Oso planning to go pro
I’m not sure there are a whole lot of peopleOn this board saying he should be fired. Over his head? Sure. Not exactly the workaholic his two Predecessors appeared to be? Yes. But he is what he is. And I’m not sure there’s anybody on this board who’s ever said they don’t like the guy. There are too many people on this board who go out of their way to suggest anybody questioning Wojo’s coaching chops are antimarquette and want the coach axed. That sentiment doesn’t really exist on the board. It’s nonsense. People observe what they observe and comment on it. He lost two starters last year...the transfers in aren’t “arguably” (your word) worse...they’re not even in the same category! Another contributor walked off the team this year. There was a lot of talk about Sacar and a couple others following the Hausers out the door. They didn’t stay because Sam and Joey left...they had to be convinced to stay. To dismiss this is asinine.Although I haven’t read too many people demanding his ouster, if he werent such a nice guy and a bit of a media creation, people would be comparing him unfavorably to Mike Deane. And rightfully so. But pearl clutching because of booing (which I agree is a bad look) is lame. Wojo makes a couple million dollars a year! F’n deal with it!!
Coach takes over program that didn't go to NCAA or NIT previous year.++ First season: 13-19.++ Second season: 20-13, no postseason.++ Third season: 19-13; NCAA 10th seed, first-round loss.++ Fourth season: 21-14; NIT, third-round loss.++ Fifth season: 24-10; conference runner-up after leading race but falling apart late due to intra-team squabbling; NCAA 5th seed, first-round loss.++ Sixth season: 16-6 about 2/3 of the way through season; NCAA bid likely.++ Top-10 recruiting class signed for his 7th season.++ Numerous transfers out, including 3 high-major caliber players.++ Several good transfers in, though arguably none the caliber of the 3 top players who transferred out.++ Under his watch, team never has had a hint of NCAA rules violations or scrapes with the law.Questions:Realistically, would any school fire that coach?If so, would it be a blueblood?Would the AD/president/board of any non-blueblood school fire that coach?I'll hang up and listen.
Not exactly the workaholic his two Predecessors appeared to be? Yes.
Delete paragraph #1, replace it with:Coach takes over program that has made the NCAA tournament 8 of the last 9 and made the S16 twice and the Elite 8 once in the last four years.
+1000, people seem to conveniently forget that when discussing this and only focus on the last year of that run and where Wojo took over. It's like the NCAA results previous to that one year(that was an outlier of the 9 year run) and the final year of the previous 4(Sweet 16X2 and Elite 8 once) are somehow irrelevant and can't be factored in as to expectations for Wojo. It's weird how those years are conveniently disregarded.
TAMUI do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.
I wasn't aware Wojo had Vander Blue, Jae Crowder, and Jimmy Butler on his first roster.It's not relevant to the conversation because what matters is the players that Wojo inherited. A completely different group of players going to the elite eight two years earlier doesn't make Jajuan Johnson a better player.
LOL And who recruited, Jimmy, Vander and Jae?? Buzz did...yes, buzz inherited the amigos, but there were there for ONE year. After that, everyone was essentially Buzz's own guys(at least main players). So now let's compare apples to apples shall we?? When Buzz had his own guys, how did he do?? Wojo has had all his own guys for a few years now...are the results comparable?? You know the answer to that...and this is where you will remain silent, because it's game over...It's a straight up even comparison..man y mano, buzz's own guys vs Wojo's own guys...and keep in mind, Buzz had his success in the greatest conference ever assembled.What say you now??
What changed? That nine year run started with the entry into the Big East during its prime. Had MU entered the Big East and not been good that nine year run wouldn’t have happened. It ended when the Big East broke a part. At the time the new Big East was seen as mid major by most talking heads and recruits were questioning whether it would remain near the top. Had Nova not won it twice it probably would be. Look how many prominent coaches left. MU walked into the new league and sucked. Our coach just left. If you look back and take emotions out, Wojo’s first team wasn’t good. Not much he could do with it as High school recruits were signed prior to him being announced. That team was more of a sign of Buzz’s team then Wojo’s. Had Buzz stayed we would have had Shayok and Hill so our year might have been better but he didn’t stay so again team was more of a reflection of Buzz. Year 2 we got slightly better but still filling gaps. Based on what was there, I consider Wojo’s first year year 3 and he will likely be three for four in that stretch. Just like I don’t consider Buzz’s first year at VT his first year because he inherited junk but he took our recruits which made his year two slightly better.
I say Buzz is the better coach, like I have always said.I also say that Buzz wasn't fired, so Wojo doesn't need to be at that level to avoid being fired.
Other than maybe Cheeks, I don't think anyone has said that Wojo is better Buzz, so I'm not sure who you're arguing with Guru.
You can say Buzz was run off though. But regardless TAMU, my argument isn't so much that Wojo needs to be at that level to avoid being fired, my question is more along the lines of, why can't we expect the same results, or awfully close?? Why hasn't he gotten to that level?? After 5 years, Buzz and TC both had conference championships and deep post season success. Why can't/shouldn't that have been the expectation after the same time frame for Wojo?? I think that's fair.
I guess it depends on what your definition of expectations is. For me if you don't meet expectations you are fired. You seem to have a different definition.