COVID-19 (f/k/a "the Coronavirus")

[GooooMarquette]

Why do you think this hasn’t been done? Is it not their mission!?! Wtf they doing

I don’t know, and I do NOT want to take this down a political path. But bear in mind that POTUS has an aversion to admitting failures on his watch, so perhaps he doesn’t want to admit that an agency he is responsible for has done a terrible job so far, so he is pushing the problem (and the perceived responsibility) onto the states.

Like I said, just my best hunch.

[pbiflyer]

Have people still not realized it’s a bit?

Hence the ignore request. Ironic that through all the crap on scoop, this is what causes me to use the ignore feature. He’s worse than cheeks.

It’s a it by a sad and pathetic person, then.

[Jay Bee]

Hence the ignore request. Ironic that through all the crap on scoop, this is what causes me to use the ignore feature. He’s worse than cheeks.

It’s a it by a sad and pathetic person, then.

Sorry, but our society is done. It’s over. If you want to ignore the truth, cool.  I’d buy you a beer at a bar, but that will not be possible. Good luck!

[GooooMarquette]

For another interesting read, here is CDC’s summary of its response to the H1N1 threat in 2009-10.

https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/cdcresponse.htm

To save people time, it includes increasing testing capacity by developing PCR tests for the virus, contact tracing, and a number of other steps.

Ask yourself why they would do this in 2009 for H1N1, but not in 2019 for COVID.

I’ll leave it there by repeating: our best way out of this is for CDC to get in, catch up with the states, and then lead us out of this.

[forgetful]

A little worried we are going to see the economy opened back up by May 1st. Some republican governors in deep red states already posturing towards opening things back up.

At the same time, you have the president creating a 2nd council, whose focus will be economics and opening up the government. That will give him the ability to say that the experts said we needed to open up.

The posturing by GOP governors strongly suggests they have some assurances that the party and president are on board with ending recommended restrictions at the end of the month.

May 1st would be way too early. Would result in a 2nd major wave, and either a lot more deaths, or a 2nd closure which would likely be more economically devastating.

[Jay Bee]

Way too early for what? It’ll create the real surge and it’ll be ugly.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Way too early for what? It’ll create the real surge and it’ll be ugly.

Meh.  I need a new tv.  Lets riot.

[Jockey]

Have people still not realized it’s a bit?

No. I think he is just a little coward who can’t handle pressure. Stuck alone in his apartment. Darkness arrives and the fear comes oozing out.

[rocket surgeon]

A little worried we are going to see the economy opened back up by May 1st. Some republican governors in deep red states already posturing towards opening things back up.

At the same time, you have the president creating a 2nd council, whose focus will be economics and opening up the government. That will give him the ability to say that the experts said we needed to open up.

The posturing by GOP governors strongly suggests they have some assurances that the party and president are on board with ending recommended restrictions at the end of the month.

May 1st would be way too early. Would result in a 2nd major wave, and either a lot more deaths, or a 2nd closure which would likely be more economically devastating.

Your opinion, of course, but easy for you to say.  You may be right, but there are A LOT of experts out there and all of them can’t be right. 

   we have a world of scientists, biologists, epidemiologists, etc working on interim care meds until a vaccine is formulated.  We are at the tipping point of the “safe at home” thingy.  It may cure the disease, but blow up the economy to the point where the Chinese wanted...hey, we’re from China and we’re here to help?  I’d rather hear that from the whitehouse and I trust them a helluva lot more than Xi jinping. 

It’s called stealth warfare...winning without firing a shot

Back to your point forget-elections have consequences.  A leader is voted on here and he has to take a position. I’d rather have a business man fix this than a lifelong politician. I don’t care, as many of you think here, that he is profiting off this even though that’s pure b.s.  you can’t tell me every damn one of those pols knew when to sell their chit besides those few pols we know about. It sure didn’t take the previous potus to fill up the bank account.  So I don’t want to hear about who’s making money here. Hedge fund dudes are making more than God selling and buying and shorting and buying   All I care about right now is our middle class, because they are the ones that really drive our economy.

   We’ve got an election in 5 more months.  If this doesn’t work, uncle joe will fix it all better...oy vey

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Back to your point forget-elections have consequences.  A leader is voted on here and he has to take a position. I’d rather have a business man fix this than a lifelong politician.

But he's a terrible businessman.  He's a celebrity.

Regardless, this isn't a problem for the President to "fix."  It's a problem for the President to use the resources of the federal government to manage.  And while he has done some good things, he started the management of the problem late, and still envisions himself as way more of an expert than he really is.  This has lead us down false paths (hydroxy) and delays that have cost lives (shutting down states in the south).

Strong leaders don't bluff their way through things they don't know.  They don't surround themselves with "yes men" or people who fawn over them.  They are comfortable knowing what they don't know, but finding people who do know and letting them manage it for you.

Read the book "Team of Rivals" if you want to see what political leadership in difficult times is about.  This President has done pretty much the opposite.

[MU82]

Your opinion, of course, but easy for you to say.  You may be right, but there are A LOT of experts out there and all of them can’t be right. 

   we have a world of scientists, biologists, epidemiologists, etc working on interim care meds until a vaccine is formulated.  We are at the tipping point of the “safe at home” thingy.  It may cure the disease, but blow up the economy to the point where the Chinese wanted...hey, we’re from China and we’re here to help?  I’d rather hear that from the whitehouse and I trust them a helluva lot more than Xi jinping. 

It’s called stealth warfare...winning without firing a shot

Back to your point forget-elections have consequences.  A leader is voted on here and he has to take a position. I’d rather have a business man fix this than a lifelong politician. I don’t care, as many of you think here, that he is profiting off this even though that’s pure b.s.  you can’t tell me every damn one of those pols knew when to sell their chit besides those few pols we know about. It sure didn’t take the previous potus to fill up the bank account.  So I don’t want to hear about who’s making money here. Hedge fund dudes are making more than God selling and buying and shorting and buying   All I care about right now is our middle class, because they are the ones that really drive our economy.

   We’ve got an election in 5 more months.  If this doesn’t work, uncle joe will fix it all better...oy vey

Wow ... lots here, rocket.

1. Elections Have Consequences. Totally agree. So let me ask you this ... Did the 2018 election also have consequences? You know, the one in which suburban women were so repulsed by the president that they showed up in droves to turn House districts that had been Republican for decades over to the Dems. Which, of course, led to the impeachment that you so often decry. Don't like it? Tough! Elections have consequences!

As for the consequences of the 2016 election, we're certainly seeing them now. We as a country elected a man who ran on a platform of science denial, who spent years appointing unqualified people to important jobs (and firing them and hiring the next group of unqualified hacks), who was uniquely unprepared for the presidency, and who cares only about himself. Tens of thousands dead, and probably more, not to mention all those scarred for life physically, financially and emotionally. Tough consequence.

2. I'd Rather Have a Businessman. Yep, quite a self-made man he is. Given hundreds of millions of dollars by his daddy, who also bought him bone spurs and taught him how to be a racist slumlord. Bankrupted several casinos before he had to shut them down; oversaw the collapse of the USFL; defrauded Trump U students before having to shut his scam school down; ran Trump Steaks, Trump Jets and numerous other Trump enterprises into the ground; had to shut down his foundation because he used the money illegally and on himself (there's a shock). How much is your heroic businessman actually worth? We don't know, because he's the only major-party presidential candidate in more than 40 years to not make his taxes public - something he promised to do 100 times (100 lies).

3. All I Care About Is the Middle Class. That's noble of you ... and it makes you very different from your emperor, who doesn't give a rat's rump about the middle class.

4. I Trust the "whitehouse" More Than Xi Jinping. Interesting that the leader of that "whitehouse" actually said this about his own hand-picked Fed chair, Jay Powell: "My only question is, who is our bigger enemy, Jay Powel or Chairman Xi?"

5. Uncle Joe Will Fix This - Oy Vey. Yes, rocket, it's impossible that Biden - or anybody else with a pulse - could have done better than the self-proclaimed Chosen One, right?

6. Chinese Wanted This. Well, I guess this is a step up from blaming the Deep State, at least. Gotta run now, rocket, and make sure my tin-foil hat fits right.

[shoothoops]

The undercounting of COVID-19 deaths:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/10/upshot/coronavirus-deaths-new-york-city.html

[tower912]

In times of crisis, character is revealed.     Are you trying to move things forward and do the most good for the most people, attempting to lift everyone up?     Or it it all about you?

[MU82]

The undercounting of COVID-19 deaths:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/10/upshot/coronavirus-deaths-new-york-city.html

Yep. This is gonna be the next big war the Liar In Chief wages with "the enemy of the American people." In the end, he will try to say that an inconsequential number of people have died, and that is "proof" that he did a "perfect job - just like that phone call."

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Yep. This is gonna be the next big war the Liar In Chief wages with "the enemy of the American people." In the end, he will try to say that an inconsequential number of people have died, and that is "proof" that he did a "perfect job - just like that phone call."

You're doing it again.

[Lighthouse 84]

You're doing it again.

Every time I go to the Superbar and see the “This is a Politics Free Zone” at the top, I silently say, “except for the Covid-19 thread”. 

With all that goes on in here, why not just open up a political thread again?  Either that or start banning more.

[tower912]

Over the top, Mike.   

[TSmith34, Inc.]

In times of crisis, character is revealed.     Are you trying to move things forward and do the most good for the most people, attempting to lift everyone up?     Or it it all about you?

Yes indeed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/10/newfound-popularity-americas-governors-shows-what-trump-doesnt-get/?utm_source=reddit.com

"But the real story is in which governors are winning the support of their constituents. It’s not the governors who echoed Trump’s dismissive attitude toward the pandemic for as long as they could. The governors getting the highest marks are the ones who have been most aggressive in ordering closures and communicating to their states that this is an era-defining crisis that requires sacrifice from all of us.

That includes both Republicans and Democrats — but the Republicans are the ones who have been notable for going where the president wouldn’t. Mike DeWine in Ohio, for instance, got criticismfrom many, including Republicans, for shutting down the state’s primary election and issuing an early shelter-in-place order. He now enjoys an approval of more than 80 percent.

Other governors who have become hugely popular include Larry Hogan in Maryland (also a Republican), Gavin Newsom in California (whose approval shot up by more than 40 points), and Andrew M. Cuomo in New York, all of whom have taken strong steps to enforce social distancing and have made forceful public appearances telling their constituents how serious the crisis is.

One governor who hasn’t experienced that kind of bump? Trump loyalist Ron DeSantis in Florida.

In one poll DeSantis’s approval came in at 51 percent, which would be pretty good in ordinary times but actually represents a decline from what he got in some polls from before the pandemic. DeSantis delayed issuing a lockdown order until after many other states had already done so, earning widespread criticism."

[rocket surgeon]

But he's a terrible businessman.  He's a celebrity.

Regardless, this isn't a problem for the President to "fix."  It's a problem for the President to use the resources of the federal government to manage.  And while he has done some good things, he started the management of the problem late, and still envisions himself as way more of an expert than he really is.  This has lead us down false paths (hydroxy) and delays that have cost lives (shutting down states in the south).

Strong leaders don't bluff their way through things they don't know.  They don't surround themselves with "yes men" or people who fawn over them.  They are comfortable knowing what they don't know, but finding people who do know and letting them manage it for you.

Read the book "Team of Rivals" if you want to see what political leadership in difficult times is about.  This President has done pretty much the opposite.

Before this pandemic hit, the country was in pretty good shape

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Before this pandemic hit, the country was in pretty good shape

No one in manufacturing would tell you that.

[GooooMarquette]

For another interesting read, here is CDC’s summary of its response to the H1N1 threat in 2009-10.

https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/cdcresponse.htm

To save people time, it includes increasing testing capacity by developing PCR tests for the virus, contact tracing, and a number of other steps.

Ask yourself why they would do this in 2009 for H1N1, but not in 2019 for COVID.

I’ll leave it there by repeating: our best way out of this is for CDC to get in, catch up with the states, and then lead us out of this.

I agree this thread has often devolved to politicization...so I will repost some substantive information I posted late last evening but seems to have gotten buried in the bickering.

And I will repeat the question that I have not yet heard a single answer to: Why was CDC (the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) proactive and engaged in disease control and prevention throughout the H1N1 outbreak in 2009-10 taking a back seat to state health departments and private entities in the fight against COVID in 2019-20?

What has changed from 2009 to 2019 that would lead a federal agency that was created specifically for this purpose to deflect blame and sit mostly on the sidelines once the going got tough?

 

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Before this pandemic hit, the country was in pretty good shape

Leadership is tested in crisis and in bad times.  Anyone can be a leader when things are going well.

And "pretty good shape" is highly dependent on your circumstance.

[tower912]

I agree this thread has often devolved to politicization...so I will repost some substantive information I posted late last evening but seems to have gotten buried in the bickering.

And I will repeat the question that I have not yet heard a single answer to: Why was CDC (the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) proactive and engaged in disease control and prevention throughout the H1N1 outbreak in 2009-10 taking a back seat to state health departments and private entities in the fight against COVID in 2019-20?

What has changed from 2009 to 2019 that would lead a federal agency that was created specifically for this purpose to deflect blame and sit mostly on the sidelines once the going got tough?

Trust science.   Don't de-fund, de-emphasize, belittle, claim you know more than, and then blame the organization that you did all of these things to.   

[Jay Bee]

Every time I go to the Superbar and see the “This is a Politics Free Zone” at the top, I silently say, “except for the Covid-19 thread”. 

With all that goes on in here, why not just open up a political thread again?  Either that or start banning more.

Because the mods agree politically with hypocritical nimwits like Nads. There are diff rules in place for different people.

[muguru]

Only 150...yes, that is NOT a typo, only 150 people have died from Covid-19 that do NOT have pre existing conditions..It's time to re-open the country.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/numbers-150-americans-date-no-pre-existing-conditions-died-coronavirus-0-9/