Author Topic: 2019 Coaching Carousel (Read 203338 times)

MU82 · « **Reply #625 on:** April 07, 2019, 06:41:52 PM »

Quote from: brewcity77 on April 07, 2019, 05:24:41 PM

Obviously no one knows, but in the past 4 years, Young had a losing record twice. Meanwhile, Forbes at ETSU, Miller at UNCG, & Richey at Furman have 10 combined seasons in that span. Only 1 losing season (Miller 4 years ago) and 9/10 where each tallied at least 23 wins. And all are younger than Young.

And Chris Beard is a unicorn. Not a fair comparison in either direction.

Good point about those coaches, brew. I was just saying that it's not as if Young has been a sucky coach or something.

As for Beard, I'm not "comparing" Young or Wojo or anybody else to him. All I'm saying is that a quick look at his resume before he took the TTech job (actually, the UNLV job only to pull out and go to TTech instead) would have made many Scoopers wonder what he had done to earn the job at our our fine institution. Before he went to TTech/UNLV, he was a head coach at a D1 mid-major for one season, a D2 school for 2 years and a school from some Christian conference for 1 year.

And all I'm saying is that if Wojo leaves, and we hire somebody with the exact same history as a head coach, he would be dismissed as a crapty hire because he's not an "established" P6 coach or a hot brand name like Shaka was.

muguru · « **Reply #626 on:** April 07, 2019, 06:42:24 PM »

Rick Barnes to UCLA??

https://twitter.com/EvanDaniels/status/1115036292469940225

4everwarriors · « **Reply #627 on:** April 07, 2019, 06:46:50 PM »

Y kant wee ever higher a coach like Chris Beard, hey?

jesmu84 · « **Reply #628 on:** April 07, 2019, 06:55:21 PM »

Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 07, 2019, 06:46:50 PM

Y kant wee ever higher a coach like Chris Beard, hey?

Cause people like you would absolutely roast the MU admin if we tried hiring someone with his resume (pre ttech)

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole · « **Reply #629 on:** April 07, 2019, 07:02:53 PM »

Quote from: muguru on April 07, 2019, 06:42:24 PM

Rick Barnes to UCLA??

https://twitter.com/EvanDaniels/status/1115036292469940225

He's 64. That would be odd.

tower912 · « **Reply #630 on:** April 07, 2019, 07:10:29 PM »

Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 07, 2019, 06:46:50 PM

Y kant wee ever higher a coach like Chris Beard, hey?

Everyone would like a coach like Chris Beard. To get one, you have to roll the dice on a guy with (see MU 82's review of his resume' prior to TTech).

MU82 · « **Reply #631 on:** April 07, 2019, 07:20:58 PM »

Quote from: tower912 on April 07, 2019, 07:10:29 PM

Everyone would like a coach like Chris Beard. To get one, you have to roll the dice on a guy with (see MU 82's review of his resume' prior to TTech).

Exactly.

Shaka was about as sure a thing as any mid-major coach could possibly be. He led VCU to the Final Four and kept the program going well. Even if there was a gradual decline, it's not like any reasonable observer could have felt he should be taking VCU deep into the NCAA tourney every year. He was THE mid-major coach to get -- a "cool, young guy" who would recruit spectacularly and just win win win at the P6 level.

Four years into his P6 experience, is everybody still sure that Shaka is a sure thing?

There was no rolling the dice on Shaka. If our administration had rolled the dice on somebody with Beard's resume ... Scoop would not have been filled with happy campers.

Folks here can't have it both ways. We can't say we want the next Beard while also saying we MUST hire a proven P6 winner ... at least not if we're gonna be realistic.

MattyWarrior · « **Reply #632 on:** April 07, 2019, 07:23:17 PM »

Mike Young new coach at VaTech

4everwarriors · « **Reply #633 on:** April 07, 2019, 07:24:26 PM »

How 'bout dis Beard, knot da next won. Dude has da chops winners are made of. Wood bee nice ta get sum of dat, hey?

tower912 · « **Reply #634 on:** April 07, 2019, 07:25:13 PM »

Quote from: MattyWarrior on April 07, 2019, 07:23:17 PM

Mike Young new coach at VaTech

From Wofford. I am sure he was their first choice all along.

tower912 · « **Reply #635 on:** April 07, 2019, 07:26:02 PM »

Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 07, 2019, 07:24:26 PM

How 'bout dis Beard, knot da next won. Dude has da chops winners are made of. Wood bee nice ta get sum of dat, hey?

Rumor has it he isn't going anywhere until his daughters grow up. And even if he does leave, MU will not win that bidding war.

4everwarriors · « **Reply #636 on:** April 07, 2019, 07:26:51 PM »

Derin lyes part of da problem, aina?

tower912 · « **Reply #637 on:** April 07, 2019, 07:29:57 PM »

Elaborate, please. If UCLA hasn't hired anyone by Tuesday, they will probably offer Beard $5 million per. Do you think MU can match that?

brewcity77 · « **Reply #638 on:** April 07, 2019, 07:30:50 PM »

Quote from: MU82 on April 07, 2019, 06:41:52 PM

As for Beard, I'm not "comparing" Young or Wojo or anybody else to him.

Beard has been amazing, and I'd say probably unprecedented, at least in modern history. People that say "why can't we find a Chris Beard", well it's because no other Chris Beards have existed in recent memory. People that say "maybe this guy is the next Chris Beard", there's no precedent for that either because no one has done what Beard did.

D2 to the far and away best season in UTA history (look at their results before and since, it's insane) to Texas Tech, maybe the worst (at best second worst) job in the B12 and he has them as a national title contender in year 3.

He can't be compared because his results thus far are incomparable. It's like complaining that a player doesn't dunk like Zion without acknowledging that no one has ever had the size/mobility combination Zion has. No one. Ever. That's Chris Beard, except as a coach.

muguru · « **Reply #639 on:** April 07, 2019, 07:41:14 PM »

Quote from: tower912 on April 07, 2019, 07:29:57 PM

Elaborate, please. If UCLA hasn't hired anyone by Tuesday, they will probably offer Beard $5 million per. Do you think MU can match that?

Yes, and that's the facts. If they had to find the $$ to pay an elite Coach, they could find out without too much trouble.

muguru · « **Reply #640 on:** April 07, 2019, 07:43:11 PM »

Quote from: MU82 on April 07, 2019, 07:20:58 PM

Exactly.

Shaka was about as sure a thing as any mid-major coach could possibly be. He led VCU to the Final Four and kept the program going well. Even if there was a gradual decline, it's not like any reasonable observer could have felt he should be taking VCU deep into the NCAA tourney every year. He was THE mid-major coach to get -- a "cool, young guy" who would recruit spectacularly and just win win win at the P6 level.

Four years into his P6 experience, is everybody still sure that Shaka is a sure thing?

There was no rolling the dice on Shaka. If our administration had rolled the dice on somebody with Beard's resume ... Scoop would not have been filled with happy campers.

Folks here can't have it both ways. We can't say we want the next Beard while also saying we MUST hire a proven P6 winner ... at least not if we're gonna be realistic.

First of all, what the hell is the P6?? Is that a made up term?? Secondly, pretty easy solution...you hire a proven winning Coach, your odds are best that way. Stay away from the mid/low major types.

4everwarriors · « **Reply #641 on:** April 07, 2019, 07:43:40 PM »

Quote from: tower912 on April 07, 2019, 07:29:57 PM

Elaborate, please. If UCLA hasn't hired anyone by Tuesday, they will probably offer Beard $5 million per. Do you think MU can match that?

Sure, they can. Just not convinced they realize that men's basketball is the university's meal ticket going forward

Mr. Nielsen · « **Reply #642 on:** April 07, 2019, 08:02:01 PM »

Quote from: muguru on April 07, 2019, 07:43:11 PM

First of all, what the hell is the P6?? Is that a made up term??

It's what CBS used on Selection Sunday and other hoop media guys say that know basketball that includes the Big East Conference.

Or it's what Mike Areso continues the American Athletic Conference’s bold push to become a power conference for football.