2022-23 NBA Thread

[MU82]

I really love watching Jokic play. In addition to his physical talent, he "thinks" and "sees" such a great game. He's like Gretzky or Bird or Magic in the way he anticipates openings in the opposing defense.

Van Gundy made a really good point about how soft Jokic's shot is -- he gets bounces that a lot of others don't, and often those bounces happen after a spinning move during which he has to contort that big body of his.

A truly unique offensive talent, and one that would have excelled in any era IMHO.

[MuggsyB]

This guy gets it.  Do we really think it's just a coincidence that after a full season of playing every team in the NBA, the Heat lose Herro and then play the 3 best teams in the NBA plus a solid but not spectacular Knicks team and have a much better winning percentage and a much, much better offensive efficiency?  Their offense changed without Herro.  The ball actually moves.  They're clearly a better team without Herro in the lineup.

But oh no!  They looked bad for a single game!

I noticed that Fluffy essentially said nothing positive about Vincent or Robinson after G2 but is now excoriating Gabe because he had a bad game.  The fact of the matter is, as you have stated repeatedly, Miami without Herro no longer has a perpetual ball stopper who dribbles superfluously like Kyrie.  The flow of the offense is completely different with far better ball and player movement.  It's not about which individual is better, it's about whether the team is better.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I noticed that Fluffy essentially said nothing positive about Vincent or Robinson after G2 but is now excoriating Gabe because he had a bad game.  The fact of the matter is, as you have stated repeatedly, Miami without Herro no longer has a perpetual ball stopper who dribbles superfluously like Kyrie.  The flow of the offense is completely different with far better ball and player movement.  It's not about which individual is better, it's about whether the team is better.

Ah, shifting goalposts I see....

[MuggsyB]

I really love watching Jokic play. In addition to his physical talent, he "thinks" and "sees" such a great game. He's like Gretzky or Bird or Magic in the way he anticipates openings in the opposing defense.

Van Gundy made a really good point about how soft Jokic's shot is -- he gets bounces that a lot of others don't, and often those bounces happen after a spinning move during which he has to contort that big body of his.

A truly unique offensive talent, and one that would have excelled in any era IMHO.

Yes, no question about it.  Although I do think the throwback player that would have been unbelievable today is Hakeem.  He would have extended his range and could guard all over the floor.  His post game and quicks were ridiculous.

[MuggsyB]

Ah, shifting goalposts I see....

Not at all.  Is that your euphemism for I don't have a rebuttal? 

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Not at all.  Is that your euphemism for I don't have a rebuttal? 

Again, you said "addition by subtraction." Now when shown how ridiculous a statement that is, you are merely parroting someone else's point. 

[MuggsyB]

Again, you said "addition by subtraction." Now when shown how ridiculous a statement that is, you are merely parroting someone else's point.

Have a good day Fluffy.  The whole point of addition by subtraction is that multiple guys are now involved and the ball movement is better. 

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Have a good day Fluffy.  The whole point of addition by subtraction is that multiple guys are now involved and the ball movement is better. 

Ahh... 

[4everwarriors]

Fore a basketball chat board, itz amazin' how many y'all don't no chit 'bout ball, hey?

[wadesworld]

Fore a basketball chat board, itz amazin' how many y'all don't no chit 'bout ball, hey?

The Hausers were right.

[4everwarriors]

Woj knew nothing about interpersonal relationships or coaching a team. Plus, he was either stubborn, ignorant, or both and didn't learn. So yeah, the Hausers were write. Move on if you don't like something. The differences between Shaka and Woj are so apparent. Pretty sure Smart would neva gotten his tit stuck in a wringer like Woj did, aina?

[Uncle Rico]

Woj knew nothing about interpersonal relationships or coaching a team. Plus, he was either stubborn, ignorant, or both and didn't learn. So yeah, the Hausers were write. Move on if you don't like something. The differences between Shaka and Woj are so apparent. Pretty sure Smart would neva gotten his tit stuck in a wringer like Woj did, aina?

Next man up, aina?

[MU82]

Miami has done well in the postseason without Herro.

There is absolutely no way to know whether they would have done better, worse or the same with him.

But carry on ...

[BM1090]

The Heat in this series? They are not “just fine.”

Yep. Denver in 5.

[Jockey]

Denver is clearly the better team. The heat have to shoot close to 50% from 3 to win. No other way.

[wadesworld]

"I'm back!" ~Joe Prunty

[cheebs09]

"I'm back!" ~Joe Prunty

Between Prunty and Stotts on Stats coming back, we are seeing some of the Greatest Hits.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

"I'm back!" ~Joe Prunty

First Stotts...now Prunty.

Wonder what Scott Skiles or Larry Drew are up to.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Between Prunty and Stotts on Stats coming back, we are seeing some of the Greatest Hits.

Larry Kryskowiak - tanned, rested and ready.

[4everwarriors]

First Stotts...now Prunty.

Wonder what Scott Skiles or Larry Drew are up to.

I'll translate...Griffin is nowhere ready to be an NBA head coach. He's sitting in that seat simply because #34 runs the team and could bolt at anytime if his feelings get hurt, hey?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

You have to look at the playoffs as a whole.  Vincent and Martin have been huge in their wins.  Vincent isn't better than Herro, it about the rotation now and the collective production of several players.  Herro is a very good iso scorer but that would not have been a winning formula for the Heat in the playoffs and would have truncated the minutes of three players that have all been highly important to their Finals run.

None of this addresses what I posted. Herro being available or not available has nothing to do with how Vincent or Martin have performed in the playoffs. If Herro was available, Spo could have still played Vincent and Martin in the exact same way and just had Herro come off the bench, or sit on the bench in case of emergency. I guarantee you that even if you accept the premise that Heat are better with Vincent and Martin playing big minutes, Herro is at very least better than the last guy on the roster. Ergo, not addition by subtraction.

[MuggsyB]

None of this addresses what I posted. Herro being available or not available has nothing to do with how Vincent or Martin have performed in the playoffs. If Herro was available, Spo could have still played Vincent and Martin in the exact same way and just had Herro come off the bench, or sit on the bench in case of emergency. I guarantee you that even if you accept the premise that Heat are better with Vincent and Martin playing big minutes, Herro is at very least better than the last guy on the roster. Ergo, not addition by subtraction.

Herro averaged 35 mins a game during the course of the season and close to 17 shots per game.   I disagree that Spo would have played Martin, Vincent, or Robinson close to the minutes they have gotten in the playoffs. 

[Uncle Rico]

Herro averaged 35 mins a game during the course of the season and close to 17 shots per game.   I disagree that Spo would have played Martin, Vincent, or Robinson close to the minutes they have gotten in the playoffs.

What does Spo know

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Herro averaged 35 mins a game during the course of the season and close to 17 shots per game.   I disagree that Spo would have played Martin, Vincent, or Robinson close to the minutes they have gotten in the playoffs.

So are you saying that Spo, one of the best current basketball coaches in the world,  couldn't figure out what lineup and rotations are best for his team? But you can?

Even if this is true,  thats a coaching issue,  not addition by subtraction

[MU82]

Muggsy used the term "addition by subtraction" incorrectly. Based on his many comments, it appears he meant that Miami has played better as a team during the postseason stretch without Herro than they did during any stretch of the season with him. That's accurate.

It still doesn't speak to how they would have played with Herro in the postseason had he been healthy. That, we don't know. What we do know is that they generally have played well without him.