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Re: 2019 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #575 on: April 06, 2019, 08:26:22 AM »
Willard staying at Seton Hall.
Willard will get a nice pay raise and years added on to contract.
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Re: 2019 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #576 on: April 06, 2019, 08:32:35 AM »
Willard will get a nice pay raise and years added on to contract.

But he's rejecting a Power 4 conference to stay in a mid-major.

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Re: 2019 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #577 on: April 06, 2019, 08:42:16 AM »
Per that ESPN article, Dixon’s buyout was $8 million.  I really don’t blame UCLA for not wanting to pony up.  That’s a huge chunk of change to pay for a guy who’ll be shown the door in three to five years.

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Re: 2019 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #578 on: April 06, 2019, 08:44:43 AM »
Per that ESPN article, Dixon’s buyout was $8 million.  I really don’t blame UCLA for not wanting to pony up.  That’s a huge chunk of change to pay for a guy who’ll be shown the door in three to five years.
Good lord. If you’re UCLA don’t you iron that small detail out before you let it leak Dixon’s your new coach?! Incompetence knows no boundaries
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Re: 2019 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #579 on: April 06, 2019, 09:07:11 AM »
But he's rejecting a Power 4 conference to stay in a mid-major.

And Hall MU games will continue to be fun. #ejections

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Re: 2019 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #580 on: April 06, 2019, 09:50:38 AM »
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"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me.” Al McGuire

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Re: 2019 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #581 on: April 06, 2019, 09:51:33 AM »
Good lord. If you’re UCLA don’t you iron that small detail out before you let it leak Dixon’s your new coach?! Incompetence knows no boundaries

You are right. In almost every case it gets worked out. Apparently TCU is not budging, which is their right. On the other hand, do you really want to keep a coach who wants to go somewhere else?

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« Reply #582 on: April 06, 2019, 09:54:42 AM »
You are right. In almost every case it gets worked out. Apparently TCU is not budging, which is their right. On the other hand, do you really want to keep a coach who wants to go somewhere else?

Didn’t we do that with Al McGuire when he wanted to go to the Bucks and we said NO DICE?
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Re: 2019 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #583 on: April 06, 2019, 10:06:04 AM »
Didn’t we do that with Al McGuire when he wanted to go to the Bucks and we said NO DICE?

Sure did but you think the situations are the same? I do not.

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Re: 2019 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #584 on: April 06, 2019, 10:06:44 AM »
Didn’t we do that with Al McGuire when he wanted to go to the Bucks and we said NO DICE?

I get it that you should no force someone to stay that wants to leave for another school.  But, isn’t it different when a coach wants to jump to the NBA?
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Re: 2019 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #585 on: April 06, 2019, 10:11:41 AM »
In both cases, TCU and MU enforced a contract with their coach who wanted to leave, but the schools didn’t yield.
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me.” Al McGuire

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« Reply #586 on: April 06, 2019, 10:19:02 AM »
In both cases, TCU and MU enforced a contract with their coach who wanted to leave, but the schools didn’t yield.

Got it. The situations are the same.

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Re: 2019 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #587 on: April 06, 2019, 10:28:29 AM »
Got it. The situations are the same.
Though, different in that there was no buyout provision back then.  In that respect, MU took a much harsher line.  TCU was willing to let Dixon go for the $8 million.

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« Reply #588 on: April 06, 2019, 10:40:47 AM »
Though, different in that there was no buyout provision back then.  In that respect, MU took a much harsher line.  TCU was willing to let Dixon go for the $8 million.

TCU wasn’t ‘willing’ to let Dixon go for $8 million, they contractually obligated themselves to do so. There is no longer any choice on their end if the $8 million is produced.

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Re: 2019 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #589 on: April 06, 2019, 10:52:02 AM »
Got it. The situations are the same.

No two situations are exactly alike, which I am sure you know.  This is why we have guiding principles, rules, laws, etc, to bucketize similar things until we come to ones that are true outliers and address with new rules, laws, etc.
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me.” Al McGuire

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Re: 2019 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #590 on: April 06, 2019, 10:52:27 AM »
Didn’t we do that with Al McGuire when he wanted to go to the Bucks and we said NO DICE?

So you can cite two examples in 50 years?
Not exactly a powerful argument.

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Re: 2019 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #591 on: April 06, 2019, 10:52:56 AM »
@GoodmanHoops: St. John’s AD Mike Cragg in a statement: “Let me be clear and I said from the start, Coach Mullin is our head coach and we are not looking for another head coach.”

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Re: 2019 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #592 on: April 06, 2019, 10:56:05 AM »
So you can cite two examples in 50 years?
Not exactly a powerful argument.

I’m sure we could all cite more if we put our minds to it.  More importantly, as a deterrent how many times does this not even come to play because schools know the amount and don’t bother to go after another coach in the first place.

There is a reason Buzz lowered his buyout in the last two years.
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me.” Al McGuire

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Re: 2019 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #593 on: April 06, 2019, 12:56:24 PM »
@GoodmanHoops: St. John’s AD Mike Cragg in a statement: “Let me be clear and I said from the start, Coach Mullin is our head coach and we are not looking for another head coach.”

“Our initial advances towards coaches we would like as replacements were not well received. Given that this has leaked out to knowledgeable people within the industry, let me publicly mention how committed we are to Mullin and get ahead of everything with CYA statements”

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Re: 2019 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #594 on: April 06, 2019, 12:56:32 PM »
TCU wasn’t ‘willing’ to let Dixon go for $8 million, they contractually obligated themselves to do so. There is no longer any choice on their end if the $8 million is produced.
Yah, that’s the contract TCU willingly agreed to.......

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Re: 2019 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #595 on: April 06, 2019, 01:10:07 PM »
Good for Willard and Seton Hall. Don’t like the guy, but it’s nice to see him move the program forward and keep some stability. 

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« Reply #596 on: April 06, 2019, 01:38:42 PM »
Man, I'm not sure anyone comes out looking good there. UCLA is cheap,  TCU is stuck with a coach who wants to leave,  and Dixon is stuck coaching a team that knows he tried to leave.

I think this is the first time I've seen a buyout actually keep a coach

Buyouts "keep" coaches all the time because other schools don't even bother. That's part of the point of the buyout. Of course they can also hem a program in that wants to dump a coach, too.

Dabo is going nowhere for the time being, with a $40M+ buyout.  Les Miles recently walked away from $5M so he could pursue another job. 
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me.” Al McGuire

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Re: 2019 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #599 on: April 06, 2019, 03:52:55 PM »
Now mid major coaches don't want it.....

Buzz must be leaving the cupboard "very bare"......

 

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