2022-23 NBA Thread

[MuggsyB]

Ban secondary defenders taking charges.

I like this idea.

[tower912]

So, take away help defense.   No thanks.

[MuggsyB]

So, take away help defense.   No thanks.

That's not what he wrote.

[tower912]

It is.  It just isn't how he or you see it.

[MuggsyB]

It is.  It just isn't how he or you see it.

How could either of us see it this way if he literally didn't write that?

[BM1090]

You can play help defense without taking charges. Does it eliminate a portion of help defense? For sure. But it also prevents a ton of dangerous plays and makes the game more watchable.

[forgetful]

Always has been.

Conversely, you seem to think that a player like LeBron should be able to put his shoulder into a defender's sternum and plow his way to the basket.

One of the problems though is they tend to let your scenario go (e.g. Lebron, Davis, Giannis, others). In the last Lakers/GSW game Lebron and Davis were doing exactly as you say and they called blocking fouls (some might have been, but they are close), one of which was overturning a charge, where Davis clearly lowered the shoulder and even pushed off with a forearm.

Then they call obvious flops.

I think charges need to stay, but they need to be better about being consistent, especially in the playoffs.

[MuggsyB]

Why doesn't Draymond Green even look at the basket?  8 mins and completely useless.  He got the ball 6 feet from the rim and passed it outside immediately like it was a hot potato. 

[MuggsyB]

Curry is going to need some help.  Where the H is Klay?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Make charging a violation instead of a foul.  Expand the circle.

[MuggsyB]

Make charging a violation instead of a foul.  Expand the circle.

You mean like a 3 secs or traveling?  That's an interesting thought.

[MuggsyB]

Wow.  Lonnie Walker?

[MuggsyB]

That was brutal. 

[PGsHeroes32]

Woof that was an awful last 17ish minutes of bball from the Warriors.

COuldnt make anything. Klay was awful. Poole belongs in Serbia.

Steph the play maker was unreal but even he couldnt make anything. They just kept bombing off balance shots.

[PGsHeroes32]

They inbound to Draymond??

Unreal.

[MuggsyB]

They inbound to Draymond??

Unreal.

That was beyond belief.

[MuggsyB]

Woof that was an awful last 17ish minutes of bball from the Warriors.

COuldnt make anything. Klay was awful. Poole belongs in Serbia.

Steph the play maker was unreal but even he couldnt make anything. They just kept bombing off balance shots.

Exactly right.  That was atrocious and they deserved to lose.

[tower912]

I would love the officiating on the charge to be more consistent.   I would love all basketball officiating to be more consistent.   Alas, doomed to eternal disappointment.

[lawdog77]

I would love the officiating on the charge to be more consistent.   I would love all basketball officiating to be more consistent.   Alas, doomed to eternal disappointment.

Not eternal, once AI and robot officials become prevalent, we will be good to go.

[tower912]

Right now, AI will tell you anything you want.   So, exactly like NBA playoff officiating.

[Herman Cain]

Enjoying the Heat success so far in this Knocks series . Jimmy willing this team to victory is impressive .

Would prefer to see the Warriors , however they have their backs against the wall

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

So, take away help defense.   No thanks.

That's not banning help defense at all - and you're smart enough to know that.  I don't think banning secondary defenders from taking charges is necessarily the answer either.  But IMO there needs to be a better written rule to prevent someone from claiming space an instant before they start their upward motion to the basket.  IMO that barely counts as "defense" at all. 
 

[tower912]

I completely disagree.

[JWags85]

That's not banning help defense at all - and you're smart enough to know that.  I don't think banning secondary defenders from taking charges is necessarily the answer either.  But IMO there needs to be a better written rule to prevent someone from claiming space an instant before they start their upward motion to the basket.  IMO that barely counts as "defense" at all.

There was a stretch late in the second quarter in the Heat/Knicks game yesterday where there were 4, maybe 5, charges called in the stretch of about 8 possessions.  None of them were particularly tough hard nosed defense, more just taking advantage of how the rule is called as we are discussing.   The refs were hamming it up with empathic motions and it was just an awful slog of basketball to watch

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I completely disagree.

I appreciate skill.  A secondary defender taking a charge in front of a driving offensive player at the last second isn't skillful. I would much rather have the skill of the offensive player be emphasized.