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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: wadesworld on November 13, 2020, 03:09:22 PM
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Who do you have your favorite team taking? And who do you want them taking? Is Markus getting drafted?
I think the Bucks trade their pick, but if they’re making the pick I’d like to see Josh Green or Cole Anthony fall to 24. If they don’t I wouldn’t hate Desmond Bane or Jalen Smith.
I think Markus gets drafted around 50.
If I were at the top of the draft I’d want Avdia or Edwards, and I think Nesmith could be the steal of the draft.
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Id honestly prefer Tre Jones over Cole Anthony, especially with the eye to the Bucks potentially keeping Giannis. Elite defender, calm on the ball, consistent. Anthony has more upside but he had stretches this year where he was selfish and awful.
I think the Euro prospects are exceptional this year. Avdjia looks really nice. Could be a modern, higher upside Detlef Schrempf. Killian Hayes could be really solid too. Nice mix of Euro and American influences. Great size.
Honestly, he gets a bad rap cause of his family, but I think Lamelo Ball's upside is amazing. I think getting away from Dad in Australia for a year really helped him. His size is Penny Hardaway-esque for the PG position. He still needs bit stronger outside shot, but his stroke is way better than Lonzo's
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Who do you have your favorite team taking? And who do you want them taking? Is Markus getting drafted?
I think the Bucks trade their pick, but if they’re making the pick I’d like to see Josh Green or Cole Anthony fall to 24. If they don’t I wouldn’t hate Desmond Bane or Jalen Smith.
I think Markus gets drafted around 50.
If I were at the top of the draft I’d want Avdia or Edwards, and I think Nesmith could be the steal of the draft.
I agree Anthony or Bane would be good.
Very late 2nd round for Markus
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I agree Anthony or Bane would be good.
Very late 2nd round for Markus
This, I think 50 is a bit optimistic.
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50 is Atlanta, 51 is the Warriors, 55 is the Nets. All 3 could potentially be interesting spots for an undersized pure shooter. Steve Nash and D’Antoni in Brooklyn could be intriguing. D’Antoni picked up and coached Chris Clemons in Houston is basically was an inferior version of Markus in college at Campbell. Obviously just pure speculation
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Would like to see Markus get drafted by a quality organization. He is a hard working good kid who will make the most of the opportunity.
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I'll be waiting by the phone like I do every time the draft rolls around. This is my year, I can feel it.
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Would like to see Markus get drafted by a quality organization. He is a hard working good kid who will make the most of the opportunity.
Heat
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I was hoping Kira Lewis would slip to the Bucks, but his stock shot up to late lottery.
Desmond Bane is my hope if the Bucks keep the pick.
Markus could go anywhere from 45 to undrafted. 2nd round picks are just so unpredictable.
I think we see a lot of trades in the lottery. There isn't a surefire talent or great fit for Minnesota at #1. Golden State either trades for a vet or moves down for a shooter. I think Charlotte wants Wiseman and tries to move up. Ball worked out for Detroit; they might move up from 7, possibly flipping spots with Golden State. Atlanta wants to move #6. Half of the top 10 could change hands.
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Heat
Markus and Herro can commiserate about Joey not wanting to play with them.
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I was hoping Kira Lewis would slip to the Bucks, but his stock shot up to late lottery.
Desmond Bane is my hope if the Bucks keep the pick.
Markus could go anywhere from 45 to undrafted. 2nd round picks are just so unpredictable.
I think we see a lot of trades in the lottery. There isn't a surefire talent or great fit for Minnesota at #1. Golden State either trades for a vet or moves down for a shooter. I think Charlotte wants Wiseman and tries to move up. Ball worked out for Detroit; they might move up from 7, possibly flipping spots with Golden State. Atlanta wants to move #6. Half of the top 10 could change hands.
Much talk in Charlotte about the Hornets wanting Wiseman. The beat writer for the Observer, who is very plugged in, says there has been discussion about trading up. But the GM (Kupchak) doesn't want to mortgage the future by giving up numerous draft picks and/or young players, so nothing might happen. It's possible that Wiseman might fall to them anyway. I sure was impressed with him the 2 games I saw him play for Memphis; he even has a chance to develop a 3, like Bosh did. That's who he kind of reminds me of.
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Jrue Holiday to the Bucks.
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Much talk in Charlotte about the Hornets wanting Wiseman. The beat writer for the Observer, who is very plugged in, says there has been discussion about trading up. But the GM (Kupchak) doesn't want to mortgage the future by giving up numerous draft picks and/or young players, so nothing might happen. It's possible that Wiseman might fall to them anyway. I sure was impressed with him the 2 games I saw him play for Memphis; he even has a chance to develop a 3, like Bosh did. That's who he kind of reminds me of.
I was at the Oregon game and was not impressed with Wiseman. Most of his stats came after Oregon had taken control. Achuwa was the UM player who impressed me the most that day Just my viewpoint but it was only one game.
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Jrue Holiday to the Bucks.
If Giannis stays, this trade is brilliant.
If Giannis leaves, Milwaukee will be very bad for a long time. Though could be worth it if it results in a championship.
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If Giannis stays, this trade is brilliant.
If Giannis leaves, Milwaukee will be very bad for a long time. Though could be worth it if it results in a championship.
It’s a terrible trade by the Bucks, no matter what Giannis does.
You have to hope Holiday picks up his player option for ‘21, even if he does, he’ll be gone after two years.
You are all in now if you are the Bucks. Unless they trade Middleton for 20 cents on the dollar, they now have no future assets to make any moves. Even if the three first rounders and two swaps are in the 20’s, this trade and giving up DiVincenzo in the Bogdanovich trade means they have zero flexibility moving forward.
I admire them putting all their chips in, but that was way too much for a 30 year old with a year left on his deal.
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This was a great night and a great deal for the Bucks. The fact of the matter is if Giannis left the Bucks were going to be mediocre and right back to fighting for the 8 seed every year like under Herb Kohl. Their absolute only chance of keeping Giannis (aka staying relevant for any part of the next decade) was to upgrade. To go from a starting backcourt if Bledsoe/Wes (love you but...)/Middleton to Holiday/Bogdonovic/Middleton is a ginormous upgrade. When Bogdonovic and Lopez are your #s 4 and 5 you’re in a really good spot.
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Bucks have a window and that window is now. Building for 2022-23 is for teams without a superstar. It may not work. This isn’t the Jennings/Bogut Bucks. You go all in.
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Does the Bucks trade make it more or less likely that Wes Matthews exercises his player option to stay with the Bucks.
I think it is helpful for MU to have Wes on the Bucks.
Also if Giannias signs the max contract, I think the Heat don’t have to hold back anymore and can offer Jae the long term contract he wants .
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Does the Bucks trade make it more or less likely that Wes Matthews exercises his player option to stay with the Bucks.
I think it is helpful for MU to have Wes on the Bucks.
Also if Giannias signs the max contract, I think the Heat don’t have to hold back anymore and can offer Jae the long term contract he wants .
Wes opted out.
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Great move by the Bucks, whether #34 stays or leave. Got rid of "just of bunch of guys." In a twisted way, I could see Howard getting a real look by the Bucks as a free agent. They will need to fill their bench with some minimum contracts, hey?
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Extremely interesting moves by the Bucks.
Most of the time, I love it when a team goes for it, and I do really like these moves. I was a little surprised they had to give up 3 firsts for Holiday, but what the hell. Were I a Bucks fan, I wouldn't be especially concerned about any of the spare parts they gave up, though they now have to prove they know how to spot good, cheap role players to make valuable contributions.
I agree with what wades says about the Bucks slipping into mediocrity (or worse) if Freak leaves. They have a generational talent and they had to do whatever they could, within reason, to win a title with him and to convince him to stay.
To me, these trades appear to be "within reason."
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Does the Bucks trade make it more or less likely that Wes Matthews exercises his player option to stay with the Bucks.
I think it is helpful for MU to have Wes on the Bucks.
Also if Giannias signs the max contract, I think the Heat don’t have to hold back anymore and can offer Jae the long term contract he wants .
Sounds like the Lakers really want him. I think that’s where he ends up
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Deal move by the Bucks, whether #34 stays or leave. Got rid of "just of bunch of guys." In a twisted way, I could see Howard getting a real look by the Bucks as a free agent. They will need to fill their bench with some minimum contracts, hey?
If I have the math right, the Bucks are still about $17M under the $138M hard cap they will have this year.
They are going to need a back up PG with both Hill and Dante gone. Jeff Teague? Brandin Knight? Back up C too.
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The main thing I take away from these moves is that I don't envy Horst being tasked with convincing Giannis to stay. Its such a weird thing - the strategy seems basically to be "Giannis will sign the supermax if the Bucks win the championship, but otherwise, probably not." Because they really made life difficult for themselves after the next couple of seasons with basically none of their recent picks and no future picks. And its hard for me to envision a scenario where the Bucks have the kind of season that convinces Giannis to stay AND Holiday opts in. In that scenario, Holiday has probably had a good enough season that he'll opt out. If Giannis stays, he is kind of cutting off his nose to spite his face a little here.
What makes this so different than other team building is that no one is forcing trades to go play with Giannis in MKE. With any of the other top 20 players in the league, you've got all kinds of social connections and backchanneling, to the point where the GMs are forced to the table by the players with the high level structure of deals already in hand. Horst just kind of has to operate within the traditional bounds of free agency, but building a "superteam" as they are constructed today is largely unavailable to him.
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If I have the math right, the Bucks are still about $17M under the $138M hard cap they will have this year.
They are going to need a back up PG with both Hill and Dante gone. Jeff Teague? Brandin Knight? Back up C too.
Yup, really close. I think there are some incentives in Holiday's deal that makes it slightly lower. Per Kevin Pelton's trade analysis on ESPN.com:
Assuming the team keeps 14 players on its roster and this year's No. 24 pick is sent to the Pelicans, Milwaukee will have about $15.2 million above and beyond players making the veteran's minimum to spend total -- including the first-year salary for Bogdanovic's new contract.
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My guess is that there is back-channeling. You just aren't hearing about it. And that Jrue has already agreed to opt-in. (I feel much more accurate my first point than my second.)
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I think Giannis signs the supermax before Thanksgiving.
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George Hill was their best guard in the playoffs the last two seasons. I love the guy, and am sad to see him go, but this is precisely why you make the deals they did last night.
I also don't think they make these deals without some assurances from 34.
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Here’s the draft pick breakdown of what New Orleans received:
2020 1st
2024 Swap
2025 1st Unprotected
2026 Swap
2027 1st Unprotected
I still admire them going for it, but man that is a truckload for Holiday. Giannis will be in his 30’s by the time the four consecutive swaps/unprotected hit.
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Here’s the draft pick breakdown of what New Orleans received:
2020 1st
2024 Swap
2025 1st Unprotected
2026 Swap
2027 1st Unprotected
I still admire them going for it, but man that is a truckload for Holiday. Giannis will be in his 30’s by the time the four consecutive swaps/unprotected hit.
And this ownership will have flipped the team by then too. But there is no way this franchise is going to regularly compete for NBA titles. Gotta take your shot when its there.
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George Hill was their best guard in the playoffs the last two seasons. I love the guy, and am sad to see him go, but this is precisely why you make the deals they did last night.
I also don't think they make these deals without some assurances from 34.
I love Hill and he was great in the regular season, but he was not very good in the bubble at all. Looked very disinterested in being there, understandably so.
Here’s the draft pick breakdown of what New Orleans received:
2020 1st
2024 Swap
2025 1st Unprotected
2026 Swap
2027 1st Unprotected
I still admire them going for it, but man that is a truckload for Holiday. Giannis will be in his 30’s by the time the four consecutive swaps/unprotected hit.
The Bucks got the #s 42 and 60 picks in Wednesdays draft as well. That's one way to fill a roster cheaply.
The Bucks have been absolutely terrible at drafting. They hit the absolute lottery with Giannis, but otherwise their first round drafting has been a complete disaster, and is why they had to throw in so many picks, because they have no assets. I'm all on board with throwing away draft picks if you're winding up with Thon Maker, Rashad Vaughn, DJ Wilson, and even Donte Divencenzo.
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Here’s the draft pick breakdown of what New Orleans received:
2020 1st
2024 Swap
2025 1st Unprotected
2026 Swap
2027 1st Unprotected
I still admire them going for it, but man that is a truckload for Holiday. Giannis will be in his 30’s by the time the four consecutive swaps/unprotected hit.
Assuming Giannis sticks around long term and remains healthy, these picks don't hold a lot of value. It is a lot to give up, but if this is what it takes to keep Giannis in Milwaukee, then it's worth it.
And if at some point the indications are that Giannis wants out, the Bucks can recoup this draft capital - and I would guess even more - by dealing him.
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Definitely getting some Mr. Irrelevant vibes for Markus’ draft stock with the Bucks now at #60
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The Bucks have been absolutely terrible at drafting. They hit the absolute lottery with Giannis, but otherwise their first round drafting has been a complete disaster, and is why they had to throw in so many picks, because they have no assets. I'm all on board with throwing away draft picks if you're winding up with Thon Maker, Rashad Vaughn, DJ Wilson, and even Donte Divencenzo.
Under Horst, they have really only picked three guys. 2017 - DJ Wilson (bad), Sterling Brown (decent), 2018 - Donte (decent)
Donte is good enough to be trade fodder. That's what most mid to late first round picks end up being anyway.
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Definitely getting some Mr. Irrelevant vibes for Markus’ draft stock with the Bucks now at #60
I hope so! I have no idea why I feel this way, but I think he is gone by then, and I think it's closer to the Bucks #42 pick than it is their #60 pick.
Under Horst, they have really only picked three guys. 2017 - DJ Wilson (bad), Sterling Brown (decent), 2018 - Donte (decent)
Donte is good enough to be trade fodder. That's what most mid to late first round picks end up being anyway.
Agreed. Donte was a solid pick, and had most of our failed first round picks been what he is the Bucks would've been in much better position to make trades without mortgaging literally everything they have.
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I love Hill and he was great in the regular season, but he was not very good in the bubble at all. Looked very disinterested in being there, understandably so.
Right, and he was still better than Bled and Donte.
This will also be a pretty big test for Budenholzer... short window to build chemistry with a new roster.
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Under Horst, they have really only picked three guys. 2017 - DJ Wilson (bad), Sterling Brown (decent), 2018 - Donte (decent)
Donte is good enough to be trade fodder. That's what most mid to late first round picks end up being anyway.
Those picks look a little worse when you consider John Collins went two picks after DJ Wilson and Kevin Huerter went two picks after DiVincenzo.
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Those picks look a little worse when you consider John Collins went two picks after DJ Wilson and Kevin Huerter went two picks after DiVincenzo.
Right. They haven't been perfect by any means, but they haven't been terrible under Horst.
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Assume Holiday re-up’s and agrees to a contract extension. Hypothetically, he’d be looking at conservatively $30 mil per starting in ‘22.
Let’s say it’s an even $30 mil in ‘22. With a Giannis super max and a hypothetical 4 year $70 mil extension for Bogdanovic, the Bucks in ‘22 will have $128 mil committed to 4 players. Brook Lopez will be on an expiring deal that season at $14. That’s five players at $142 mil.
They’d be above the $140 mil tax threshold and filling out the roster would push them past the salary cap apron.
Again, I admire them going all in now, I get it. Their window is two years with this group, and then it can get really ugly.
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Assume Holiday re-up’s and agrees to a contract extension. Hypothetically, he’d be looking at conservatively $30 mil per starting in ‘22.
Let’s say it’s an even $30 mil in ‘22. With a Giannis super max and a hypothetical 4 year $70 mil extension for Bogdanovic, the Bucks in ‘22 will have $128 mil committed to 4 players. Brook Lopez will be on an expiring deal that season at $14. That’s five players at $142 mil.
They’d be above the $140 mil tax threshold and filling out the roster would push them past the salary cap apron.
Again, I admire them going all in now, I get it. Their window is two years with this group, and then it can get really ugly.
I really don't see it getting all that ugly. If Giannis signs the supermax he's here for 6 years (including this one). Any team with Giannis is going to be a top 4 seed in the East even if you surround him with garbage. He just plays way, way harder than anyone cares to stop in the regular season. If he gets tired of shouldering the weight of the franchise by himself just to lose in the 2nd and 3rd round every year, you're getting a heck of a lot more back for him than you gave up for Jrue Holiday.
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I really don't see it getting all that ugly. If Giannis signs the supermax he's here for 6 years (including this one). Any team with Giannis is going to be a top 4 seed in the East even if you surround him with garbage. He just plays way, way harder than anyone cares to stop in the regular season. If he gets tired of shouldering the weight of the franchise by himself just to lose in the 2nd and 3rd round every year, you're getting a heck of a lot more back for him than you gave up for Jrue Holiday.
He is going to get old. He takes a lot of abuse
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Again, I admire them going all in now, I get it. Their window is two years with this group, and then it can get really ugly.
Well, if it gets ugly after 2022, what's a 27-year-old Giannis - with four years of control - worth on the trade market?
My guess is the deal would be at least equal to, and probably better than, what the Pelicans got for AD (i.e. two young starters, multiple unprotected firsts).
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He is going to get old. He takes a lot of abuse
He'll be 32 by the end of that deal. Professional athletes do not decline that drastically at that age. I'll go on record and say he's still a top 5 player in the world at age 32 (obviously barring some catastrophic injury).
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Giannis' game is all attack. Lots of eurostepping in traffic, hard fouls, etc.
LeBron developing his perimeter game added years to the back end of his career. I hope Giannis can do the same.
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He is going to get old. He takes a lot of abuse
League history is rife with top power forwards who remained elite into their early 30s, i.e. Tim Duncan, Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, Kevin Garnett.
You could get unlucky with injuries, but there's no reason to think his play is otherwise going to fall off dramatically once he hits 30.
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Giannis' game is all attack. Lots of eurostepping in traffic, hard fouls, etc.
LeBron developing his perimeter game added years to the back end of his career. I hope Giannis can do the same.
This was mostly my point. And Giannis is far thinner than Lebron... and any of the guys Pak mentioned... except maybe KG
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Here’s the draft pick breakdown of what New Orleans received:
2020 1st
2024 Swap
2025 1st Unprotected
2026 Swap
2027 1st Unprotected
I still admire them going for it, but man that is a truckload for Holiday. Giannis will be in his 30’s by the time the four consecutive swaps/unprotected hit.
Grooooannnnnn. I hate the idea of trading unprotected picks, ever, for any reason. And that far into the future is... oof.
Do you really not get Jrue Holiday if you make those picks top three protected? Hell, top one protected? I had thought that was basically the standard now since New Jersey traded their franchise's future for what was left of Boston's championship teams. If the answer is no, is Jrue Holiday so much the guy that you risk a future phenom (who is currently 12-14 years old) to get him? I like going for it as much as the next guy, but the unprotected nature of those picks make it hard for me to believe this was the best/only way to do it.
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Bucks could probably do worse than adding Jamil Wilson.
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Giannis' game is all attack. Lots of eurostepping in traffic, hard fouls, etc.
It's becoming less and less so. Compare his shot map last year to where it was just a couple of years ago.
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/giannis-shot-chart-by-season
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Grooooannnnnn. I hate the idea of trading unprotected picks, ever, for any reason. And that far into the future is... oof.
Do you really not get Jrue Holiday if you make those picks top three protected? Hell, top one protected? I had thought that was basically the standard now since New Jersey traded their franchise's future for what was left of Boston's championship teams. If the answer is no, is Jrue Holiday so much the guy that you risk a future phenom (who is currently 12-14 years old) to get him? I like going for it as much as the next guy, but the unprotected nature of those picks make it hard for me to believe this was the best/only way to do it.
Everyone knew the Bucks had to make a move, so they were going to make them pay.
And by the time the bad part of the trade comes back to haunt the franchise, Horst will be President of the Knicks or something like that.
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Supermaxing Giannis is the easiest move in franchise history. Hell, he's going to get ANOTHER monster deal after this one.
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Also, the CBA is going to change, and if the one and done rule is eliminated, it makes future draft picks more valuable. The financial ramifications of the salary cap structure are too unknown right now due to Covid (there’s a scenario where signing Holiday to an extension now helps the Bucks down the road).
It’s a really interesting trade, I personally don’t like it from a Bucks standpoint, but no question they are a legit title contender again in ‘21. In the end it’s about winning a title.
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Also, the CBA is going to change, and if the one and done rule is eliminated, it makes future draft picks more valuable
Why?
To me, it seems that if anything, it's going to create more draft misses.
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Why?
To me, it seems that if anything, it's going to create more draft misses.
I don’t disagree with you on the misses, but if high school players were eligible this draft, high schoolers would be at worst the top 4 picks this year easily. More supply = higher demand.
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Back up C too.
If they want a rim protector and decent rebounder with a limited offensive game, as well as a very good team guy, they could do a lot worse than Biyombo. On the open market. Probably pretty cheap.
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I don’t disagree with you on the misses, but if high school players were eligible this draft, high schoolers would be at worst the top 4 picks this year easily. More supply = higher demand.
I get what you're saying but isn't that just a one-time shift forward of talent redounding to a single draft? After that initial change it's still the same yearly pools more or less, with more variance on outcomes based on worse evaluation comps (I'm in favor of letting players declare out of high school regardless).
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If I have the math right, the Bucks are still about $17M under the $138M hard cap they will have this year.
They are going to need a back up PG with both Hill and Dante gone. Jeff Teague? Brandin Knight? Back up C too.
I know a guy that would come cheap, is familiar with the Fiserv, and could can open threes off the spacing & gravity Giannis creates...
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I don’t disagree with you on the misses, but if high school players were eligible this draft, high schoolers would be at worst the top 4 picks this year easily. More supply = higher demand.
But wouldn't that added supply last for just one year? The draft pool would have an additional class in it for the first year high schools are eligible (let's say 2022). But those same high schoolers won't be the one-and-dones of 2023. There are a finite number of kids who will qualify for either group. If there are 10 high school-to-pro kids in the 2022 Draft, that's 10 fewer potential one-and-dones in 2023.
Not trying to be argumentative, but what am I missing?
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Bucks could probably do worse than adding Jamil Wilson.
I love this idea
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I know a guy that would come cheap, is familiar with the Fiserv, and could can open threes off the spacing & gravity Giannis creates...
I actually think that might be a possibility.
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If I have the math right, the Bucks are still about $17M under the $138M hard cap they will have this year.
They are going to need a back up PG with both Hill and Dante gone. Jeff Teague? Brandin Knight? Back up C too.
Could just ask Larry Sanders to earn the salary they're still paying him, eh?
I think you watch the old Bud connections, which include Teague (Bucks were in on him a couple contracts ago too) and Millsap. It won't happen, but I would LOVE to see the Bucks chase Dragic with a multi-year deal under the MLE. I read the Heat are offering him a one year 15M deal, but he could make more in total with a multi-year. He is also comfortable off the bench.
I think there is an outside chance the Bucks get Wes back for a bit more per year and multiple years. And if I were fashioning my ideal lineup, it still has Wes starting at the 2 with Bogdonovic as your heater off the bench. I think we underestimate what Wes' defense did for Middleton's offense.
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They're paying Jon Leuer twice as much as they are paying Sanders.
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But wouldn't that added supply last for just one year? The draft pool would have an additional class in it for the first year high schools are eligible (let's say 2022). But those same high schoolers won't be the one-and-dones of 2023. There are a finite number of kids who will qualify for either group. If there are 10 high school-to-pro kids in the 2022 Draft, that's 10 fewer potential one-and-dones in 2023.
Not trying to be argumentative, but what am I missing?
Yeah, I think where I was coming from is more kids will take chances in coming out early to add to the top of the draft pool. But you are absolutely right, the net net is those kids are in the draft pool at some point. In my head, I think it made sense, but yes, you are absolutely correct.
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Wes opted out.
Per this article, I think the Bucks still have the ability to be the highest bidder if they want Wes to return.
https://madison.com/wsj/sports/basketball/professional/bucks-guard-wesley-matthews-declines-his-2-7-million-player-option/article_aa0fc45a-6557-56bc-b236-b4b926f7c89d.html
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Everyone knew the Bucks had to make a move, so they were going to make them pay.
And by the time the bad part of the trade comes back to haunt the franchise, Horst will be President of the Knicks or something like that.
Everything is irrelevant if they don't sign GA. So, if they do, then those 1st round picks are fairly unimportant as they will all be in the 25-30 range.
There was almost zero chance the Bucks could ever win a title with the backcourt that they had the last couple years. I think these moves make them the favorite to win the East next year. I also think it makes Markus Howard a strong possibility to stay in Milwaukee. Late 2nd round will be used on the best 3 point shooter available.
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Wouldn’t be surprised to see them take Tyshon Alexander at 42.
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I know a guy that would come cheap, is familiar with the Fiserv, and could can open threes off the spacing & gravity Giannis creates...
Diener? Markus? Novak? Rowsey?
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Bring Sam Dekkker home
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Hmmm...
Jake @jakeweingarten
The Bucks acquired two second-round selections from the Pelicans.
One source told @stockrisers that Marquette’s Markus Howard is one of the prospects they’re interested in.
Can the Bucks snag him in the second-round and keep him close to his alma mater?
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Wouldn’t be surprised to see them take Tyshon Alexander at 42.
I would be absolutely stunned if they took Tyshon at 42 or at 60.
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Hmmm...
Jake @jakeweingarten
The Bucks acquired two second-round selections from the Pelicans.
One source told @stockrisers that Marquette’s Markus Howard is one of the prospects they’re interested in.
Can the Bucks snag him in the second-round and keep him close to his alma mater?
(https://i.imgur.com/7drHiqr.gif)
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But wouldn't that added supply last for just one year? The draft pool would have an additional class in it for the first year high schools are eligible (let's say 2022). But those same high schoolers won't be the one-and-dones of 2023. There are a finite number of kids who will qualify for either group. If there are 10 high school-to-pro kids in the 2022 Draft, that's 10 fewer potential one-and-dones in 2023.
Not trying to be argumentative, but what am I missing?
The NBA scaled back to 2 rounds in 1989. At the time the NBA had 3-4 foreign players, now they have 100+. You could argue that draft picks are less valuable bc more supply equals greater chance of finding talent in free agency. Does Wesley go undrafted in 1986?
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Sixers managed to dump Al Horford's very bad contract ($81 million over next three seasons) on OKC, but it cost them a first and a second to do it.
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Sixers managed to dump Al Horford's very bad contract ($81 million over next three seasons) on OKC, but it cost them a first and a second to do it.
Is this part of trusting The Process?
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Is this part of trusting The Process?
The process was fired four years ago.
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So yeah, this seems relevant.
Stupid Kings
https://twitter.com/bleacherreport/status/1329190581042548743?s=21
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So yeah, this seems relevant.
Stupid Kings
https://twitter.com/bleacherreport/status/1329190581042548743?s=21
Someone wants a bigger contract.
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So yeah, this seems relevant.
Stupid Kings
https://twitter.com/bleacherreport/status/1329190581042548743?s=21
This may have to do with the Bucks trying to avoid tampering charges more than anything
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Assuming Klay Thompson tore his right Achilles based on the reports of a “not good lower right leg injury”.
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Assuming Klay Thompson tore his right Achilles based on the reports of a “not good lower right leg injury”.
Lamelo now maybe goes 2, so Steph plays off ball?
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This may have to do with the Bucks trying to avoid tampering charges more than anything
I'm hoping so, but knowing the Bucks, this will fall through.
The other possibility is that Giannis told him he's not going to sign an extension and he got cold feet.
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Assuming Klay Thompson tore his right Achilles based on the reports of a “not good lower right leg injury”.
Wonder if this is a reason for the news out of Sacramento.
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How did Woj and others wiff on Halliburton?
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How did Woj and others wiff on Halliburton?
Classic late bloomer. Wisconsin never offered him either. Three star ranked around 170. Overlooked within the state in the same class as Herro, Joey and McCabe.
Also played for a low level AAU team.
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I'm hoping so, but knowing the Bucks, this will fall through.
The other possibility is that Giannis told him he's not going to sign an extension and he got cold feet.
After further thought, I think I’m wrong
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LaMelo Ball goes to Charlotte. Now Lavar can get his one on one game with MJ.
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/08/lavar-ball-michael-jordan-1-on-1
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Based on what I’ve seen, I like LaMelo as a Hornet.
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I think Wiseman to Golden State is a terrific pick and fit, hey?
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I think Wiseman to Golden State is a terrific pick and fit, hey?
It would seem. Hornets wanted him but I was pretty sure GS wouldn’t pass on him.
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This is a pretty weak draft, holy cow.
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Based on what I’ve seen, I like LaMelo as a Hornet.
He gets unfairly profiled cause of his obnoxious Dad, but from all reports he grew up ALOT as a player and a person during his time in Australia. And in doing so, he’s become a hell of a player. I watched a couple games and he’s REALLY good. Say what you want about Lavar, but he raised and trained 2 top 3 draft picks. That’s pretty incredible
Bulls reached quite a bit for Williams IMO
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I think people will look back and wonder how Bey lasted until 19.
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Y kant wee bee like Villanova, hey?
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14 more chances for Markus to get drafted.
Woj has reported through pick 46
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Markus isn’t getting drafted fellas
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Myles Powell showing up in Bilas’ best available right now is a joke.
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Gonna be tough for Markus to get taken when teams are picking rando's named Yam Madar
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Gonna be tough for Markus to get taken when teams are picking rando's named Yam Madar
I just read something on NBA.com that describes Yam as “a quick and shifty Israeli point guard.“
Sounds like a modern-day Niv Berkowitz.
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Merrill goes to Bucks at 60, Howard undrafted.
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Howard signs a two way with Denver.
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I do take solace in the fact that Myles Powell went undrafted and Markus was signed before him.
Dude is just so unlikeable.
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He gets unfairly profiled cause of his obnoxious Dad, but from all reports he grew up ALOT as a player and a person during his time in Australia. And in doing so, he’s become a hell of a player. I watched a couple games and he’s REALLY good. Say what you want about Lavar, but he raised and trained 2 top 3 draft picks. That’s pretty incredible
Bulls reached quite a bit for Williams IMO
Eh. After the top 3 the next 6-8 picks were basically interchangeable. Karnisovas deserves the benefit of the doubt based on his history. Might as well swing for the fences.
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Merrill goes to Bucks at 60, Howard undrafted.
Legendary pick.
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Legendary pick.
I see what you did there, and I love it.
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What happened with that Creighton guy Tyshon Alexander? Thought he was a sure fire pick? Also Paul reed has got to be kicking himself right now. He passed on perhaps being a part of a legit Depaul team to get drafted in the low low second round?
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Bulls reached quite a bit for Williams IMO
Obviously time will tell whether he was worth the #4 selection, but it definitely wasn't a reach by "quite a bit." Williams was a big mover the past couple of weeks, which really means that he was going this high, it just wasn't until recently that the people who cover the draft found out. A couple of late mocks yesterday had him going to the Bulls.
Add that to the fact that there were no trades in the lottery - i.e. very little interest from anyone in moving up in the draft - it seems the Bulls didn't have the option of moving down a bit and still drafting Williams. So, if you can't move down and Williams is your guy, you take him where you are.
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What happened with that Creighton guy Tyshon Alexander? Thought he was a sure fire pick? Also Paul reed has got to be kicking himself right now. He passed on perhaps being a part of a legit Depaul team to get drafted in the low low second round?
And with DePaul cheating now, it might be a pay cut. I wonder if the risk of high school grads being eligible made him jump early. I don’t know if a second rounder gets any more priority than an undrafted free agent, but might have been trying to beat a deep draft.
Granted, I think the latest is the one and done is probably staying for another year.
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Fun Fact....Halliburton's former high school coach at Oshkosh North, Frank Schade, also played for the Kings, while they were in Kansas City.
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Playing another year at DePaul or being a second round draft choice. To me, that's not a hard decision.
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I do take solace in the fact that Myles Powell went undrafted and Markus was signed before him.
Dude is just so unlikeable.
Not just unlikeable, but the weird cult of personality surrounding him. You look at the tweet about Markus’ deal and there is a bunch of people like “now announce Powell!l. It’s so bizarre
Obviously time will tell whether he was worth the #4 selection, but it definitely wasn't a reach by "quite a bit." Williams was a big mover the past couple of weeks, which really means that he was going this high, it just wasn't until recently that the people who cover the draft found out. A couple of late mocks yesterday had him going to the Bulls.
Add that to the fact that there were no trades in the lottery - i.e. very little interest from anyone in moving up in the draft - it seems the Bulls didn't have the option of moving down a bit and still drafting Williams. So, if you can't move down and Williams is your guy, you take him where you are.
The trades are a fair point. When I posted that, I assumed they could have moved down and got him at 10-12. But the lack of movement anywhere shows that’s probably not true. Thus, like you said, if they are really sold on him, grab him.
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I do take solace in the fact that Myles Powell went undrafted and Markus was signed before him.
Dude is just so unlikeable.
Neither sticks in the league for more than three years, if that.
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Big East had two picks, Bey and Reed.
Powell just signed with Knicks, not known if two way or just a camp invite contract.
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Merrill goes to Bucks at 60, Howard undrafted.
Take the 6'4" shooter over the 5'10" shooter.
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Take the 6'4" shooter over the 5'10" shooter.
Yep, unfortunately. If Markus was even 6’3, he’s a sure fire first round pick, maybe a borderline lottery guy.
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Take the 6'4" shooter over the 5'10" shooter.
Calling Powell a shooter is a bit generous. He shoots a lot. Doesn’t make a lot.
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Big East had two picks, Bey and Reed.
Powell just signed with Knicks, not known if two way or just a camp invite contract.
Camp invite contract.
https://nypost.com/2020/11/19/myles-powell-signing-with-knicks-after-nba-draft/
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Romaro Gill with camp invite contract to the Jazz
https://www.nj.com/setonhall/2020/11/nba-draft-2020-seton-halls-myles-powell-to-sign-with-knicks-romaro-gill-to-sign-with-jazz.html
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Ty Shon Alexander with a Two Way with the Suns
https://gocreighton.com/news/2020/11/19/mens-basketball-ty-shon-alexander-joins-nba-ranks.aspx
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Bucks cut Ersan, which means the Bogdonovic trade is officially dead.
So the Bucks roster is Jrue, Donte, Khris, Giannis, Brook, DJ, Thanasis, and draft picks 45 and 60 in a week draft, and a 2 way contract undrafted free agent rookie. With only the midlevel exception to sign someone and then veteran minimums to fill out the roster. Excellent.
Giannis should ask to be traded to Dallas tonight.
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Bucks cut Ersan, which means the Bogdonovic trade is officially dead.
So the Bucks roster is Jrue, Donte, Khris, Giannis, Brook, DJ, Thanasis, and draft picks 45 and 60 in a week draft, and a 2 way contract undrafted free agent rookie. With only the midlevel exception to sign someone and then veteran minimums to fill out the roster. Excellent.
Giannis should ask to be traded to Dallas tonight.
I’m going to hold out hope until he officially goes somewhere Friday, but I’m an optimist. Hopefully it can still be done without Ersan. It certainly doesn’t look good though.
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You have to think there's a reason they waived Ersan. There was zero reason for them to do that if their plan was to stand pat.
A theory is that the Bucks are going to straight up sign Bogdan as a RFA, and they need the cap space to put the offer sheet under the cap so that is the reason they waived him now. Then Sacramento matches and a trade of some sort still goes through.
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I’m going to hold out hope until he officially goes somewhere Friday, but I’m an optimist. Hopefully it can still be done without Ersan. It certainly doesn’t look good though.
You have to think there's a reason they waived Ersan. There was zero reason for them to do that if their plan was to stand pat.
A theory is that the Bucks are going to straight up sign Bogdan as a RFA, and they need the cap space to put the offer sheet under the cap so that is the reason they waived him now. Then Sacramento matches and a trade of some sort still goes through.
If I'm understanding this correctly (and I have no idea how some of the NBA cap stuff works and trades, etc., so I may be very off base here), the Bucks are over the cap with a Bogdonovic deal so they needed to match the salary (within a certain percentage) that he would be getting, which is why Ersan was needed in the trade. That part I am less certain on. The part I am nearly positive on is that he can't be traded to the team that signs him to an offer sheet. And another part I'm not certain on is that the Bucks only have the mid level exception, and Bogdonovic will get a contract larger than that.
My understanding is the only way they could get Bogdonovic is through a sign and trade that matched salaries. They needed Ersan's salary to make that work. Now they would need to include Brook to make salaries match.
Again, I could be totally off base because all the salary cap and matching salaries makes no sense to me.
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If I'm understanding this correctly (and I have no idea how some of the NBA cap stuff works and trades, etc., so I may be very off base here), the Bucks are over the cap with a Bogdonovic deal so they needed to match the salary (within a certain percentage) that he would be getting, which is why Ersan was needed in the trade. That part I am less certain on. The part I am nearly positive on is that he can't be traded to the team that signs him to an offer sheet. And another part I'm not certain on is that the Bucks only have the mid level exception, and Bogdonovic will get a contract larger than that.
My understanding is the only way they could get Bogdonovic is through a sign and trade that matched salaries. They needed Ersan's salary to make that work. Now they would need to include Brook to make salaries match.
Again, I could be totally off base because all the salary cap and matching salaries makes no sense to me.
You are correct that if the Bucks sign him to an offer sheet, and the Kings match, he could not be traded to the Bucks for a year.
But again, there must be a reason they waived Ersan. They must be planning on signing someone.
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You are correct that if the Bucks sign him to an offer sheet, and the Kings match, he could not be traded to the Bucks for a year.
But again, there must be a reason they waived Ersan. They must be planning on signing someone.
I believe even after cutting Ersan they still only have the mid-level exception. Again, not positive on that. But if so, that's a Jeff Teague, Justin Holiday, Wesley Matthews type of player. Not exactly filling the hole you have in that starting lineup.
Pelicans deal still isn't official so the only way I could see Bogdonovic on the Bucks is if they're able to turn it into a 3 team deal or the Bucks include Brook.
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This is all about Bogdan's financial compensation. His agent has the Bucks by the short hairs. Either they pay him or someone else will. Then ther's the whole Giannis thing likely dependent on it happening too. So, yeah the Bucks are fooked, major, aina?
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This is all about Bogdan's financial compensation. His agent has the Bucks by the short hairs. Either they pay him or someone else will. Then ther's the whole Giannis thing likely dependent on it happening too. So, yeah the Bucks are fooked, major, aina?
I mean not really. He's a restricted free agent, so his options aren't unlimited. If a team signs him to an offer sheet...well great. But the Kings can match. And working out a sign and trade means the Kings have to agree to an offer and have the contracts match.
So while he has leverage, he doesn't have THAT much leverage.
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I mean not really. He's a restricted free agent, so his options aren't unlimited. If a team signs him to an offer sheet...well great. But the Kings can match. And working out a sign and trade means the Kings have to agree to an offer and have the contracts match.
So while he has leverage, he doesn't have THAT much leverage.
But he knows how important he is to the Bucks, if for no other reason, because he is a piece used to convience Giannis to sign the supermax. Restricted FAs have a ton of leverage because the offer sheets are almost always drawn up to make matching difficult, so he definitely has everyone where he wants them.
Which makes me want to back up and ask how the hell this happened? Did he give the Kings a # for his sign and trade offer sheet, the Bucks met it, then when he found out it was the Bucks changed the number? Or were the Kings and/or Bucks just assuming he would sign whatever # they factored into the sign and trade without checking with his people?
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Calling Powell a shooter is a bit generous. He shoots a lot. Doesn’t make a lot.
I think he was referring to Sam Merrill, who the Bucks took at #60. You're right that Powell isn't a shooter, but he also isn't 6'4".
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Calling Powell a shooter is a bit generous. He shoots a lot. Doesn’t make a lot.
C'mon, get with the program, Cheebs. ;)
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C'mon, get with the program, Cheebs. ;)
Whoa, I’m losing it.
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But he knows how important he is to the Bucks, if for no other reason, because he is a piece used to convience Giannis to sign the supermax. Restricted FAs have a ton of leverage because the offer sheets are almost always drawn up to make matching difficult, so he definitely has everyone where he wants them.
Which makes me want to back up and ask how the hell this happened? Did he give the Kings a # for his sign and trade offer sheet, the Bucks met it, then when he found out it was the Bucks changed the number? Or were the Kings and/or Bucks just assuming he would sign whatever # they factored into the sign and trade without checking with his people?
If it's true that him and Giannis are good friends, I can't imagine he would let his agent go back and force the Bucks' hand. The rumor is that he said he wanted to play with Giannis and would take less money to do so.
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C'mon, get with the program, Cheebs. ;)
To be fair, Powell is a shooter. He's just not a good shooter.
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To be fair, Powell is a shooter. He's just not a good shooter.
True. More chucker than shooter.
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True. More chucker than shooter.
I’m admittedly a charter member of the Myles Powell Haters Guild, but I found it f-ing hysterical that, as his PR machine rolled the second half of the season and he was touted as this prolific scorer and deadeye shooter, he put up more long jumpers that thudded dead off the backboard or side rim and straight down like Philip Seymour Hoffman in Along Came Polly
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BetOnline.com says LaMelo is early favorite for NBA Rookie of the Year ...
(FWIW, I think I like Toppin for this.)
LaMelo Ball 9/2
Anthony Edwards 5/1
James Wiseman 11/2
Obi Toppin 15/2
Killian Hayes 8/1
Onyeka Okongwu 12/1
Tyrese Haliburton 12/1
Deni Avdija 14/1
Isaac Okoro 16/1
Saddiq Bey 18/1
Aaron Nesmith 25/1
Cole Anthony 25/1
Kira Lewis Jr. 25/1
Patrick Williams 25/1
Devin Vassell 33/1
Tyrese Maxey 33/1
Josh Green 40/1
Precious Achiuwa 40/1
Aleksej Pokusevski 50/1
Jalen Smith 50/1
Malachi Flynn 50/1
R.J. Hampton 50/1
Desmond Bane 66/1
Immanuel Quickley 66/1
Isaiah Stewart 66/1
Nico Mannion 66/1
Udoka Azubuike 66/1
Devon Dotson 80/1
Grant Riller 80/1
Jaden McDaniels 80/1
Payton Pritchard 80/1
Vernon Carey 80/1
Ashton Hagans 100/1
Cassius Stanley 100/1
Cassius Winston 100/1
Charles Bassey 100/1
Filip Petrusev 100/1
Kerry Blackshear Jr. 100/1
Myles Powell 100/1
Nick Richards 100/1
Paul Reed 100/1
Reggie Perry 100/1
Tre Jones 100/1
Tyler Bey 100/1
Xavier Tillman 100/1
Yam Madar 100/1
Yoeli Childs 100/1
Zeke Nnaji 100/1
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BetOnline.com says LaMelo is early favorite for NBA Rookie of the Year ...
(FWIW, I think I like Toppin for this.)
LaMelo Ball 9/2
Anthony Edwards 5/1
James Wiseman 11/2
Obi Toppin 15/2
Killian Hayes 8/1
Onyeka Okongwu 12/1
Tyrese Haliburton 12/1
Deni Avdija 14/1
Isaac Okoro 16/1
Saddiq Bey 18/1
Aaron Nesmith 25/1
Cole Anthony 25/1
Kira Lewis Jr. 25/1
Patrick Williams 25/1
Devin Vassell 33/1
Tyrese Maxey 33/1
Josh Green 40/1
Precious Achiuwa 40/1
Aleksej Pokusevski 50/1
Jalen Smith 50/1
Malachi Flynn 50/1
R.J. Hampton 50/1
Desmond Bane 66/1
Immanuel Quickley 66/1
Isaiah Stewart 66/1
Nico Mannion 66/1
Udoka Azubuike 66/1
Devon Dotson 80/1
Grant Riller 80/1
Jaden McDaniels 80/1
Payton Pritchard 80/1
Vernon Carey 80/1
Ashton Hagans 100/1
Cassius Stanley 100/1
Cassius Winston 100/1
Charles Bassey 100/1
Filip Petrusev 100/1
Kerry Blackshear Jr. 100/1
Myles Powell 100/1
Nick Richards 100/1
Paul Reed 100/1
Reggie Perry 100/1
Tre Jones 100/1
Tyler Bey 100/1
Xavier Tillman 100/1
Yam Madar 100/1
Yoeli Childs 100/1
Zeke Nnaji 100/1
Kerry Blackshear? Isn’t he playing in Israel?
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This is all about Bogdan's financial compensation. His agent has the Bucks by the short hairs. Either they pay him or someone else will. Then ther's the whole Giannis thing likely dependent on it happening too. So, yeah the Bucks are fooked, major, aina?
ruh-roh-i smell a juicy little fine going into the NBA Christmas...err holiday celebration/swear word bowl. ain't these bogdan dudes a dime a bakers dozen? regardless, looks like lasry et.al. were cheating on the take home exam eyn'a? nothing a little caysh can make go away
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-opens-investigation-into-proposed-bogdan-bogdanovic-sign-and-trade-between-bucks-and-kings-per-report/
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Bucks cut Ersan, which means the Bogdonovic trade is officially dead.
So the Bucks roster is Jrue, Donte, Khris, Giannis, Brook, DJ, Thanasis, and draft picks 45 and 60 in a week draft, and a 2 way contract undrafted free agent rookie. With only the midlevel exception to sign someone and then veteran minimums to fill out the roster. Excellent.
Giannis should ask to be traded to Dallas tonight.
https://nypost.com/2020/11/20/nba-investigating-bogdan-bogdanovic-trade-to-bucks-gone-wrong/
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Kerry Blackshear? Isn’t he playing in Israel?
He's got as good of a chance to win NBA ROY from the Ligat HaAl as f-ing Myles Powell on that list. Gimme a break that he even has odds.
As for Toppin, besides the standard Knicks jokes, given Thibs dislike for young players, I wouldnt bank on Toppin being a breakout ROY-level star this year.
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I’m admittedly a charter member of the Myles Powell Haters Guild, but I found it f-ing hysterical that, as his PR machine rolled the second half of the season and he was touted as this prolific scorer and deadeye shooter, he put up more long jumpers that thudded dead off the backboard or side rim and straight down like Philip Seymour Hoffman in Along Came Polly
Rain Dance!!!
Old Skool!!!
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Should the Bucks back out of the Holiday trade if he’s the only player of substance their going to get? There’s no way that’s enough to get them over the hump.
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Should the Bucks back out of the Holiday trade if he’s the only player of substance their going to get? There’s no way that’s enough to get them over the hump.
He's better than Bledsoe. And they have to improve to have Giannis sign the max. And look, they need him around. Otherwise it could be another 30 years of mediocrity.
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He's better than Bledsoe. And they have to improve to have Giannis sign the max. And look, they need him around. Otherwise it could be another 30 years of mediocrity.
If Giannis leaves, I could see the hedge fund boys taking the money from some Seattle dude and cutting bait.
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If Giannis leaves, I could see the hedge fund boys taking the money from some Seattle dude and cutting bait.
Wouldn't surprise me if they did it regardless.
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I think people are underrating how good Jrue is.
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So because they are giving Pat a player option for the second year, that makes his contract part of the MLE. Some think it’s so the owners can’t go into the tax. Others think pure incompetence.
It’s possible the Bogdan trade is still out there since we weren’t able to use the full MLE if that went through. But the salaries don’t match now.
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Should the Bucks back out of the Holiday trade if he’s the only player of substance their going to get? There’s no way that’s enough to get them over the hump.
He’s without question an upgrade over Bledsoe. So they’re already a better team adding him and closer to over the hump.
Just call off the deal, remain status quo, and then what’s the plan? Silly
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I think people are underrating how good Jrue is.
Agree. There’s a good reason he was coveted around the league when NOP put him out as available
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I think people are underrating how good Jrue is.
I say this as someone who is a fan of Jrue Holiday. It’s not that he isn’t good, it’s the value placed on him by Milwaukee.
Taking his name out of it and removing the Bucks out of it...if I said a 30 year old guard, that is a year away from free agency, has some minor elbow and other injury issues, is a one time all star (8 years ago) and has been named first/second team all defense twice in his career...traded for two average NBA players and two unprotected/two swaps/one 1st...it seems high.
Holiday is a very good player, the price the Bucks paid is for a first/second team all NBA player.
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I say this as someone who is a fan of Jrue Holiday. It’s not that he isn’t good, it’s the value placed on him by Milwaukee.
Taking his name out of it and removing the Bucks out of it...if I said a 30 year old guard, that is a year away from free agency, has some minor elbow and other injury issues, is a one time all star (8 years ago) and has been named first/second team all defense twice in his career...traded for two average NBA players and two unprotected/two swaps/one 1st...it seems high.
Holiday is a very good player, the price the Bucks paid is for a first/second team all NBA player.
The unprotected firsts in ‘25 and ‘27 are the only parts of the trade I wasn’t crazy about. Everything else is very replaceable. Hill is a nice player, but aging and a role player. Bledsoe is a decent regular season player who becomes horrible in postseason. The 24th pick wasn’t going to have any impact on a team needing to chase a title now. The two pick swaps, meh.
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I am of the opinion that, in a vacuum, Jrue is better than Middleton. Middleton’s skill set fits better next to Giannis, though.
Augustin and Portis are nice moves. The Bucks are definitely better than they were last year.
If Donte stays healthy I think he’ll have a really nice year.
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I was glad when Divincenzo was part of the Bogdan deal. I’m not sold on him.
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I am of the opinion that, in a vacuum, Jrue is better than Middleton. Middleton’s skill set fits better next to Giannis, though.
Augustin and Portis are nice moves. The Bucks are definitely better than they were last year.
If Donte stays healthy I think he’ll have a really nice year.
Like the additions of Augustin and Portis too. Solid guys whose games should fit in well.
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Der just guys, hey?
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https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/before-games-bobby-portis-pictures-opponents-slapping-his-mom/
Hopefully Portis brings some toughness. The Bucks played so soft against Miami. Crowder pushed the Bucks around and you can tell it got in their heads.
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The legacy of Lew Alcindor leaving the Bucks still lives on as reflected by the Bucks trades and free agent moves.
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The legacy of Lew Alcindor leaving the Bucks still lives on as reflected by the Bucks trades and free agent moves.
They just added a guy that seemingly every contender was trying very hard to get. Reports are teams were allowed to talk to him regarding his player option/extending before trading for him, and he told a number of them he would not extend with them.
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The legacy of Lew Alcindor leaving the Bucks still lives on as reflected by the Bucks trades and free agent moves.
Lol. No.
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Hornets have agreed to terms with Hayward.
If he can stay healthy, he's a good player who will help the team at least in the near term. But he's always hurt, he's 30 and the team still seems several pieces away from contending for anything.
The Hornets finally got out of Salary Cap Hell after several years of suckitude, so I'm not in love with committing $30M/year to Hayward. I hope he proves me wrong.
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Hornets have agreed to terms with Hayward.
If he can stay healthy, he's a good player who will help the team at least in the near term. But he's always hurt, he's 30 and the team still seems several pieces away from contending for anything.
The Hornets finally got out of Salary Cap Hell after several years of suckitude, so I'm not in love with committing $30M/year to Hayward. I hope he proves me wrong.
Plus, they had to stretch Batum to fit Hayward in. This turns into $39M per for the next 3 years. Yikes!
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Plus, they had to stretch Batum to fit Hayward in. This turns into $39M per for the next 3 years. Yikes!
Indeed.