Kolek planning to go pro
I'm guessing self-reported (it was a poll), so yes, grain of salt.
That time when dgies accidentally called for vaccination mandates.What about my fraud example? You OK with "Your government is not protecting the stupid's right to be stupid" when that stupid person gets tangled in a pyramid scheme or believes their grandchild is locked up in a Guatemalan jail?
That said, my philosophy for what it's worth is this:You're right, Your risk!You can choose to be stupid. But your idiocy has consequences. Like, not being able to enter certain buildings, stores and public places. Like not being able to fly, ride a train or Mass Transit. And, if you're stupid after, say November 1, 2021, then the government should tell the world Medicare and Medicaid won't cover the cost of getting sick from Covid and private insurance can "opt out." of covering Covid-19 illness in non-vaccinated persons.My governor has opposed vaccine passports. It's a strange hill for him to die on, since it assures the stupid are treated for what they are -- stupid. It means that certain governors who again are threatening dire actions (aka, Illinois) doesn't have to.The answer is so clear. We spent billions on behalf of all of us. Take advantage of one of the few efficient government programs and GET VACCINATED.Don't be stupid!
You lay out a good case DG but so much of what's important is what's not said. DeSantis isn't just some crusader for liberty*. If he was he be begging people to get vaccinated on their own or wear masks where necessary. Instead he stay quiet on these issues that he knows his base hates to hear about. He also stays quiet when supportive press (like Tucker Carlson) introduce vaccine conspiracies. You can support liberty while also telling Tucker to shut up the vaccines are safe. His silence makes him complicit. At least Asa Hutchinson has expressed regret over base appealing policies that have misfired. *to say nothing about how anti GOP it is to try and force policy on private enterprise.
Brother Pakuni:You make me sound like a reactionary conservative. I'm really not, as much as a pragmatist. It's not like personal ethics, where absolute moral values clash with situationalism. Here, I'm declaring this a Dr. Beach-free zone!This isn't either an ethical or moral issue: It's common sense and therefore I'm less worried about the precedent.That said, my philosophy for what it's worth is this:You're right, Your risk!You can choose to be stupid. But your idiocy has consequences. Like, not being able to enter certain buildings, stores and public places. Like not being able to fly, ride a train or Mass Transit. And, if you're stupid after, say November 1, 2021, then the government should tell the world Medicare and Medicaid won't cover the cost of getting sick from Covid and private insurance can "opt out." of covering Covid-19 illness in non-vaccinated persons.My governor has opposed vaccine passports. It's a strange hill for him to die on, since it assures the stupid are treated for what they are -- stupid. It means that certain governors who again are threatening dire actions (aka, Illinois) doesn't have to.The answer is so clear. We spent billions on behalf of all of us. Take advantage of one of the few efficient government programs and GET VACCINATED.Don't be stupid!P.S. -- I watch American Greed and see way too much of the fraud for which you address. While I want the perpetrators arrested, there is a part of me that says, "my God, how can someone be so stupid!" My morality says, "you don't steal from the stupid," but you gotta wonder sometimes whether the story is really the story!
This is a 180 from your OP today where you said you didn't want the government telling you what to do or going to extreme measures to contain the virus.
The only thing I could find on NBC's website said 1000 likely voters, 600 non-landline. No other sampling or other demographic info.Shaker of salt, hey?
Brother Lens:Don't know if you live in Florida or not. I do, a good hunk of the year. I actually have heard my Governor advocate for vaccinations. He was a leader in setting the allocation process for "seniors First," because that segment of our population, which is significant (just watch all the errant blinkers on any Florida highway, if you don't believe me), also is the most vulnerable to the disease. You didn't see a whole lot of people under 70 dying in Florida, unless they had underlying conditions.DeSantis made sure the seniors and folks with underlying medical conditions were 1 and 1A in the line for vaccine. And yes, he pushed it to our citizenry.He was on television earlier this year (I live in the Palm Beach television market) regularly pushing the vaccine. I'll admit, I'm not sure Charlie Crist or Nikki Fried (the two Democrats likely to run for governor against DeSantis) would have done any different, other than to shut the state down a la Illinois or New York. But to suggest DeSantis didn't advocate vaccination is wrong. It's something that's coming from outside the state by folks who have an agenda of loathing of anything Florida.
You can choose to be stupid. But your idiocy has consequences. Like, not being able to enter certain buildings, stores and public places. Like not being able to fly, ride a train or Mass Transit. And, if you're stupid after, say November 1, 2021, then the government should tell the world Medicare and Medicaid won't cover the cost of getting sick from Covid and private insurance can "opt out." of covering Covid-19 illness in non-vaccinated persons.
Afraid not, dude. I don't want our government taking preemptive actions against a vaccinated population. I'm rather suggesting you have a choice, but there are consequences of your actions. I have no problem with the government NOT DOING ANYTHING on either the Covid-19 control restrictions for the stupidly unvaccinated or forcing the vaccination on stupid people. In the case of airlines, for example, let the carriers decide whether or not to carry the unvaccinated or under what conditions. Let the insurance companies decide whether to cover Covid-19 patients who are not vaccinated (you know they won't). Let Publix decide whether to admit the unvaccinated to their stores. Free commercial enterprises from the lawsuits that inevitably will come because you discriminate against idiots.Frankly, I'm not sure I care because I'm vaccinated and I'm all in on the booster shot. My family all is vaccinated and most of my friends are.Be stupid if it's your flavor de jour. But don't penalize the smart because the stupid are stupid.
IOW, mostly BS that morphs into “science” if it fits a particular narrative.
back to mask mandates, even outdoors, in Oregon.
All dis chit iz politics, aina?
Hardly a coincidence that it was posted by Smith and jockitch within minutes, aina?
That seems dumb.
Other than the fact that no one called it science. But sure, you can knock down that strawman all you'd like.