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Marquette played as expected and...
« on: November 21, 2018, 09:19:00 PM »
... those that have been paying attention, got what was expected, because Marquette didn't exceed expectations.

... those that expected a Kansas blowout, are not as happy as they could be.

... those that hate Wojo, think the 1st half was a fluke, and the 2nd half is the whole story.

If MUScoop had a 12 year powerpoint plan.  We're 100% to expectation.   

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Re: Marquette played as expected and...
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2018, 09:21:48 PM »
Vegas had the game at 8.5.    MU played 30 decent minutes.     Losing to a top 3 team on a neutral court by single digits is not Hiroshima.   
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Re: Marquette played as expected and...
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2018, 09:26:13 PM »
I should add...

Happy thanksgiving MU fans.  We all want the same thing. 

To win oodles and oodles of games.  And to get pumpkin and/or pecan pie for dessert.  I prefer all 3!

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Re: Marquette played as expected and...
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2018, 09:30:31 PM »
I had them losing this game, the next one and then Kansas State.  Come BE time, they get the kinks out and do extremely well in a down year BE. 

Only expectation so far not met is Ed Morrow, who I thought would be a huge impact, but is a huge disappointment.  Wish Joey didn’t get in foul trouble, he is special and did not miss a shot tonight.  He is needed/required for offense. 

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Re: Marquette played as expected and...
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2018, 09:42:41 PM »
Bailey is pressing. His defense is bad.
For those who think he should average 20 minutes are sadly mistaken.

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Re: Marquette played as expected and...
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2018, 09:54:14 PM »
Bailey is pressing. His defense is bad.
For those who think he should average 20 minutes are sadly mistaken.

Exactly right.  He’ll probably be fine, but he is clearly not ready for anything more than a very minor role for now

That said, I’d play him over Morrow without thinking twice

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Re: Marquette played as expected and...
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2018, 09:55:51 PM »
There are no slashers on this team. No one can drive and score or post up down low. Its straight up live and die by the three

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Re: Marquette played as expected and...
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2018, 10:22:36 PM »
There are no slashers on this team. No one can drive and score or post up down low. Its straight up live and die by the three

which begs the question... is Wojo as great of a recruiter as we think he is?

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Re: Marquette played as expected and...
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2018, 10:32:11 PM »
which begs the question... is Wojo as great of a recruiter as we think he is?
Wojo is a very solid above average recruiter. He has assembled a fully stocked team capable of a top tier finish in the Big East .  He definitely is making good use of the tools and resources at his disposal. However , he is not a great recruiter which would imply a roster with enough quality to be a factor in the national conversation, top 15 high seed in tournament etc.
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Re: Marquette played as expected and...
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2018, 10:36:06 PM »
Absolutely not.  I think hes decent enough to get the big wisconsin hometown boys but hes not a national elite player recruiter.  What did we add one piece this year along w a bunch of scrubs.  Tuny is the biggest wtf roster add ever???!!!?

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Re: Marquette played as expected and...
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2018, 10:40:49 PM »
Tuny is the biggest wtf roster add ever???!!!?

Not with Morrow he isn’t. Only question is, how in the world did he post modest success in Big 10?? Did he pad stats in garbage time?  I’d seriously like to know

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Re: Marquette played as expected and...
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2018, 10:50:47 PM »
It’s really sickening to read the high amount of apologists on this board. Who gives a sh*t what the spread was or that they’re the #3 team in country. They had a 12 point lead late in half and then went over 9 minutes without scoring. Not 1 point. This happened many times last year. Run a damn set plau! They shot their first free throw about 30 minutes in. Howard takes terrible shots and never gets yanked. Other players make 1 mistake and get yanked. Defensive rotations are awful. No one can stop the dribble drive. Team can’t play defense without fouling. Team turns the ball over constantly. These are coaching issues and they’ve been consistent into Wojo’s 5th year.

Marquette spends over $10M on their basketball program, not including a use of a private jet. Top 6 teams in terms of spending: Louisville, Kentucky, Syracuse, UCLA, Marquette & Duke. Which team doesn’t belong? The results are unacceptable in my book.

Wojo seems like a good person and seems to have a knack for recruiting. I’ve been patient, but it’s obvious the guy can’t coach. I don’t see anything different in 5 games that I saw in the previous 4 years. Thankfully the big east is very weak so maybe they can pick up 11 conference wins and make it into tourney. I don’t get why Wojo has such a long leash. Results have been awful! Mike deane made 2 tourneys and 2 NITs in his 5 years and got canned.
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Re: Marquette played as expected and...
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2018, 10:51:37 PM »
Under Wojo's 'development' Morrow's game has regressed to a painfully bad level

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Re: Marquette played as expected and...
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2018, 10:57:16 PM »
Under Wojo's 'development' Morrow's game has regressed to a painfully bad level

Morrow has been the biggest concern so far. I almost wonder if he's injured. Mind-boggling how much he has seemed to regress from his Husker days
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Re: Marquette played as expected and...
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2018, 11:09:40 PM »
It’s really sickening to read the high amount of apologists on this board. Who gives a sh*t what the spread was or that they’re the #3 team in country. They had a 12 point lead late in half and then went over 9 minutes without scoring. Not 1 point. This happened many times last year. Run a damn set plau! They shot their first free throw about 30 minutes in. Howard takes terrible shots and never gets yanked. Other players make 1 mistake and get yanked. Defensive rotations are awful. No one can stop the dribble drive. Team can’t play defense without fouling. Team turns the ball over constantly. These are coaching issues and they’ve been consistent into Wojo’s 5th year.

Marquette spends over $10M on their basketball program, not including a use of a private jet. Top 6 teams in terms of spending: Louisville, Kentucky, Syracuse, UCLA, Marquette & Duke. Which team doesn’t belong? The results are unacceptable in my book.

Wojo seems like a good person and seems to have a knack for recruiting. I’ve been patient, but it’s obvious the guy can’t coach. I don’t see anything different in 5 games that I saw in the previous 4 years. Thankfully the big east is very weak so maybe they can pick up 11 conference wins and make it into tourney. I don’t get why Wojo has such a long leash. Results have been awful! Mike deane made 2 tourneys and 2 NITs in his 5 years and got canned.

Top 6... and what was wojo been able to accomplish?

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Re: Marquette played as expected and...
« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2018, 11:49:42 PM »
Marquette spends over $10M on their basketball program, not including a use of a private jet. Top 6 teams in terms of spending: Louisville, Kentucky, Syracuse, UCLA, Marquette & Duke. Which team doesn’t belong? The results are unacceptable in my book.

Even if your spending numbers were correct (which they probably aren't).  As of today...Kenpom numbers...

#1    Duke
#15  Kentucky
#17  Syracuse
#34  Marquette
#39  UCLA
#58  Louisville

I'd say we're right there with the rest of our spending peers....

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Re: Marquette played as expected and...
« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2018, 12:09:43 AM »
This played out similarly to what I expected, with exaggerated good and bad. I figured we'd have spurts of offense in the first half to stay competitive and then we'd see changes from KU in the second half that put the game away.

Unfortunately, the bad to begin the second half was as bad as a team can play. And it lasted for almost 10 minutes! 10 freakin' minutes. That's just not going to cut it in high major basketball. We need to find a way to be more consistent. Preferably before Bucky shows up at Fiserv in a few weeks.

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« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2018, 12:19:19 AM »
Hilarious how the consensus has already changed from Sweet 16 or farther into let’s just make the tournament.. unacceptable with this talent level. Unfortunately the best scorer on the team only does that well and nothing else, and can completely take his own team out of the game with terrible shots that don’t fall.

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« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2018, 12:28:22 AM »
Everything has built to this moment.  I don’t expect to beat Kansas or win every game but I do expect to win most of them. 

We’re gonna know by Dec 8th if we made the right hire or not. 

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« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2018, 12:36:37 AM »
The last 4 years:

Duke: 117-32 (.785), 4 NCAAs (12-3, Champions 2015, Sweet 16 2016, 2nd Round 2017, Elite 8 2018)

Kentucky: 123-26 (.825) 4 NCAAs (10-4, Final Four 2015, 2nd Round 2016, Elite 8 2017, Sweet 16 2018)

Syracuse:81-54 (.600), 2 NCAAs (7-2, Final Four 2016, Sweet 16 2018), 1 NIT (1-1, 2nd Round 2017)

UCLA:89-48 (.649) 3 NCAAs (4-3, Sweet 16 2015 & 2017, First Four 2018)

Louisville: 97-40 (.708), 2 NCAAs (4-2, Elite 8 2015, 2nd Round 2017), 1 NIT (2-1, Quarterfinals 2016)

Marquette:73-58 (.557) 1 NCAA (0-1, First Round 2017), 1 NIT (2-1, Quarterfinals 2018)

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« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2018, 12:40:34 AM »
We are not who we thought we were.

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Re: Marquette played as expected and...
« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2018, 12:57:57 AM »
Tuny is the biggest wtf roster add ever???!!!?

I remember how absolutely awful Locket looked until he suddenly made some buckets and played D in the NCAA tournament.  so he deserves more time

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« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2018, 12:59:22 AM »
We are not who we thought we were.

that’s what happen when you mess with happy.
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« Reply #23 on: November 22, 2018, 05:44:45 AM »
The last 4 years:

Syracuse:81-54 (.600), 2 NCAAs (2-2, 2nd Round 2016 & 2018), 1 NIT (1-1, 2nd Round 2017)

I didn't fact check the rest, but Syracuse was 7-2 in the NCAAs with a Final Four in 2016 & Sweet 16 in 2018.
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Re: Marquette played as expected and...
« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2018, 06:28:56 AM »
Oh God...someone is bringing up how much the University spends without context again....

 

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