2022-23 NBA Thread

[JWags85]

He was a bad 3 pt. shooter.

I said he was just a guy. In other words a 12-14 Pt and 6-7 rebound guy. A decent enough player, but certainly not great.

Jae Crowder has been a better scorer in his career per 36 min. than Wallace. And while Jae should be in the MU HoF, I doubt he will ever get a single vote for the Basketball Hall of Fame. That is what I mean by 'just a guy'. A good player who is not special.

I certainly did not call him a replacement level player.

He averaged 14.4 and 6.7 for his career.  And that includes a number of declining years on the end of his career.  Thats like summing up Gary Payton's career based on his time in Boston, Miami, and LA.

And "bad 3 pt shooter"?  Great, here we go with hyperbole again.  He was a career 34% 3pt shooter.  He shot around 36% for good chunks of his prime, in a very different NBA shooting era.  Guys with roughly 36% career 3P percentages include Kyle Lowery, Chris Paul and Eric Gordon, none of whom are "bad 3pt shooters".  He wasn't Peja Stojaković, but stop acting like he was some brick layer just cause you think he was a mediocre pro.

But you'll continue to cherry pick stats (choosing a guy who was never even a top 3 option on his team/playing lesser minutes in a complementary role to compare to a star/focal point of an offense) to die on this hill that nobody else resides on.  So enough to let it be

[Herman Cain]

Harold Baines.

I agree with this analysis

[wadesworld]

He averaged 14.4 and 6.7 for his career.  And that includes a number of declining years on the end of his career.  Thats like summing up Gary Payton's career based on his time in Boston, Miami, and LA.

And "bad 3 pt shooter"?  Great, here we go with hyperbole again.  He was a career 34% 3pt shooter.  He shot around 36% for good chunks of his prime, in a very different NBA shooting era.  Guys with roughly 36% career 3P percentages include Kyle Lowery, Chris Paul and Eric Gordon, none of whom are "bad 3pt shooters".  He wasn't Peja Stojaković, but stop acting like he was some brick layer just cause you think he was a mediocre pro.

But you'll continue to cherry pick stats (choosing a guy who was never even a top 3 option on his team/playing lesser minutes in a complementary role to compare to a star/focal point of an offense) to die on this hill that nobody else resides on.  So enough to let it be

Exactly. Comparing Rasheed Wallace’s college stats to Justin Lewis’s, lol.

Throwing out points per 36 to current players. How many team points were being scored then vs. now?

Some really bad takes and then some goalpost shifting. It’s fun.

[MU82]

Look, Wallace was a good player. Could even call him a very good bordering on great player during his prime.

But what set Jockey off was Iguodala comparing him to Giannis, who will be a first-ballot HoFer and could end up being a top-25 all-time player.

So Jockey is probably over the top in his criticism of Wallace ... but he's just some anonymous interwebs guy. A respected NBA pro actually thought comparing Sheed favorably to Giannis was a great take. Iggy deserves criticism for a dopey-arse take.

[Jockey]

Exactly. Comparing Rasheed Wallace’s college stats to Justin Lewis’s, lol.

Throwing out points per 36 to current players. How many team points were being scored then vs. now?

Some really bad takes and then some goalpost shifting. It’s fun.

Wondering what was taking so long for you to pipe in with your 'take'.

[Uncle Rico]

Sheed probably fits the modern NBA better than when he played.  That said, he lacks what makes Giannis so special and that’s the extra drive the great ones have. 

His biggest enemy was always himself.  Great talent, great player, great career but always felt like he could have been more

[Jockey]

Look, Wallace was a good player. Could even call him a very good bordering on great player during his prime.

But what set Jockey off was Iguodala comparing him to Giannis, who will be a first-ballot HoFer and could end up being a top-25 all-time player.

So Jockey is probably over the top in his criticism of Wallace ... but he's just some anonymous interwebs guy. A respected NBA pro actually thought comparing Sheed favorably to Giannis was a great take. Iggy deserves criticism for a dopey-arse take.

Which I literally said. "My hyperbole was a lot less than Iguadala’s hyperbole."

None of these resident geniuses took issue with Iguadala's statement which says a lot except for maybe Wags (i'm too lazy to scroll back).

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Look, Wallace was a good player. Could even call him a very good bordering on great player during his prime.

But what set Jockey off was Iguodala comparing him to Giannis, who will be a first-ballot HoFer and could end up being a top-25 all-time player.

So Jockey is probably over the top in his criticism of Wallace ... but he's just some anonymous interwebs guy. A respected NBA pro actually thought comparing Sheed favorably to Giannis was a great take. Iggy deserves criticism for a dopey-arse take.

Thanks

[Hards Alumni]

Look, Wallace was a good player. Could even call him a very good bordering on great player during his prime.

But what set Jockey off was Iguodala comparing him to Giannis, who will be a first-ballot HoFer and could end up being a top-25 all-time player.

So Jockey is probably over the top in his criticism of Wallace ... but he's just some anonymous interwebs guy. A respected NBA pro actually thought comparing Sheed favorably to Giannis was a great take. Iggy deserves criticism for a dopey-arse take.

Great, lemme go argue with Iguodala on a message board about his poor take.

I think everyone identified the mistake both guys made, but no one is trying to litigate how dumb Iguodala's was.

A very simple, "I guess I didn't know enough about Rasheed Wallace's career" probably would have ended this about 20 posts ago.

[MuggsyB]

Great, lemme go argue with Iguodala on a message board about his poor take.

I think everyone identified the mistake both guys made, but no one is trying to litigate how dumb Iguodala's was.

A very simple, "I guess I didn't know enough about Rasheed Wallace's career" probably would have ended this about 20 posts ago.

So no one "litigated" how dumb Iguodala’s take was because you said so?  I "litigated it" before MU 82 and it led to a discussion of how good Rasheed Wallace was in his era and how stupid Iggy's comments were.  You're lecturing for no reason and adding a post to a thread which you claim should have been terminated.  I find this a little bizarre. 

[Hards Alumni]

So no one "litigated" how dumb Iguodala’s take was because you said so?  I "litigated it" before MU 82 and it led to a discussion of how good Rasheed Wallace was in his era and how stupid Iggy's comments were.  You're lecturing for no reason and adding a post to a thread which you claim should have been terminated.  I find this a little bizarre.

You're misunderstanding.  No one disagreed around here when Iguodala was called an idiot.

People disagreed when Rasheed Wallace was called 'just a guy'.

[MuggsyB]

You're misunderstanding.  No one disagreed around here when Iguodala was called an idiot.

People disagreed when Rasheed Wallace was called 'just a guy'.

Yes.  But Jockey admitted he was being hyperbolic to amplify his point.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Yes.  But Jockey admitted he was being hyperbolic to amplify his point.

    Sure.

[Hards Alumni]

Yes.  But Jockey admitted he was being hyperbolic to amplify his point.

That's what people do instead of saying they made a mistake.

[MuggsyB]

That's what people do instead of saying they made a mistake.

Everyone makes mistakes.  I think he was trying to be hyperbolic but the execution could have fallen a bit flat.  Clearly Wallace was a solid player. 

[Hards Alumni]

Everyone makes mistakes.  I think he was trying to be hyperbolic but the execution could have fallen a bit flat.  Clearly Wallace was a solid player.

Right, and I don't care that he made a mistake.  At all.  I make them all the time. 

[MU82]

Damn, I love Scoop.

[Jockey]

Great, lemme go argue with Iguodala on a message board about his poor take.

I think everyone identified the mistake both guys made, but no one is trying to litigate how dumb Iguodala's was.

A very simple, "I guess I didn't know enough about Rasheed Wallace's career" probably would have ended this about 20 posts ago.

This post is why hyperbole is such a fun tool.

[Hards Alumni]

This post is why hyperbole is such a fun tool.

Got it, so the next time I'm clearly wrong I'll just say, "I was being hyperbolic!" and you'll just have to accept it.

[lawdog77]

Right, and I don't care that he made a mistake.  At all.  I make them all the time.

Your latest being spending time trying to convince Jockey to admit he was clueless about Rasheed Wallace.

[Hards Alumni]

Your latest being spending time trying to convince Jockey to admit he was clueless about Rasheed Wallace.

[Skatastrophy]

Your latest being spending time trying to convince Jockey to admit he was clueless about Rasheed Wallace.

But you don't understand, someone was wrong on the internet.

[lawdog77]

But you don't understand, someone was wrongbeing hyperbolic on the internet.

FIFY

[JWags85]

I know he's an amusing story, but I'm shocked the Tacko Fall experiment is still going on in Summer League.  He's now in his late 20s, still has zero agility or quickness, and his offense hasn't gotten even remotely better.  If he holds the ball for more than a second below his shoulders, its immediately swiped away.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

This post is why hyperbole is such a fun tool.

Hyperbole is the greatest thing in the history of the universe!