iPhone v. Droid

[GoldenWarrior]

I am a proud user of the iPhone and have really enjoyed the product as well as the service that I receive from AT&T (though I've heard plenty of others complaining about the AT&T coverage; I personally have not had any problems).  I was just wondering what the general consensus is between these two products.  Everything I'm seeing in the market place and earnings, etc is showing the Droid catching up to the iPhone and challenging it in the mobile market place.

Are there any droid users out there? Do you like the product, positives, negatives, etc? Does Google actually give the Droid anything above and beyond what Apple has given the iPhone?

Please discuss...

[dsfire]

I read this article recently when looking for info on the droid incredible: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2010/05/htc-droid-incredible-review.html

The author suggests the iphone and the droid are really aimed at different markets based upon customizability vs. usability - similar to the old pc vs. mac debate.  That's probably boiling it down somewhat too far, but an interesting distinction anyway.

From what I've read, the droid is generally considered king at the moment, with assumptions being that the next gen iphone will dethrone it.

[mujaxson]

I am a proud user of the iPhone and have really enjoyed the product as well as the service that I receive from AT&T (though I've heard plenty of others complaining about the AT&T coverage; I personally have not had any problems).  I was just wondering what the general consensus is between these two products.  Everything I'm seeing in the market place and earnings, etc is showing the Droid catching up to the iPhone and challenging it in the mobile market place.

Are there any droid users out there? Do you like the product, positives, negatives, etc? Does Google actually give the Droid anything above and beyond what Apple has given the iPhone?

Please discuss...

I have and use both phones - Droid is my personal phone, iPhone was given to me from work.  Having used a Blackberry and other touch phones, the Droid is the closest phone to the iPhone I have found.  I find myself using the Droid more, maybe because all my texting is done through it, but even apps like Twitter, Facebook, weather, and news I find just as useful on the Droid as the iPhone.  The iPhone's apps are very nice looking, if not always the most functional.  Apple always does a great job with form over function.  I like the keyboard (virtual keyboard, but it also has a physical keyboard if wanted) on the Droid more, along with its seamless integration with all Google apps.  I use Gmail, Calendar, Finance, Talk, Voice etc. and the Android software from Google (used on the Droid) does it all perfectly. 

While the apps on the iPhone look better and may, overall, be of higher quality than Android's apps, the Android has an advantage because their "Market" is open to all apps.  So you get a bigger selection of apps for the Droid.  You can also have a ton of different widgets on the Droid which can be useful. 

The other factor is the service (network).  Where I live, I get both ATT and Verizon 3G pretty strong so it doesn't factor in to my decision of what phone is better.  But across the country, Verizon simply has a better 3G network which can make a huge difference when selecting a phone.  I've used my iPhone in non-3G areas and it sucks.  Haven't had much issue with the Droid not being a 3G area because of the network coverage.

Let me know if you have any other further questions...

[Skatastrophy]

I don't own a Droid or an iPhone because I prefer a hardware keyboard on my phone.  I have a phone that runs Google's Android operating system, though.

I don't like Apple's "Walled Garden" approach to applications where they get approval over all applications that you want to install on your phone.  It weeds out crap, but they also deny any application that they deem inappropriate... whether inappropriate means that there's adult content or if inappropriate refers to an app that mentions any of Apple's competitors.  Even those practices wouldn't be bad if when Apple rejects an app they would tell an app developer why their app was rejected, but Apple doesn't.

I'm an adult.  I don't need Apple telling me what I can and cannot install on a device that I own.  I would also never sign a contract with AT&T.  If I were dead-set on purchasing an iPhone I'd wait until it gets released to Verizon.

If you're happy with you're phone then that's all that matters.  If you don't mind that you have your phone locked down for no obvious reason and that you have to pay exorbitant amounts of money to AT&T for their sub-par service, then the iPhone is the phone for you!

[Chili]

I read this article recently when looking for info on the droid incredible: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2010/05/htc-droid-incredible-review.html

The author suggests the iphone and the droid are really aimed at different markets based upon customizability vs. usability - similar to the old pc vs. mac debate.  That's probably boiling it down somewhat too far, but an interesting distinction anyway.

From what I've read, the droid is generally considered king at the moment, with assumptions being that the next gen iphone will dethrone it.

Next Gen Droid is released June 4 on 4G network and is 10x faster than any iPhone. May take a while.

[Henry Sugar]

Caveat - I have neither phone.  However, I work in Telecom.

The iPhone ecosystem far exceeds (by an order of magnitude) that of Android.  iPhone apps are in the Billions of downloads, and Android is far less than that.  It's the same with the total number of available apps.  However, this is all changing.

1Q10 was the first quarter than Droid devices outsold iPhone devices.  Droid devices are available beyond just Verizon Wireless (something like 10 operators are planning/launched Droid devices), and there are far more manufacturers actually making Droid devices too.  The ecosystem of operators and manufacturers will be larger in the foreseeable future than that of iPhone, which is helping Droid catch up quickly.

From a user experience, VzW will probably be better for two reasons.  They have more of the US covered with 3G, and they managed to learn from the exponential data growth that caused problems for AT&T by adding extra capacity in advance.  Other service providers beyond VzW that use Droid will be a crapshoot.  Nobody in Telecom is really doing a good job of managing the exponential data growth.

Temper expectations on 4G.  It'll probably take two years to be rolled out for VzW, and probably a little bit longer for AT&T.  In the meantime, AT&T will also have a rollout of speeds that will be ~30% faster than VzW, but it's still going to be coverage constrained.

my two cents.

[StillAWarrior]

I have an iPhone, and I love it.

I'm in a bit of a unique situation, though, because I don't pay for my phone.  My employer purchased the phone and pays the bills.  Earlier this year when we were looking for new phones, the person with the most pull is a huge apple fan.  So, we were pretty much faced with the prospect of getting an iPhone immediately, or waiting for the Verizon version.  We discussed the Droid, but it didn't seem to be a real option.  So, I've got ATT/iPhone (redundant, I know).

I really do love the device, though.  It works well.  I'm not troubled by the fact that Apple has a stranglehold on apps.  That's obviously a much bigger deal to others than it is to me.  There are a huge number of apps and my phone does things that I never would have imagined possible (depositing checks into my bank account by snapping pictures of the check -- are you kidding me?).  I am looking forward to the new OS that (reportedly) will permit more than one app to work at a time.  It would be cool to be able to listen to Pandora while sending email, etc. I'd like to take a Droid for a spin, but I've been very happy with the iPhone.

[GoldenWarrior]

Yeah, as an iPhone user the only thing that is annoying me currently is the ongoing dispute between Apple and Adobe.  It would be really nice to be able to install and use flash on the iPhone.

I don't have too much of a problem with Apple monitoring their apps.  It is a little demeaning to think they they have control over what I can and can't do, but at the same time I'm willing to bet the vast majority of the items they aren't letting me see are complete crap that I want to avoid to begin with. This is up for personal preferences though clearly.

I'm also looking at this from Google's perspective financially and wondering if this really can grow into their second stream of revenue that the market has been waiting to see from them (meaning a second main stream of revenue aside from their advertisement revenues, which I believe still accounts for 90%+ of their total revenues).

Once the AT&T/Apple contract is up I am thinking that there will be another large migration to the iPhone because it seems to me the only reason people avoid it now is because of AT&T's contract requirements and their spotty coverage, not because of the product itself as produced by Apple. The iPhone is open to multiple coverage providers in Europe already and seems to be dominating the market over there fairly easily.

[Moonboots]

I'm a Droid user, and completely and totally hooked. Full disclosure, I'm also a Mac user and would have probably opted for the iPhone if it were available through Verizon.

A few observations.. in their stock forms, the iPhone touch screen kills the Droid, or any other touch screen for that matter. After three years of using an iPod touch, I can honestly say it's never missed a swipe, or pinch zoom, or anything. The Droid is good, but the iPod Touch/iPhone hardware is spot on.

I say "in their stock forms" because with some tweaking, the Droid can become an absolute monster of a phone. I rooted mine, which seems to be one step in hacking ability above jailbreaking an iPhone. The processor is overclocked which makes the phone snappier and more responsive than any phone I've seen, and the battery life is better because the programmers messed with the voltages in the phone kernels. I'm basically running an operating system built from scratch by one of the many skilled programmers out there who have torn this phone apart.

Also love my slide-out keyboard, and have never had any issue with 3G coverage anywhere. As a supplement to the virtual keyboard, there's also a keyboard called "Swype" that blows away any virtual keyboard I've used before. It's the one found in the world record texting commercial.

I'm excited to see what Apple and Android developers have for us next.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLwxIwMFzR4

[ChicosBailBonds]

I am a proud user of the iPhone and have really enjoyed the product as well as the service that I receive from AT&T (though I've heard plenty of others complaining about the AT&T coverage; I personally have not had any problems).  I was just wondering what the general consensus is between these two products.  Everything I'm seeing in the market place and earnings, etc is showing the Droid catching up to the iPhone and challenging it in the mobile market place.

Are there any droid users out there? Do you like the product, positives, negatives, etc? Does Google actually give the Droid anything above and beyond what Apple has given the iPhone?

Please discuss...

I have both because we are beta testing some products.  Advantages to both, disadvantages to both.

Droid can multitask, iPhone can't (at least OS4 comes out this Summer)
iPhone more apps then Droid
I don't like how the Droid interfaces with email and the calendar (if you connect it to a work email server) quite as much.
Droid seems faster to me
iPhone you cannot add memory or change the battery out....lame
iPhone won't run Flash
iPhone functionality and "stability" better than Droid.  iPhone more polished at this point
AT&T not as good coverage as Verizon, IMO
Droid has a flash for camera, iPhone doesn't (4G version will)
iPhone navigation is better IMO

[APieperFan3]

My old man works in the Telecom business for AT&T. He got the original iPhone when it first came out. At first I wasnt that impressed...no video, no "mass texting", no picture messages, etc.

Now, it's a whole new ball game with apps, video/picture messaging, etc. Plus...I am a Mac owner, so it's super easy to have everything synced up, etc.

Is the new version of the iPhone that is supposedly coming out this summer supposed to "battle" the new version of the Droid coming out in June?

[GoldenWarrior]

My old man works in the Telecom business for AT&T. He got the original iPhone when it first came out. At first I wasnt that impressed...no video, no "mass texting", no picture messages, etc.

Now, it's a whole new ball game with apps, video/picture messaging, etc. Plus...I am a Mac owner, so it's super easy to have everything synced up, etc.

Is the new version of the iPhone that is supposedly coming out this summer supposed to "battle" the new version of the Droid coming out in June?

I was wondering the same thing, are these two new phones battling one another, or are they battling the opponents' older phones?

[Moonboots]

I was wondering the same thing, are these two new phones battling one another, or are they battling the opponents' older phones?

I don't think it's a one-to-one battle. Android's devices have been ahead with multitasking and under the hood processor speed for a little while now, and Apple has always had a smooth, seamless interface. That's something the open-source Android platform lacks. Each is trying to cover up those weaknesses with each passing phone/software update.

I suppose you could match up which phone is battling which phone chronologically, so the Droid Incredible, the eventual Droid 2, the rumored Droid Shadow will all battle the iPhone 4G, but it's more a matter of the operating systems trying to one up each other, I think.

[reinko]

Call me an old man, but I still rely on my BlackBerry.  It may not be the hippest, coolest, or fastest.  But I'm an expert on the interface, and every time I upgrade the learning curve is about 5 minutes.  And I have fat fingers and can't type on an iPhone.   

[GoldenWarrior]

I don't think it's a one-to-one battle. Android's devices have been ahead with multitasking and under the hood processor speed for a little while now, and Apple has always had a smooth, seamless interface. That's something the open-source Android platform lacks. Each is trying to cover up those weaknesses with each passing phone/software update.

I suppose you could match up which phone is battling which phone chronologically, so the Droid Incredible, the eventual Droid 2, the rumored Droid Shadow will all battle the iPhone 4G, but it's more a matter of the operating systems trying to one up each other, I think.

Yeah, I see what you're saying here.  I wonder why can't someone just get it all right on one phone (Droid use an interface similar to iPhone, or iPhone use the better processor of Droid).  I'm sure there are legal contracts about who can use what technology as developed by whom and such, but it certainly seems to me like there's always a way around such things by creating something extremely similar, but just different enough to not infringe.

[Moonboots]

Yeah, I see what you're saying here.  I wonder why can't someone just get it all right on one phone (Droid use an interface similar to iPhone, or iPhone use the better processor of Droid).  I'm sure there are legal contracts about who can use what technology as developed by whom and such, but it certainly seems to me like there's always a way around such things by creating something extremely similar, but just different enough to not infringe.

Very true. I think part of the issue (as is the issue with Mac vs. PC) is that the sacrifice for wanting customizability and pushing the limits with apps is 100% reliable functionality. Apple operates most of their products in a shell and limit exactly how much influence the user can have. For my laptop (Macbook Pro) I'm fine with that, because I just want it to do its thing and have a clean interface, but I'm no novice to the fact that I could do a lot more performance-wise (probably for cheaper - but requiring a bit more work) on a PC.

The same applies to these phones. If you try to push the limits of your Android phone, you'll get their equivalent of the Windows blue screen of death until you figure out how to keep it stable.  You'll also do some things that an iPhone user could never dream of. It's a give and take.

The good news is, with so much competition on the market (including a new Blackberry OS in the works, I believe) this is only going to get better for all of us.  The next technology that needs to catch up is batteries which aren't up to snuff with the power of these phones yet.

[Henry Sugar]

Heard an interesting take on Apple vs Google over the weekend.  It was paralleled to Apple vs Microsoft in the 80's/90's. 

Apple wants to control the full end-to-end, including hardware, software, what service providers, and the applications.  Google is going after the operating system.

[APieperFan3]

I read an article about the new OS for iPhone. Apparently you can surf the web up to 2x faster!! (they say that every time)...but they are working more towards multi-tasking.

There were some comments about how you can only multi-task while doing certain things. I was a little unclear of what these were...anybody got any info?

Also saw that the new update would be only available for 3gS and newest ipod touch (not sure which generation they are at) at "end of summer" and ready for the iPad "early fall".

[StillAWarrior]

There were some comments about how you can only multi-task while doing certain things. I was a little unclear of what these were...anybody got any info?

Right now, unless I'm mistaken, the only multi-tasking you can do in an iPhone is when you are listening to the iPod or talking on the phone.  You can listen to the iPod while doing something else or you can access other apps while talking on the phone.  I'm not aware of any other cases where you can run two apps at once.

[Henry Sugar]

I also find this question on multi-tasking sort of interesting.

How often do people with iPhones use simultaneous voice and data?  Surfing the web while having a phone call?

[mujaxson]

I also find this question on multi-tasking sort of interesting.

How often do people with iPhones use simultaneous voice and data?  Surfing the web while having a phone call?

I rarely do that with my iPhone.  And on my Droid, I never have the need, unless I need to pull up an email while talking to someone on the phone, which I am still able to do since the Droid saves a local copy of my inbox on the phone (no network needed to view my inbox). 

[StillAWarrior]

I also find this question on multi-tasking sort of interesting.

How often do people with iPhones use simultaneous voice and data?  Surfing the web while having a phone call?

Very rarely.  I'm not sure I've ever surfed the web while on the phone.  I probably have checked email.

I have used the iPod, though.  Listen to iPod while reading email, reading a book, etc.  One of the things I'd like to do is be able to listen to Pandora while doing other things.  Can't do it.  Also, it would be nice to be able to jump back and forth between the mapping/gps function and the internet.

[Moonboots]

I also find this question on multi-tasking sort of interesting.

How often do people with iPhones use simultaneous voice and data?  Surfing the web while having a phone call?

To answer your question, very, very rarely. I don't think I've had an instance with my Droid where I wished I could do that yet.

But I think you're misunderstanding what they mean by multi-tasking. They're referring to the ability to run multiple applications at once, which the iPhone (currently) can't do with anything except its music app. But if you have a game loaded up and want to surf the web or check a sports scores app, you're SOL. On the Droid, you can run multiple applications similar to how you can on a computer.

[Henry Sugar]

To answer your question, very, very rarely. I don't think I've had an instance with my Droid where I wished I could do that yet.

But I think you're misunderstanding what they mean by multi-tasking. They're referring to the ability to run multiple applications at once, which the iPhone (currently) can't do with anything except its music app. But if you have a game loaded up and want to surf the web or check a sports scores app, you're SOL. On the Droid, you can run multiple applications similar to how you can on a computer.

I'm not, but I did ask an unclear question that appeared related to multi-tasking. 

There is actually a technology limitation that prevents simultaneous voice and data on the CDMA (VzW) Droid devices.  You cannot surf the internet and have a phone call at the same time on those devices.  (Checking email while talking doesn't count).  A few AT&T commercials try to exploit this, but it's not been enough to force the CDMA providers to move to more advanced technology.  That was the impetus for the question.

[GoldenWarrior]

I barely ever use apps or web when on a phone call on my iPhone.  I do wish I could run a few apps at the same time... playing a game, then check a game score without having to close out the game app... excited for the iPhone to be able to do this.

[Moonboots]

I'm not, but I did ask an unclear question that appeared related to multi-tasking. 

There is actually a technology limitation that prevents simultaneous voice and data on the CDMA (VzW) Droid devices.  You cannot surf the internet and have a phone call at the same time on those devices.  (Checking email while talking doesn't count).  A few AT&T commercials try to exploit this, but it's not been enough to force the CDMA providers to move to more advanced technology.  That was the impetus for the question.

At that point, it was really all the AT&T/iPhone had to go on. They couldn't multitask, and they definitely couldn't flaunt the network.  Maybe an area that AT&T should have targeted is the global capabilities of that network verses Verizon. I know my dad is getting a Droid Incredible as soon as they're back in stock in Milwaukee, and the only negative he's found about it is that he needs to swap it for a global-ready phone for the few times a year that he goes overseas. It's not a major inconvenience, but it's something to consider for business people.

[brewcity77]

I changed to a next gen phone earlier this year, and tested out both a Droid and an iPhone for a week. In terms of apps, the iPhone is way ahead. I'm sure that's largely because it's been around longer, and with more open source I'm sure Droid will catch up, but for now, iPhone has better options in the app regard. Another problem I had was the touch sensitivity of the Droid. I had a Droid Eris, and maybe it was just me, but when I tried to scroll through phone numbers to make a call in my phonebook, I would frequently make 2-3 calls accidentally before getting to the number I actually wanted to call.

However, at the end of the day it was all about one thing. Only iPhone has the ESPN Radio app. Only on my iPhone can I listen to Marquette games live when I'm at work. I work second shift, so a number of games are played while I'm at work, and that was the deciding factor.

[Skatastrophy]

However, at the end of the day it was all about one thing. Only iPhone has the ESPN Radio app. Only on my iPhone can I listen to Marquette games live when I'm at work. I work second shift, so a number of games are played while I'm at work, and that was the deciding factor.

The DroidESPN app has been around for a year or more.

[StillAWarrior]

The DroidESPN app has been around for a year or more.

I'm pretty sure that brewcity77 was talking about the ESPN Radio app for the iPhone, not the general ESPN app.  The ESPN app gets you the website.  The ESPN Radio app gets you live streaming of whatever is on ESPN radio, as well as most of the local ESPN radio affiliates around the country.

I'm not saying Droid doesn't have a comparable app -- I don't know.  I'm just clarifying what I think brewcity77 was talking about.

Edited to add:  looks like DroidESPN also has the radio features.

[Moonboots]

The DroidESPN app has been around for a year or more.

I did a data wipe before installing a new ROM on Droid a month or so ago, and realized the DroidESPN App is no longer in the market, and forgot to back it up 

Still trying to find a .apk file for it.

[Skatastrophy]

I did a data wipe before installing a new ROM on Droid a month or so ago, and realized the DroidESPN App is no longer in the market, and forgot to back it up 

Still trying to find a .apk file for it.

You're right, it got taken down.  That's sad

It looks like a lot of people are using TuneWiki now.  You can search for ESPN in the shoutcast section and bookmark it for quick retrieval in the future

[brewcity77]

I downloaded the DroidESPN app and it didn't provide radio coverage. I took it back to the Verizon store, and they also couldn't get the radio broadcasts on. I followed up on that by asking Sprint about their Droid phones, and they informed me they couldn't provide ESPN Radio. I also tried linking over the internet directly to the games on the 540 AM site, and when Marquette was on, it would only play the national broadcast, not the local. With my iPhone, I have had no problems listening to those games. If it's been updated since so that you can listen to local broadcasts during games, but as of late January, it wasn't possible.

[jficke13]

I absolutely, 100% HATE the Mac OS. Anything that the world says that it does 'better' is nothing but propoganda. It might par a Windows OS, but it does not in any way shape or form exceed it. period. However; I have gotten a serious impression that the only reason to get and iphone/droid is app development/participation from the community. and, at least as far as I can see at the moment, it seems like the iphone has a bigger app base.

[GoldenWarrior]

I absolutely, 100% HATE the Mac OS. Anything that the world says that it does 'better' is nothing but propoganda. It might par a Windows OS, but it does not in any way shape or form exceed it. period. However; I have gotten a serious impression that the only reason to get and iphone/droid is app development/participation from the community. and, at least as far as I can see at the moment, it seems like the iphone has a bigger app base.

Why do you hate the Mac OS so much?  I'm jw because the way I see it is that yes, it basically will function similarly to the Windows OS once you learn it, but for the purposes of the iPhone, there's basically no learning curve because it's just really easy and more or less intuitive.

I'm not a Mac user or supporter aside from the iPhone... I think that's the one product that Apple got right though.

[GoldenWarrior]

What about this article now with AT&T?  I think this helps the iPhone increase the market penetration even more...

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ATampT-caps-phone-data-usage-apf-499602515.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=8&asset=&ccode=

[Henry Sugar]

What about this article now with AT&T?  I think this helps the iPhone increase the market penetration even more...

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ATampT-caps-phone-data-usage-apf-499602515.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=8&asset=&ccode=

Tiered pricing is inevitable with wireless.  I think it's interesting because VzW has been making the most noise about it, but here comes AT&T with the first move.

[Skatastrophy]

What about this article now with AT&T?  I think this helps the iPhone increase the market penetration even more...

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ATampT-caps-phone-data-usage-apf-499602515.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=8&asset=&ccode=

Tiered pricing is not a good thing for the consumer, it's a bad thing.  This will not relieve AT&T's network congestion, it will just fleece their pockets.  How will you feel when you hit the 15th of the month on your brand new iPhone and you're not allowed to use the internet anymore because you hit your data cap?  I'm guessing that this will result in bad press for AT&T down the line.  Most ISPs limit bandwidth to keep their networks snappy because it works. 

[MU B2002]

What about this article now with AT&T?  I think this helps the iPhone increase the market penetration even more...

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ATampT-caps-phone-data-usage-apf-499602515.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=8&asset=&ccode=

2 GB of data usage still seems like a ton of data for $25. 

[Henry Sugar]

Tiered pricing is not a good thing for the consumer, it's a bad thing.  This will not relieve AT&T's network congestion, it will just fleece their pockets.  How will you feel when you hit the 15th of the month on your brand new iPhone and you're not allowed to use the internet anymore because you hit your data cap?  I'm guessing that this will result in bad press for AT&T down the line.  Most ISPs limit bandwidth to keep their networks snappy because it works. 

If a consumer uses less data, and can now spend less money as result, how is that bad?

[GoldenWarrior]

Tiered pricing is not a good thing for the consumer, it's a bad thing.  This will not relieve AT&T's network congestion, it will just fleece their pockets.  How will you feel when you hit the 15th of the month on your brand new iPhone and you're not allowed to use the internet anymore because you hit your data cap?  I'm guessing that this will result in bad press for AT&T down the line.  Most ISPs limit bandwidth to keep their networks snappy because it works. 

It doesn't sound to me like the 2GB or whatever level that you sign up for of data is a hard max, it sounds like it is soft so that if you reach your contracted limit and exceed it you will simply be billed exponentially accordingly to each tier of data used.  I view it as a way to pay for what you use more than the current everyone pays the same thing and gets the same level regardless.

I do think it could be negative due to the influx that I expect of new users now as a result onto the network itself.

[Chili]

2 GB of data usage still seems like a ton of data for $25. 

Hope you're not tethering then - you can blow past 2 GB very fast. Being able to Tether my Blackberry is a key feature to why I like it.

[reinko]

Hope you're not tethering then - you can blow past 2 GB very fast. Being able to Tether my Blackberry is a key feature to why I like it.

You can't tether an iPhone, at least not one that has been cracked.

Edit:  I guess you can now, but only with the limited data plan.  Those sneaky bastards.

http://www.dmwmedia.com/news/2010/06/02/atampt-enable-iphone-tethering-reworks-data-plans

[MU B2002]

Hope you're not tethering then - you can blow past 2 GB very fast. Being able to Tether my Blackberry is a key feature to why I like it.

Like this??? 


No I don't tether (and I am 75% sure I know what you are even talking about.)

[Chili]

No I don't tether (and I am 75% sure I know what you are even talking about.)

Tethering is using your smart phone as a mobile modem with your laptop. It uses the data feed to get you on the net like an aircard.

[jficke13]

i hate mac os b/c it is all form over function and its been years since apple has had to be really 'good' to sell. just trot steve jobs on a stage with something shiny and it sells.

(http://www.theonion.com/video/apple-introduces-revolutionary-new-laptop-with-no,14299/)

but in all seriousness it's a combination of knowing windows inside and out, not knowing mac inside and out, mac having a 1 button mouse (seriously...wtf?) and the inherent hypocrisy of the steve jobs-worshiping zombie consumer base.

that being said, i've heard A LOT of good things about the iphone. most of them have revolved around the apps and iphone's developer base

[MU B2002]

Tethering is using your smart phone as a mobile modem with your laptop. It uses the data feed to get you on the net like an aircard.

Good I was correct.

[Skatastrophy]

If a consumer uses less data, and can now spend less money as result, how is that bad?

So you'd rather pay $25 for 2GB of data per month (or $15 for 200MB per month) than pay $30 for the burden of having to deal with an unlimited data?

     If you go over, just like overdrafting your bank account, you'll start incurring overage charges.  On the 200MB plan if you go over you'll be charged $15 for another 200MB (costing you the same $30 for 400MB that you would have gotten charged for the unlimited plan in the first place... assuming that you don't go over that new 400MB limit, god forbid). 
     If you go over your 2GB plan you'll be charged  $10 for the next 1GB.  That'll be $35 for 3GB of data, and that's if you dutifully stay within the 3GB boundary.

Then, praise Steve Jobs, Apple will be offering tethering for a mere $20 a month!  Something that other smart-phones can do for free (and that the iPhone used to do for free until Apple disabled it a year ago) and Apple is charging $20 a month... and that gets you no extra bandwidth.  That's right.  You pay $20 extra a month and you still have to play by the same silly bandwidth rules outlined above.

Honestly though, I'm just raging against Apple.  2/3 of iPhone users use less than 200MB a month and 98% use under 2GB a month.  I think that charging for usage makes less sense than limiting bandwidth per user, but that's just a personal opinion.  I'm quite irked by the fact that they'll charge for a person to use tethering with their iPhone, but there's a reason that I've stayed away from the iPhone and AT&T and it's because I don't like playing in their proprietary walled garden.  Well... I certainly have run out of steam here.  Carry on!

[GuyIncognito]

Then, praise Steve Jobs, Apple will be offering tethering for a mere $20 a month!  Something that other smart-phones can do for free (and that the iPhone used to do for free until Apple disabled it a year ago) and Apple is charging $20 a month... and that gets you no extra bandwidth.  That's right.  You pay $20 extra a month and you still have to play by the same silly bandwidth rules outlined above.

Apple isn't charging anyone anything. They supply the hardware, AT&T supplies the service. It is AT&T that is trying to squeeze every penny out of you for tethering. Tethering rates vary based on the network provider. You were able to tether on other networks like Rogers and O2 using the iphone for the past year.  It is AT&T's crippled network holding them back, and by raping you for tethering, they hope you choose not to tether in order to prevent their network from dying even more.

[wyoMUfan]

i agree w/ skat
I just ordered Droid #1 today, I'm pumped to get it on Monday!

My roommate just drove back to Milwaukee from Wyoming and had his laptop tethered the whole way and was playing warcraft....
that's impressive

(didnt work in rural nebraska)

[4everwarriors]

Was he able to at least keep one hand on the wheel while driving?

[wyoMUfan]

haha
i think his gf was driving at that time.

[4everwarriors]

How is she at driving a stick?

[🏀]

i agree w/ skat
I just ordered Droid #1 today, I'm pumped to get it on Monday!

My roommate just drove back to Milwaukee from Wyoming and had his laptop tethered the whole way and was playing warcraft....
that's impressive

(didnt work in rural nebraska)

NERDS!!!

[reinko]

I hope he doesn't play with Leroy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkCNJRfSZBU

[wyoMUfan]

you talkin' about leroy jenkins?

haha

[StillAWarrior]

I hope he doesn't play with Leroy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkCNJRfSZBU

I haven't watched that in a long time.  That is truly an internet classic.

[Skatastrophy]

So as a rebuttal to my long-winded post the other day:

2/3 of iPhone users will be fine using the 200MB a month plan
98% of iPhone users will never have an overage using the 2GB/month plan

In reality those limits aren't terrible.  I'd rather the 200MB limit be a 500MB limit, but that's still no biggie.  The tethering is a big deal to me, but I don't know how many others are constantly on the go with a laptop looking to use their phone as a wireles access point.

Sorry for raging on Apple a bit there.  I meant to rage on AT&T exclusively

[GoldenWarrior]

Do these sound like viable and big enough improvements for iPhone to continue to hold a big time position in the market?

The 35% market share quoted for the Blackberry surprises me though.  I know it's still big in business, but even there I've seen turnovers to iPhones...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ytech_wguy/ytech_wguy_tc2428

[🏀]

Do these sound like viable and big enough improvements for iPhone to continue to hold a big time position in the market?

The 35% market share quoted for the Blackberry surprises me though.  I know it's still big in business, but even there I've seen turnovers to iPhones...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ytech_wguy/ytech_wguy_tc2428

Everything that is being announced as I type is blowing all of the current technology out of the water.

[Strokin 3s]

Ok so I have basically very limited "tech knowledge" compared to most of you it sounds, so just asking since I currently have Sprint, what is Sprint's equivalent to droid/iphone, is there one?

[Hards Alumni]

Ok so I have basically very limited "tech knowledge" compared to most of you it sounds, so just asking since I currently have Sprint, what is Sprint's equivalent to droid/iphone, is there one?

[🏀]

Ok so I have basically very limited "tech knowledge" compared to most of you it sounds, so just asking since I currently have Sprint, what is Sprint's equivalent to droid/iphone, is there one?

Sprint, yuck.

Their 4G is apparently going to be nice though...?

[Skatastrophy]

Everything that is being announced as I type is blowing all of the current technology out of the water.

Truth.  A great upgrade for an already good consumer device.

The FaceTime (video chat) capabilities are interesting.  The HD video capture is cool.  The new gyroscope will continue to push mobile devices into the realm of gaming platforms/controllers.

The only thing that I'd be concerned about is the combination of the HD video capturing and the newly imposed data transfer caps by AT&T.  It will take very little video to hit a 200MB transfer cap if you want to put your videos on the Internet and you're not in range of WiFi or able to connect your computer to your laptop.

Regarding Blackberry's marketshare:  Blackberry is still the heavy favorite for corporate use.  Blackberry Exchange Server has a reputation for being faster and more secure than iPhone's ActiveSync.  In reality the Windows Mobile Exchange is better than both, but for some reason WIndows phones never really took over at corporations.  For better or for worse, that's how it is.

[Chili]

Ok so I have basically very limited "tech knowledge" compared to most of you it sounds, so just asking since I currently have Sprint, what is Sprint's equivalent to droid/iphone, is there one?

Actually, you can get the most powerful phone on the market - the HTC Evo Droid.

[Strokin 3s]

Interesting.  You guys may laugh at Sprint, but I have never once had a problem with getting service, and have been able to enable international calling when overseas very easily and quite inexpensively.  Plus they offer a nice set of plans.

[Hards Alumni]

Interesting.  You guys may laugh at Sprint, but I have never once had a problem with getting service, and have been able to enable international calling when overseas very easily and quite inexpensively.  Plus they offer a nice set of plans.

I laugh at Sprint because everyone I know that has it or used to have it, had reception problems all the time.

[Strokin 3s]

Interesting and maybe that is true, but there have been many instances where I have been the only one that has gotten service and all my buddies are sitting there with their iPhones completely incapable of actually using them.

Anyone have any experience with the HTC EVO™ 4G?

[GoldenWarrior]

A decent article discussing iPhone v. Droid now that iPhone 4.0 has been revealed...

http://www.appolicious.com/tech/articles/2066-top-android-phones-shouldn-t-be-wary-of-new-iphone-4

[4everwarriors]

Who's in for the iPhone 4 and why?