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Soft teams with bad coaching..
« on: November 23, 2018, 11:07:33 PM »
Don't win games when they're down late in the second half to a seasoned/good opposing coach

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Re: Soft teams with bad coaching..
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2018, 11:10:41 PM »
Don't win games when they're down late in the second half to a seasoned/good opposing coach
Sure wish we could refer to our coach as "seasoned/good"
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Re: Soft teams with bad coaching..
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2018, 11:12:58 PM »
Don't win games when they're down late in the second half to a seasoned/good opposing coach

Last year, (edit...this year, 2018) on Feb 24th, DePaul was soft and poorly coached and they beat us. Marquette was up by 5 at the half.

But then again I don't think Wojo is seasoned or good!!!

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« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2018, 11:15:20 PM »
Last year, (edit...this year, 2018) on Feb 24th, DePaul was soft and poorly coached and they beat us. Marquette was up by 5 at the half.

But then again I don't think Wojo is seasoned or good!!!

DePaul is a lot of things. They definitely are not soft. That team played hard and physical all year last year.

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Re: Soft teams with bad coaching..
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2018, 11:21:19 PM »
Don't win games when they're down late in the second half to a seasoned/good opposing coach

Louisville lost because of some horribly DUMB fouls 30 feet from the basket, and off the ball sending Markus, Joey and Sam to the line.  Gave us 6-8 pts on FT's down the stretch.  We were very fortunate to get to OT.

The first 38 mins were uninspired and ugly.  If everyone is willing to concede Chris Mack (seasoned/good coach) is head and shoulders above Wojo - then that's a problem.
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Re: Soft teams with bad coaching..
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2018, 11:28:05 PM »
Louisville lost because of some horribly DUMB fouls 30 feet from the basket, and off the ball sending Markus, Joey and Sam to the line.  Gave us 6-8 pts on FT's down the stretch.  We were very fortunate to get to OT.

The first 38 mins were uninspired and ugly.  If everyone is willing to concede Chris Mack (seasoned/good coach) is head and shoulders above Wojo - then that's a problem.

So now we’ll discount wins because the other team didn’t put us away huh?

Eff it. None of Wojo’s wins count. M
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Re: Soft teams with bad coaching..
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2018, 11:31:23 PM »
Louisville lost because of some horribly DUMB fouls 30 feet from the basket, and off the ball sending Markus, Joey and Sam to the line.  Gave us 6-8 pts on FT's down the stretch.  We were very fortunate to get to OT.

The first 38 mins were uninspired and ugly.  If everyone is willing to concede Chris Mack (seasoned/good coach) is head and shoulders above Wojo - then that's a problem.

Mack's teams play hard and give it all they got. We won tonight because that's the way we played too.

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Re: Soft teams with bad coaching..
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2018, 12:17:32 AM »
So now we’ll discount wins because the other team didn’t put us away huh?

Eff it. None of Wojo’s wins count. M

This is a win we needed but not one we're saving on the DVR. If we play like this all year, it's going to be a long year.

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« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2018, 12:25:20 AM »
This is a win we needed but not one we're saving on the DVR. If we play like this all year, it's going to be a long year.

On offense, yes. If this is our defense for the rest of the season I will be pretty happy provided they clean up the offensive boards.
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Re: Soft teams with bad coaching..
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2018, 12:42:37 AM »
So now we’ll discount wins because the other team didn’t put us away huh?

Eff it. None of Wojo’s wins count. M

All of Wojo's wins count.  And, this one was critical to our post-season hopes.  I am extremely happy that we won.

However, that doesn't  mean I liked what I saw in the first 38 mins vs UL, 40 mins vs IU, or last 20 mins vs KU.  Many of us had lofty expectations from the day Chartouny committed.  Things aren't playing out quite like we had hoped - frustrating!  If we go 1-2 vs KSU, UW and Buffalo, things are going to get ugly around here.
 

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« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2018, 12:44:55 AM »
All of Wojo's wins count.  And, this one was critical to our post-season hopes.  I am extremely happy that we won.

However, that doesn't  mean I liked what I saw in the first 38 mins vs UL, 40 mins vs IU, or 20 mins vs KU.  Many of us had lofty expectations from the day Chartouny committed.  Things aren't playing out quite like we had hoped - frustrating!  If we go 1-2 vs KSU, UW and Buffalo, things are going to get ugly around here.
 

Take the win.

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Re: Soft teams with bad coaching..
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2018, 12:47:06 AM »
This is a win we needed but not one we're saving on the DVR. If we play like this all year, it's going to be a long year.

Maybe.  Maybe not.  We just beat a team that was in a 2 point game at the under 8:00 timeout with Tennessee 2 nights ago.  Louisville is far from a pushover. 
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« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2018, 12:52:17 AM »
All of Wojo's wins count.  And, this one was critical to our post-season hopes.  I am extremely happy that we won.

However, that doesn't  mean I liked what I saw in the first 38 mins vs UL, 40 mins vs IU, or last 20 mins vs KU.  Many of us had lofty expectations from the day Chartouny committed.  Things aren't playing out quite like we had hoped - frustrating!  If we go 1-2 vs KSU, UW and Buffalo, things are going to get ugly around here.
 

Did you enjoy the defense? I did personally. The offense was frustrating but I at least appreciated that we weren't beating ourselves. Only 9 TOs despite the offensive struggles. And 2 of those were offensive fouls one of which was especially fishy to me.
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Re: Soft teams with bad coaching..
« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2018, 01:11:36 AM »
Did you enjoy the defense? I did personally. The offense was frustrating but I at least appreciated that we weren't beating ourselves. Only 9 TOs despite the offensive struggles. And 2 of those were offensive fouls one of which was especially fishy to me.

You're right on this. We forced Louisville to beat us, and when they couldn't, we took advantage and came away with the W.

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« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2018, 08:06:14 AM »
Did you enjoy the defense? I did personally. The offense was frustrating but I at least appreciated that we weren't beating ourselves. Only 9 TOs despite the offensive struggles. And 2 of those were offensive fouls one of which was especially fishy to me.

My only frustration with the defense last night was not securing rebounds. Joey needs to get stronger grabbing the ball. Other than that though, it feels like a much better defensive team relative to the rest of the Wojo era.

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« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2018, 08:13:36 AM »
Louisville lost because of some horribly DUMB fouls 30 feet from the basket, and off the ball sending Markus, Joey and Sam to the line.  Gave us 6-8 pts on FT's down the stretch.  We were very fortunate to get to OT.

The first 38 mins were uninspired and ugly.  If everyone is willing to concede Chris Mack (seasoned/good coach) is head and shoulders above Wojo - then that's a problem.

So, if Louisville lost to a soft, uninspired team due to it's own incompetence and dumb play ... what's that say about Chris Mack?

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« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2018, 08:16:03 AM »
My only frustration with the defense last night was not securing rebounds. Joey needs to get stronger grabbing the ball. Other than that though, it feels like a much better defensive team relative to the rest of the Wojo era.
Joey had butterfingers for part of the night.         Soft teams with bad coaching lose 19 point first half leads.      What a crock of crap.      There are a lot of teams out there with talent.    There was a lot of fascinating games yesterday.     For those who watch basketball other than Marquette, surely you recognize that MU is not the only team out there that struggles at times.     For teams good enough to have a fanbase that cares, all but a couple have to have the exact same gripes.    Probably not Kansas or Gonzaga.    But I am sure there is an angry subset of Duke fans that think losing to Gonzaga is proof that K is an idiot.   
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Re: Soft teams with bad coaching..
« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2018, 08:36:41 AM »
We had angry fans in 1977 regular season when many thought it was good Al was retiring because Hank was the real coach anyway and Al was getting in the way. Seriously, people thought that.

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My only frustration with the defense last night was not securing rebounds. Joey needs to get stronger grabbing the ball. Other than that though, it feels like a much better defensive team relative to the rest of the Wojo era.

Yes. Though I will see that we at least made up for it a little bit by grabbing double digit offensive boards ourselves. I know some were impressed by Ed last night but I wasn't as much. This is why Wojo went and got him, to make sure we don't get destroyed on the offensive glass. He only had 2 rebounds I believe in a game where we needed him to have more.
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Re: Soft teams with bad coaching..
« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2018, 08:42:37 AM »
Can someone toss us (me) the Kenton D rankings for us at this point?

(Having played top 50 UL, #2 Kansas and almost top 25 IU) I’ve got to assume we now have a pretty solid idea for our teams D.

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« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2018, 08:46:25 AM »
Yes. Though I will see that we at least made up for it a little bit by grabbing double digit offensive boards ourselves. I know some were impressed by Ed last night but I wasn't as much. This is why Wojo went and got him, to make sure we don't get destroyed on the offensive glass. He only had 2 rebounds I believe in a game where we needed him to have more.
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« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2018, 08:47:28 AM »
I’m happy Morrow showed signs of life, hoping he gets settled in because it was ugly before last night.

Still think it is reasonable that Ed and JC will both turn out just fine ala all our recent transfers.
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« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2018, 08:51:34 AM »
Still think it is reasonable that Ed and JC will both turn out just fine ala all our recent transfers.

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« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2018, 08:52:48 AM »
Still think it is reasonable that Ed and JC will both turn out just fine ala all our recent transfers.
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« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2018, 09:17:19 AM »
Can someone toss us (me) the Kenton D rankings for us at this point?

(Having played top 50 UL, #2 Kansas and almost top 25 IU) I’ve got to assume we now have a pretty solid idea for our teams D.

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