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I don't disagree Fluffer. Early on Scott Gottleib said that this could be an Achilles heel. We are only as good as the weakest link in this regard. Then again. If there is a scare in some places on hospitalization capacity, there is still time to get the infrastructure in place for when it matters most (fall).
Yep.But the overall problem is there are too many who don't trust the government, don't trust science, and don't like pointy head types telling us the issue is complex.
FWIW, I don’t think it’s necessarily fair to lump those together. There are plenty of intelligent people who believe and trust science who also aren’t a proponent of increased government oversight/control/trackingAnd just to devils advocate further, Google developing “anonymous” contact tracing is kind of amusing given then excessive amount of grey area tracking, cataloging, and documenting personal data they have done for years.From a pure efficacy standpoint, it’s actually totally beneficial to have a powerful, overarching, and controlling government to handle COVID. My associates in Dubai rave about how it was handled there, but that’s also a place with “normal” daily government intervention so grand it would shock many Americans. But in more freedom based cultures, it’s a tough sell, and I get it both ways
FWIW, Google and Apple have already done the legwork to enable anonymous contact tracing through our phones, which probable covers 80-90% of US population. All that needs to happen is for the US government to "bless" an app for us all to authenticate with. Seems something that the CDC would normally be in charge of. States don't need to handle it individually.https://www.wired.com/story/covid-19-contact-tracing-apple-google/I followed the instructions in the article, and sure enough, and update has been pushed to my phone so that the API is capable of contact tracing.
Liberal democracies have also adopted the phone contact tracing. The Australians are participating in massive numbers. Probably not by mistake their death rates are so much lower than ours despite being a travel destination, has a large Chinese/Asian minority, dense cities, etc..We have handled is pandemic terribly and now a technology can help us managing contact tracing and we are concerned about losing some freedom? Not good.
Has any state tried this technology? If not I wonder why that is. I mean, what about NYC?I think there are a ton of privacy concerns here but if it can make a difference, just like masks, I'm all for it. What I can't figure out is why people outside of this board haven't figured this out.
Practically speaking how does one contact trace with all that has gone on the last month or two? Not sure that you can put the type of infrastructure in place to trace the sheer volume of engagement we've seen. Put another way, is the spread so general that tracing is even practical.
We are certainly WAY behind where we should be because Trump has handcuffed the CDC. Still, if we were seriously ramping up efforts, we could catch some of the spread. And more important, when it surges again in the fall (and it will), we would have the infrastructure in place to stop it faster.It all depends on whether the guy at the top lets the experts do their jobs....
I don't disagree with a coordinated federal component, but nothing is stopping from the states from executing a tracing effort is there?
If we stopped testing right now, we’d have very few cases.
What? Nobody is saying that. Absurdist arguments help nothing in this discussion
Uhh, the leader of the free world said it like 3 hours ago.
Today’s reality in three posts.
I’m talking in here. Constantly dragging Trump into the convo here does is create more political mud flinging. Which I suppose is exactly what was intended.Oh get bent you pretentious ass. Look through any of my previous posts and find that I’m not some MAGA moron and have been vocal in wishing for the COVID threads to be more topical.
Um, wow. I think you misunderstood my post. It certainly wasn’t a comment about you. It was the general conversation represented today pretty well. Someone posts something so outrageous that it is legitimately dismissed, but yet turns out that it was something the potus actually said.That is all. Sorry if that did not come across clearly enough.
I’m talking in here. Constantly dragging Trump into the convo here does is create more political mud flinging. Which I suppose is exactly what was intended.**Sorted out***