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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: MUBurrow on November 26, 2017, 07:45:59 PM
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Mostly just started this thread to say #lolvols. Has any school messed up more coaching hires in rapid succession than Tennessee?
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Bert Bielema may want to reconsider which schools give him a better shot to win a national title.
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Mostly just started this thread to say #lolvols. Has any school messed up more coaching hires in rapid succession than Tennessee?
Actually might be a cautionary tale on letting the Twitter mob call the shots
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Actually might be a cautionary tale on letting the Twitter mob call the shots
Eh. He was a poor choice regardless of the PSU stuff.
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He was excellent at Rutgers.
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Schiano sucks. And even if you disagree with that assessment, its hard to see how the cost-benefit analysis of his baggage vs his likelihood of success would result in you handing him a good SEC job.
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Excellent is an exaggeration. He was good in a terrible conference. Really makes him no different than Butch Jones.
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Vols need to just pay Gruden the 10 million a year and that would appease the fan base, any other candidate cannot win them over at this point. Should be interesting in Knoxville.
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Eh. He was a poor choice regardless of the PSU stuff.
I don't disagree about Schiano being a bad coach, but that fanbase is insane and just grabbed onto anything so they could revolt. Also a pretty clear indictment on media's inability to get facts right and how that information then becomes abused by the general public
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I don't disagree about Schiano being a bad coach, but that fanbase is insane and just grabbed onto anything so they could revolt. Also a pretty clear indictment on media's inability to get facts right and how that information then becomes abused by the general public
The media reported the story accurately. People interpreted it wrong.
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Agreed that UT is insane, and that would be a good reason for any coach to not take that job. Schiano and Vols fans kind of deserve each other actually. When this is all said and done, I think Mike Norvell ends up with that job, which is kind of too bad because the fanbase is going to be irate, and he seems like a promising young coach.
Mullen to UF looks to clear the runway for Frost to Neb. Kind of wonder if that was a #donedeal for a couple of days now, and lead to the Mullen hire. I certainly would rather have Frost of I'm UF, but I know there's a lot of Mullen fans in SEC country too.
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I don't disagree about Schiano being a bad coach, but that fanbase is insane and just grabbed onto anything so they could revolt. Also a pretty clear indictment on media's inability to get facts right and how that information then becomes abused by the general public
1. I'm not sure Schiano is a bad (college) coach. The fact he had a winning record at Rutgers, when his three predecessors and two successors have combined to go 98-150, doesn't support that.
2. What did "the media" (which obviously is a single entity and not hundreds of individual outlets with varying standards) get wrong?
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Vols need to just pay Gruden the 10 million a year and that would appease the fan base, any other candidate cannot win them over at this point. Should be interesting in Knoxville.
Gruden is getting paid as much as Saban to call one game a week on ESPN, plus his pre-draft QB camp.
Why would he want to trade that to step into the dumpster fire that is Tennessee football?
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Gruden is getting paid as much as Saban to call one game a week on ESPN, plus his pre-draft QB camp.
Why would he want to trade that to step into the dumpster fire that is Tennessee football?
Plus he can "Buzz - to - Texas" ESPN with every single coaching vacancy.
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So, does anyone think it's a coincidence that Tennessee's most influential booster happens to be the same guy that owns the Cleveland Browns?
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1. I'm not sure Schiano is a bad (college) coach. The fact he had a winning record at Rutgers, when his three predecessors and two successors have combined to go 98-150, doesn't support that.
2. What did "the media" (which obviously is a single entity and not hundreds of individual outlets with varying standards) get wrong?
Let me explain with more nuance for Item 2. Washington Post wrote a clickbate type headline when reporting the story - "Greg Schiano, Tom Bradley knew of Sandusky abuse at Penn State, documents show" and invoked "Court Documents" within the reporting to lend credence to the reporting.
The core of the story is that Mike McQueery testified (hence Court Documents) that Tom Bradley told him that Greg Schiano told Tom Bradley that Schiano saw Sandusky do something (what that something was is alluded to in the testimony but not explicitly stated). It's double hearsay at best and is not anywhere near admissible in court. Further both Schiano and Bradley have denied the claim, and the Pennsylvania AG(who was looking to, rightly, nail anyone and everyone that could be for being involved in a cover-up or enablement of Sandusky's crimes) did not bring charges or even move beyond preliminary investigations.
An analogy, I could testify in court that aliens exist because my friend Steve (a real person and scientist) was told by Bill Nye (the science guy who Steve actually knows) that he once saw an alien. The head line could then read "Aliens exist according to court documents". Is that factually accurate, sure but is it truthful or a misrepresentation?
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Let me explain with more nuance for Item 2. Washington Post wrote a clickbate type headline when reporting the story - "Greg Schiano, Tom Bradley knew of Sandusky abuse at Penn State, documents show" and invoked "Court Documents" within the reporting to lend credence to the reporting.
The core of the story is that Mike McQueery testified (hence Court Documents) that Tom Bradley told him that Greg Schiano told Tom Bradley that Schiano saw Sandusky do something (what that something was is alluded to in the testimony but not explicitly stated). It's double hearsay at best and is not anywhere near admissible in court. Further both Schiano and Bradley have denied the claim, and the Pennsylvania AG(who was looking to, rightly, nail anyone and everyone that could be for being involved in a cover-up or enablement of Sandusky's crimes) did not bring charges or even move beyond preliminary investigations.
An analogy, I could testify in court that aliens exist because my friend Steve (a real person and scientist) was told by Bill Nye (the science guy who Steve actually knows) that he once saw an alien. The head line could then read "Aliens exist according to court documents". Is that factually accurate, sure but is it truthful or a misrepresentation?
So, when you say "the media" couldn't get the facts right, what you meant is that a single newspaper wrote a factually correct headline back in 2016 that you believe was misleading, atop a story that makes clear from the very first sentence that this claim comes from unsealed witness testimony.
And not to go too far off on a tangent here, but you don't really believe that the Pennsylvania AG who allowed Joe Paterno to skate really wanted to "nail anyone and everyone" who enabled Sandusky, right?
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So, when you say "the media" couldn't get the facts right, what you meant is that a single newspaper wrote a factually correct headline back in 2016 that you believe was misleading, atop a story that makes clear from the very first sentence that this claim comes from unsealed witness testimony.
And not to go too far off on a tangent here, but you don't really believe that the Pennsylvania AG who allowed Joe Paterno to skate really wanted to "nail anyone and everyone" who enabled Sandusky, right?
Considering it was the Washington Post and the story was picked up by other major newspapers and AP/Reuters wholesale, I think it's fair to characterize it as the media
As far as the AG goes, you do realize there have been multiple AGs involved in the Sandusky case, yes? This included Kathleen Kane, who certainly was no "friend" of those accused in the Penn State case and was the AG of record when the McQueery testimony was offered and led the investigation into it? If you're referring to Tom Corbett who when on to be Governor who was the AG at the time of the original investigation, you are not wrong but that is not contemporary with the Schiano testimony.
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1. I'm not sure Schiano is a bad (college) coach. The fact he had a winning record at Rutgers, when his three predecessors and two successors have combined to go 98-150, doesn't support that.
I don't think he is a bad coach. I think he is a good coach but is nowhere near good enough, with good enough connections, to win at Tennessee. He's Randy Edsall, who was over his head at Maryland.
So ignoring the PSU thing for a second, if I'm an AAC school or a low level BCS school like Virginia or Indiana, I would take a good look at him. Tennessee? Not a chance. Way outside of his recruiting base. He'd be over his head with that mayhem.
BTW, this is exactly why you hire a search firm to help you with these things.
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Considering it was the Washington Post and the story was picked up by other major newspapers and AP/Reuters wholesale, I think it's fair to characterize it as the media
You said this was an example of the "media's inability to get facts right."
"The media" got the facts right. Yeah they wrote a sensational headline, but they got the facts 100% correct.
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As far as the AG goes, you do realize there have been multiple AGs involved in the Sandusky case, yes? This included Kathleen Kane, who certainly was no "friend" of those accused in the Penn State case and was the AG of record when the McQueery testimony was offered and led the investigation into it? If you're referring to Tom Corbett who when on to be Governor who was the AG at the time of the original investigation, you are not wrong but that is not contemporary with the Schiano testimony.
Well, which AG were you referring to when you spoke of the one trying to nail anyone involved? As far as I can tell, none of them were all that intent on nailing everyone involved because none of them went after Sandusky's primary enabler.
But again, since you're the one who brought up the AG in the first place, shouldn't you be answering that question?
And, just fyi ... the AP, Reuters, etc., don't pick up WaPo stories wholesale, much less run their headlines verbatim. That's not how it works.
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So, does anyone think it's a coincidence that Tennessee's most influential booster happens to be the same guy that owns the Cleveland Browns?
So Jim Haslam, the owner of the Browns, was on the search committee that hired the athletic director. He is also a big donor to UT athletics. His son is the governor of Tennessee.
Apparently he has always been a fan of Schiano and wanted to hire him two years ago.
https://nflspinzone.com/2014/02/12/cleveland-browns-rumors-jimmy-haslam-liked-greg-schiano-joe-banner-didnt/
Wow. What a sh*tshow.
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I don't think he is a bad coach. I think he is a good coach but is nowhere near good enough, with good enough connections, to win at Tennessee. He's Randy Edsall, who was over his head at Maryland.
So ignoring the PSU thing for a second, if I'm an AAC school or a low level BCS school like Virginia or Indiana, I would take a good look at him. Tennessee? Not a chance. Way outside of his recruiting base. He'd be over his head with that mayhem.
You may be correct about all this. But I do think the Tennessee gig has lost a lot of its luster. Chip Kelly, Dan Mullen and Mike Leach all rejected them summarily (and maybe Scott Frost also). Lane Kiffin is openly mocking them. They wouldn't have inked a deal with Schiano if there were even a glimmer of hope that they could land Gruden. The fanbase has a terrible reputation (ask Cuonzo Martin).
They may end up having to hire Tee Martin. If they were worried about Schiano being in over his head, how about a guy with zero head coaching experience and only two seasons as a coordinator?
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Oh Tee Martin would be the hugest of gambles. That would be a significantly larger risk than Schiano.
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Well, which AG were you referring to when you spoke of the one trying to nail anyone involved? As far as I can tell, none of them were all that intent on nailing everyone involved because none of them went after Sandusky's primary enabler.
But again, since you're the one who brought up the AG in the first place, shouldn't you be answering that question?
And, just fyi ... the AP, Reuters, etc., don't pick up WaPo stories wholesale, much less run their headlines verbatim. That's not how it works.
The answer is Kathleen Kane and Paterno was dead 3 months after the story broke so really wasn't much time to go after him.
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The answer is Kathleen Kane and Paterno was dead 3 months after the story broke so really wasn't much time to go after him.
The investigation began in 2009.
The first news report was in March 2011.
Mike McQueary testified in 2011 that he told Paterno what he witnessed.
Sandusky was indicted in November 2011.
Paterno died in January 2012.
There was more than enough time to go after Paterno.
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The investigation began in 2009.
The first news report was in March 2011.
Mike McQueary testified in 2011 that he told Paterno what he witnessed.
Sandusky was indicted in November 2011.
Paterno died in January 2012.
There was more than enough time to go after Paterno.
OK great, you were talking about one AG(Corbett) and I was talking about another (Kane). Are we done here?
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OK great, you were talking about one AG(Corbett) and I was talking about another (Kane). Are we done here?
I mean, we can be ... but the AG who oversaw things in 2011 - including McQueary's testimony about Paterno - was Kelly.
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I mean, we can be ... but the AG who oversaw things in 2011 - including McQueary's testimony about Paterno - was Kelly.
You're right, the actual timeline is Corbett started the investigation, when he left for the Governor's office (which it could be argued was part of his playing footie with the PSU folks on this) in January of 2011 Linda Kelly was appointed in his place...the grand jury testimony was released in November 2011 and Kelly ran point of the investigation until she was replaced by Kathleen Kane in 2013 who took over the efforts to investigate and charge anyone involved. Kathleen Kane was in charge when McQueery testified about Schiano in 2015.
That level of detail really isn't that important unless we want to be really pedantic.
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Another potential candidate rejects Tennessee:
Pete Thamel
@PeteThamel
Source: Iowa State coach Matt Campbell will not be involved in the Tennessee job.
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Another potential candidate rejects Tennessee:
Pete Thamel
@PeteThamel
Source: Iowa State coach Matt Campbell will not be involved in the Tennessee job.
Can't say I blame him - though I don't think it has anything to do with "how they treated Schiano" as some CFB guys have written. The Schiano situation doesn't really say anything about the job that candidates didn't already know, other than maybe how much of a kept woman the AD is, based on all this Haslam nonsense.
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Can't say I blame him - though I don't think it has anything to do with "how they treated Schiano" as some CFB guys have written. The Schiano situation doesn't really say anything about the job that candidates didn't already know, other than maybe how much of a kept woman the AD is, based on all this Haslam nonsense.
Yeah I think the Schiano stuff is a symptom of what that job is not the disease itself...it was a "bad" job before the Schiano stuff hit
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Agree with mueng03. I think a good comparison for Tennessee football is Illinois basketball. Good programs with some great recent history, but fancy themselves in a league with the Bama/USC/Ohio States of the world (KU/Duke/UNC for the other example). I think the difference is Tennessee has a FAR more rabid and crazy fan base and football vs basketball, and you get this mess. They are a program that could be in the discussion for a national title with the right pieces but a fan base and booster base that thinks they should be there immediately and every year.
Don’t blame a lot of coaches for saying no thanks. It’s a toxic environment in Knoxville right now
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David Cutcliffe turned down the Vols tonight. Who'd have thought we'd see the day when the Duke and Iowa State football jobs were seen as preferable to Tennessee?
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I think the difference is Tennessee has a FAR more rabid and crazy fan base and football vs basketball, and you get this mess. They are a program that could be in the discussion for a national title with the right pieces but a fan base and booster base that thinks they should be there immediately and every year.
Don’t blame a lot of coaches for saying no thanks. It’s a toxic environment in Knoxville right now
Truer words have never been said. Having grown up in Tennessee (with gazillions of Vol fans everywhere), you have to remember the sports hierarchy at UT:
1) Football
2) ______
3) Spring football
4) Women's basketball
5) Men's basketball
The blank is intentional. Vol fans eat, sleep and breath Vol football. The comment was right on -- they expect to be an Orange Alabama. Every year. No excuses. They make Green Bay Packers fans look downright apathetic.
The singular devotion to football reportedly was one of the reasons why KO left for Northwestern. He had a good thing in Big Orange Country but was always going to be fifth in line for interest and attention in the state. Vol Basketball energized, well, no one! Vol Football and fishing are the only two things that matter in Tennessee. Kinda like deer hunting and Packers football in Wisconsin!
As we used to say where I went to high school, "No fruit sucks like a big orange!"
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David Cutcliffe turned down the Vols tonight. Who'd have thought we'd see the day when the Duke and Iowa State football jobs were seen as preferable to Tennessee?
Cutcliffe's at the point in his career that he's not going to f*ck around with an AD like Currie. He has enough goodwill built up at Duke to last him a few more seasons.
Really the way they handled this is going to screw up their whole search. Apparently Currie wouldn't even contact Schiano directly but had one of his assistants call Schiano's agent.
Currie is the guy who ran Frank Martin out of KSU when he was AD there.
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Apparently Arizona State's AD was telling boosters this weekend that he was going to make a "blockbuster" head coach hire. Someone with NFL experience.
Turns out that guy might be Herm Edwards.
How can ADs be so stupid.
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Apparently Arizona State's AD was telling boosters this weekend that he was going to make a "blockbuster" head coach hire. Someone with NFL experience.
Turns out that guy might be Herm Edwards.
How can ADs be so stupid.
These guys are lazy. Why spend time researching options. Much easier to hire a friend of a friend.
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Apparently Arizona State's AD was telling boosters this weekend that he was going to make a "blockbuster" head coach hire. Someone with NFL experience.
Turns out that guy might be Herm Edwards.
How can ADs be so stupid.
Dear God.
Sumlin falls into their lap and they're hiring Herm?
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Dear God.
Sumlin falls into their lap and they're hiring Herm?
If you can get a coach on the wrong side of 60 who hasn't coached in 10 years and hasn't seen the college ranks in 30 as opposed to the guy 10 years younger who never lost more than 5 games in a year in the SEC, why wouldn't you?
Meanwhile, Mike Gundy may very well be headed to Knoxville. Which would be incredible given the disaster the last few days have been for UT. Its like ordering a pizza from Dominos and instead the delivery guy brings you a porterhouse. He's not Nick Saban but he's got a solid track record without a ton of off field black eyes and has experience dealing with influential big money boosters.
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If you can get a coach on the wrong side of 60 who hasn't coached in 10 years and hasn't seen the college ranks in 30 as opposed to the guy 10 years younger who never lost more than 5 games in a year in the SEC, why wouldn't you?
Meanwhile, Mike Gundy may very well be headed to Knoxville. Which would be incredible given the disaster the last few days have been for UT. Its like ordering a pizza from Dominos and instead the delivery guy brings you a porterhouse. He's not Nick Saban but he's got a solid track record without a ton of off field black eyes and has experience dealing with influential big money boosters.
I'm not a big Gundy fan (except for that glorious mullet), but he'd probably be the best they could do at this point.
I wouldn't say he's been without off-field black eyes, though.
This was only four years ago:
(http://www.shermanreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Oklahoma-State-250x330.jpg)
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I'm not a big Gundy fan (except for that glorious mullet), but he'd probably be the best they could do at this point.
I wouldn't say he's been without off-field black eyes, though.
This was only four years ago:
(http://www.shermanreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Oklahoma-State-250x330.jpg)
I completely forgot about that. Either way, no matta, cause Gundy isn't leaving. The subsequent list of candidates is gonna be tremendously underwhelming.
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The "righteous indignation" against Schiano and the lack of it for Gundy speaks volumes about the Tennessee fanbase. Gundy recruited and signed a player knowing he was being investigated for having sex with a 12 year old and was eventually convicted for it. Enabling a pedophile is okay as long as you put wins on the scoreboard I guess.
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The "righteous indignation" against Schiano and the lack of it for Gundy speaks volumes about the Tennessee fanbase. Gundy recruited and signed a player knowing he was being investigated for having sex with a 12 year old and was eventually convicted for it. Enabling a pedophile is okay as long as you put wins on the scoreboard I guess.
I think our society has made it clear that opposition to sexual assaulters/pedophiles is a case-by-case basis.
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This UT thing is the dumbest thing I've ever seen.
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This UT thing is the dumbest thing I've ever seen.
Agreed.
Sometimes, there is karma in the universe. And sometimes, you do reap what you have sown.
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I think our society has made it clear that opposition to sexual assaulters/pedophiles is a case-by-case basis.
+1
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The Arizona State hiring Herm Edwards just got more interesting. Apparently the AD at Arizona State used to be Herm's agent. Hope they had a long look at potential conflicts of interest.
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(http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/5a1f56773dbef4a7748b8a55-625/2017-11-2918-52-26.jpg)
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Coaches of Iowa St, Duke, NC St, Ok St have all said no to Tennessee. All of them were right to say no, just funny how this job search is going.
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Coaches of Iowa St, Duke, NC St, Ok St have all said no to Tennessee. All of them were right to say no, just funny how this job search is going.
From what I understand Mike Reilly is available.
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From what I understand Mike Reilly is available.
God he was a train wreck, huh? I mean, how can you screw up Nebraska? Good luck to Scott Frost.
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God he was a train wreck, huh? I mean, how can you screw up Nebraska? Good luck to Scott Frost.
Riley didn't screw up Nebraska. They have been screwed up for awhile. Replacing Frank Solich with Bill Callahan was when it began. Not necessarily because Solich was a fantastic coach, but because Callahan tore down a lot of what made Nebraska the program that it is - for instance their walk-on program. (Which Nebraska alum Barry Alvarez duplicated in Wisconsin.) If you hear Tom Osbourne talk about why that program was important, you can see how they were successful. (In a nutshell, walk-ons oftentimes work harder because it is their life-long dream to play football at Nebraska. That worth-ethic rubs off on the scholarship players from Florida, California, etc.)
They have been decidedly mediocre since that move. Pelini was a decent coach, but a terrible person. Riley is a great guy, but way out of his element.
What Frost bring is a tie to the past, but also with a pretty exciting background at places like Oregon. Home run hire.
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God he was a train wreck, huh? I mean, how can you screw up Nebraska? Good luck to Scott Frost.
Cause its not THAT great of a job? Nebraska isn't exactly a football hotbed and Nebraska's rise and heyday was more about Tom Osborne's greatness and also taking over a good program from Bob Devaney than it was the job. Frank Solich was just ok once he didn't have Osborne's recruits. Callahan wasn't successful and while Pelini had success, they were never more than a top 20-25 team.
I'd call it 3rd tier
Also, what Sultan said.
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Riley didn't screw up Nebraska. They have been screwed up for awhile. Replacing Frank Solich with Bill Callahan was when it began. Not necessarily because Solich was a fantastic coach, but because Callahan tore down a lot of what made Nebraska the program that it is - for instance their walk-on program. (Which Nebraska alum Barry Alvarez duplicated in Wisconsin.) If you hear Tom Osbourne talk about why that program was important, you can see how they were successful. (In a nutshell, walk-ons oftentimes work harder because it is their life-long dream to play football at Nebraska. That worth-ethic rubs off on the scholarship players from Florida, California, etc.)
They have been decidedly mediocre since that move. Pelini was a decent coach, but a terrible person. Riley is a great guy, but way out of his element.
What Frost bring is a tie to the past, but also with a pretty exciting background at places like Oregon. Home run hire.
Yep. Solich was mediocre at best but Callahan was the real disaster.
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(http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/5a1f56773dbef4a7748b8a55-625/2017-11-2918-52-26.jpg)
That's just brutal. Really, really funny. But brutal.
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That's just brutal. Really, really funny. But brutal.
He's an pretty boy, and petty, but dammit I love Lane Kiffin. And I still think he's going to be a very successful HC one day.
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Riley didn't screw up Nebraska. They have been screwed up for awhile. Replacing Frank Solich with Bill Callahan was when it began. Not necessarily because Solich was a fantastic coach, but because Callahan tore down a lot of what made Nebraska the program that it is - for instance their walk-on program. (Which Nebraska alum Barry Alvarez duplicated in Wisconsin.) If you hear Tom Osbourne talk about why that program was important, you can see how they were successful. (In a nutshell, walk-ons oftentimes work harder because it is their life-long dream to play football at Nebraska. That worth-ethic rubs off on the scholarship players from Florida, California, etc.)
They have been decidedly mediocre since that move. Pelini was a decent coach, but a terrible person. Riley is a great guy, but way out of his element.
What Frost bring is a tie to the past, but also with a pretty exciting background at places like Oregon. Home run hire.
Agreed - it was a long slide. My next door neighbor at the time Callahan was hired is a Nebraska season-ticket holder. He tried to be optimistic about the hire, but was clearly worried. Turns out he had good reason....
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And Tennessee just fired their AD.
Clusterf*ck is too nice a word to describe what is happening down in Knoxville.
EDIT:
@Brett_McMurphy
Sources: John Currie was prepared to hire Mike Leach but university officials wouldn’t allow him to do so. Phillip Fulmer has been sabotaging search process in hopes to become Tennessee’s AD
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And Tennessee just fired their AD.
Clusterf*ck is too nice a word to describe what is happening down in Knoxville.
EDIT:
@Brett_McMurphy
Sources: John Currie was prepared to hire Mike Leach but university officials wouldn’t allow him to do so. Phillip Fulmer has been sabotaging search process in hopes to become Tennessee’s AD
I can't remember which writer mentioned this, but there's no way Currie unilaterally went rogue for the Schiano hire - it would have had to be approved by regents, Prez, and Haslam and Peyton Manning also okayed it - yet not a peep once it all went sideways. Currie didn't do much of anything right here, but its not like he was in this alone. Now he's the scapegoat.
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And Tennessee just fired their AD.
Clusterf*ck is too nice a word to describe what is happening down in Knoxville.
EDIT:
@Brett_McMurphy
Sources: John Currie was prepared to hire Mike Leach but university officials wouldn’t allow him to do so. Phillip Fulmer has been sabotaging search process in hopes to become Tennessee’s AD
Don't know Tennessee football that well, would it be fair to compare Fulmer to Barry Alvarez from Wisconsin?
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It's like the Hindenburg without people dying. It is kind of glorious to watch from the outside and someday might be turned into an iconic album cover.
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Don't know Tennessee football that well, would it be fair to compare Fulmer to Barry Alvarez from Wisconsin?
I don't think Alvarez undermined his athletic director. He's been continuously employed by the University since he was hired as football coach. I think Fulmer has been out of UT for almost a decade.
Fulmer was a good coach who objectively accomplished more than Alvarez, but he took over for a pretty good coach in Johnny Majors. Alvarez built the program from nothing.
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Don't know Tennessee football that well, would it be fair to compare Fulmer to Barry Alvarez from Wisconsin?
Speaking of Barry Alverez I heard a pretty solid story about him a couple months ago. I was in Madison to root on Minnesota's women's volleyball team against the Badgers (I know one of the MN assistants, plus anytime you can root against UW you do it) and went to Dotty Dumpling's Dowry before the match. As my friend and I got up to leave I noticed Barry Alverez had been sitting at the table behind us and mentioned it to my friend when we got outside. He goes, "That guy's such an pretty boy. They have an athletic director's conference every year and one of the years my friend had a booth for his non-profit organization set up and asked me to help him work it for the weekend. We're sitting at the booth and my friend sees Barry walk by and says, 'I'm going to go talk to Barry.' I see him go up to Barry, talk for a few minutes, and when he comes back he says, 'unnatural carnal knowledge Barry Alverez.' I asked him what happened and he said Barry listened to him explain what he was doing and he handed his card over to Barry when he was done talking and Barry said, 'What do you think the chances are that I ever do anything with this thing?' and handed the card back to him."
The dude can do whatever he wants and he's praised no matter what. It's amazing how UW can ride around on their high horse over the smallest things and then when administrators in their athletic department are drugging people at athletic department parties before Rose Bowls it's just swept under the rug and handled like it's something that happens every day in every athletic department.
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Barry is the rain maker and works almost entirely with the football program. A complete figurehead with a huge ego. He's not really doing much of the actually work that most ADs do. His associate ADs are doing pretty much everything. But the good news is that he let's them do their thing. Not a micro-manager.
(And yes I do know this. Not really speculative.)
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The amount of coin UT is going to spend on this absolute disaster of a coaching search is utterly amazing.
Butch Jones buyout ($8.2 mi)
Schiano settlement (TBD)
Currie buyout ($5.5 mil)
New coach hire (which is increasing by the hour)
New AD hire
It will literally cost UT $20 mil to hire a new football coach, it's eff'in staggering.
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My guess is that they will somehow say that Currie was for cause and make him sue.
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And when they do finally hire a new coach, the situation he will inherit will make success so much more difficult.
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It's like the Hindenburg without people dying. It is kind of glorious to watch from the outside and someday might be turned into an iconic album cover.
The 30 for 30 about this is going to be fantastic.
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My guess is that they will end up with Fulmer as the (interim) AD, who will hire Tee Martin as the coach. Martin is the USC offensive coordinator, and of course former Tennessee QB. But he is woefully short on experience. He'll be pretty cheap though.
I guess Currie had an agreement with Mike Leach in place when this whole thing blew up.
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My guess is that they will end up with Fulmer as the (interim) AD, who will hire Tee Martin as the coach. Martin is the USC offensive coordinator, and of course former Tennessee QB. But he is woefully short on experience. He'll be pretty cheap though.
I guess Currie had an agreement with Mike Leach in place when this whole thing blew up.
What a power-play from Fulmer. Canned from UT 9 years ago, now calling the shots. I agree, Tee Martin seems likely.
Funny thing, I know Leach has baggage, but I think he would have been a nice hire. Especially with how much of a crapshow this search has been.
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My guess is that they will end up with Fulmer as the (interim) AD, who will hire Tee Martin as the coach. Martin is the USC offensive coordinator, and of course former Tennessee QB. But he is woefully short on experience. He'll be pretty cheap though.
I guess Currie had an agreement with Mike Leach in place when this whole thing blew up.
The funny thing is the USC offense this season with "sure fire" and future Brown QB Sam Donaldson was pretty weak. Tee Martin will be a $hitshow of an HC at Tennessee.
After all this, the only power play and real way to fix this is to godfather offer Peyton as the AD
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What a power-play from Fulmer. Canned from UT 9 years ago, now calling the shots. I agree, Tee Martin seems likely.
Funny thing, I know Leach has baggage, but I think he would have been a nice hire. Especially with how much of a crapshow this search has been.
Yup. And the news of this leaking out hurts UT's search in the eyes of other candidates far more than the Schiano mess. Every coach can say "hell, I don't have Schiano baggage" but Leach didn't really do anything wrong, and now looks like an pretty boy for having an agreement in principle to leave his current gig.
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I love the NCAA...Ole Miss getting hammered and Hugh Freeze basically coming out of this mess unscathed is hilarious. College football on and off the field is really the best thing going on in sports.
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The funny thing is the USC offense this season with "sure fire" and future Brown QB Sam Donaldson was pretty weak. Tee Martin will be a $hitshow of an HC at Tennessee.
USC's offense has been inconsistent but it still ranks 13th in the country this season (heading into the Pac-12 title game).
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#JimbosChristmasTree
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#JimbosChristmasTree
I was just about to link to this.
https://twitter.com/WayneMcGaheeIII/status/936648576956092418
Really college football is the quintessential American game. It's tribal. Has too much money involved. Everyone is loud and obnoxious. It is completely inequitable. Yet it somehow works.
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I was just about to link to this.
https://twitter.com/WayneMcGaheeIII/status/936648576956092418
Really college football is the quintessential American game. It's tribal. Has too much money involved. Everyone is loud and obnoxious. It is completely inequitable. Yet it somehow works.
I love not having a specific CFB team to root for, makes it so much fun to watch all of this.
Jimbo leaving on the eve of a make up game, against a cupcake, with the sole purpose of the makeup to get FSU bowl eligible, to go to some terrible bowl game, is just awesome. FSU losing tomorrow would be just the highest of comedy.
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...and they already hired Fulmer as athletic director. Ruthless.
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Aggies land Jimbo Fisher. So we replace one coach who had multiple players with off the field issues with another who had multiple players with off the field issues. Maybe this one will win more games.
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...and they already hired Fulmer as athletic director. Ruthless.
You can't even make this stuff up any more.
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...and they already hired Fulmer as athletic director. Ruthless.
Also, if you're anyone other than Tee Martin, why would you want to work for Fulmer? That guy is heartless and ruthless.
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The funny thing is the USC offense this season with "sure fire" and future Brown QB Sam Donaldson was pretty weak.
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He's 83. How much did you expect?
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Fun watching Tennessee screw their search. Probably the worst case, but we see it with other teams as well.
UW must feel pretty good knowing they probably won't have to worry about a coach for the next 30 years.
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Jimbo Fisher.....5-6 at Florida St, $75 Million from Texas A&M.
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Jimbo Fisher.....5-6 at Florida St, $75 Million from Texas A&M.
The worst part is that is a 10 year contract. TAMU will want to fire him by year 4
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Show of hands...... who had Jeremy Pruitt in the Tennessee betting pool?
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The worst part is that is a 10 year contract. TAMU will want to fire him by year 4
Fisher said in his introductory press conference that he had "always admired the Aggies from afar."
Think he and Crean swapped notes?
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Fisher said in his introductory press conference that he had "always admired the Aggies from afar."
Think he and Crean swapped notes?
You can't get a job at Company X, the leader in its field. But Company Y thinks they are just as good as company X, despite not being at the same level, so they will way overpay people to come work their who would normally be qualified or want to work at Company X, sure Id admire them too (while also thinking their idiots)