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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on September 08, 2020, 08:45:40 PM
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Wojo's replacement is now on the market. Let's act now to save the program and bring it back to a high level!!! #MediocrityIsFailure
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Wojo's replacement is now on the market. Let's act now to save the program and bring it back to a high level!!! #MediocrityIsFailure
Donovan will stay in the pros. He enjoys not recruiting.
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Wojo's replacement is now on the market. Let's act now to save the program and bring it back to a high level!!! #MediocrityIsFailure
Does Bud get the heave ho?
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Does Bud get the heave ho?
I wasn't impressed how he was unable to adapt his offense. He kept the same system out there rather than have people move around which allowed HEAT to stifle Milwaukee. Bucks looked like MU's offense at times.
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LOL
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To be fair, if Donovan had any interest in coaching College again I'd be shocked if we were in the running. But I'd certainly give a call and see about it. I'm not even a fire wojo guy, just a firm believer Donovan would get us to Novas level quickly
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To be fair, if Donovan had any interest in coaching College again I'd be shocked if we were in the running. But I'd certainly give a call and see about it. I'm not even a fire wojo guy, just a firm believer Donovan would get us to Novas level quickly
Supposing Donovan wanted to return to college .... just how much money do you think Marquette has?
Enough to pay Donovan's asking price (let's start at $4 million a year at the very minimum) and what's left of Wojo’s contract? In the middle of a pandemic?
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NO HE WOULDN'T! Wojo is just fine...stop it. Wojo just need guys who buy in and stop running too soon...especially his 'bigs.'
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Every coach you fans want 'fired.'
LOL. For no reason at all but to feel 'empowered.' You need to have a stable program to be successful and not firing everybody after as 3 out of 5 game losing streak.
Relax.
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Every coach you fans want 'fired.'
LOL. For no reason at all but to feel 'empowered.' You need to have a stable program to be successful and not firing everybody after as 3 out of 5 game losing streak.
Relax.
Marquette hasn’t fired a coach in over 20 years, and two coaches have “fired” Marquette since then. I don’t want to fire Wojo, and concede that Donovan to MU is a pipe dream. But a guy can dream...
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Supposing Donovan wanted to return to college .... just how much money do you think Marquette has?
Enough to pay Donovan's asking price (let's start at $4 million a year at the very minimum) and what's left of Wojo’s contract? In the middle of a pandemic?
Enough that's it's worth a phone call. I don't expect it to happen, I have zero expectation of it happening, but what's the harm in a quick conversation? How often does a coach with more hardware to his name than our "legendary" coach had come available?
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The only phone call from a 414 area code Billy Donovan is answering is from the Bucks. I'd love to see his laughter if Marquette left him a voicemail (because again, there is a 0.000000% chance he answers a phone call from Marquette University) seeing if he'd have any interest in their basketball coaching position.
But heck. Let's get on the phone with Brad Stevens while we're at it. He was a slightly less successful college coach. Maybe he wants back in.
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Enough that's it's worth a phone call. I don't expect it to happen, I have zero expectation of it happening, but what's the harm in a quick conversation? How often does a coach with more hardware to his name than our "legendary" coach had come available?
Because you really shouldn't be having those conversations unless you are committed to creating an opening. What if words gets out?
That's just not how organizations work.
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Because you really shouldn't be having those conversations unless you are committed to creating an opening. What if words gets out?
That's just not how organizations work.
I disagree. If Wojo was absolutely killing it then absolutely, but he's been horrid for two end of the season stretches. And over all records have seemingly been stagnant outside of the 2018/19 year which wasn't vastly different. It's absolutely worth a call.
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I disagree. If Wojo was absolutely killing it then absolutely, but he's been horrid for two end of the season stretches. And over records have seemingly been stagnant outside of the 2018/19 year which wasn't vastly different. It's absolutely worth a call.
If the leadership of the University felt as you do, then you fire him and move on. But since they don't feel concerned enough to fire him, then they don't recruit other candidates. Especially since the chances are ridiculously remote. Bad idea all around.
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If the leadership of the University felt as you do, then you fire him and move on. But since they don't feel concerned enough to fire him, then they don't recruit other candidates. Especially since the chances are ridiculously remote. Bad idea all around.
So you don't buy into the idea that an AD should have a short list of candidates ready if he decides to move on?
I equate my view to when I was in sales at Groupon. There was no chance in hell I was going to close restaurants like Alinea but heck what have I got to lose by making a call? Same here. And honestly can any coach not named Coach K be upset if their school called a guy with 4 final fours, 2 championships, 9 conference championships (between tournament and regular seasons). Absolutely not, in the least it let's Wojo know he'd better step it up.
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So you don't buy into the idea that an AD should have a short list of candidates ready if he decides to move on?
I equate my view to when I was in sales at Groupon. There was no chance in hell I was going to close restaurants like Alinea but heck what have I got to lose by making a call? Same here. And honestly can any coach not named Coach K be upset if their school called a guy with 4 final fours, 2 championships, 9 conference championships (between tournament and regular seasons). Absolutely not, in the least it let's Wojo know he'd better step it up.
Having a list, and actively talking to people on that list despite there not being an opening, are two completely different things.
And your sales analogy is a poor one. This isn't about sales. It's about hiring someone for a job for which there already is someone in that role. It's ethically questionable.
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Having a list, and actively talking to people on that list despite there not being an opening, are two completely different things.
And your sales analogy is a poor one. This isn't about sales. It's about hiring someone for a job for which there already is someone in that role. It's ethically questionable.
On top of that, it does the current coaching staff no favors on the recruiting trail. The chance of it hurting the staff's recruiting efforts far exceeds the likelihood that a) Donovan would be interested in Marquette and b) the university coming up with the money to pay him.
It seems far more likely Donovan either lands one of the four NBA gigs currently open or takes a year off from coaching for a cushy analyst job.
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I'm I the only one that sees the irony in the fact that there is a thread in the Al entitled "Mouth breathing Badgers fans" and we have this inane pipe dream being defended?
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I'm I the only one that sees the irony in the fact that there is a thread in the Al entitled "Mouth breathing Badgers fans" and we have this inane pipe dream being defended?
I'm not defending an idea he'd come to marquette or did you fail to read my bolder sentence? I just don't like to be the person going home alone at the end of a party with blue balls because I was too scared to talk to the girl who was out of my league. Prefer to go down swinging personally. But apparently you all were different good for you.
Enough that's it's worth a phone call. I don't expect it to happen, I have zero expectation of it happening, but what's the harm in a quick conversation? How often does a coach with more hardware to his name than our "legendary" coach had come available?
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I'm not defending an idea he'd come to marquette or did you fail to read my bolder sentence? I just don't like to be the person going home alone at the end of a party with blue balls because I was too scared to talk to the girl who was out of my league. Prefer to go down swinging personally. But apparently you all were different good for you.
How would your wife and kids back at home feel when they learn that you're out at parties trying to pick up other women?
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How would your wife and kids back at home feel when they learn that you're out at parties trying to pick up other women?
Exactly. If you had a coach opening, OF COURSE you would reach out to him. But you don't.
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How would your wife and kids back at home feel when they learn that you're out at parties trying to pick up other women?
I don't have a wife or kids at home. And I was referring to college days, an era I thought that analogy would've been relevant to everyone.
Exactly. If you had a coach opening, OF COURSE you would reach out to him. But you don't.
So it's cool if he sniffs around other openings but we can't? He can either be an adult walk into the AD's office and say "I'll step up my game and not take calls from VATech" or be a whinny child about it because he wants to be able to have all the cards and treated like royalty without having earned it.
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I don't have a wife or kids at home. And I was referring to college days, an era I thought that analogy would've been relevant to everyone.
Then your analogy doesn't work, because Marquette does have a wife and kids (Wojo, assistant coaches, players, recruits) back home. And they won't be thrilled to learn that their spouse is out at parties trying to hook up with other coaches while they're back taking care of business home.
Look, if you can guarantee that Donovan would welcome MU's approach and be inclined to take the job at MU's price point, then go for it. But all of that is exceptionally unlikely, and the damage of making such a hamhanded approach outweighs the benefit.
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I don't have a wife or kids at home. And I was referring to college days, an era I thought that analogy would've been relevant to everyone.
So it's cool if he sniffs around other openings but we can't? He can either be an adult walk into the AD's office and say "I'll step up my game and not take calls from VATech" or be a whinny child about it because he wants to be able to have all the cards and treated like royalty without having earned it.
Source?
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Source?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/04/03/buzz-williams-reportedly-leaving-virginia-tech-texas-am/%3foutputType=amp
Then your analogy doesn't work, because Marquette does have a wife and kids (Wojo, assistant coaches, players, recruits) back home. And they won't be thrilled to learn that their spouse is out at parties trying to hook up with other coaches while they're back taking care of business home.
Maybe I'm just frustrated that it seems like it's viewed as ok for the wife (wojo) to court other suitors, the kids (players, assistants) to court other suitors, but if dad (MU) does it then we have to be terrified about the optics.
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So it's cool if he sniffs around other openings but we can't? He can either be an adult walk into the AD's office and say "I'll step up my game and not take calls from VATech" or be a whinny child about it because he wants to be able to have all the cards and treated like royalty without having earned it.
There's a difference between taking a call and making a call.
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I'm thinking MU should take this approach.
Billy Donovan hired for the head coaching position that isn't open. Brad Stevens comes on as his associate head coach. Chris Beard and Tony Bennett assistant coaches. Kelvin Sampson DOBO.
Sound good?
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Maybe I'm just frustrated that it seems like it's viewed as ok for the wife (wojo) to court other suitors, the kids (players, assistants) to court other suitors, but if dad (MU) does it then we have to be terrified about the optics.
People are acting like Wojo and the AD are are setting up conference calls to offer a job or ask for a job. There are ways to do this on both sides, including using third parties, to find out more facts and the desires of potential candidates that won't result in the 'trust breaking', 'recruiting destroying' hyperbole being thrown about.
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People are acting like Wojo and the AD are are setting up conference calls to offer a job or ask for a job. There are ways to do this on both sides, including using third parties, to find out more facts and the desires of potential candidates that won't result in the 'trust breaking', 'recruiting destroying' hyperbole being thrown about.
Thank you.
I'm thinking MU should take this approach.
Billy Donovan hired for the head coaching position that isn't open. Brad Stevens comes on as his associate head coach. Chris Beard and Tony Bennett assistant coaches. Kelvin Sampson DOBO.
Sound good?
This is more idiotic than anything I've said on this thread. I'm getting crucified for suggesting literally a feeler call To a recently fired coach that went to a school not so different than MU is worth the 5 minutes and you equate that to we can hire currently employed coaches, who've won a ton at their current jobs, one who's still coaching this year.
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Here’s your feeler, MU admin. Billy Donovan wouldn’t even be interested in your filled head coach position if you offered him $10M/year. And you can’t offer him that. So thanks for the call. I’ll go spit my cup of coffee out now.
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How would your wife and kids back at home feel when they learn that you're out at parties trying to pick up other women?
So it’s OK that 40% of the kids disown you, change their names and get a new “Dad”. And it’s OK for the wife to be on the lookout for a “better” husband. But the Dad/husband is bad guy if his eyes wander when a gorgeous woman becomes available?
One way street?
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Thank you.
This is more idiotic than anything I've said on this thread. I'm getting crucified for suggesting literally a feeler call To a recently fired coach that went to a school not so different than MU is worth the 5 minutes and you equate that to we can hire currently employed coaches, who've won a ton at their current jobs, one who's still coaching this year.
I’m going to go out on a limb and guess he was being sarcastic.
If Billy Donovan’s agent reaches out to someone connected at MU, maybe you think about it. Most of this happens through third parties anyways, so it’s not like Scholl is calling up Donovan. However, I think you’d need more than passing interest for MU to even start reaching out.
I’m sure if Donovan wanted to come to MU, he’d know who to get in touch with. Probably a quick call to Doc.
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People are acting like Wojo and the AD are are setting up conference calls to offer a job or ask for a job. There are ways to do this on both sides, including using third parties, to find out more facts and the desires of potential candidates that won't result in the 'trust breaking', 'recruiting destroying' hyperbole being thrown about.
Yeah, these things always take place behind the scenes and never leak out.
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I don't have a wife or kids at home. And I was referring to college days, an era I thought that analogy would've been relevant to everyone.
So it's cool if he sniffs around other openings but we can't? He can either be an adult walk into the AD's office and say "I'll step up my game and not take calls from VATech" or be a whinny child about it because he wants to be able to have all the cards and treated like royalty without having earned it.
That's life.
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Yeah, these things always take place behind the scenes and never leak out.
I would bet that more often than not, the leaks are done on purpose.
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So it’s OK that 40% of the kids disown you, change their names and get a new “Dad”. And it’s OK for the wife to be on the lookout for a “better” husband. But the Dad/husband is bad guy if his eyes wander when a gorgeous woman becomes available?
One way street?
Oh, please Lenny. Maybe you just want to be argumentative, but this doesn't come close to what I've written here.
I haven't said anyone is the "bad guy." I've said the downsides of chasing after a coach who you probably can't afford and almost certainly would have no interest in your program makes it neither a smart or worthwhile move.
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I would bet that more often than not, the leaks are done on purpose.
Ya think?
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At the risk of worsening how lost we're all getting in the metaphor - if you're Marquette, Billy Donovan is on your free pass list, aina? But you only get forgiven by the missus if you actually had a real chance. Otherwise you're just a simp and your wife is embarrased to be with you becuase you look pathetic, not becuase you cheated with a supermodel.
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Ya think?
Which is why the hyperbole being thrown about makes no sense. Saying a back channel call ruins MU recruiting or discredits Wojo is as silly as thinking that Billy returns the overture.
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Which is why the hyperbole being thrown about makes no sense. Saying a back channel call ruins MU recruiting or discredits Wojo is as silly as thinking that Billy returns the overture.
Billy has an agent. The job of Billy's agent is to help him land a new job that pays him the most he can possibly earn. Making Billy appear to be a hot commodity helps make that happen. Thus, it is in the agent's interest to leak information about any and all overtures he receives.
Nobody said anything about a backchannel call "ruining" MU recruiting, by the way.
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Oh, please Lenny. Maybe you just want to be argumentative, but this doesn't come close to what I've written here.
I haven't said anyone is the "bad guy." I've said the downsides of chasing after a coach who you probably can't afford and almost certainly would have no interest in your program makes it neither a smart or worthwhile move.
With all due respect, you made the analogy of institution as Dad, coach as wife and players as kids. I just pointed out how dysfunctional your “family” is regardless of how Dad behaves.
Perhaps it wasn’t a very good analogy.
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Billy has an agent. The job of Billy's agent is to help him land a new job that pays him the most he can possibly earn. Making Billy appear to be a hot commodity helps make that happen. Thus, it is in the agent's interest to leak information about any and all overtures he receives.
Nobody said anything about a backchannel call "ruining" MU recruiting, by the way.
If the agent is leaking 'Marquette called' to try to get Billy a better job, he or she should be fired.
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With all due respect, you made the analogy of institution as Dad, coach as wife and players as kids. I just pointed out how dysfunctional your “family” is regardless of how Dad behaves.
Perhaps it wasn’t a very good analogy.
Meh ... maybe it wasn't.
But you still misrepresented what I write because you wanted to be argumentative.
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I'm thinking MU should take this approach.
Billy Donovan hired for the head coaching position that isn't open. Brad Stevens comes on as his associate head coach. Chris Beard and Tony Bennett assistant coaches. Kelvin Sampson DOBO.
Sound good?
Never settle
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Exactly. If you had a coach opening, OF COURSE you would reach out to him. But you don't.
But it's totally cool and ethical for coaches under contract to be talking to other schools behind the scenes?
Got it. Once again you, Pakuni, BLM/Wades illustrate how much you struggle with real world reality.
This is the Big Leagues/business. Wojo is paid millions, we invest millions. ROI hasn't been there after 6 years.
Any A.D., at a school spending Top 10 in College Hoop Budget (who's coach hasn't won an NCAA tournament game after 6 years on the job) should make the call and inquire.
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Meh ... maybe it wasn't.
But you still misrepresented what I write because you wanted to be argumentative.
I would disagree but I don’t want to be perceived as disagreeable - or argumentative, for that matter.
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But it's totally cool and ethical for coaches under contract to be talking to other schools behind the scenes?
Got it. Once again you, Pakuni, BLM/Wades illustrate how much you struggle with real world reality.
This is the Big Leagues/business. Wojo is paid millions, we invest millions. ROI hasn't been there after 6 years.
Any A.D., at a school spending Top 10 in College Hoop Budget (who's coach hasn't won an NCAA tournament game after 6 years on the job) should make the call and inquire.
Shhhh, these 3-5 experts know everything. Just ask them, they'll tell you.
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But it's totally cool and ethical for coaches under contract to be talking to other schools behind the scenes?
Got it. Once again you, Pakuni, BLM/Wades illustrate how much you struggle with real world reality.
This is the Big Leagues/business. Wojo is paid millions, we invest millions. ROI hasn't been there after 6 years.
Any A.D., at a school spending Top 10 in College Hoop Budget (who's coach hasn't won an NCAA tournament game after 6 years on the job) should make the call and inquire.
Yeah you’re pretty much the last guy here I’m taking business advice from.
But anyway, if Wojo is so bad, they should have fired him. If not, then you stuck with him until you do.
Inquiring if Billy Donovan is interested in Marquette is a dumb idea mostly because the chances are infinitely small that he would have even a passing interest.
Do you really think a bunch of schools in Marquette’s situation are reaching out to him today?
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Yeah you’re pretty much the last guy here I’m taking business advice from.
But anyway, if Wojo is so bad, they should have fired him. If not, then you stuck with him until you do.
Inquiring if Billy Donovan is interested in Marquette is a dumb idea mostly because the chances are infinitely small that he would have even a passing interest.
Do you really think a bunch of schools in Marquette’s situation are reaching out to him today?
Bill Scholl should have a list of coaches he’d reach out to should the need arise. To inquire on someone like Billy Donovan would mean he’d have to have the knowledge that Marquette would have the financial means to meet his contract demands. Let’s go low and say $4 million per year along with perks and a substantial pool of money for assistants. If they can afford to pay a fired Wojo and meet the demands Billy Donovan would have, sure, make the call. It’s not my money.
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What if Iona hadn't reached out to Pitino? I know he hasn't done anything yet, but do you think a bunch of people were on their board about funds etc? No you reach out to the best available.
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What if Iona hadn't reached out to Pitino? I know he hasn't done anything yet, but do you think a bunch of people were on their board about funds etc? No you reach out to the best available.
Some might suggest Billy Donovan's current situation is vastly different than that of Rick Pitino.
Oh ... and Iona had a job opening
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What if Iona hadn't reached out to Pitino? I know he hasn't done anything yet, but do you think a bunch of people were on their board about funds etc? No you reach out to the best available.
If Donovan had the baggage Pitino does, then funds aren’t an issue. They also had the bonus of Cluess “resigning” and Pitino willing to take less.
Listen, make the call. It’s a ridiculous argument anyway you slice it. He’s not coming to Marquette when it has been reported he wants to stay in the NBA. And if he has the desire to comeback to college, why this year with so much uncertainty? If he comes back to college, he can pick his job.
It’s bizarre people are arguing about this but it’s a bizarre time. If people are genuinely going to get upset about Bill Scholl not calling him today, I don’t know what to tell you.
Edit: Also, if they had fired Wojo and hired Pitino, I’d have been all for it. Same with Billy but the two aren’t comparable
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But it's totally cool and ethical for coaches under contract to be talking to other schools behind the scenes?
Got it. Once again you, Pakuni, BLM/Wades illustrate how much you struggle with real world reality.
This is the Big Leagues/business. Wojo is paid millions, we invest millions. ROI hasn't been there after 6 years.
Any A.D., at a school spending Top 10 in College Hoop Budget (who's coach hasn't won an NCAA tournament game after 6 years on the job) should make the call and inquire.
Real world reality? We're talking about trying to hire a coach who will have no less than 10 NBA franchises at least gaging his interest, to go along with all but maybe 5 college programs that would drop everything for him, and we think the guy would take a call from Marquette University?
And I'm the one struggling with real world reality?
LOL!
Never change Ners. Well, I mean, change your username when you're permabanned for the 6th time. But please come back! I can't get enough of your entertainment. You're too "real" for me.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/04/03/buzz-williams-reportedly-leaving-virginia-tech-texas-am/%3foutputType=amp
Paywall
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Eye'm gonna put a Post It note on Woj's front door tomorrow dat sum Scoopers are advocatin' four his nappy ass ta get chit kanned, hey?
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Eye'm gonna put a Post It note on Woj's front door tomorrow dat sum Scoopers are advocatin' four his nappy ass ta get chit kanned, hey?
Well now we found out who the leak is....
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Real world reality? We're talking about trying to hire a coach who will have no less than 10 NBA franchises at least gaging his interest, to go along with all but maybe 5 college programs that would drop everything for him, and we think the guy would take a call from Marquette University?
And I'm the one struggling with real world reality?
LOL!
Never change Ners. Well, I mean, change your username when you're permabanned for the 6th time. But please come back! I can't get enough of your entertainment. You're too "real" for me.
No wonder you like Wojo so much...you have chicken little expectations of Marquette University. Why do you think so little of MU/MU Hoops?
Guys like you clearly live in safe spaces due to ego fragility. Too afraid to lose. Too afraid to be rejected. Living life as a wallflower.
So what if Donovan doesn't take MU's call? Maybe he doesn't. Maybe he does. It's making an f'ing phone call/feeler to try to improve your program "business."
BTW - I think MU Hoops is a Top 20 program/job. Let's face it, your wonder boy, Wojo, apparently was waiting for the ideal job to present itself...
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Shhhh, these 3-5 experts know everything. Just ask them, they'll tell you.
True. We shall stand down.
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You all realize that MDDG has no belief that Billy Donovan is coming to MU and was just trying to start a projo vs. nojo debate, right?
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No wonder you like Wojo so much...you have chicken little expectations of Marquette University. Why do you think so little of MU/MU Hoops?
Guys like you clearly live in safe spaces due to ego fragility. Too afraid to lose. Too afraid to be rejected. Living life as a wallflower.
So what if Donovan doesn't take MU's call? Maybe he doesn't. Maybe he does. It's making an f'ing phone call/feeler to try to improve your program "business."
BTW - I think MU Hoops is a Top 20 program/job. Let's face it, your wonder boy, Wojo, apparently was waiting for the ideal job to present itself...
I live in reality. You don’t.
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The only phone call from a 414 area code Billy Donovan is answering is from the Bucks. I'd love to see his laughter if Marquette left him a voicemail (because again, there is a 0.000000% chance he answers a phone call from Marquette University) seeing if he'd have any interest in their basketball coaching position.
But heck. Let's get on the phone with Brad Stevens while we're at it. He was a slightly less successful college coach. Maybe he wants back in.
Nah, why would we want a mid-major guy?
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Let's face it, this is a business. In the business world, I interview 2-3 extremely high level candidates per year - even when I have no job openings - just to be sure that the team I have is the best I can get. If I find a good one from these interviews, even if I have no openings, I make sure my company hires him or her somewhere. When I find someone really good, I find a way to get them on my team.
Sometimes it takes 2-3 years to get them, by the way...
It's all about how you do it. It's never on premises, it's never discussed. In most cases, HR doesn't even know (they would leak).
So, should MU interview Donovan? Heck yes... but on the QT, and none of us nor any of the current staff should ever know.
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Let's face it, this is a business. In the business world, I interview 2-3 extremely high level candidates per year - even when I have no job openings - just to be sure that the team I have is the best I can get. If I find a good one from these interviews, even if I have no openings, I make sure my company hires him or her somewhere. When I find someone really good, I find a way to get them on my team.
Sometimes it takes 2-3 years to get them, by the way...
It's all about how you do it. It's never on premises, it's never discussed. In most cases, HR doesn't even know (they would leak).
So, should MU interview Donovan? Heck yes... but on the QT, and none of us nor any of the current staff should ever know.
This is a poor analogy on a number of levels. There is one head coach. He wouldn't be joining a "team." He would be the head coach.
Second, why would he interview for a job that isn't open? Why would he have any interest in Marquette anyway?
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This is a poor analogy on a number of levels. There is one head coach. He wouldn't be joining a "team." He would be the head coach.
Second, why would he interview for a job that isn't open? Why would he have any interest in Marquette anyway?
Dont know if you dont ask.
So many responses in this thread just show how little the scoop intelligentsia actually knows about the real world and how things are done in the business world.
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Dont know if you dont ask.
So many responses in this thread just show how little the scoop intelligentsia actually knows about the real world and how things are done in the business world.
ZiggysContrarianBoy out in full force again.
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Dont know if you dont ask.
So many responses in this thread just show how little the scoop intelligentsia actually knows about the real world and how things are done in the business world.
LOL...sure.
I mean, do you think Scholl reached out to Donovan's people?
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I live in reality. You don’t.
Doesn't surprise you are an aim low kind of guy Wades/BLM - probably have dealt with consistent rejection in your life. Why is it you have such a low opinion of the Marquette head coaching job?
Does the Al McGuire center suck?
Does Fiserv suck?
Does the Big East Conference suck?
Does our budget/spend for Men's basketball suck?
Does our fan support/attendance suck?
Does Milwaukee suck? (Gainsville Florida is an okay place, due to warmer weather, yet nor sure it's a better city than Milwaukee...or Oklahoma City for that matter.)
Just trying to understand why a passionate MU Hoops fan wouldn't even make a call to a coach of Donovan's caliber?
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Dont know if you dont ask.
So many responses in this thread just show how little the scoop intelligentsia actually knows about the real world and how things are done in the business world.
Hope you've made your daily calls to Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, and others to see if they'd be interesting in running your company.
Hey, they haven't said "No" yet, have they?
I have so much to learn about how the "real world" and "business" world work.
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Doesn't surprise you are an aim low kind of guy Wades/BLM - probably have dealt with consistent rejection in your life. Why is it you have such a low opinion of the Marquette head coaching job?
Does the Al McGuire center suck?
Does Fiserv suck?
Does the Big East Conference suck?
Does our budget/spend for Men's basketball suck?
Does our fan support/attendance suck?
Does Milwaukee suck? (Gainsville Florida is an okay place, due to warmer weather, yet nor sure it's a better city than Milwaukee...or Oklahoma City for that matter.)
Just trying to understand why a passionate MU Hoops fan wouldn't even make a call to a coach of Donovan's caliber?
Aren’t you the one who cried on Scoop about having to live in the low life black community where fathers aren’t around, buildings smell like piss and weed, and people shouldn’t be having kids because your business failed?
Maybe you should actually live in reality.
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The people who believe Billy Donovan would choose Marquette (and MU could afford him) are those who've labeled themselves the Realists of Scoop.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/6cFbLLKg48Fm8/giphy.gif)
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It's amazing that this thread got to three pages. It's amazing there is a thread on this at all.
So let me get this straight:
Some of you on here think that Billy Donovan, who just finished 3rd in the NBA Coach of the Year voting, and turned down an extension to stay with his current NBA coaching job, did that so he could go back to college and coach at Marquette? Seriously? You don't think that he did that because there are 3 or 4 NBA openings that are potentially better jobs, and that he'd be the lead candidate for?
Are you the same guys who think that Brad Stevens is going to leave the Boston Celtics and take the Duke job when K retires? Do you realize that pretty much every NBA job is significantly better than every single college job? Has any coach EVER purposefully left an NBA job that he was successful at in order to go down a level to coach in college? I don't mean guys that were fired and had no pro options going to colllege out of neccessity (Pitino, Floyd, Montgomery, etc)
Some of you guys just need to think sometimes.
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I'm going to go on record and say that Billy Donovan will not be the coach of any college program for the 2020-2021 season.
Is anyone really asserting that this will end up being a false statement?
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Has any coach EVER purposefully left an NBA job that he was successful at in order to go down a level to coach in college?
That's only because athletic directors don't know how things work in the real world and simply never asked.
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It's amazing that this thread got to three pages. It's amazing there is a thread on this at all.
So let me get this straight:
Some of you on here think that Billy Donovan, who just finished 3rd in the NBA Coach of the Year voting, and turned down an extension to stay with his current NBA coaching job, did that so he could go back to college and coach at Marquette? Seriously? You don't think that he did that because there are 3 or 4 NBA openings that are potentially better jobs, and that he'd be the lead candidate for?
Are you the same guys who think that Brad Stevens is going to leave the Boston Celtics and take the Duke job when K retires? Do you realize that pretty much every NBA job is significantly better than every single college job? Has any coach EVER purposefully left an NBA job that he was successful at in order to go down a level to coach in college? I don't mean guys that were fired and had no pro options going to colllege out of neccessity (Pitino, Floyd, Montgomery, etc)
Some of you guys just need to think sometimes.
I mean, there is a selection of folks here that believe there is a cabal of child snatchers in Hollywood that drink their blood to gain life preserving powers (I think this is how this goes)... So I guess you could say, yes, there are delusional half wits that inhabit parts of this message board.
Sorry in advance.
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This is idiotic. There is a better chance of Al McGuire rising from the dead to take the Marquette job than there is Billy Donovan taking it. Honestly, even posting this much about the topic is giving it more oxygen than it deserves.
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I'm going to go on record and say that Billy Donovan will not be the coach of any college program for the 2020-2021 season.
Is anyone really asserting that this will end up being a false statement?
I don't believe most think so. There is of course, an obligatory discussion of where MU sits in the College Basketball World as a program.
On the one hand believe in yourself and your program. On the other MU isn't getting North of $50 million a year in revenue as say SEC, Big Ten teams etc...in their leagues, let alone other reasons why a perspective coach chooses a particular school.
I believe this discussion will be had until the end of time.
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Bunch of losers who have never amounted to anything in life other than rejection. Betas. Make Marquette Great Again. Demand only the best. If you aren't chasing Jennifer Lawrence then you aren't even living.
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This is idiotic. There is a better chance of Al McGuire rising from the dead to take the Marquette job than there is Billy Donovan taking it. Honestly, even posting this much about the topic is giving it more oxygen than it deserves.
If Al McGuire rises from the dead to coach, I’d be angry if Marquette didn’t call him
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Dead Al coachin' MU wood bee bedder dan a live and kickin' Woj, aina?
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One of the most successful coaches in college basketball history just got fired from his NBA job. And people are out of their minds at the suggestion that Marquette take 5 frickin’ minutes to let him (or more likely his “people”) know that we’re paying attention?
I agree that there is almost zero chance he would be interested in returning to the college game. I further agree that even if he was he probably wouldn’t have interest in Marquette.
So what? It’s a five minute (basically a courtesy) phone call. We put in much more effort than that on high school players who never even consider Marquette. As we should. Due diligence.
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Dead Al coachin' MU wood bee bedder dan a live and kickin' Woj, aina?
Why wood Al want to come back?
I heard he would come back, but the intelligentsia were afraid to call him, cuz the job wasnt open at the moment.
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Why wood Al want to come back?
I heard he would come back, but the intelligentsia were afraid to call him, cuz the job wasnt open at the moment.
I'd make an exception for a reincarnated Al.
So back to my question, do you think Scholl reached out to Donovan's people?
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One of the most successful coaches in college basketball history just got fired from his NBA job. And people are out of their minds at the suggestion that Marquette take 5 frickin’ minutes to let him (or more likely his “people”) know that we’re paying attention?
I agree that there is almost zero chance he would be interested in returning to the college game. I further agree that even if he was he probably wouldn’t have interest in Marquette.
So what? It’s a five minute (basically a courtesy) phone call. We put in much more effort than that on high school players who never even consider Marquette. As we should. Due diligence.
No he didn't. He turned down a 2 year extension offer and left. It was announced as "mutual", but it wasn't. OKC wants to rebuild and save $, Donovan didn't. Lots of good NBA jobs open right now, Philly, Chicago, New Orleans, Indy. He will get one of them, probably already has that deal cut before opting out of OKC.
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/billy-donovan-rejected-thunders-two-year-offer-to-remain-okc-head-coach-before-nba-restart-per-report/#:~:text=NBA%20Schedule-,Billy%20Donovan%20rejected%20Thunder's%20two%2Dyear%20offer%20to%20remain%20OKC,before%20NBA%20restart%2C%20per%20report&text=In%20some%20surprising%20NBA%20news,the%20team%20announced%20Tuesday%20night. (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/billy-donovan-rejected-thunders-two-year-offer-to-remain-okc-head-coach-before-nba-restart-per-report/#:~:text=NBA%20Schedule-,Billy%20Donovan%20rejected%20Thunder's%20two%2Dyear%20offer%20to%20remain%20OKC,before%20NBA%20restart%2C%20per%20report&text=In%20some%20surprising%20NBA%20news,the%20team%20announced%20Tuesday%20night.)
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Aren’t you the one who cried on Scoop about having to live in the low life black community where fathers aren’t around, buildings smell like piss and weed, and people shouldn’t be having kids because your business failed?
Maybe you should actually live in reality.
Yea. That was me. I took a swing at starting a business from the ground up and had a 7-year run. Employed over 150 people in that time. You learn a lot from actually doing. The lessons were expensive, unfortunately.
Easy for lightweight guys who have never actually created one job through their own effort/capital to dis the efforts of those who have.
As for where I used to live - I took personal responsibility for my actions - lived well below the standard I could have. Sorry what I wrote, the truth, offends your liberal "sensibilities." Sorry you believe poor, uneducated people should be having children at rates higher than those who are educated.
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I tried to call Tiger and Phil to golf with me at the 3 day outing I just played in in the middle of nowhere Northern Michigan. Both said it was too cold.
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I'd make an exception for a reincarnated Al.
So back to my question, do you think Scholl reached out to Donovan's people?
No. And that was never my argument.
My point was that the know it alls that didnt think management would be in touch with high performers when there are no current openings were naive and clueless.
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No. And that was never my argument.
My point was that the know it alls that didnt think management would be in touch with high performers when there are no current openings were naive and clueless.
I don't think anyone made that argument, but OK.
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I think it's cool that this thread has grown to 4 pages.
That's all.
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We aren't reaching out to Donovan because we've already promised the job to Beilein. Duh.
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No he didn't. He turned down a 2 year extension offer and left. It was announced as "mutual", but it wasn't. OKC wants to rebuild and save $, Donovan didn't. Lots of good NBA jobs open right now, Philly, Chicago, New Orleans, Indy. He will get one of them, probably already has that deal cut before opting out of OKC.
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/billy-donovan-rejected-thunders-two-year-offer-to-remain-okc-head-coach-before-nba-restart-per-report/#:~:text=NBA%20Schedule-,Billy%20Donovan%20rejected%20Thunder's%20two%2Dyear%20offer%20to%20remain%20OKC,before%20NBA%20restart%2C%20per%20report&text=In%20some%20surprising%20NBA%20news,the%20team%20announced%20Tuesday%20night. (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/billy-donovan-rejected-thunders-two-year-offer-to-remain-okc-head-coach-before-nba-restart-per-report/#:~:text=NBA%20Schedule-,Billy%20Donovan%20rejected%20Thunder's%20two%2Dyear%20offer%20to%20remain%20OKC,before%20NBA%20restart%2C%20per%20report&text=In%20some%20surprising%20NBA%20news,the%20team%20announced%20Tuesday%20night.)
Jake
Thanks for this - the report I read said he had been fired. Probably changes our chances from one in a million to one in a billion. I still don’t think 5 minutes for a courtesy call is a bad idea, though.
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No. And that was never my argument.
My point was that the know it alls that didnt think management would be in touch with high performers when there are no current openings were naive and clueless.
I agree with you Ziggy and this is one of the most 'scoopy' threads in a while.
Person 1: Donovan fired | Wojo/Nojo troll
Person 2: Give him a call
Person 3: Unrealistic but that would be cool
Flashmob: You are dumb you cant call someone if you don't have an opening. It will get leaked and bad things.
And then Chaos.
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I agree with you Ziggy and this is one of the most 'scoopy' threads in a while.
Person 1: Donovan fired
Person 2: Give him a call
Person 3: Unrealistic but that would be cool
Flashmob: You are dumb you cant call someone if you don't have an opening. It will get leaked and bad things.
And then Chaos.
Perfect summary of the thread
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I tried to call Tiger and Phil to golf with me at the 3 day outing I just played in in the middle of nowhere Northern Michigan. Both said it was too cold.
No offense, Tower, as I’m sure playing three founds of golf with you would be a thrill for anyone - but did you offer them the 3, 4 or 5 million to play that MU would no doubt offer Donovan? Tiger and Phil could have bought brand new sweaters and windbreakers and still had a few shekels left over.
#cheapskate
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But would Tiger and Phil have walked away from a round they already had scheduled that paid them $6 million in order to do that? Especially if they likely had other offers from better players that would pay them even more?
That's the analogy here.
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No offense, Tower, as I’m sure playing three founds of golf with you would be a thrill for anyone - but did you offer them the 3, 4 or 5 million to play that MU would no doubt offer Donovan? Tiger and Phil could have bought brand new sweaters and windbreakers and still had a few shekels left over.
#cheapskate
Billy Donovan definitely walked away $6+ million a year at OKC to take $3-4 million at Marquette.
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Billy Donovan definitely walked away $6+ million a year at OKC to take $3-4 million at Marquette.
Well, he would if we'd just make the damn call.
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Perfect example:
Tottenham women's team gained promotion to the top league in Women's soccer in England a year ago. Decent first season, the women's team became more integrated with the men's team in terms of training facilities, playing at the new stadium, financial support from the men's team, etc.
Well today, Tottenham signed Alex Morgan on a deal through the end of the year. Alex Morgan is arguably the most famous women's player in the world. 9 million followers on insta, as an example. (Rapinoe has 2 million)
Did anyone expect Alex frickin Morgan would join a team that is entering their 2nd year in the top flight of English football? No. No freakin way. But they made the call
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Perfect example:
Tottenham women's team gained promotion to the top league in Women's soccer in England a year ago. Decent first season, the women's team became more integrated with the men's team in terms of training facilities, playing at the new stadium, financial support from the men's team, etc.
Well today, Tottenham signed Alex Morgan on a deal through the end of the year. Alex Morgan is arguably the most famous women's player in the world. 9 million followers on insta, as an example. (Rapinoe has 2 million)
Did anyone expect Alex frickin Morgan would join a team that is entering their 2nd year in the top flight of English football? No. No freakin way. But they made the call
Loan with no transfer fee. Terrible analogy.
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I'd quibble with your use of the word "perfect" there.
"Completely Meaningless" would have been better.
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Sorry what I wrote, the truth, offends your liberal "sensibilities." Sorry you believe poor, uneducated people should be having children at rates higher than those who are educated.
I'm trying to remember what the belief that one group of people should be allowed to, or has the right to, procreate more than another group of people is called. Ethno chauvinism? Caste enthusiast? I'm sure there is a more direct word to describe your POV. Pretty "interesting" belief to tout though.
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I don't think anyone made that argument, but OK.
Page 1. You were making the argument. And wades was throwing poo, as usual.
But you're right, again, and we'll all just move on.
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Loan with no transfer fee. Terrible analogy.
Major superstar goes to the little guy. Perfect arguement.
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Major superstar goes to the little guy. Perfect arguement.
Despite being new to the WSL, Spurs are by no means "the little guy". Morgan's salary from the Pride (so non-endorsements) is reported at about 60K. Whether or not the Pride could even field a team was in question due to (I believe) 6 recent positive Covid tests. Taking a year off is much less common for players than coaches due to the shorter window, not to mention that she took most of last season off because of her pregnancy, so she'd be taking two years off. None of this is even getting into the fact that soccer teams start 11 players while basketball teams only have one coach, or the major differences between collegiate and professional levels.
I don't know enough about the coach hiring process to say whether or not MU should reach out to Donovan, which is why I hadn't commented in this thread until not, but I do know a bit about soccer and the details that go into player transfers, so I think that making the declaration
Perfect example:
is more than a bit of a stretch. There may be good examples out there that support your case, this just isn't one of them.
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Page 1. You were making the argument.
No...that's not the argument I was making.
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So what? It’s a five minute (basically a courtesy) phone call. We put in much more effort than that on high school players who never even consider Marquette. As we should. Due diligence.
And I should call Gigi Hadid to see if she would be interested ::)
Calling Billy Donovan when we don't have a vacancy, no prior connection, and no indications he'd even be interested isn't due diligence, it's ridiculous. If Doc Rivers was out of a job? Sure. Tony Bennett, who has local ties? I can see that. But calling Donovan...we might as well call Coach K for all the good it would do.
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I'm trying to remember what the belief that one group of people should be allowed to, or has the right to, procreate more than another group of people is called. Ethno chauvinism? Caste enthusiast? I'm sure there is a more direct word to describe your POV. Pretty "interesting" belief to tout though.
Eugenics.
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Major superstar goes to the little guy. Perfect arguement.
No it isn't.
Yours in an analogy as to why Wojo would recruit over a recent highly ranked recruit with an even higher one the next year. Not for why you would attempt to hire Billy Donovan *unless you were committed to making a change in the first place.*
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Eugenics.
That's right! I wonder why it's not a widely popular approach?
*paging Dr. Godwin*
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Woodant it bee da chit if Woj actually wuz readin' dis? Ma has his cell number and should ring 'im up, aina?
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Ahh yes. The voices of reason making “perfect comparisons” by comparing women’s soccer players to an NBA coach fielding a call from a college program.
Perfect indeed! I wish I could be this reasonable.
Sheesh.
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I agree with you Ziggy and this is one of the most 'scoopy' threads in a while.
Person 1: Donovan fired | Wojo/Nojo troll
Person 2: Give him a call
Person 3: Unrealistic but that would be cool
Flashmob: You are dumb you cant call someone if you don't have an opening. It will get leaked and bad things.
And then Chaos.
Frenns
Nailed it. Flash mob just arguing to be argumentative.
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I agree with you Ziggy and this is one of the most 'scoopy' threads in a while.
Person 1: Donovan fired | Wojo/Nojo troll
Person 2: Give him a call
Person 3: Unrealistic but that would be cool
Flashmob: You are dumb you cant call someone if you don't have an opening. It will get leaked and bad things.
And then Chaos.
Not bad, but you forgot a couple of people:
Person 4: You're just a loser who doesn't understand really real-life reality.
Person 5: Something like this would never get leaked because reasons.
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Yea. That was me. I took a swing at starting a business from the ground up and had a 7-year run. Employed over 150 people in that time. You learn a lot from actually doing. The lessons were expensive, unfortunately.
Easy for lightweight guys who have never actually created one job through their own effort/capital to dis the efforts of those who have.
As for where I used to live - I took personal responsibility for my actions - lived well below the standard I could have. Sorry what I wrote, the truth, offends your liberal "sensibilities." Sorry you believe poor, uneducated people should be having children at rates higher than those who are educated.
Thoughts and prayers.
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I'm trying to remember what the belief that one group of people should be allowed to, or has the right to, procreate more than another group of people is called. Ethno chauvinism? Caste enthusiast? I'm sure there is a more direct word to describe your POV. Pretty "interesting" belief to tout though.
Sorry you don't understand the basic premise. My opinion isn't race specific. In my view, poor, uneducated people, should not be bringing kids into this world - particularly if they expect the same opportunities and lifestyle as those brought into the world by educated people - or at least people old enough to have a degree of common sense, and intention of accountability.
As for Billy Donovan...none of us who advocate for making the call think he'd come to MU, yet there is zero downside to making an inquiry. If Wojo got mad because MU inquired (in the minute chance it would leak), he's too thin skinned to be a successful coach anyway - though I think he's shown his think skin multiple times.
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Thoughts and prayers.
Rainbows and unicorns.
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Sorry you don't understand the basic premise. My opinion isn't race specific. In my view, poor, uneducated people, should not be bringing kids into this world - particularly if they expect the same opportunities and lifestyle as those brought into the world by educated people - or at least people old enough to have a degree of common sense, and intention of accountability.
As for Billy Donovan...none of us who advocate for making the call think he'd come to MU, yet there is zero downside to making an inquiry. If Wojo got mad because MU inquired (in the minute chance it would leak), he's too thin skinned to be a successful coach anyway - though I think he's shown his think skin multiple times.
Cool! So you are a Caste Enthusiast, thanks for clarifying that it isn't race based but based on the family to which someone was born. Do you call the people who shouldn't reproduce based on socioeconomic standards 'untouchables' like the Hindu/India caste system or do you have a christian name for that group?
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Ners playing god. I knew it’d get here, I didn’t think it’d take Billy Donovan looking for other NBA jobs to not go through a rebuild to get there.
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Sorry you don't understand the basic premise. My opinion isn't race specific. In my view, poor, uneducated people, should not be bringing kids into this world - particularly if they expect the same opportunities and lifestyle as those brought into the world by educated people - or at least people old enough to have a degree of common sense, and intention of accountability.
As for Billy Donovan...none of us who advocate for making the call think he'd come to MU, yet there is zero downside to making an inquiry. If Wojo got mad because MU inquired (in the minute chance it would leak), he's too thin skinned to be a successful coach anyway - though I think he's shown his think skin multiple times.
Recruits here about the inquiry and don't commit to MU because they don't believe Wojos job is secure.
There's your downside.
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Recruits here about the inquiry and don't commit to MU because they don't believe Wojos job is secure.
There's your downside.
Right.
It also provides negative recruiting fodder, gives commits reason to second-guess their decision and frays relationships between the coaching staff and administration (not just Wojo, but DK, Gainey, Presutti, etc., some or all of whom would probably be out of work just weeks before the season begins).
Even if there's only a tiny chance of any of that happening, it's still a billion times more likely than Billy Donovan coming to Marquette. I can't say enough, even if Donovan were interested, MU couldn't come close to meeting his asking price. He walked away from $6+ million at OKC. Even at a discount, MU probably couldn't afford him under normal circumstances, and definitely not in the middle of a pandemic when the school is staring down massive revenue losses.
To be cliche, the juice isn't worth the squeeze ... mostly because there's no juice.
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Recruits here about the inquiry and don't commit to MU because they don't believe Wojos job is secure.
There's your downside.
LOL. We’ve already been assured there’s a 0.00000% chance Donovan takes the call. The chances of losing a recruit over a phone call to an out of work future Hall of Fame coach that is never answered are as remote as the likelihood of Al McGuire rising from the dead and returning to the MU beach. So, not all that likely. But if we do, good riddance. If that recruit doesn’t want to play for Al, I don’t want him at MU.
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LOL. We’ve already been assured there’s a 0.00000% chance Donovan takes the call. The chances of losing a recruit over a phone call to an out of work future Hall of Fame coach that is never answered are as remote as the likelihood of Al McGuire rising from the dead and returning to the MU beach. So, not all that likely. But if we do, good riddance. If that recruit doesn’t want to play for Al, I don’t want him at MU.
Your opinion is that recruits don't care about the head coach they commit to? Or if that coach will be there throughout their time at the school?
Again, in my scenario, a recruit hears MU is reaching out to coaching prospects. You don't think that would be interpreted negatively?
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LOL. We’ve already been assured there’s a 0.00000% chance Donovan takes the call. The chances of losing a recruit over a phone call to an out of work future Hall of Fame coach that is never answered are as remote as the likelihood of Al McGuire rising from the dead and returning to the MU beach. So, not all that likely. But if we do, good riddance. If that recruit doesn’t want to play for Al, I don’t want him at MU.
When your talking points devolve to "I don't want a recruit who won't play for Zombie Al McGuire!" ... then perhaps it's time to log off for the night.
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Cool! So you are a Caste Enthusiast, thanks for clarifying that it isn't race based but based on the family to which someone was born. Do you call the people who shouldn't reproduce based on socioeconomic standards 'untouchables' like the Hindu/India caste system or do you have a christian name for that group?
I should clarify. I don't have an issue with poor, uneducated people having kids, IF there is an actual FAMILY structure present. The reality is, that is very commonplace in 1st generation Hispanics in America. Yet for some odd reason Hispanics don't seem to endure all of the drama and problems faced by American born Blacks. Hispanic culture, IMO is one that should be admired and modeled - love, and accountability to family first and foremost above all else.
I know most liberals usually are looking for ways to be triggered, but perhaps you should consider taking a less emotional view/reaction. But I'm sure you'll probably #resist.
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I should clarify. I don't have an issue with poor, uneducated people having kids, IF there is an actual FAMILY structure present. The reality is, that is very commonplace in 1st generation Hispanics in America. Yet for some odd reason Hispanics don't seem to endure all of the drama and problems faced by American born Blacks. Hispanic culture, IMO is one that should be admired and modeled - love, and accountability to family first and foremost above all else.
I know most liberals usually are looking for ways to be triggered, but perhaps you should consider taking a less emotional view/reaction. But I'm sure you'll probably #resist.
You calling someone else “triggered” made me lol.
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You calling someone else “triggered” made me lol.
+1.
Also love that Ners gets to determine what values should be sought after by every human.
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You calling someone else “triggered” made me lol.
https://mobile.twitter.com/mu_iceman
This guy? Triggered? Shut the front door!
Triggered “AF.”
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You calling someone else “triggered” made me lol.
Yeah, that was a pretty good one.
#captainofthesnowflakes
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You calling someone else “triggered” made me lol.
+1.
Also love that Ners gets to determine what values should be sought after by every human.
https://mobile.twitter.com/mu_iceman
This guy? Triggered? Shut the front door!
Triggered “AF.”
Yeah, that was a pretty good one.
#captainofthesnowflakes
I'll concede. I did get triggered. Due to the Intelligentsia here, all of you included, believing Derrick Wilson wasn't the primary reason we sucked in Buzz's last season, AND that Steve Wojo would bring us to Duke-like levels of success - I did get triggered.
Idiocy as it relates to MU hoops and common sense does trigger me. But hey, carry on and stay "woke." And never stop #resisting. #disruptwesternprescribednuclearfamily.
Sidenote - Perhaps liberals should temper the #resist mentality - seems the Black men involved in these tragic incidents were heeding the rallying call to #resist.
No personal accountability. No peace.
Snowflakes: https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/09/politics/hillary-clinton-shock-election-party/index.html
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I'll concede. I did get triggered. Due to the Intelligentsia here, all of you included, believing Derrick Wilson wasn't the primary reason we sucked in Buzz's last season, AND that Steve Wojo would bring us to Duke-like levels of success - I did get triggered.
Idiocy as it relates to MU hoops and common sense does trigger me. But hey, carry on and stay "woke." And never stop #resisting. #disruptwesternprescribednuclearfamily.
Sidenote - Perhaps liberals should temper the #resist mentality - seems the Black men involved in these tragic incidents were heeding the rallying call to #resist.
No personal accountability. No peace.
Snowflakes: https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/09/politics/hillary-clinton-shock-election-party/index.html
At least you were smart enough to make your twitter handle MU_iceman. The snowflake of all snowflakes.
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At least you were smart enough to make your twitter handle MU_iceman. The snowflake of all snowflakes.
Pretty sure iceman is muguru
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Pretty sure iceman is muguru
There is no way we have two adult male MU fans that use “AF” regularly. None.
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At least you were smart enough to make your twitter handle MU_iceman. The snowflake of all snowflakes.
Bias - I've got to hand it to you, you win the award for the poster who most consistently misses the mark on Scoop, and that is saying something.
In your bizarro world, somehow you've reached the conclusion that I created that Twitter handle. Once again, you are wrong.
And I write this to you, without bias, despite thinking you are Scoop's biggest tool, and that too is saying something.
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Bias - I've got to hand it to you, you win the award for the poster who most consistently misses the mark on Scoop, and that is saying something.
In your bizarro world, somehow you've reached the conclusion that I created that Twitter handle. Once again, you are wrong.
And I write this to you, without bias, despite thinking you are Scoop's biggest tool, and that too is saying something.
I think you meant “Wrong AF.”
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There is no way we have two adult male MU fans that use “AF” regularly. None.
Iceman and guru are 100% the same person. Iceman is his handle on brewcityball.
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Is there a handy Scoop user name etymology anywhere?
Ners ---> Elon Musk
? (Chicos?) ---> Pace Arrow
? (Heisey's burner account?)---> Trump Loves Big East
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Is there a handy Scoop user name etymology anywhere?
Ners ---> Elon Musk
? (Chicos?) ---> Pace Arrow
? (Heisey's burner account?)---> Trump Loves Big East
Gus -> MUFINY-> Herman Cain -> Trump Loves the Big East
I may actually even be forgetting a name in there.
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Well damn. MU should’ve definitely made that call!
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Well damn. MU should’ve definitely made that call!
Heard he held out until now hoping for the call, but finally had to go with his second option.
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Heard he held out until now hoping for the call, but finally had to go with his second option.
Heard he told his agent that he would only take a job within 2hrs drive in case the call comes later
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It was always a stupid premise.
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It was always a stupid premise.
Why do you have such low expectations for Marquette basketball? Why are you okay with mediocrity?
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Why do you have such low expectations for Marquette basketball? Why are you okay with mediocrity?
No kidding.
Maybe Billy was looking for a $3 million pay cut to coach at a lower level. Maybe he misses spending his spring and summer on the AAU circuit chasing after teenagers and sucking up to street agents. Maybe he misses gland-handing self-important boosters.
How do you know unless you call?
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No kidding.
Maybe Billy was looking for a $3 million pay cut to coach at a lower level. Maybe he misses spending his spring and summer on the AAU circuit chasing after teenagers and sucking up to street agents. Maybe he misses gland-handing self-important boosters.
How do you know unless you call?
Maybe he misses not dealing with insanely overinflated egos of superstars and rookies. Maybe he misses dealing with crappy GMs and managers deciding who he drafts. Maybe he misses crowds that are actually enthusiastic and not the epitome of fair weather.
Again I said it was highly unlikely, but I'd rather reach out and get rejected than assume nobody wants to be with me.
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Time to call Phil Jackson!
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Maybe he misses not dealing with insanely overinflated egos of superstars and rookies. Maybe he misses dealing with crappy GMs and managers deciding who he drafts. Maybe he misses crowds that are actually enthusiastic and not the epitome of fair weather.
Well, he just took another NBA job, so I think we know the answer.
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Well, he just took another NBA job, so I think we know the answer.
Yes we do now, this response is the equivalent of never raising in poker. Hindsight's always 20/20 but in foresight I'd take a chance 100% of the time even if I end up with egg on my face.
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Yes we do now, this response is the equivalent of never raising in poker. Hindsight's always 20/20 but in foresight I'd take a chance 100% of the time even if I end up with egg on my face.
Hindsight was never needed. We always knew the answer.
Or do we? Fire the admin, replace the entire BOT. Donovan wanted in. We just never called.
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Lotsa rumors that Pop will leave San Antonio.
Shame on MU if we don't call him.
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Yes we do now, this response is the equivalent of never raising in poker. Hindsight's always 20/20 but in foresight I'd take a chance 100% of the time even if I end up with egg on my face.
Not a chance. You look foolish and out of touch and just pulled the rug out from under your basketball coach.
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Pat Forde @ByPatForde
Contrary to the understandable fantasies of several fan bases, the college game isn’t getting Brad Stephens or Billy D back, at least not anytime soon.
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Pat Forde @ByPatForde
Contrary to the understandable fantasies of several fan bases, the college game isn’t getting Brad Stephens or Billy D back, at least not anytime soon.
That’s because people are too afraid and won’t risk getting to sleep with the 10 when they’re a 2. Happens all the time, you just have to ask.
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That’s because people are too afraid and won’t risk getting to sleep with the 10 when they’re a 2. Happens all the time, you just have to ask.
You think MU as a 2? That's a crappy opinion.
I think this is hilarious that you sultan And pakuni are so offended by the idea of even making a feeler you've come up with a million reasons to not do it. Even when the other side is saying "yeah you're right it's not going to happen" it's somehow offensive to you three. ::)
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Jennifer Aniston is single again. Yet I haven't disrupted my marriage by calling. Clearly a failing on my part.
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Jennifer Aniston is single again. Yet I haven't disrupted my marriage by calling. Clearly a failing on my part.
Is your marriage stale and not living up to the hype? Has your wife taken calls from other suitors? Have some of your best kids run away because you aren't paying attention to them? Maybe rather than calling, you have your guy simply ask their agent, any chance you're interested in getting out of the spotlight?
Also Pop or Kerr would be Aniston Donovan is hardly Aniston unless we're just talking his college record
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What marriage is living up to the hype? I do have one kid successfully out of the house. My wife interacts with other guys all of the time. Legal secretary. And I am still not calling Jennifer Aniston.
Maybe this is Wojo's last year. Maybe it is the year he grows beyond his Duke roots. Billy Donovan was never coming back to college and it would have been stupid to call.
Regardless of the status of the marriage, completely betraying the other for a pipe dream fantasy is dumb.
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You think MU as a 2? That's a crappy opinion.
For a successful NBA coach who just walked away from $6 million a year in hopes of greener pastures ... MU is a -1.
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Jennifer Aniston is single again. Yet I haven't disrupted my marriage by calling. Clearly a failing on my part.
I doubt very much you consider your wedding vows analogous to the business arrangement between MU and Wojo. But if you do, what’s the buyout if you fire your bride and replace her with Aniston? Or if she dumps you for Clooney?
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What marriage is living up to the hype?
Mine!
44 years ago, I met my wife in the language building. Forty years ago, I married her.
She's been everything she promised. I guess I've been too.
Hope Wojo is everything he promised Marquette. This is the year we really begin to find out!
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What marriage is living up to the hype? I do have one kid successfully out of the house. My wife interacts with other guys all of the time. Legal secretary. And I am still not calling Jennifer Aniston.
Maybe this is Wojo's last year. Maybe it is the year he grows beyond his Duke roots. Billy Donovan was never coming back to college and it would have been stupid to call.
Don't know not married, if we're sticking with basketball metaphors Gonzaga, Wichita State, Villanova, Duke, Kansas, UNC, Michigan St, Oklahoma, Florida, heck given some marriages expectations you could have Seton Hall, Providence, etc are all happy in their marriages.
The metaphor wouldn't be kids left their house that'd relate to graduating. I suppose ran away would be better relating to transfer.
I don't claim to know how often legal secretaries are being hit on at work but in the case of Wojo he took a call from VATech which wouldn't be interacting, but more her telling you "I'm willing to leave this marriage if mr dreamboat comes along but you're stuck with me"
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Do you guys never play slots? Have never gotten a lottery ticket? Both these things I know are extremely unlikely for me to win. But yeah if I'm in Vegas (or god forbid I ever return to Pottowatami) then sure why the hell not.
Remember when Loyola went to the Final Four? VCU? George Washington? That was "never going to happen", someone placed a bet on it at the beginning of the year and won a crap ton of money.
Someone previously posted that you guys are acting like we were going to conference call Billy D, Wojo, ESPN, and all the players. I was essentially saying it's worth an email to an agent asking if Donovan is considering a return to college. And here we are weeks later and you guys are still acting like I suggested something that is against some holy law.
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And here we are weeks later and you guys are still acting like I suggested something that is against some holy law.
Nah.
We're just suggesting it's dumb and pointless.
Like, you know how the sports world mocks Ole Miss or Nebraska when they have a coaching opening and message board goofballs start tracking flights out of Tuscaloosa?
That's the people here suggesting MU should call Billy Donovan.
It's not a cardinal sin, just remarkable ignorance of the basketball landscape.
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It's not against some "holy law." It's just not a very good idea, especially when you have a coach already in place.
It doesn't take much for "Marquette reached out to Billy Donovan" rumors to get out and then you have a mess on your hands. Especially when your chances of landing him were miniscule to begin with.
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Do you guys never play slots? Have never gotten a lottery ticket? Both these things I know are extremely unlikely for me to win. But yeah if I'm in Vegas (or god forbid I ever return to Pottowatami) then sure why the hell not.
Remember when Loyola went to the Final Four? VCU? George Washington? That was "never going to happen", someone placed a bet on it at the beginning of the year and won a crap ton of money.
Someone previously posted that you guys are acting like we were going to conference call Billy D, Wojo, ESPN, and all the players. I was essentially saying it's worth an email to an agent asking if Donovan is considering a return to college. And here we are weeks later and you guys are still acting like I suggested something that is against some holy law.
A lottery ticket is a one way street. The only way you get one is if you proactively buy it. Plus, you aren’t risking pissing off the lottery ticket you are currently holding.
Honestly, if Billy Donovan has a burning desire to get back into college coaching, I’m pretty sure he has in mind the schools he’s willing to go to. His agent would be reaching out.
It seems like Wojo took a call from Va Tech, and maybe others. However, that’s sort of the way the landscape is set up. If your company is reaching out to others through back channels, they are most likely on the path to let you go. IMO, we should only be reaching out if ready to fire Wojo anyways.
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I think I can figure this out.
The amount of damage MU reaching out to Donovan could do was probably very small. I think most are overstating the potential impact. But the likelihood of that low impact happening was pretty high. Those stating that there was zero risk are incorrect.
The chance that Donovan was coming to MU was somewhere in the realm of .0001%. But it would be a huge reward if he did.
So reaching out would have a high probability of having a minuscule negative impact on the program.....and have a virtually non-existent probability of having a huge positive impact on the program.
Conclusion: MDDG is a troll
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When Jimmy and Jae put away the Celtics, MU better be reaching out to Brad Stevens. I hear he really wants to return to the Midwest, make less than half what he does now, and get to lie to the mothers of 18-year-olds again.
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When Jimmy and Jae put away the Celtics, MU better be reaching out to Brad Stevens. I hear he really wants to return to the Midwest, make less than half what he does now, and get to lie to the mothers of 18-year-olds again.
Does he call them pretty even though they really aren't?
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When Jimmy and Jae put away the Celtics, MU better be reaching out to Brad Stevens. I hear he really wants to return to the Midwest, make less than half what he does now, and get to lie to the mothers of 18-year-olds again.
Stevens Celtics salary is 3.6m, (https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/brad-stevens-13387/)
Buzz Williams was making 3m at MU
(https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10648381/buzz-williams-leave-marquette-golden-eagles-coach-virginia-tech-hokies)
Do you think we'd pay Stevens Wojo's 1.7m or do you think we'd pay him closer to Buzz?
Also given that Boston is the 16th most expensive city in the states while MKE drops down to 82 (https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/region_rankings.jsp?title=2018®ion=019) not to mention the considerably higher tax rates in Mass vs WI then the money isn't as different as you're suggesting. plus since Stevens is from the Midwest I would again say at least sending an email saying "hey are you interested in coming back to college at all?" Would be worth it if he was just fired, even if it was 0.00001% chance and he sends us laughing emojis back.
Now Watch everybody spin this as me thinking we could hire away the Celtics coach ::)
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Stevens Celtics salary is 3.6m, (https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/brad-stevens-13387/)
His agent sucks or they are angling for the monster extension, cause that salary is deceptive. Most would argue Stevens is in the top 3rd of NBA coaches, if not higher. His salary is in the bottom quarter. Guys like Donovan, Dwayne Casey, even F-ing Scott Brooks, were in the $6-7MM range
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His agent sucks or they are angling for the monster extension, cause that salary is deceptive. Most would argue Stevens is in the top 3rd of NBA coaches, if not higher. His salary is in the bottom quarter. Guys like Donovan, Dwayne Casey, even F-ing Scott Brooks, were in the $6-7MM range
I don't disagree he should be making a crap ton more. I mean 3.6m in Boston barely gets you a town house in the south end.
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When Jimmy and Jae put away the Celtics, MU better be reaching out to Brad Stevens. I hear he really wants to return to the Midwest, make less than half what he does now, and get to lie to the mothers of 18-year-olds again.
If Brad Stevens gets let go by the Celtics, why not give him a courtesy call?
Look, this whole “Wojo’s feelings might be hurt” is a bunch of crap. He (and everyone else on the planet) knows that Billy Donovan or Brad Stevens is a whole lot better at coaching basketball than he is. He knows MU would can him in a nanosecond for either one. Just like MU knows that if the Lakers come calling Wojo would be on the first plane to LA.
There are a bunch of reasons that make any of the aforementioned extremely unlikely. No harm in taking 5 minutes to inquire, though.
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I think I can figure this out.
The amount of damage MU reaching out to Donovan could do was probably very small. I think most are overstating the potential impact. But the likelihood of that low impact happening was pretty high. Those stating that there was zero risk are incorrect.
The chance that Donovan was coming to MU was somewhere in the realm of .0001%. But it would be a huge reward if he did.
So reaching out would have a high probability of having a minuscule negative impact on the program.....and have a virtually non-existent probability of having a huge positive impact on the program.
Conclusion: MDDG is a troll
Crean sucks
ND sucks
Bo Ryan molests collies
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Is your marriage stale and not living up to the hype? Has your wife taken calls from other suitors? Have some of your best kids run away because you aren't paying attention to them? Maybe rather than calling, you have your guy simply ask their agent, any chance you're interested in getting out of the spotlight?
Also Pop or Kerr would be Aniston Donovan is hardly Aniston unless we're just talking his college record
Has this ever been sourced? I assume it's referencing wojo and VT?
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Has this ever been sourced? I assume it's referencing wojo and VT?
Top of page 2 of this thread I posted a link at your request.
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If Brad Stevens gets let go by the Celtics, why not give him a courtesy call?
Look, this whole “Wojo’s feelings might be hurt” is a bunch of crap. He (and everyone else on the planet) knows that Billy Donovan or Brad Stevens is a whole lot better at coaching basketball than he is. He knows MU would can him in a nanosecond for either one. Just like MU knows that if the Lakers come calling Wojo would be on the first plane to LA.
There are a bunch of reasons that make any of the aforementioned extremely unlikely. No harm in taking 5 minutes to inquire, though.
Why even risk collateral damage?
There is a 0% chance that Donovan was going to go back to college. He quit in Oklahoma because he did not want to go through a complete rebuild. There was no question that there would be numerous NBA jobs for him to choose from.
So I believe there is harm in taking 5 minutes to inquire. It doesn't do a thing to help MU and it damages his own prospects in the NBA by appearing desperate to quickly grab whatever job he can.
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It’s also more than hurt feelings. It pulls the rug out recruiting-wise. It’s just a dumb idea.
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It’s also more than hurt feelings. It pulls the rug out recruiting-wise. It’s just a dumb idea.
Exactly. The damage may be minor, but there's ZERO chance Donovan would be coming to Marquette, so why bother to risk any damage at all?
Despite what some here wish to believe, there's no upside to making the call.
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If Brad Stevens gets let go by the Celtics, why not give him a courtesy call?
Look, this whole “Wojo’s feelings might be hurt” is a bunch of crap. He (and everyone else on the planet) knows that Billy Donovan or Brad Stevens is a whole lot better at coaching basketball than he is. He knows MU would can him in a nanosecond for either one. Just like MU knows that if the Lakers come calling Wojo would be on the first plane to LA.
There are a bunch of reasons that make any of the aforementioned extremely unlikely. No harm in taking 5 minutes to inquire, though.
Wait ... Wojo is gonna coach the Lakers? That means Frank Vogel will be available to MU.
Stevens Celtics salary is 3.6m, (https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/brad-stevens-13387/)
I admit that I just fired out what I did not knowing how much Stevens made. I assumed it was more, and when one assumes ...
I guess I figured this entire thread is so ridiculous, pages and pages of folks arguing about a hypothetical that is so hypothetical it is a misuse of the word "hypothetical," that I'm simply giving it the seriousness that it deserves.
But sure ... MU should be calling Donovan's people, Stevens' people, Popovich's people, etc, etc, etc. It would be fun!
And again, why not Phil Jackson? We don't know for 100% certainty that he would turn it down. Maybe only 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% ... but that means there would still be a chance to land the most accomplished basketball coach ever!
And he'd probably be able to get Michael to MU for that final year of eligibility MJ has!
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Which is why the hyperbole being thrown about makes no sense. Saying a back channel call ruins MU recruiting or discredits Wojo is as silly as thinking that Billy returns the overture.
Since we are all repeating the same things from earlier, here is my ‘contribution’
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It’s also more than hurt feelings. It pulls the rug out recruiting-wise. It’s just a dumb idea.
That's what I meant by collateral damage.
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Looks pretty obvious to me that nobody's giving an inch here and Wades was unnecessarily reviving a week old thread to make some kind of weird "told you so" point when we had all said it wasn't happening anyways.
Nice job wades.
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Y knot bang da snot outta sumwon bedder lookin' dan Aniston, hey?
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Top of page 2 of this thread I posted a link at your request.
Ya. That's not a source.
"...multiple people with knowledge of the situation have indicated Marquette’s Steve Wojciechowski is a target."
A source about Wojo being a target for the VT admin is far different than a source that says Wojo talked to VT admin about moving.
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To the guys saying we should have called: Risk vs reward
Donovan has a less than 1% chance of saying yes, but if he even TAKES the call there is someone who knows that Marquette is looking elsewhere. Sniffing around at least. Gives Wojo firepower for contract negotiations or a reason to walk.
Soooo the RISK heavily outweighs the REWARD.
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Why don't you ask? Because you have the slightest iota of common sense, maybe?
Literally nothing good would have come from it. So why ask? Even if nothing bad came of it, there's literally no chance anything good could come from it.
Seriously, the dude was not running from a job. He was a wanted man at the level he was already at, which is a much higher level of his profession than the one we are at. But wait, that just means my opinion of MU is so damn low. How can I not consider MU a better job than an NBA job?
Seriously. Common sense. That is why you don't ask.
Looks pretty obvious to me that nobody's giving an inch here and Wades was unnecessarily reviving a week old thread to make some kind of weird "told you so" point when we had all said it wasn't happening anyways.
Nice job wades.
Thank you.
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To the guys saying we should have called: Risk vs reward
Donovan has a less than 1% chance of saying yes, but if he even TAKES the call there is someone who knows that Marquette is looking elsewhere. Sniffing around at least. Gives Wojo firepower for contract negotiations or a reason to walk.
Soooo the RISK heavily outweighs the REWARD.
I'd let woj walk for a shot at donovan. Dont let the door hit ya in the ass, anal?
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Chit, eye'd drive 'im two da dog bus station myself, hey?
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Chit, eye'd drive 'im two da dog bus station myself, hey?
Took you that long to come up with something more creative than the original post? And this is the best you could do?
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Fook 'im den. He kan take an Uber, aina?
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I'd let woj walk for a shot at donovan. Dont let the door hit ya in the ass, anal?
You'd let him walk for a chance at a beef and cheddar though. Even without the horsey sauce.
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You'd let him walk for a chance at a beef and cheddar though. Even without the horsey sauce.
Nah, would have to be a 2 for $6 deal.