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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 19, 2024, 03:23:58 PM
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https://painttouches.com/2024/04/19/2024-big-east-roster-tracker/
We did this two seasons ago and decided to bring it back this season. An all in one resource that shows what each Big East team is losing, what they're gaining, and what's still up in the air this offseason. We'll be updating every few days.
Marquette looking very stable.
Depaul and Xavier looking very unstable but bringing in a lot transfers to hopefully come back stronger.
St. John's looking very unstable and no movement yet in the portal
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https://painttouches.com/2024/04/19/2024-big-east-roster-tracker/
We did this two seasons ago and decided to bring it back this season. An all in one resource that shows what each Big East team is losing, what they're gaining, and what's still up in the air this offseason. We'll be updating every few days.
Marquette looking very stable.
Depaul and Xavier looking very unstable but bringing in a lot transfers to hopefully come back stronger.
St. John's looking very unstable and no movement yet in the portal
Villanova:
Malcolm Thomas #150 ranked FR, #34 ranked SC
What does SC stand for?
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Small Center. Duh.
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https://painttouches.com/2024/04/19/2024-big-east-roster-tracker/
We did this two seasons ago and decided to bring it back this season. An all in one resource that shows what each Big East team is losing, what they're gaining, and what's still up in the air this offseason. We'll be updating every few days.
Marquette looking very stable.
Depaul and Xavier looking very unstable but bringing in a lot transfers to hopefully come back stronger.
St. John's looking very unstable and no movement yet in the portal
Thanks for posting this.
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Mentions Hopkins of Providence returning from injury as an addition. No mention of Sean Jones for Marquette.
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Makes me appreciate stability.
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All the movement makes me feel a lot better about MU's chances to be top 3 again in the Big East
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Mentions Hopkins of Providence returning from injury as an addition. No mention of Sean Jones for Marquette.
I noticed that too, but my guess is that's because he is not expected to be able to play at the beginning of the season. Also, there has been speculation that he will redshirt rather than coming in later. Hopkins will begin in November.
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Mentions Hopkins of Providence returning from injury as an addition. No mention of Sean Jones for Marquette.
Honestly, not sure we'll see Jones next year. If his timetable is February, is it worth him giving up a year of eligibility like freshman Junior Cadougan did for 6 weeks of playing time?
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Honestly, not sure we'll see Jones next year. If his timetable is February, is it worth him giving up a year of eligibility like freshman Junior Cadougan did for 6 weeks of playing time?
For the player, preserving eligibility is in their best interest. For the school, it depends.
Keeping Greg Elliott out hurt Marquette's guard depth in 2019. Then Greg used his final year of eligibility at Pittsburgh. So Marquette didn't benefit in that scenario.
If Tre, Zaide, and Damarius are playing well then it makes sense to let Sean sit out. But if we need depth and Sean in healthy enough to play effectively, I say play him.
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Agree that it will be circumstantial, but Greg did play 4 years at Marquette and I believe appeared in every game he was available for. No one in 2018-19 knew that a global pandemic would change eligibility rules or that Greg's coach would be fired in the middle of said pandemic. I also think there was a mutual comfort level with Greg leaving after 2022.
I don't think Marquette was harmed at all in that scenario.
I do agree that it will be circumstantial. We'll see where the team is at when Sean is available, but I do think it is difficult to bring in a rotation guard recovering from injury that late in the season. Looking back at Junior, that was the definition of a wasted year of eligibility.
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For the player, preserving eligibility is in their best interest. For the school, it depends.
Keeping Greg Elliott out hurt Marquette's guard depth in 2019. Then Greg used his final year of eligibility at Pittsburgh. So Marquette didn't benefit in that scenario.
If Tre, Zaide, and Damarius are playing well then it makes sense to let Sean sit out. But if we need depth and Sean in healthy enough to play effectively, I say play him.
coming back too soon risks a reinjury.
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coming back too soon risks a reinjury.
The assumption is that he would be cleared obviously.
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Yes, obviously Sean has to be healthy enough to be cleared. When he is cleared changes the calculus.
Dec 1 or early? Likely return.
~Jan 1 maybe 50/50
~Feb 1 Unlikely return.
It really just depends on how rehab goes.
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Honestly, not sure we'll see Jones next year. If his timetable is February, is it worth him giving up a year of eligibility like freshman Junior Cadougan did for 6 weeks of playing time?
To me, the other questions are where and how he would fit into the roster midway into the season?
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The assumption is that he would be cleared obviously.
"Kolek cleared" or actually cleared?
<ducks>
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Villanova:
Malcolm Thomas #150 ranked FR, #34 ranked SC
What does SC stand for?
It's a typo. Thanks for pointing it out.
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Mentions Hopkins of Providence returning from injury as an addition. No mention of Sean Jones for Marquette.
My reasoning is that based both on what's publically known and what I've heard from others about the injury, I'm very doubtful that Sean will play next season. But it is a fair point that I don't know that to be the case. During my next update I'll add him to Marquette's "In Flux" category.
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https://painttouches.com/2024/04/19/2024-big-east-roster-tracker/
Roster tracker updated. Every team except Marquette has an update this week, continuing our quiet offseason. Meanwhile Seton Hall has lost every one of their starters and all but one of their significant bench players. We also added some projected starting lineups and it is not looking good for the Pirate or Wildcats, both of whom we project starting multiple freshmen at this point.
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https://painttouches.com/2024/04/19/2024-big-east-roster-tracker/
Roster tracker updated. Every team except Marquette has an update this week, continuing our quiet offseason. Meanwhile Seton Hall has lost every one of their starters and all but one of their significant bench players. We also added some projected starting lineups and it is not looking good for the Pirate or Wildcats, both of whom we project starting multiple freshmen at this point.
I think it’s possible Seton Hall’s experience in the NIT won’t matter next season
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https://painttouches.com/2024/04/19/2024-big-east-roster-tracker/
Roster tracker updated. Every team except Marquette has an update this week, continuing our quiet offseason. Meanwhile Seton Hall has lost every one of their starters and all but one of their significant bench players. We also added some projected starting lineups and it is not looking good for the Pirate or Wildcats, both of whom we project starting multiple freshmen at this point.
Isn't there something like 1700 players in the portal? It is certainly going to the interesting watching some of the high major teams scramble to put together teams filled with mid major players in a hurry only to go 10-20 for the year.
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I think it’s possible Seton Hall’s experience in the NIT won’t matter next season
Rico, as much as I enjoy your shtick, you gotta stop with the SHU/NIT.
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Rico, as much as I enjoy your shtick, you gotta stop with the SHU/NIT.
Ball knowers know
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Edit to Georgetown list: Cam Bacote was not a walk-on.
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Trey Alexander announced he’s going pro - although this was generally expected, still a big loss for Creighton.
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Kalkenbrenner just announced he’s coming back to Creighton. I thought he was out of eligibility
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Kalkenbrenner just announced he’s coming back to Creighton. I thought he was out of eligibility
He has that covid year.
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Kalkenbrenner just announced he’s coming back to Creighton. I thought he was out of eligibility
Big East gonna be a gauntlet
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Kalkenbrenner just announced he’s coming back to Creighton. I thought he was out of eligibility
Year 5 for him. Wish we could have Oso and Tyler for their year 5s as well. Alas, not to be.
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Good. Someone else for Ben to take out to the 3 pt line. Can't wait.
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Kalkenbrenner just announced he’s coming back to Creighton. I thought he was out of eligibility
Did he already win the Big East DPOY for next season? 🤔
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Did he already win the Big East DPOY for next season? 🤔
I’m sure.
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Did he already win the Big East DPOY for next season? 🤔
Yes.
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Good. Someone else for Ben to take out to the 3 pt line. Can't wait.
probably need to improve on 36% to draw the D. Hopefully it will happen. Would be very beneficial to the entire O.
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Cool. Let them sag off him.
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probably need to improve on 36% to draw the D. Hopefully it will happen. Would be very beneficial to the entire O.
I know it can't literally be "taken away" but ... take away the 5-game slump Gold had right near the start of the conference season, and he shot exactly 40% from 3 in 2023-24.
I'd be thrilled if he shoots 40% next season, especially given that he'll probably take quite a few more 3s. Wouldn't you? Do you think opposing defenses would ignore a guy who goes 40% from 3 and easily could have something like a 5-for-7 run in a game?
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https://painttouches.com/2024/04/19/2024-big-east-roster-tracker/
Another update to the tracker. Uconn and Creighton both solidified themselves as contenders. Seton Hall is down to 7 scholarship players. Xavier picks up their 4th transfer who was all confrence second team from a mid major conference last season. And Marquette gets a transfer!
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Pretty interesting stuff. I find this era of basketball ridiculously confusing. I’m not a fan but it is what it is and I know I have to get used to it.
I’d hate to be a coach in this era. I’m a huge Shaka fan. I hope his approach works. If it does it will elevate his status for me even more. He has his principles and he is sticking to them. Not sure I would be so steadfast when you look at what others are adding but I am going to really enjoy watching how it works out.
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Pretty interesting stuff. I find this era of basketball ridiculously confusing. I’m not a fan but it is what it is and I know I have to get used to it.
I’d hate to be a coach in this era. I’m a huge Shaka fan. I hope his approach works. If it does it will elevate his status for me even more. He has his principles and he is sticking to them. Not sure I would be so steadfast when you look at what others are adding but I am going to really enjoy watching how it works out.
Following the lead of "what others are adding" would make Shaka and our team indistinguishable from others. We are significantly different from all the other major conference teams, and that will be the reason a certain number of high-level recruits will choose Marquette. Although he has not made a decision yet, Miletic is a perfect example of this, judging from his comments about Marquette.
Shaka is focused both on the present and the future. In Shaka's case, future means multiple seasons with linkage season to season. In the cases of many other coaches, they often lurch from one season to the next and are pinning their hopes on replacing their portaling players with portaling players from other teams.
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Pretty interesting stuff. I find this era of basketball ridiculously confusing. I’m not a fan but it is what it is and I know I have to get used to it.
I’d hate to be a coach in this era. I’m a huge Shaka fan. I hope his approach works. If it does it will elevate his status for me even more. He has his principles and he is sticking to them. Not sure I would be so steadfast when you look at what others are adding but I am going to really enjoy watching how it works out.
Agree with most of this, except for enjoying watching how it works out, especially if it goes south for MU,which it appears to be moving that way as opposed to some of our rivals.
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Agree with most of this, except for enjoying watching how it works out, especially if it goes south for MU,which it appears to be moving that way as opposed to some of our rivals.
Typical Dung willie post. We have been a top 10 team now for 2 years going. I do not see us slipping far from that standard next year.
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I know it can't literally be "taken away" but ... take away the 5-game slump Gold had right near the start of the conference season, and he shot exactly 40% from 3 in 2023-24.
I'd be thrilled if he shoots 40% next season, especially given that he'll probably take quite a few more 3s. Wouldn't you? Do you think opposing defenses would ignore a guy who goes 40% from 3 and easily could have something like a 5-for-7 run in a game?
40% on higher volume would be solid
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Agree with most of this, except for enjoying watching how it works out, especially if it goes south for MU,which it appears to be moving that way as opposed to some of our rivals.
Imagine being this soft.
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Imagine being this soft.
Imagine being that ignorant.
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Imagine being that ignorant.
I can’t. The gap is just too damn wide now.
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https://painttouches.com/2024/04/19/2024-big-east-roster-tracker/
Another week another update.
If I had to rank the rosters as is right now, here's what I come up with:
1. Creighton
2. UConn
3. Marquette
4. St. John's
5. Xavier
6. Providence
GAP
7. Butler
8. Villanova
9. Georgetown
10. DePaul
11. Seton Hall
But there's lots of offseason left. Some of the biggest questions left for this offseason:
1. Is Steven Ashworth using his COVID year? With no announcement by this point, I assume so but haven't seen it publically stated anywhere yet
2. Why is Ryan Kalkbrenner in the NBA Combine? He says he's coming back to Creighton but he's still going to the NBA Combine. I doubt it happens, but if some team gives him a first-round guarantee, is he still back?
3. Will Karaban stay or will he go? If he stays, UConn has a chance to win the Big East again. If he goes? I think they still have a chance to win the Big East again, but I think they fall to 3rd or even 4th.
4. Is Jahmyl Telfort coming back? He didn't get invited to either combine but hasn't announced his return to Butler yet. Without him, Butler falls back into the basement.
5. Why does no one like Eric Dixon? I never thought he would get drafted, but I'm surprised he couldn't even score a g-league combine invite. Nova insiders seemed pretty convinced that he was gone no matter what, but now that he's without a combine invite, does that change things?
6. What's Sha going to do with all those scholarships? He's sitting on five of them! Right now his best player is either a guy who was second team All-Sun Belt, a guy who came off the bench for a bad Buckeye team, or Isaiah Coleman his sixth man from last season. The Pirates need some bodies quickly.
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Thanks for the rundown TAMU! Excellent questions.
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https://painttouches.com/2024/04/19/2024-big-east-roster-tracker/
Another week another update.
If I had to rank the rosters as is right now, here's what I come up with:
1. Creighton
2. UConn
3. Marquette
4. St. John's
5. Xavier
6. Providence
GAP
7. Butler
8. Villanova
9. Georgetown
10. DePaul
11. Seton Hall
But there's lots of offseason left. Some of the biggest questions left for this offseason:
1. Is Steven Ashworth using his COVID year? With no announcement by this point, I assume so but haven't seen it publically stated anywhere yet
2. Why is Ryan Kalkbrenner in the NBA Combine? He says he's coming back to Creighton but he's still going to the NBA Combine. I doubt it happens, but if some team gives him a first-round guarantee, is he still back?
3. Will Karaban stay or will he go? If he stays, UConn has a chance to win the Big East again. If he goes? I think they still have a chance to win the Big East again, but I think they fall to 3rd or even 4th.
4. Is Jahmyl Telfort coming back? He didn't get invited to either combine but hasn't announced his return to Butler yet. Without him, Butler falls back into the basement.
5. Why does no one like Eric Dixon? I never thought he would get drafted, but I'm surprised he couldn't even score a g-league combine invite. Nova insiders seemed pretty convinced that he was gone no matter what, but now that he's without a combine invite, does that change things?
6. What's Sha going to do with all those scholarships? He's sitting on five of them! Right now his best player is either a guy who was second team All-Sun Belt, a guy who came off the bench for a bad Buckeye team, or Isaiah Coleman his sixth man from last season. The Pirates need some bodies quickly.
Seton Hall back to the Big East dumpster. You love to see it
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It’s better when we’re picked 9th, so thanks for nothing!
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Kalkenbrenner just announced he’s coming back to Creighton. I thought he was out of eligibility
7’2 and needs 5 years in college
Dude is maybe the most obnoxiously overrated player in the BE since the bball only inception.
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7’2 and needs 5 years in college
Dude is maybe the most obnoxiously overrated player in the BE since the bball only inception.
Perhaps somewhat overrated, but he certainly has helped keep Creighton in the limelight for several seasons now.
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He was better pre-mono. To my eyes, never was as good after.
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https://painttouches.com/2024/04/19/2024-big-east-roster-tracker/
Another week another update.
If I had to rank the rosters as is right now, here's what I come up with:
1. Creighton
2. UConn
3. Marquette
4. St. John's
5. Xavier
6. Providence
GAP
7. Butler
8. Villanova
9. Georgetown
10. DePaul
11. Seton Hall
But there's lots of offseason left. Some of the biggest questions left for this offseason:
1. Is Steven Ashworth using his COVID year? With no announcement by this point, I assume so but haven't seen it publically stated anywhere yet
reading BlueJayUnderground it sure seems like it's a done deal Ashworth is back.
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5 bids
1) UCONN
2) Xavier
3) MU
4) Creighton
5) Xavier
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5 bids
1) UCONN
2) Xavier
3) MU
4) Creighton
5) Xavier
Can't argue with this math.
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5 bids
1) UCONN
2) Xavier
3) MU
4) Creighton
5) Xavier
Millers a good coach but cmon
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reading BlueJayUnderground it sure seems like it's a done deal Ashworth is back.
I assume that's the case, but id just like a quote from him to confirm
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5 bids
1) UCONN
2) Xavier
3) MU
4) Creighton
5) Xavier
So, Xavier is going to get an NCAA and an NIT bid, right?
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Haha nice. Meant St. John's at 5.
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https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2024/05/09/seton-hall-basketball-adds-assane-mbaye-patrick-school-7-footer/73636790007/
SH picks up a project big that makes our project bigs look good. Only appeared in half of his high schools games last year, averaging just over 2 points. Unless it was injury related, that's not great.
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https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2024/05/09/seton-hall-basketball-adds-assane-mbaye-patrick-school-7-footer/73636790007/
SH picks up a project big that makes our project bigs look good. Only appeared in half of his high schools games last year, averaging just over 2 points. Unless it was injury related, that's not great.
The Hall has a solid tradition with these project Bigs.
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The Hall has a solid tradition with these project Bigs.
😂😂😂
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I assume that's the case, but id just like a quote from him to confirm
He didn’t participate in Senior Day so I’m pretty sure he’s back too.
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😂😂😂
What? I’m anticipating Herm’s detailed analysis of the Hall’s successes in this area.
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https://painttouches.com/2024/04/19/2024-big-east-roster-tracker/
Another update. Creighton finally gives public confirmation that both Kalky and Ashworth are back. Seton Hall fills two of their five open scholarships. X lands their seventh transfer. And of course MU fills their last open scholarship.
Remaining Open Schollies:
Villanova 3-4 (depending on whether Dixon returns)
Georgetown 3
Seton Hall 2-3 (their beat writer is claiming that Addae-Wusu is withdrawing from the portal but hasn't happened yet)
Xavier 1-2 (Everything I've read says Jerome Hunter is back...but there's been no public commitment from Hunter or Miller)
Creighton 1
Providence 1
St. John's 1
Butler 0-1 (depending on whether Telfort returns)
UConn 0-1 (depending on whether Karaban returns)
DePaul 0
Marquette 0