2019 Coaching Carousel

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Now...my challenge to everyone here, is LOOK at these three years based solely on the record etc. IGNORE the fact what he started with etc etc(that argument is tired and lame)...Just REALLY look at the raw #'s...and ask yourself...is this/should it be good enough at a place like Marquette?? Or is this Mediocrity at it's finest(all things considered)??

Again, you don't fire a coach to punish him for not meeting your expectations.

You fire a coach because he is no longer building the program. He is either regressing or plateauing for a significant period of time.

[muguru]

Again, you don't fire a coach to punish him for not meeting your expectations.

You fire a coach because he is no longer building the program. He is either regressing or plateauing for a significant period of time.

Hmmm well...you pro Wojo guys haven't asked yourself one important question...Obviously hypothetical...but let's assume MU got a new AD last year...I would bet you(or anyone else) very large sums of $$, he would have fired Wojo at the end of this year...you know why?? Because new AD's always want their own guy. If the sitting Coach is doing well enough, they would leave them alone...but usually a New AD comes in they have a new vision etc. So...if a new AD would have fired him(which I believe he would have)...can't you then make the argument he should be fired?? And perhaps the only reason he hasn't been is because the administration is in love with him?? More specifically, are YOU or any other pro Wojo guy willing to wager a different admin would feel EXACTLY the same?? If you think they would, then I will concede...but I think(and you are smart enough to know this too) it is far more likely then not, a new administration coming in, would fire him...happens every where.

[Herman Cain]

Hmmm well...you pro Wojo guys haven't asked yourself one important question...Obviously hypothetical...but let's assume MU got a new AD last year...I would bet you(or anyone else) very large sums of $$, he would have fired Wojo at the end of this year...you know why?? Because new AD's always want their own guy. If the sitting Coach is doing well enough, they would leave them alone...but usually a New AD comes in they have a new vision etc. So...if a new AD would have fired him(which I believe he would have)...can't you then make the argument he should be fired?? And perhaps the only reason he hasn't been is because the administration is in love with him?? More specifically, are YOU or any other pro Wojo guy willing to wager a different admin would feel EXACTLY the same?? If you think they would, then I will concede...but I think(and you are smart enough to know this too) it is far more likely then not, a new administration coming in, would fire him...happens every where.

I agree with this analysis

[Mr. Nielsen]

MU's athletic program has plenty of $$ to do these things, and you know that. They will pay top dollar for a Coach etc. They have plenty of wealthy enough donors to do what needs to be done.

Marquette doesn't have SEC money. Heck, softball in the SEC pays it's coaches heck of wage. These buildings for softball are better than 200+ schools in college hoops.

[muguru]

Marquette doesn't have SEC money. Heck, softball in the SEC pays it's coaches heck of wage. These buildings for softball are better than 200+ schools in college hoops.

Mr. Nielsen...I can assure you, of one thing...(and for those of you hanging on everything I say, this is PURELY HYPOTHETICAL)...let's say Brad Stevens called and said I will become your next Head Coach if you pay me xxxx amount of dollars...MU could find the $$ to pay him whatever he requested(obviously if it's reasonable(ish). Now if they would...would be another story. If they didn't however, they would be the biggest idiots alive.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Hmmm well...you pro Wojo guys haven't asked yourself one important question...Obviously hypothetical...but let's assume MU got a new AD last year...I would bet you(or anyone else) very large sums of $$, he would have fired Wojo at the end of this year...you know why?? Because new AD's always want their own guy. If the sitting Coach is doing well enough, they would leave them alone...but usually a New AD comes in they have a new vision etc. So...if a new AD would have fired him(which I believe he would have)...can't you then make the argument he should be fired?? And perhaps the only reason he hasn't been is because the administration is in love with him?? More specifically, are YOU or any other pro Wojo guy willing to wager a different admin would feel EXACTLY the same?? If you think they would, then I will concede...but I think(and you are smart enough to know this too) it is far more likely then not, a new administration coming in, would fire him...happens every where.

I'm confident that most ADs do exactly what I said, they fire coaches who are regressing or plateuing and support the ones who are building the program. They do NOT fire a coach as punishment for not living up to fan expectations. Those that don't fall into the most aren't very good ADs.

[Herman Cain]

Marquette doesn't have SEC money. Heck, softball in the SEC pays it's coaches heck of wage. These buildings for softball are better than 200+ schools in college hoops.

SEC softball gets solid tv ratings

[Mr. Nielsen]

Mr. Nielsen...I can assure you, of one thing...(and for those of you hanging on everything I say, this is PURELY HYPOTHETICAL)...let's say Brad Stevens called and said I will become your next Head Coach if you pay me xxxx amount of dollars...MU could find the $$ to pay him whatever he requested(obviously if it's reasonable(ish). Now if they would...would be another story. If they didn't however, they would be the biggest idiots alive.

As your example you give, I agree with that. 

[Silent Verbal]

I feel like the Athletic Department is being run like the Brewers were in the 90s when Wendy Selig took control of the team.  She couldn’t bear to fire Sal Brando because he was “like an uncle” to her.  Wojo will need to seriously bottom out for the AD to fire him.  If he continues to produce fair to middling results, he’ll be here as long as he chooses to stay.

[Mr. Nielsen]

SEC softball gets solid tv ratings

I watch SEC softball all the time!

[Herman Cain]

I watch SEC softball all the time!

Well there you go. Nothing like those southern hotties in pony tails. Oh, Yeah they are pretty darn good athletes too.

[Cheeks]

I feel like the Athletic Department is being run like the Brewers were in the 90s when Wendy Selig took control of the team.  She couldn’t bear to fire Sal Brando because he was “like an uncle” to her.  Wojo will need to seriously bottom out for the AD to fire him.  If he continues to produce fair to middling results, he’ll be here as long as he chooses to stay.

Come on.  MU Volleyball, Big East champions, NCAA tournament.  MU Women's Basketball, Big East Champions, NCAA Tournament.  MU Men's basketball, Big East 2nd place, ranked top 15 much of the year, NCAA tournament.  MU Women's LAX, coming off NCAA tournament last year....season in progress.  MU Men's LAX, just beat ranked G' Town yesterday and MU receiving votes in top 20 rankings.  Marquette Tennis, defending Big East champions.  And on and on.

2017 Big East President's Trophy for best overall athletic department = Marquette


Those are not fair to middling results.  Nor is making the NCAA tournament and finishing 2nd in the conference.  The new definitions of words are enlightening.

[Loose Cannon]

and 4 Sweet 16 teams. Feast or famine.

Will be interesting to  see the coaches applying to replace him..

[muguru]

I'm confident that most ADs do exactly what I said, they fire coaches who are regressing or plateuing and support the ones who are building the program. They do NOT fire a coach as punishment for not living up to fan expectations. Those that don't fall into the most aren't very good ADs.

Tim Miles...was fired at Nebraska today..In 2017-2018 they were 22-11 and were left out of the NCAA's when many thought they would make it...This year they were 19-17 and had it not been for the inury to Copeland, they make the NCAA's..Nebraska has had only two winning conference records BXII/B10 in the 21st century...why was he fired??

Bryce Drew- Got three years at Vandy...made NCAA's his first year there, with a mostly Senior laden class...regressed the next year, and had a disaster of a year this year after losing 1st round NBA pick Darius Garland...3 years...fired. Why was he fired??


Let's put it this way..Let's say you TAMU own a business...and for a stretch of years from 2008-2014, your business was at levels you hadn't seen in many years..Your product had an identity, more and more people were starting to notice, you were making more $$ than you ever had..You were close to becoming in an elite group of manufacturers...this was all due to a new plant manager you had brought in to replace one that left for a better opportunity...But this plant manager had business booming...then because of some bad publicity(that was never bad nationally only in an isolated local area), you got scared...and you started making life harder and harder for this plant manager, putting restrictions on what he could do etc...only your business was as good as it had ever been..well you were hoping he'd leave because you were worried if your "brand" could withstand a little bad publicity(again only locally).

You got your wish...he left...so you decided to bring in someone more clean cut, but inexperienced to take over your plant manager duties..5 years later, your business hasn't gotten significantly better, certainly nowhere near the levels it had been at under the previous pant manager..No one nationally talks about/raves about your product the way they once did..your product has dipped from those days, the quality isn't as good, and there's no guarantees it will ever be at that level again under this plant manager..he's had 5 years...you now have to ask yourself, how many more years of this can you afford before your business becomes irrelevant and gets passed by other companies that produce better results from the same product?? If you don't act soon..it could all crumble down and you lose it all....so what do you do?? Do you take a chance by firing this plant manager, and "reorganizing" and bring in someone else that almost certainly would produce no worse then the same results, or do you let him stay for another couple years and risk losing your business entirely??

You want to be the company that was "on top of the world" or close to it, just a few years ago..that's what you want to be again, you have now been passed by companies of the same size and stature, and even some lessor ones, their product is better then yours now. What are you going to do??

[wadesworld]

Will be interesting to  see the coaches applying to replace him..

Yup. Anyone who thinks MU would be a hot job after firing their coach after a season he got a 5 seed and finished 2nd in their conference is kidding themselves.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

[Mr. Nielsen]

MU Women's LAX, coming off NCAA tournament last year....season in progress. 

They never been in NCAA Tournament.

[muguru]

Yup. Anyone who thinks MU would be a hot job after firing their coach after a season he got a 5 seed and finished 2nd in their conference is kidding themselves.

Oh really?? I can promise you a vast majority if not all of the recently unemployed Coaches would be falling all over themselves for the MU job...that's not saying I'd hire any of them but if you base "hot" on the number of applications/interest expressed I can 99% guarantee you you would here from(in no particular order):

Mike Anderson
Steve Alford
Bryce Drew
Tim Miles
Avery Johnson
Dave Rose
Marvin Menzies
Thad Matta

And that's not saying anything about guys that are current Head coaches, assistants etc. there would be TONS of interest.

[tower912]

Do you honestly feel any of those coaches are upgrades?

[muguru]

Do you honestly feel any of those coaches are upgrades?

My post said...not that I would hire any of them...but there were questions about how much interest there would be in the MU job if they fired a Coach coming off a five seed...I was saying there would be PLENTY of interest. Of those..I love the way Mike Anderson's teams play...but to me, if I HAD to choose one of those, it would be Matta...I wouldn't be disappointed with him.

[Pakuni]

Back on topic .. so much for Wojo to UNLV

@JonRothstein: Sources: South Dakota State's T.J. Otzelberger has emerged as a primary candidate for the head coaching vacancy at UNLV. Runnin Rebels hope to have a head coach hired by the end of the week.

[4everwarriors]

Wojo ta SDSU, hey?

[MU82]

Tim Miles...was fired at Nebraska today..In 2017-2018 they were 22-11 and were left out of the NCAA's when many thought they would make it...This year they were 19-17 and had it not been for the inury to Copeland, they make the NCAA's..Nebraska has had only two winning conference records BXII/B10 in the 21st century...why was he fired??

Bryce Drew- Got three years at Vandy...made NCAA's his first year there, with a mostly Senior laden class...regressed the next year, and had a disaster of a year this year after losing 1st round NBA pick Darius Garland...3 years...fired. Why was he fired??


Let's put it this way..Let's say you TAMU own a business...and for a stretch of years from 2008-2014, your business was at levels you hadn't seen in many years..Your product had an identity, more and more people were starting to notice, you were making more $$ than you ever had..You were close to becoming in an elite group of manufacturers...this was all due to a new plant manager you had brought in to replace one that left for a better opportunity...But this plant manager had business booming...then because of some bad publicity(that was never bad nationally only in an isolated local area), you got scared...and you started making life harder and harder for this plant manager, putting restrictions on what he could do etc...only your business was as good as it had ever been..well you were hoping he'd leave because you were worried if your "brand" could withstand a little bad publicity(again only locally).

You got your wish...he left...so you decided to bring in someone more clean cut, but inexperienced to take over your plant manager duties..5 years later, your business hasn't gotten significantly better, certainly nowhere near the levels it had been at under the previous pant manager..No one nationally talks about/raves about your product the way they once did..your product has dipped from those days, the quality isn't as good, and there's no guarantees it will ever be at that level again under this plant manager..he's had 5 years...you now have to ask yourself, how many more years of this can you afford before your business becomes irrelevant and gets passed by other companies that produce better results from the same product?? If you don't act soon..it could all crumble down and you lose it all....so what do you do?? Do you take a chance by firing this plant manager, and "reorganizing" and bring in someone else that almost certainly would produce no worse then the same results, or do you let him stay for another couple years and risk losing your business entirely??

You want to be the company that was "on top of the world" or close to it, just a few years ago..that's what you want to be again, you have now been passed by companies of the same size and stature, and even some lessor ones, their product is better then yours now. What are you going to do??

Cool. But only somebody who desperately wants to get rid of a coach would look at a 3-year stretch of NCAA-NIT-NCAA ... with the latter including a 2nd-place finish and a 5-seed ... and with everybody coming back ... and with a good transfer becoming eligible ... and with a key injured player coming back ... and with at least one good recruit already on the hook ... and with near sellout crowds at an NBA arena most games ... and with a team full of kids who have represented the university perfectly ... and say, "You know, that guy needs to be fired."

guru, you don't like Wojo, you are convinced he is a failure and will always be a failure, and you desperately want to get rid of him.

So yes, YOU would fire him. ADs aren't anonymous interwebs fans, thankfully.

None of the coaches that have been fired these last 2-3 weeks are coming off a season like we just did. Not one of them.

And finally, for somebody who doesn't want to hear anybody make any "excuses" for Wojo, you sure are willing to make excuses for Miles, Drew and any other coach who isn't named Wojo.

So are we about "no excuses" or aren't we?

[Jay Bee]

Tim Miles...was fired at Nebraska today..In 2017-2018 they were 22-11 and were left out of the NCAA's when many thought they would make it...This year they were 19-17 and had it not been for the inury to Copeland, they make the NCAA's..Nebraska has had only two winning conference records BXII/B10 in the 21st century...why was he fired??

#FakeNews #Lies

Nebraska was doomed heading into the season and had started the tank before IC went down. Combined with the weak recruiting, Miles wasn’t gonna be the answer to their desires.

[muguru]

Cool. But only somebody who desperately wants to get rid of a coach would look at a 3-year stretch of NCAA-NIT-NCAA ... with the latter including a 2nd-place finish and a 5-seed ... and with everybody coming back ... and with a good transfer becoming eligible ... and with a key injured player coming back ... and with at least one good recruit already on the hook ... and with near sellout crowds at an NBA arena most games ... and with a team full of kids who have represented the university perfectly ... and say, "You know, that guy needs to be fired."

guru, you don't like Wojo, you are convinced he is a failure and will always be a failure, and you desperately want to get rid of him.

So yes, YOU would fire him. ADs aren't anonymous interwebs fans, thankfully.

None of the coaches that have been fired these last 2-3 weeks are coming off a season like we just did. Not one of them.

And finally, for somebody who doesn't want to hear anybody make any "excuses" for Wojo, you sure are willing to make excuses for Miles, Drew and any other coach who isn't named Wojo.

So are we about "no excuses" or aren't we?

I'm not making excuses for them...I don't care if they got fired or not...all I'm asking is...why people think they got fired?? I'm 99% sure it was because they weren't meeting those schools expectations. Right or wrong..they weren't.

Look...My biggest issue with Wojo is his lack of in game adjustments..Can we compromise?? If I'm 100% honest...I'd be more than happy to see Wojo stay(I like his recruiting)...IF he is willing to acknowledge this might be a weakness of his and find a veteran asst Coach to help with X's and O's, in game stuff etc. Sound good??