boys that want to be here. Go Warriors
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Optimistic. Happy to watch the boys that want to be here. Go Warriors
On this we agree, hoopy.
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Not-So-Secret List of 2019 College Basketball Scrimmages
https://watchstadium.com/news/not-so-secret-list-of-2019-college-basketball-scrimmages-10-07-2019/
BIG EAST
Butler – None
Creighton – 10/26 at Missouri
DePaul – 10/19 vs. Bowling Green
Georgetown – 10/19 at Temple
Marquette – 10/20 at Indiana
Providence – 10/27 at Purdue
St. John’s – 10/26 vs. Temple
Seton Hall – None
Villanova – 10/18 at USC (charity exhibition); 10/27 at North Carolina
Xavier – 10/26 vs. Akron
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https://twitter.com/wisbbyearbook/status/1182820114590294016?s=21
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https://twitter.com/wisbbyearbook/status/1182820114590294016?s=21
Koby was a four star in a few services. Very underrated.
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Really looking forward to seeing Koby play in an actual game for Marquette.
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Me too 82. Koby makes or breaks this season in my opinion. Maybe Elliott being healthy is an x-factor. Sacar and Markus are not enough at the guard position to get us where we want to go.
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Really looking forward to seeing Koby play in an actual game for Marquette.
Major dittos
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I think Koby is going to be big time addition this season.
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I anticipate his numbers roughly offsetting the loss of Sam, with more assists but fewer rebounds.
Jayce and a healthy Ed more than compensate for the rebounding.
Greg gets healthy and makes everyone see how his absence hurt the 18-19 team.
BB and Jamal make incremental progress. BB's defense changes a couple of games.
Sacar averages double digits and continues to be the poster child for hard work and perseverance. Plays so well that Sand-knit begrudgingly admits he doesn't completely suck.
Markus continues to show why he was the BEPOY and second team All American.
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I think Koby is going to be big time addition this season.
So is Jayce.
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So is Jayce.
Johnny has his doubts
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I realize that team FT% is a minor part of eFG%, but I still worry about teams employing a 'hack-a-big' strategy in late game situations.
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I realize that team FT% is a minor part of eFG%, but I still worry about teams employing a 'hack-a-big' strategy in late game situations.
This will be curious to watch as far as in-game strategy goes for the staff. Hopefully, they’ll have a lot of leads to test it out
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Having the Hausers sure was nice in end game free throw situations. We will have to see who can hit free throws. I can envision a 4 guard and Ed line up in the last couple of minutes with a lead.
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I realize that team FT% is a minor part of eFG%, but I still worry about teams employing a 'hack-a-big' strategy in late game situations.
They can plug in Bailey at the end with a lead.
That said, with both Theo and Jayce, the war of attrition favors MU. Many teams may not have any hackers left. In the past, teams tried to draw Theo into early foul trouble in the 4 out offense where the center's main role was as a pick setter. Now MU will play more in the paint.
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They can plug in Bailey at the end with a lead.
That said, with both Theo and Jayce, the war of attrition favors MU. Many teams may not have any hackers left. In the past, teams tried to draw Theo into early foul trouble in the 4 out offense where the center's main role was as a pick setter. Now MU will play more in the paint.
Bailey was only a 64% FT shooter. Granted, that was in a small sample of 25 attempts.
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It would help if Bailey improves. 6'8 and able to guard lots of positions AND make free throws would be nice.
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Bailey was only a 64% FT shooter. Granted, that was in a small sample of 25 attempts.
Of the returning active players from last season, BB was the third best FT shooter % behind Markus and Jamal. Beggars can't be choosers.
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Having the Hausers sure was nice in end game free throw situations. We will have to see who can hit free throws.
You're new here, ain't ya?
#FTsnomatta
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Team ft% does not matter as it relates to eFG%, which is JB's touchstone. I get that argument. Making vs. missing while trying to hold a lead late... Yeah, that can make the difference.
The statistical difference between going 20-30 from the line vs 22-30 for a game is infinitesimal.
The difference between going 8-10 versus 6-10 in the last two minutes while trying to hold a narrow win can have a huge impact. One whole possession wasted which can be the difference in a one possession game.
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I hope Koby and Jayce both contribute significantly. That said, it feels like every transfer takes time to settle in, whether grad like Lockett, Carlino, or Reinhardt or traditional like Jamil, Rowsey, or Morrow.
Let’s try to give them 6-8 weeks to settle in on the court before judging them too harshly.
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5 years ta judge iz da gold standard, aina?
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5 years ta judge iz da gold standard, aina?
No. Wojo needs 10 years.
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Of the returning active players from last season, BB was the third best FT shooter % behind Markus and Jamal. Beggars can't be choosers.
Sure. But saying they can choose to simply plug Bailey in during that situation isn’t accurate either, at least not yet.
On numbers alone I’ll take Elliott easily over Bailey in that scenario.
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You're new here, ain't ya?
#FTsnomatta
First time I notice your New Signature. Thanks
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First time I notice your New Signature. Thanks
It’s a beauty, eh?
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It’s a beauty, eh?
Yeah, I'm a fan of Counterpoints.
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Sure. But saying they can choose to simply plug Bailey in during that situation isn’t accurate either, at least not yet.
On numbers alone I’ll take Elliott easily over Bailey in that scenario.
Greg is playing center now? Color me confused.
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I hope Koby and Jayce both contribute significantly. That said, it feels like every transfer takes time to settle in, whether grad like Lockett, Carlino, or Reinhardt or traditional like Jamil, Rowsey, or Morrow.
Let’s try to give them 6-8 weeks to settle in on the court before judging them too harshly.
+1
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It’s a beauty, eh?
Absolutely. The first good signature you've had in a long time.
I know you think you are somehow punking newspapers with this, but every intelligent consumer of news -- which most newspaper readers are -- use multiple sources to get their news.
Once upon a time, everybody got the daily newspaper. Now, only those who truly want to be informed commit the time and/or expense necessary to read them at all. So much easier to get brainwashed by one or two TV or online outlets that agree with the consumer's POV.
So yep, TJ is right. And he'd probably join us all in saying: Thank goodness for the heroic reporters at our nation's great newspapers and other legitimate media outlets ... now more than ever.
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It’s a beauty, eh?
Absolutely. The first good signature you've had in a long time.
I'm gonna leave these two sigs be as long as you two can just leave them speak for themselves. Deal? More bickering and I'm gonna' put you guys in the same MUScoop Jail cell.
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I'm gonna leave these two sigs be as long as you two can just leave them speak for themselves. Deal? More bickering and I'm gonna' put you guys in the same MUScoop Jail cell.
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BYTNjNTU1Y2MtZGM2MS00MGFjLWIzYjUtOTM2YmIzYTk1MDI2XkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTg2NTc4MzA@._V1_.jpg)
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(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BYTNjNTU1Y2MtZGM2MS00MGFjLWIzYjUtOTM2YmIzYTk1MDI2XkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTg2NTc4MzA@._V1_.jpg)
Lots of, um, poetic license taken with that artistic rendering of Tony Curtis.
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https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1183852510504726528?s=21
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I want to see that 3-4x per game.
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That Koby with the dime?
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Yep. At first, I thought the pass from Koby looked just a bit low -- but that might be just where Dexter wants it. He started to crouch and get set before he received the ball, then immediately launched into his shooting motion after the catch.